Jack White Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Speaking of Betzner, here is an older study I did of his sudden appearance in Zapruder. Here is an older study showing Betzner's quick arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Here is one of my older studies. You nailed it then and now Jack. They should be seen in street in Z and strangely are ???not there??? People are still in the street in Dorman till after the limo and following motorcycles pass, yet street is clear(ing) in Z. Following cycles are very near curb in Z yet in Dorman seem nowhere near curb... am I seeing this correctly? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E66__vymfPA Towner Missing frames http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xtwBULHBFg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 Here is one of my older studies. Jack, I put the square box around RR man. This is a composite with my film. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 Speaking of Betzner, here is an older study I did of his sudden appearance in Zapruder. Betzner on the move. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Speaking of Betzner, here is an older study I did of his sudden appearance in Zapruder. Betzner on the move. chris Chris. It appears to me that Betzner must have had on his light colored jacket during the motorcade. and then later removed it, and carried it in his hand, as seen in the DPD photo. This is the only explanation i can come up with to explain why he appears to have a light colored top in Zapruder. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 Robin, Taking off his jacket is a possibility. How can Betzner take 2 portrait photos when his elbows are in landscape position? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Speaking of Betzner, here is an older study I did of his sudden appearance in Zapruder. Betzner on the move. chris Chris. It appears to me that Betzner must have had on his light colored jacket during the motorcade. and then later removed it, and carried it in his hand, as seen in the DPD photo. This is the only explanation i can come up with to explain why he appears to have a light colored top in Zapruder. ! Take another look at my study and jacket comments. Of course, since the Zfilm is not genuine........... Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 It is worth noting Betzner's affidavit.... Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761 Deposes and says: I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. Trask says it was a small Kodak 120-roll film camera. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) It is worth noting Betzner's affidavit....Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761 Deposes and says: I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. Trask says it was a small Kodak 120-roll film camera. Jack Image should be viewed " full size" to correctly read the text. In Chris's movie this guy appears to be panning his camera to the left following the limo. Edited December 2, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Robin...that is NOT Betzner. I believe it is a running woman. More later. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Robin...that is NOT Betzner. I believe it is a running woman.More later. Jack Betzner must have Man#2 to his left. The running woman does not. Willis stepped into street to shoot Willis5, so he and Betzner were on same line of sight. Jack Edited December 2, 2008 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Robin...that is NOT Betzner. I believe it is a running woman.More later. Jack Betzner must have Man#2 to his left. The running woman does not. Willis stepped into street to shoot Willis5, so he and Betzner were on same line of sight. Jack Hi Jack Yes i agree, Betzner does appear to have been " close" to the sidewalk and behind a man in a suit with a crewcut. Do the shadows on the ground tell us anything, regarding his position at the time of Betzner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Chris. Is the man that jack is calling " Betzner" with the pink looking shirt, the same guy you showed in your GIF jumping down from the wall and walking over to the curb. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 (edited) Jack, The #2 man is two different people. Watch this clip. One moves away from the curb and the other towards it, as he steps in front of Betzner. chris P.S. Can we get back to the Towner film and her positioning? I believe Betzner's photo does play apart in this, but not from this angle. More coming. Edited December 2, 2008 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Chris. I saved a heap of Towner frames from the Groden assassination films. I will go through them later and see what i can find, what specifically are you looking to prove. ? Tina Towners exact position as her film starts. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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