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SUBJECT: Assignment of Highest National Priority to Project Four Leaves.

Could it be this?:

September 25, 1963

Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara and Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Saigon to investigate what effect the political problems in South Vietnam have had on the military situation. They are expected to visit the-country's four military regions. (3:1)

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SUBJECT: Assignment of Highest National Priority to Project Four Leaves.

Could it be this?:

September 25, 1963

Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara and Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Saigon to investigate what effect the political problems in South Vietnam have had on the military situation. They are expected to visit the-country's four military regions. (3:1)

Bill,

I don't think that's it. The Defense Production Act covers a lot of ground, but doesn't pertain to Vietnam per se.

Wikipedia: Defense Production Act

This link provides a little more information:

Defense Production Act of 1950

So just what part of the DPA were they invoking? Something to do with production of something? The phrase "...highest national priority category for development and production" seems to imply a product of some sort. Maybe Agent Orange or some other type of defoliant [hence the word "leaves"]? A Google-type search turns up absolutely NOTHING of value on "Project Four Leaves."

EDIT: Ok, maybe NOT Agent Orange...sources show that was being used in 'Nam as early as '61.

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JFK Calender for September 23, 1963

5:00 - 6:00 p.m.

Meeting with Prince Souvanna Phouma, Prime Minister of Laos

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President Kennedy's Foreword to Special Counsel Theodore Sorensen's book, Decision-Making in the White House, is published.

In a meeting in the White House Cabinet Room President Kennedy reads a statement on the government's manpower utilization program.

President Kennedy meets with a group of civic leaders from the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

President Kennedy meets with a group of clergy from the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

President Kennedy meets with Italian Foreign Minister Attilio Piccioni. They issue a joint statement following their discussions in which they reaffirm "their mutual strong commitment to the related goals of a united and democratic Europe and Atlantic solidarity."

President Kennedy assigns the highest national priority to Project FOUR LEAVES to develop and produce a military communications system.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/White%2BHouse%2B...eptember/23.htm

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JFK Calender for September 23, 1963

5:00 - 6:00 p.m.

Meeting with Prince Souvanna Phouma, Prime Minister of Laos

More Events

President Kennedy's Foreword to Special Counsel Theodore Sorensen's book, Decision-Making in the White House, is published.

In a meeting in the White House Cabinet Room President Kennedy reads a statement on the government's manpower utilization program.

President Kennedy meets with a group of civic leaders from the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

President Kennedy meets with a group of clergy from the city of Birmingham, Alabama.

President Kennedy meets with Italian Foreign Minister Attilio Piccioni. They issue a joint statement following their discussions in which they reaffirm "their mutual strong commitment to the related goals of a united and democratic Europe and Atlantic solidarity."

President Kennedy assigns the highest national priority to Project FOUR LEAVES to develop and produce a military communications system.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/White%2BHouse%2B...eptember/23.htm

Thank you Mark and Robert for taking the time to follow up on this.

Knowing the assigned names to these projects have specific meaning, and the meeting with the group going to Vietnam to check on "the four military zones" in the morning, and issuing the NSAM shortly thereafter, cryptically called the Four Leaves, it appears that they are connected.

Robert gets another feather in his cap, now a vertible war bonnett, for coming up with the reference that "President Kennedy assigns the highest national priority to Project FOUR LEAVES to develop and produce a military communications system."

Why aren't there any other open source references to Four Leaves?

BK

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"The global Internet's progenitor was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) of the U.S. Department of Defense.

...

The history of ARPA leading up to the ARPANET

A climate of pure research surrounded the entire history of the ARPANET. The Advanced Research Projects Agency was formed with an emphasis towards research, and thus was not oriented only to a military product. The formation of this agency was part of the U.S. reaction to the then Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik in 1957. (ARPA draft, III-6). ARPA was assigned to research how to utilize their investment in computers via Command and Control Research (CCR). Dr. J.C.R. Licklider was chosen to head this effort. Licklider came to ARPA from Bolt, Beranek and Newman, (BBN) in Cambridge, MA in October 1962. (ARPA draft, III-6)

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Various research outside of ARPA had been done by Paul Baron, Thomas Marill and others. [This history is covered well in the article "From ARPANET to USENET" by Ronda Hauben..ref] This led Lawrence Roberts and other IPTO staff to formally introduce the topic of networking computers of differing types (incompatible hardware and software) together in order to share resources to the early 1967 meeting of ARPA's Primary Investigators (PI).

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In order to develop this network of varied computers, two main problems had to be solved:

" 1. To construct a 'subnetwork' consisting of telephone circuits and switching nodes whose reliability, delay characteristics, capacity, and cost would facilitate resource sharing among computers on the network.

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ARPA's Program Plan for the ARPANET was titled "Resource Sharing Computer Networks". It was submitted June 3, 1968, and approved by the Director June 21, 1968.

The Completion Report explains that the Program Plan was, "an interesting document. The stated objectives of the program were to develop experience in interconnection computers and to improve and increase computer research productivity through resource sharing. Technical needs in scientific and military environments were cited as justification for the program objectives. .."

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Thanks for your comments Robert, Mark, John and Charles, but don't you think it curious that the President of the United States could issue a National Security Action Memorandum on a topic that isn't even discussed in public, anywhere?

At this cold war communications group, someone suggests that the NSAM actually refers to Project Falling Leaves, rather than Four Leaves, and they make a strong case for it, but....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coldwarcomms/message/7124

I don't think Bundy or JFK would allow Mrs. Lincoln, God bless her, to type in Four Leaves when they are talking about Falling Leaves, though it does sound like a plausible audio miss-read.

That's not like Bundy however, to allow a secretarial or typographical mistake go through, especially on something as critical as a National Security Action Memo, and especially something that is requiring such a national priority.

Falling Leaves was a Cuban Missile Crisis era project, a year previous, and it was a radar not a communications program.

Other NSAMs are written in related seqences, sometimes issued immediately after a National Security Council meeting, so there should be a relationship between the reported subject of the memo (military communications) and what was being discussed at meetings that day or the day previous - September 24, 1963.

Of course this is the day Oswald leaves New Orleans for Mexico City, and the day before Des Fitz briefs the JCS on Cuban operations and mentions the Valkarie plot.

It is also the day Gen. Taylor, chairman of JCS and others leave on a Vietnam tour of "the four military districts," hence my hunch they called it Four Leaves.

But that doesn't hold too much water either, and I suspect that Four Leaves is a separate project that we will still have to figure out what it is.

Is it related to Pendilum?

And is the NSAM the letter from Bundy that was delivered to the JCS by Gilpatrick and orally read to them before being given back to Gilpatrick? Gilpatrick is the one who issued the orders to create the NRO.

And John, I don't think it has anything to do with the internet, though maybe the Advanced Projects group, and possibly the earlier NSAM on a natonal communications system, and of course, Collins Radio. My personal feeling, at this point, is that Four Leaves is about military communications satalites.

There's a reference to Project Four Leaves in Scott D. Sagan's 1993 book "The Limits of Safety" on military nuke accidents.

I'm sure the people at the JFK Library, who declassified it, and others have also noticed the lack of any other reference to Project Four Leaves.

Are there any other possibilities?

BK

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Well, it does in a way. The internet did develop out of the military net that scientist recognised as a way of transmitting data and speeding up research. When it became wide open, the military shifted to a new 'intranet'. The protocols that leads to tcp/ip was a development that involved scientists and gifted students (often californian 'nerds') from early on, has a history bound up with ARPA NET and its search for a suitable protocol. By mid seventies* a computer was a 'standard issue' to operatives ( eg. Bruce Jones in Costa Rica. A computer on top of a stack of Soldiers of Fortune Mags photo in magazine article 1975*).

Pehraps in the early (from 1957 on) progenitors there are names of persons of interest. (Clover is simply a De Bonoesque speculation).

EDIT: *correction eighties, 1985.

re Roberts post below : this triggers off a speculation, Holmes said he was in constant communication with his superior in Washington post assassination while others report a blackout. This may lead to credence to previous unconfirmed post by Peter that Holmes was named by source, wishing to maintain anonymity, as being ONI et.c..

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Well, it does in a way. The internet did develop out of the military net that scientist recognised as a way of transmitting data and speeding up research. When it became wide open, the military shifted to a new 'intranet'. The protocols that leads to tcp/ip was a development that involved scientists and gifted students (often californian 'nerds') from early on, has a history bound up with ARPA NET and its search for a suitable protocol. By mid seventies a computer was a 'standard issue' to operatives ( eg. Bruce Jones in Costa Rica. A computer on top of a stack of Soldiers of Fortune Mags photo in magazine article 1975).

Pehraps in the early (from 1957 on) progenitors there are names of persons of interest. (Clover is simply a De Bonoesque speculation).

There is a possibility of a less sinister explanation, that Four Leaves was simply a project that JFK initiated the never reached fruition because of the impending events in Dallas.

Having said that there is another point that should be made and that is that "Four Leaves" might possibly have been JFK's idea of a communication system in which very secretive communications amongst our military/Pentagon etc., would have not been secret even to the President himself, a suggestion, I admit is sheerly of a speculative nature.......

Reasoning behind such a sinister idea would be the point that is addressed by the question.

Was JFK aware before he died of individuals like Eugene Dinkin who was frantically trying to alert someone that Kennedy was about to be assassinated?

Curiously, confirmation of Dinkin's crypto clearance was provided by Lt. Colonel John C. Lipincott of the Pentagon's Legislative Liason Office, according to Exhibit B Dinkin lawsuit February 10, 1964 letter from John C. Lipincott to Honorable Sen. Everett McKinley Dirksen U.S. Senate

See

footnote citation #32 ref. page 349 The Man Who Knew Too Much 2003 edition

Arguments to the contrary, would no doubt cite the NSA Reports to the President as precluding the need for such an idea, but if Kennedy had individuals around him aware of what was about to happen to him, that would have been rendered as about as useless as Dinkin's efforts to alert someone, proved to be in the first place.

Like Caesar he is surrounded by enemies?

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As with John, the term "four leaves" suggests in my mind, by simple association, the term "clover."

And then there's that other definition of "leave," which is "to depart." In "Four Leaves," I can figure out leaving Vietnam...and Cuba...but not necessarily two other locales in the 1963 timeframe.

Just brainstorming...since I've come up emptyhanded searching otherwise 'round and about the 'net.

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As with John, the term "four leaves" suggests in my mind, by simple association, the term "clover."

And then there's that other definition of "leave," which is "to depart." In "Four Leaves," I can figure out leaving Vietnam...and Cuba...but not necessarily two other locales in the 1963 timeframe.

Just brainstorming...since I've come up emptyhanded searching otherwise 'round and about the 'net.

Brainstorming has its place. It doesn't have to lead anywhere in particular but can do so indirectly which in turn may or may not do the same.. The four leaf clover? Three, yes, but ever chasing the Shamrock? (One can make a convincing enugh four leaf clover out of a couple of three leaves (convincing enough to make the other kids go wow. (Of course this is only after a fruitless search that is at least made funny (or it seemed so at the time...))).

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St. Patrick's Shamrock was a three leaf-clover to designate the trinity.

He used the three leaf shamrock to explain the trinity to the Irish pagans.

I think the answer to the question is in the make up of previous NSAM concerning military communications, and the most recent National Security Council meeting before it was issued - prior to Sept. 24, 1963, and what was discussed.

The idea that the president of the USA issued a National Security Action Memo on a secret topic that was not only kept out of the media at the time, but remains unknown forty five years later, is quite astounding, in my opinion.

I think it does have something to do with the letter from Bundy and delivered by Gilpatrick that was orally read to the Joint Chiefs of Staff the following day, as mentioned in the Higgins memo of Sept. 25.

BK

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JFK, in recognition of the treason around him at the highest levels, sets up a ... what's the word ... private executive communications system and restricts access (which is to say, acknowledges it for tactical reasons)???

Bill wrote

I think it does have something to do with the letter from Bundy and delivered by Gilpatrick that was orally read to the Joint Chiefs of Staff the following day, as mentioned in the Higgins memo of Sept. 25.

BK

Citing the document and locating it seems to be the problematic part of it....

Maryferrell has a very extensive collection of JCS/Califano-Cuba/OPLAN-34 Papers. The JCS/Califano papers are subdivided into the Wheeler/Taylor/Lemnitzer papers, and there are SACSA papers.....

I have been perusing NARA and MFF without any success, but I did run across something that involved secured radio communications, but it was in relation to radio frequencies that were secure, as in radio frequencies secure from being jammed by Cuba, I tend to agree with Bill, in his perception of what the memo states, the problem is at NARA the only Gilpatrick/Bundy memos I found were dated January 10, 1963, which presents a problem since the document in question would have to have been on or no earlier than 9/25/1963.

There are 3 of the January 10, 1963 Gilpatrick Bundy memo's

one of them is reproduced below:

AGENCY : ARMY

RECORD NUMBER : 198-10008-10111

RECORDS SERIES : CALIFANO PAPERS

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : OSD

FROM : ROSWELL GILPATRIC

TO : MR. MCGEORGE BUNDY

TITLE : INTERDEPARTMENTAL ORGANIZATION FOR CUBAN AFFAIRS

DATE : 01/10/1963

PAGES : 1

DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

SUBJECTS : POLICY AND PLANNING, CUBA; INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMITTEE

ON CUBA PERSONNEL; NSAM NO. 213

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 05/01/1998

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