Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Last Pigeonhole.http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/galle...10001/14219.jpg Which photo, not unlike many others, continues to shed light on the subject matter. Especially when one can again make out the first twoyellow curb markings. And, just of interest, would that be a "construction joint" in the concrete curb located approximately 5-feet prior to the second yellow marking? Which would place it almost exactly where James Altgens was standing. Perhaps we should begin a topic entitled "Understanding Altgens" and move it to there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/galle...&fullsize=1 http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z064.jpg Perhaps this will assist in either "un-confusing" the matter! Or adding more confusion! Especially if, on the SS photo, one compares the two circled areas with corresponding areas on the Zapruder film. Item further explained: The Post v. Window location in the far background, as well as the length of the road stripe. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z064.jpg For those who fail to understand this enigma! How is it that the SS photo can be taken from a position which is demonstratably to the left of that position occupied by Abraham Zapruder, yet, the lamp post have the exact same alignment with background items in both photographs. And, neither of these alignments demonstrates a background position where Wilma Bond purportedly was located? And, especially since if anything, the lamp post should appear to "move left" in alignment with background items as the camera pans right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Tom, This might help in pinpointing a filming location for you. X marks the spot. The re-creation crew on the pedestal makes it look rather convincing. chris Edited January 14, 2009 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Chris...I do not understand your graphic. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Chris...I do not understand your graphic.Jack Jack, The Z pedestal is to the east/left of the tree. The re-creation cannot be shot from the Z pedestal because the "top of the tree" appears as they are filming Eastward up Elm and the lightpost is captured. The lightpole LOS in the recreation and Z are not even close. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Chris...I do not understand your graphic.Jack Jack, The Z pedestal is to the east/left of the tree. The re-creation cannot be shot from the Z pedestal because the "top of the tree" appears as they are filming Eastward up Elm and the lightpost is captured. The lightpole LOS in the recreation and Z are not even close. chris Thanks Chris. I see what you mean, in order to capture the top of the tree in the photo, the SS camera location needed to have been behind the tree. Obviously, not even close to Zapruders pedestal filming location. Edited January 14, 2009 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 It would appear that my presence may no longer be required, as no matter how "slight" the "sleight-of-hand", others now know where to look. P.S. At least some of the WC re-enactment photo's were actually taken from the Zaprudrer pedestal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Chris...I do not understand your graphic.Jack Jack, The Z pedestal is to the east/left of the tree. The re-creation cannot be shot from the Z pedestal because the "top of the tree" appears as they are filming Eastward up Elm and the lightpost is captured. The lightpole LOS in the recreation and Z are not even close. chris http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol17_0447a.htm http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=32 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=34 So! From Z208 to Z222, was the Presidential Limo travelling at: 1. 16.323 mph 2. 19.062 mph (Altered Z208/(210) to Z222) 3. Neither of the above! Now! Exactly WHO??? could have been behind such manipulations? http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/shaneyf2.htm Mr. SHANEYFELT. No; this is a sign between the cameraman and the President. So that we are unable to see his reaction, if any. Mr. SPECTER. What is the frame at which Governor Connally first emerges from behind the sign you just decribed? Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is frame 222. Mr. SPECTER. Have you prepared a model demonstration on frame 222? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; I have. Mr. SPECTER. What Commission Exhibit number has just been affixed on that frame? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Frame 222 has been given Commission Exhibit No. 894. Mr. SPECTER. Was the location of the automobile fixed from the window or from the street on frame 222? Mr. SHANEYFELT. On frame 222, the position of the automobile was fixed from the street, based on the photograph from the Zapruder film. http://www.jfk-online.com/shaneyfeltshaw.html Q: In other words, am I correct in stating you did the basic -- you did basically the photographic work and Mr. Frazier did the ballistics work? A: Yes. Q: From your examination of the Zapruder film and the work you did at Dealey Plaza were you able to ascertain the average speed of the Presidential limousine, the President's limousine, while it was on Elm Street? A: Yes. The average speed was ascertained in one specific -- MR. DYMOND: We object unless this witness ascertained the speed of it. Q: How did you go about this, sir, what was the result of your examination? A: This complete finding was based on a determination first of the average speed of the Zapruder camera, and a determination of the speed with which the sequence of events took place based on the speed of the camera, then during the re-enactment, measurements were made on Elm Street from the specific frame numbers, once they were ascertained, and I took the frame, the frames from Frame 161 to Frame 313 and determined -- it took the distance, computed this base don the number of frames involved, the speed at which the Zapruder camera operated, found that the average speed over that period as between 161, Frame 161 and Frame 313 was 11.2 miles per hour. TIME OUT! http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol17_0464b.htm http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol17_0464b.htm Since neither Z161 nor Z166 were surveyed in, methinks a "culprit" has been found who in addition to having access to ALL photographic evidence, also had considerable background and training in the photographic process. About the only question being, is anyone here sufficiently smart enough to figure out exactly what Shaneyfelt was up to and how he may have pulled it off?????? Mr. SPECTER. I ask you to state what that album depicts. Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is an album that I prepared of black and white photographs made of the majority of the frames in the Zapruder film---- Mr. SPECTER. Starting with what frame number? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Starting with frame 171, going through frame 334. Mr. SPECTER. And why did you start with frame 171? Mr. SHANEYFELT. This is the frame that the slides start from. This was an arbitrary frame number that was decided on as being far enough back to include the area that we wanted to study. Mr. SPECTER. Is that a frame where President Kennedy comes into full view after the motorcade turns left off of Houston onto Elm Street? Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes, yes. Mr. SPECTER. And how was the ending point of that frame sequence, being No. 334, fixed? Mr. SHANEYFELT. It was fixed as several frames past the shot that hit the President in the head. Frame 313 is the frame showing the shot to the President's head, and it ends at 334. =================================================== Well then Mr. Shaneyfelt. In event that you were of the opinion that there was nothing of relevance past Z334, perhaps the reading public would be interested in exactly why: You measured the EXACT position of James Altgens location which also happened to be located exactly at the curb construction joint which happens to be located exactly 5-feet from the second yellow curb marking, as well as drawing in the line-of-sight from Zapruder's position to shot#3 located in the street directly in front of James Altgens, and this line-of-sight continuation to the yellow curb marking. Certainly makes me think that something past Z334 may have been of relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) SS recreation showing the "curves in the road" on Elm st. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/galle...b_underpass.jpg Edited January 14, 2009 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 It would appear that my presence may no longer be required, as no matter how "slight" the "sleight-of-hand", others now know where to look. Don't hit the exit doors yet, Tom. Adding to your reference on the lane divider/Stemmons sign situation, I thought another visual might help. Using the 3 red arrows as targets (lightpole, tree and curb) besides the white lane divider stripes, sorry didn't red arrow that one, here is a comparison of Stemmon sign positioning between a valid photo (SS) and the invalid Zfilm. The SS photo, in comparison to film footage I took from the pedestal, appears to be valid. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Whereas this: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z064.jpg and this: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg Were clearly taken from virtually the same exact position of alignment, then one can safely state that Zapruder was up on the pedestal as he filmed, prior to the Presidential Limo coming into view, as well as later, when JFK and the Presidential Limo came into view. Point#1: The position/location/filming alignment of Abraham Zapruder remained relatively constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Whereas this: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z064.jpg and this: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg Were clearly taken from virtually the same exact position of alignment, then one can safely state that Zapruder was up on the pedestal as he filmed, prior to the Presidential Limo coming into view, as well as later, when JFK and the Presidential Limo came into view. Point#1: The position/location/filming alignment of Abraham Zapruder remained relatively constant. =================================================================== Point#2 being: Just as with the Zapruder position, it is equally simple to demonstrate that the SS re-enactment photo, absolutely had to be taken from a line-of-sight/position location which was demonstratably to the left of the actual Zapruder position. Due to the distance involved and the amount of "shift" in background alignments, this position was clearly several feet to the left of the Zapruder position, as is also obvious when one looks at the edge of the roadsign and the amount of the road striping which appears in the SS photo as compared with the Zapruder photo. ==================================================================== Point#3: This "leftward" shift also becomes obvious when one compares the tree limbs of the live oak tree in the background of the two photographs. And, it is of course further evident when one compares the vertical alignment of the left sign post with those background items directly along an extended vertical line. And, although demonstrating the slightly leftward shift, comparison of the location of the tree limbs against the background wall also demonstrates that the Zapruder camera and the SS re-enactment camera were held at virtually the exact same elevation during the photography. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z214.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 18, 2009 Author Share Posted January 18, 2009 Whereas this:http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z064.jpg and this: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg Were clearly taken from virtually the same exact position of alignment, then one can safely state that Zapruder was up on the pedestal as he filmed, prior to the Presidential Limo coming into view, as well as later, when JFK and the Presidential Limo came into view. Point#1: The position/location/filming alignment of Abraham Zapruder remained relatively constant. =================================================================== Point#2 being: Just as with the Zapruder position, it is equally simple to demonstrate that the SS re-enactment photo, absolutely had to be taken from a line-of-sight/position location which was demonstratably to the left of the actual Zapruder position. Due to the distance involved and the amount of "shift" in background alignments, this position was clearly several feet to the left of the Zapruder position, as is also obvious when one looks at the edge of the roadsign and the amount of the road striping which appears in the SS photo as compared with the Zapruder photo. ==================================================================== Point#3: This "leftward" shift also becomes obvious when one compares the tree limbs of the live oak tree in the background of the two photographs. And, it is of course further evident when one compares the vertical alignment of the left sign post with those background items directly along an extended vertical line. And, although demonstrating the slightly leftward shift, comparison of the location of the tree limbs against the background wall also demonstrates that the Zapruder camera and the SS re-enactment camera were held at virtually the exact same elevation during the photography. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z214.jpg http://archive.bigben.id.au/tutorials/360/photo/nodal.html With that drawing which represents the "camera & nodal point", one would almost think this topic was written specifically for the Zapruder Pedestal and these topics. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z262.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z277.jpg Most interesting that Abraham Zapruder, along with his other mystical abilities related to filming, was also capable of maintaining a virtually EXACT nodal point rotation axis while panning and filming with his camera. A feat which requires a tripod for the great majority of the human species. "Rotation Axis At Nodal Point" See Bond Photo's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted January 18, 2009 Author Share Posted January 18, 2009 http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/gallery/thumbnails.php http://www.panoguide.com/howto/panoramas/parallax.jsp How to avoid parallax If everything in the scene is approximately the same distance from the lens, or very far away, the parallax effect will be elminated or at least minimized. This is why hand-held panoramas from a mountain top tend to work quite well - everything is far away from the camera, and because the distances are very large compared to the tiny distance between the nodal point and the point of rotation, parallax is negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Frames extracted from 3 different (on pedestal) filming sequences. Each sequence was from the Elm St. corner to the triple underpass. Sprocket holes show the difference in camera position. Animation and individual frames provided. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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