William Kelly Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hello All,I found this page on the Merry Ferrell page, it has Joe O'Donnell stating he removed 10 feet of the original Zapruder film under the request of Jacqueline Kennedy!!! Fabrication or Truth? http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=432 Hey Wade, Joe O'D's recollections are interesting indeed. And Jackie did affirm that she was chasing a piece of JFK's scull, like the Harper fragment, that blew out the back of JFK's head, indicating a shot from the front. In addition, Joe gives us the names of other witnesses -Oliver Pfeiffer, Frank Warner, Joe Pinto of USIA, "Knute" Knudsen, and "Atkins" a Navy motion picture specialist. In addition, his recollections of a 16 mm film are noted, and the descritpions of the two sets of photos Knudsen had, which are discussed in detail in IARRB. Apparently one official Navy photographer was used to photo aspects of the autopsy, most of which are no longer available, and Knudsen was brought in after the autopsy was over to unofficially photo the pre and post reconstruction. There are those who want to argue over the anomilies in the timing and the content of the film, and then there are those who are interested in following the chain of possession of the hard, celluloid film, and what became of it. The questions on my table are 1) If Wind up cameras cannot be reliably timed, as all are uniquely different and wound up at different degrees, (as former NPIC director Dino Brugioni attests), then the Zfilm cannot be used for accurately timing anything; and 2) why are there two different descriptions of the "original" film as seen by technicians at NPIC, both said to be, but can not be originals? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 the unimpeachable fact that there was a 3"+ fabric fold on JFK's back in Betzner elevated ABOVE the bottom of his jacket collar. Craig I just read the thread that you and Cliff went at it in about the Croft and Betzner fold I have a question for you How did you come up with 3+ Inches of fabric fold? Im just curious because you jumped all over me for coming up with the untrimmed Pyracantha branches being a foot or more in length What did you do to come up with 3+ inches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 the unimpeachable fact that there was a 3"+ fabric fold on JFK's back in Betzner elevated ABOVE the bottom of his jacket collar. Craig I just read the thread that you and Cliff went at it in about the Croft and Betzner fold I have a question for you How did you come up with 3+ Inches of fabric fold? Im just curious because you jumped all over me for coming up with the untrimmed Pyracantha branches being a foot or more in length What did you do to come up with 3+ inches? Simple. The fold covers the jacket collar. The jacket collar is 1.25 inches. The fabric in a fold is double the fold height, with a sharp crease. That equals a 2.5 inch piece of fabric. The fold in JFK's jacket did NOT have a sharp crease but rather a rounded crease. My tests with fabric folds showed, on average, the rounded crease added 1/2 inch of fabric. 2.5 inches plus .5 inch equals 3 inches. That is the minimum fabric in the fold, since we can't see how much ABOVE the top of the jacket collar the fold extends. Any extension adds to the amount of fabric in the fold, thus the 3 "PLUS" inches of fabric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 the unimpeachable fact that there was a 3"+ fabric fold on JFK's back in Betzner elevated ABOVE the bottom of his jacket collar. Craig I just read the thread that you and Cliff went at it in about the Croft and Betzner fold I have a question for you How did you come up with 3+ Inches of fabric fold? Im just curious because you jumped all over me for coming up with the untrimmed Pyracantha branches being a foot or more in length What did you do to come up with 3+ inches? Simple. The fold covers the jacket collar. The jacket collar is 1.25 inches. The fabric in a fold is double the fold height, with a sharp crease. That equals a 2.5 inch piece of fabric. The fold in JFK's jacket did NOT have a sharp crease but rather a rounded crease. My tests with fabric folds showed, on average, the rounded crease added 1/2 inch of fabric. 2.5 inches plus .5 inch equals 3 inches. That is the minimum fabric in the fold, since we can't see how much ABOVE the top of the jacket collar the fold extends. Any extension adds to the amount of fabric in the fold, thus the 3 "PLUS" inches of fabric. Wow, very nice Good job on researching that Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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