Why Tink and I love Jim and Jack

[Pat Speer]

Pat, sometimes I worry about you. Don't you have HOAX (2003)? If you are serious about these things, then you have to have the best studies of the subjects that interest you the most. I published good-quality images of frame 374 in HOAX but I also have it in my chapter, "Dealey Plaza Revisited", which you can find on my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com or can download to study from http://www.und.edu/org/jfkconference/ It will take you about five minutes to download and then (possibly) we will be able to understand one another better. Egad! I don't even know if you have read MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000)! The "blob" is the bulging out of brains to the right front, not the skull flap. Go back to the HSCA photo and Ida Dox diagram, where the skull flap is shown. The "blob" is not. In frame 374, the blow-out to the back of the head is visible AND so is the skull flap, but the "blob" is not. The fact that the blow-out at the back of the head is visible in frame 374 is already proof of the blackening out of the wound in earlier frames. When the film was recreated, they overlooked that you can actually see the blow out in later frames. And of course you need to obtain INSIDE THE ARRB (2009), especially Vol. IV.

You say, Wait. I thought the eight experts said they thought the back of the head had been painted in. Now you have them agreeing with your opinion there's a blow-out on the back of the head in 374 that isn't seen earlier, etc. Is there a list of all their findings? Can you post a quality version of 374 showing this blow-out? I don't know if they have even seen frame 374, Pat. But they have seen loads of other frames where the wound that is visible in 374 has been painted over in black. The "blob" can be seen across a lengthy series of frames, from 314 to 327, for example, and can be seen in frame 323, where (Jack and John and David M. and David L. could say more) you appear to be confounding the "blob" and the skull flap, where the "blob" is painted in but the skull flap is real. The "blob" was added to these frames to create the impression that he had been shot from behind, where a high-velocity missile would (with high probability) have brought about a blow-out to the right front, which it represents. (I should probably add that there is a white piece of something that moves across some frames in the background that has, on occasion, been referred to as a "blob". But that is not what I am talking about. It is the bulging out of brains to the right front that appears across the series of frames, where you are conflating the skull flap, which is real, with the "blob", which is not.)

It is one part of a four-way mutually-supporting deception involving the missing mass to the right-front of the skull X-rays, the caption in LIFE that accompanies the publication of frame 313, and Zapruder's television appearance that evening, where he used his right hand to illustrate the bulging out to the right-front, which actually did not occur. We know that from eyewitness reports of the blow out to the back of the head, which was attested to by more than 40 witnesses; from Jackie's testimony that, from the front, he looked just fine; and from the doctors non-observation of any blow-out at that location--apart from the skull flap, which, when it was blown open, briefly exposed his brains and damaged his right ear. It was the observation of this phenomenon by the Newmans, who apparently did not see the blow out of brains to the left rear, that has captivated your attention. But of course there was no blow-out to the right front, even though there was damage to the side of the head, where the skull flap was created when the frangible bullet exploded. Does any of this make sense to you? Let me know. Sometimes I think we are connecting, other times I am at a complete loss. This is one of those.

Jim, I included Z-323 in my last post. You insist there is a white blob of bulging brain in Z-14 to Z-327. That means there is one in this image. I don't see it. I see the skull flap, and a shadow made by this flap on the right side of Kennedy's head. Can you show me what you take to be a "blob" as opposed to a skull flap?

You also say there is a blow-out visible in 374. I don't currently have access to a copy of Hoax. I did look at this frame on the MPI DVD, however, and saw no such blow-out. Do you have a version of 374 with an arrow pointing to the blow-out?

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Thanks, Jack. This is a point worth clarifying. In the Ida Dox drawing and

photograph for the HSCA, a bone flap is visible. Tom Robinson described it

his interview with Joe West. I have asked David Mantik about it and he has

confirmed that there was such a skull flap. It appears to have been blown

open when the frangible bullet exploded and then closed back up. That is

my best explanation for the reports by the Newmans and others that the

side of his face was blown open. It apparently was--but only momentarily.

As for the "blob", I have been using that term to designate the painted-in

image of brains being blown out to the right-front. I agree completely it

is not just an artifact but a fabrication that was painted into the film as

part of a mutually reinforcing deception involving (a) the painted "blob",

( the missing mass on the right-front of the X-rays, © the caption in

LIFE accompanying frame 313, and (d) Zapruder's appearance on TV in

which he put his right hand to his right forehead to illustrate a blow out

that, in fact, did not occur, which we know from many different sources.

In some frames, of course, there is a white object in the backgroun that

seems to be blowing in the wind. I think you have speculated it might be

a piece of paper from the backing of one of Mary's Polaroids, but whatever

it is, it is distinct from and not a part of the fabrication of the fiim--unless,

by inadvertence, it was introduced there. So I want to be sure that we do

not confound the real "blob" (by whatever color) with this floating "blob",

which, unlike the real (that is, painted in) "blob", has no intrinsic interest.

Jim and I seem to have a slight disagreement about what constitutes THE BLOB.

I think I can take credit for the name, since I first started using it in slide lectures

in the 1980s, using Groden Z slide frames. Groden's slides showed it as a WHITE

"blob" on the right side of JFK's head which changed size and shape from frame

to frame. I referred to the artifact as "the blob".

I have always contended that there was NO BLOWOUT OF THE RIGHT TEMPLE

and that the blob was painted in.

Jim has now said that "the blob" is brains bulging out, but he agrees that the

"white thing" represents the "bone flap". I think that the bone flap was created

by the SURGERY TO THE SKULL of Lifton and Horne...at a later time than Dealey

Plaza. Even if the Z film were real, there would be no BONE FLAP, since IT DID

NOT OCCUR IN THE PLAZA. Since I believe that the blob is one of the artifacts

of alteration, I do not understand Jim saying it is some sort of real effect. Or

perhaps I have misunderstood him.

I believe, as I have since the 1980s, that ANY DEFECT of the right temple is

an alteration and does not represent a bone flap OR brains bulging out.

Perhaps Jim can clarify or reconcile our differing opinions.

Jack

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

I published good-quality images of frame 374 in HOAX but I also have it in my chapter, "Dealey Plaza Revisited", which you can find on my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com or can download to study from http://www.und.edu/org/jfkconference/ It will take you about five minutes to download and then (possibly) we will be able to understand one another better. I also have the Ida Dox drawing and HSCA photograph there. Download it from one of the sources, take a look at what I am talking about and we can discuss it further.

Pat, sometimes I worry about you. Don't you have HOAX (2003)? If you are serious about these things, then you have to have the best studies of the subjects that interest you the most. I published good-quality images of frame 374 in HOAX but I also have it in my chapter, "Dealey Plaza Revisited", which you can find on my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com or can download to study from http://www.und.edu/org/jfkconference/ It will take you about five minutes to download and then (possibly) we will be able to understand one another better. Egad! I don't even know if you have read MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000)! The "blob" is the bulging out of brains to the right front, not the skull flap. Go back to the HSCA photo and Ida Dox diagram, where the skull flap is shown. The "blob" is not. In frame 374, the blow-out to the back of the head is visible AND so is the skull flap, but the "blob" is not. The fact that the blow-out at the back of the head is visible in frame 374 is already proof of the blackening out of the wound in earlier frames. When the film was recreated, they overlooked that you can actually see the blow out in later frames. And of course you need to obtain INSIDE THE ARRB (2009), especially Vol. IV.

You say, Wait. I thought the eight experts said they thought the back of the head had been painted in. Now you have them agreeing with your opinion there's a blow-out on the back of the head in 374 that isn't seen earlier, etc. Is there a list of all their findings? Can you post a quality version of 374 showing this blow-out? I don't know if they have even seen frame 374, Pat. But they have seen loads of other frames where the wound that is visible in 374 has been painted over in black. The "blob" can be seen across a lengthy series of frames, from 314 to 327, for example, and can be seen in frame 323, where (Jack and John and David M. and David L. could say more) you appear to be confounding the "blob" and the skull flap, where the "blob" is painted in but the skull flap is real. The "blob" was added to these frames to create the impression that he had been shot from behind, where a high-velocity missile would (with high probability) have brought about a blow-out to the right front, which it represents. (I should probably add that there is a white piece of something that moves across some frames in the background that has, on occasion, been referred to as a "blob". But that is not what I am talking about. It is the bulging out of brains to the right front that appears across the series of frames, where you are conflating the skull flap, which is real, with the "blob", which is not.)

It is one part of a four-way mutually-supporting deception involving the missing mass to the right-front of the skull X-rays, the caption in LIFE that accompanies the publication of frame 313, and Zapruder's television appearance that evening, where he used his right hand to illustrate the bulging out to the right-front, which actually did not occur. We know that from eyewitness reports of the blow out to the back of the head, which was attested to by more than 40 witnesses; from Jackie's testimony that, from the front, he looked just fine; and from the doctors non-observation of any blow-out at that location--apart from the skull flap, which, when it was blown open, briefly exposed his brains and damaged his right ear. It was the observation of this phenomenon by the Newmans, who apparently did not see the blow out of brains to the left rear, that has captivated your attention. But of course there was no blow-out to the right front, even though there was damage to the side of the head, where the skull flap was created when the frangible bullet exploded. Does any of this make sense to you? Let me know. Sometimes I think we are connecting, other times I am at a complete loss. This is one of those.

Jim, I included Z-323 in my last post. You insist there is a white blob of bulging brain in Z-14 to Z-327. That means there is one in this image. I don't see it. I see the skull flap, and a shadow made by this flap on the right side of Kennedy's head. Can you show me what you take to be a "blob" as opposed to a skull flap?

You also say there is a blow-out visible in 374. I don't currently have access to a copy of Hoax. I did look at this frame on the MPI DVD, however, and saw no such blow-out. Do you have a version of 374 with an arrow pointing to the blow-out?

Edited January 11, 2010 by James H. Fetzer

[Josiah Thompson]

Fascinating Pat. Can one follow the opening in JFK's skull over several frames and, as it were, plot the process of skull opening? Looking a bit later, say subsequent to Z 330, do you find the appearance of the skull wound significantly different than it appears at say Z 321 or Z323? I ask this because it is possible that JFK was hit in the skull from behind in the interval. What do you think?

Josiah Thompson

There are other inconsistencies that are internal to the frames of the film that show the "blob" is an artifact and that the back of the head has been painted over in black. I have already pointed out that frame 374, for example, shows the blow-out to the back of the head and the skull flap that Tom Robinson described. And, when frames 456 and 466 are viewed in the 6k version, a wound behind the right ear is visible, but no large blow-out of the right-front. That is a perfect example of how experiments like this one can reveal details that are not obvious without gaining greater access to its contents, as the 6k has done. And, as Doug has explained, the absence of the large frontal wound in these frames -- even apart from Jackie's testimony, the medical evidence, and more than 40 witnesses reports -- is an additional proof that the large frontal wound seen in frames 314 through 327 is a fabrication. It can't be present in those frames but missing from later ones. The beauty of these proofs is that they are simple and direct -- and have been confirmed by eight experts on film and David Mantik, too!

Wait. I thought the eight experts said they thought the back of the head had been painted in. Now you have them agreeing with your opinion there's a blow-out on the back of the head in 374 that isn't seen earlier, etc. Is there a list of all their findings? Can you post a quality version of 374 showing this blow-out?

And, I hesitate to ask, can you post an image of the "blob"? I assumed your references to the "blob" were to the orange blob in the degraded versions of Z-313. Now Jack says it's a white blob. Is it seen in the frame below?

Because I don't see a "blob"; I see the underside of a piece of skull broken and flipped forward and still hanging by a thread of scalp on the side of Kennedy's head. The shape of this skull fragment, moreover, matches precisely the shape of the fragment shown in the right lateral autopsy photo.

From patspeer.com chapter 18:

Another aspect of the medical evidence which has convinced many of fakery or deception is the “wing” of bone visible in the autopsy photos. It seemed to move from photo to photo and change shape. After much thought, however, I developed an explanation for these changes.

When one looks at the Zapruder film, one can’t help but notice the large opening on Kennedy’s skull apparent in the frames after 313. This opening appears to begin just in front of his ear. When one looks at the right lateral autopsy photo one sees exposed bone behind his ear, however, and in a location where there was reportedly no missing bone or scalp. This is a clear indication that this bone was dislodged from someplace else. And yet it’s still attached to scalp. After some consideration I realized that when the scalp exploded downwards in frame 313 the skull bones that were attached to the scalp were suddenly upside down, and began to peel away from the scalp from the bottom (which was formally the top) down. The large fragment found on the floor of the limo by Sam Kinney peeled all the way and fell to the floor. It can be seen flying downwards in the frames after 313. A section of bone lower down on Kennedy’s skull, possibly including his sphenoid bone, didn’t finish peeling away from the scalp, however. It was left dangling by a thread. The shape of this bone can be seen in shadow in frame 323. When Jackie Kennedy tried to close her husband’s head wound, she failed to flip this “wing” of bone back around to match up with the scalp, and left this “wing” dangling back behind Kennedy’s ear. This is apparent in the right almost-lateral autopsy photo. Not surprisingly, the shape of this wing matches the shape of the shadow in frame 323.

When one looks at the back of the head photo, obviously taken a few minutes later, as Kennedy is now lying on his side, one can see that the “wing” of bone has suddenly changed. It is now far forward of the ear and of different proportions. I believe this is because it’s no longer a “wing” of bone, but a “wing” of scalp, the stubborn scalp that held the wing in place for so long. The dimensions of this scalp flap can be seen in frame 337. Possibly the wing fell off when the doctors moved Kennedy onto his side or possibly they removed it deliberately to better observe the large defect.

[Jack White]

Thanks, Jack. This is a point worth clarifying. In the Ida Dox drawing and

photograph for the HSCA, a bone flap is visible. Tom Robinson described it

his interview with Joe West. I have asked David Mantik about it and he has

confirmed that there was such a skull flap. It appears to have been blown

open when the frangible bullet exploded and then closed back up. That is

my best explanation for the reports by the Newmans and others that the

side of his face was blown open. It apparently was--but only momentarily.

As for the "blob", I have been using that term to designate the painted-in

image of brains being blown out to the right-front. I agree completely it

is not just an artifact but a fabrication that was painted into the film as

part of a mutually reinforcing deception involving (a) the painted "blob",

( the missing mass on the right-front of the X-rays, © the caption in

LIFE accompanying frame 313, and (d) Zapruder's appearance on TV in

which he put his right hand to his right forehead to illustrate a blow out

that, in fact, did not occur, which we know from many different sources.

In some frames, of course, there is a white object in the backgroun that

seems to be blowing in the wind. I think you have speculated it might be

a piece of paper from the backing of one of Mary's Polaroids, but whatever

it is, it is distinct from and not a part of the fabrication of the fiim--unless,

by inadvertence, it was introduced there. So I want to be sure that we do

not confound the real "blob" (by whatever color) with this floating "blob",

which, unlike the real (that is, painted in) "blob", has no intrinsic interest.

Jim and I seem to have a slight disagreement about what constitutes THE BLOB.

I think I can take credit for the name, since I first started using it in slide lectures

in the 1980s, using Groden Z slide frames. Groden's slides showed it as a WHITE

"blob" on the right side of JFK's head which changed size and shape from frame

to frame. I referred to the artifact as "the blob".

I have always contended that there was NO BLOWOUT OF THE RIGHT TEMPLE

and that the blob was painted in.

Jim has now said that "the blob" is brains bulging out, but he agrees that the

"white thing" represents the "bone flap". I think that the bone flap was created

by the SURGERY TO THE SKULL of Lifton and Horne...at a later time than Dealey

Plaza. Even if the Z film were real, there would be no BONE FLAP, since IT DID

NOT OCCUR IN THE PLAZA. Since I believe that the blob is one of the artifacts

of alteration, I do not understand Jim saying it is some sort of real effect. Or

perhaps I have misunderstood him.

I believe, as I have since the 1980s, that ANY DEFECT of the right temple is

an alteration and does not represent a bone flap OR brains bulging out.

Perhaps Jim can clarify or reconcile our differing opinions.

Jack

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

[Pat Speer]

Thanks, Jack. This is a point worth clarifying. In the Ida Dox drawing and

photograph for the HSCA, a bone flap is visible. Tom Robinson described it

his interview with Joe West. I have asked David Mantik about it and he has

confirmed that there was such a skull flap. It appears to have been blown

open when the frangible bullet exploded and then closed back up. That is

my best explanation for the reports by the Newmans and others that the

side of his face was blown open. It apparently was--but only momentarily.

As for the "blob", I have been using that term to designate the painted-in

image of brains being blown out to the right-front. I agree completely it

is not just an artifact but a fabrication that was painted into the film as

part of a mutually reinforcing deception involving (a) the painted "blob",

( the missing mass on the right-front of the X-rays, © the caption in

LIFE accompanying frame 313, and (d) Zapruder's appearance on TV in

which he put his right hand to his right forehead to illustrate a blow out

that, in fact, did not occur, which we know from many different sources.

In some frames, of course, there is a white object in the backgroun that

seems to be blowing in the wind. I think you have speculated it might be

a piece of paper from the backing of one of Mary's Polaroids, but whatever

it is, it is distinct from and not a part of the fabrication of the fiim--unless,

by inadvertence, it was introduced there. So I want to be sure that we do

not confound the real "blob" (by whatever color) with this floating "blob",

which, unlike the real (that is, painted in) "blob", has no intrinsic interest.

Jim and I seem to have a slight disagreement about what constitutes THE BLOB.

I think I can take credit for the name, since I first started using it in slide lectures

in the 1980s, using Groden Z slide frames. Groden's slides showed it as a WHITE

"blob" on the right side of JFK's head which changed size and shape from frame

to frame. I referred to the artifact as "the blob".

I have always contended that there was NO BLOWOUT OF THE RIGHT TEMPLE

and that the blob was painted in.

Jim has now said that "the blob" is brains bulging out, but he agrees that the

"white thing" represents the "bone flap". I think that the bone flap was created

by the SURGERY TO THE SKULL of Lifton and Horne...at a later time than Dealey

Plaza. Even if the Z film were real, there would be no BONE FLAP, since IT DID

NOT OCCUR IN THE PLAZA. Since I believe that the blob is one of the artifacts

of alteration, I do not understand Jim saying it is some sort of real effect. Or

perhaps I have misunderstood him.

I believe, as I have since the 1980s, that ANY DEFECT of the right temple is

an alteration and does not represent a bone flap OR brains bulging out.

Perhaps Jim can clarify or reconcile our differing opinions.

Jack

I'm still a bit confused. Is what I take to be a bone flap in 323 what Jack calls the blob, but not what you call the blob? If so, where is what you call the blob in 323? Or is it not visible in this frame?

I looked at Z-374, by the way. While the back of the head is quite dark, there is a lighter area on the right side. It looks whitish and not reddish, however. As a result, it might just be the glare of the sun on JFK's hair or some such thing. There is, however, one red patch down near the base of the skull. This might lend support for the EOP entrance observed at autopsy. In any event, I agree this frame should be closely studied, and brought to the attention of the Hollywood group for comparison with the earlier frames.

[Pat Speer]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

So, Jack, to be clear, do you believe Newman was simply mistaken when he described the wound location on TV minutes after the shooting, and depicted it in front of JFK's ear? Or do you think he was part of the plot?

And what about Zapruder, who confirmed Newman's impression? Was his confirmation of the wound location presented by Newman a coincidence? Or did the plotters, including Zapruder, just get lucky when Newman was rushed onto TV and asked to describe the large head wound's location, only to have him mistakenly place it in the exact location they'd planned on creating a fake wound?

[Jack White]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

So, Jack, to be clear, do you believe Newman was simply mistaken when he described the wound location on TV minutes after the shooting, and depicted it in front of JFK's ear? Or do you think he was part of the plot?

And what about Zapruder, who confirmed Newman's impression? Was his confirmation of the wound location presented by Newman a coincidence? Or did the plotters, including Zapruder, just get lucky when Newman was rushed onto TV and asked to describe the large head wound's location, only to have him mistakenly place it in the exact location they'd planned on creating a fake wound?

I have talked to Bill Newman many times. HE NEVER DESCRIBED A BLOWOUT TO THE FRONT.

Instead he talked of a bullet to the temple and blood. He said that the force of the bullet hitting

the temple DROVE THE PRESIDENT BACKWARD* AS IF HIS HEAD HAD BEEN HIT BY A BASEBALL BAT.

He never mentioned any blowout to the front or white bone flap (blob). Have YOU talked to Newman?

What did he tell you?

Jack

*He said the backward movement of the head was what made him think that the head shot

came from "the garden up there by the monument, the grassy noll". Newman was the first person

to refer to the GRASSY KNOLL, even though he mispronounced it n-o-l-l, rhyming with doll.

Edited January 11, 2010 by Jack White

[Pat Speer]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

So, Jack, to be clear, do you believe Newman was simply mistaken when he described the wound location on TV minutes after the shooting, and depicted it in front of JFK's ear? Or do you think he was part of the plot?

And what about Zapruder, who confirmed Newman's impression? Was his confirmation of the wound location presented by Newman a coincidence? Or did the plotters, including Zapruder, just get lucky when Newman was rushed onto TV and asked to describe the large head wound's location, only to have him mistakenly place it in the exact location they'd planned on creating a fake wound?

I have talked to Bill Newman many times. HE NEVER DESCRIBED A BLOWOUT TO THE FRONT.

Instead he talked of a bullet to the temple and blood. He said that the force of the bullet hitting

the temple DROVE THE PRESIDENT BACKWARD* AS IF HIS HEAD HAD BEEN HIT BY A BASEBALL BAT.

He never mentioned any blowout to the front or white bone flap (blob). Have YOU talked to Newman?

What did he tell you?

Jack

*He said the backward movement of the head was what made him think that the head shot

came from "the garden up there by the monument, the grassy noll". Newman was the first person

to refer to the GRASSY KNOLL, even though he mispronounced it n-o-l-l, rhyming with doll.

Wrong, Jack. Newman and his wife saw a large wound on the side of Kennedy's head, not a small entrance hole that could possibly be missed at Parkland. Not only did they never mention seeing a blow out wound on the back of JFK's head, Newman eventually said he thought he thought the bullet striking JFK blew his right ear off. It follows then that he was not describing a little round hole in the hairline.

William Newman was standing on the north side of Elm Street with his wife and two kids and can be seen in the Muchmore film. (11-22-63 interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of the President's death, at approximately 12:45) “We were, we just come from Love Field after seeing the President and First Lady, and we were just in front of the triple underpass on Elm Street at the edge of the curb, getting ready to wave at the President. (After being asked to clarify his position) We were halfway in between the triple underpass. We were at the curb when this incident happened. But the President’s car was some fifty feet in front of us still yet in front of us coming toward us when we heard the first shot and the President. I don't know who was hit first but the President jumped up in his seat, and I thought it scared him, I thought it was a firecracker, cause he looked, you know, fear. And then as the car got directly in front of us well a gunshot apparently from behind us hit the President in the side of the temple.” (When asked if he thought the first shot came form the same location) "I think it came from the same location apparently back up on the mall, whatchacallit." (When asked if he thought the shot came from the viaduct) "Yes, sir, no, no, not on the viaduct itself but up on top of the hill, on the mound, of ground, in the garden." (When asked from how far away the shots were fired) "I have no idea. I didn't see where the gunshots come from. I believe we was looking directly at the President when he was hit. He was more or less directly in front of us. We didn't realize what happened until we seen the side of his head, when the bullet hit him. (When asked if he saw blood) "Yes sir, we seen it. I seen it" (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 1:00 PM) (When asked if he felt the shots came from different directions) "No sir, actually I feel that they both come from directly behind where we were standing. The President, it looked like he was looking in that direction. I don't know whether he was hit first. Apparently he wasn't. It looked like he jumped up in his seat, and when he jumped up he was shot directly in his head. I don't know whatchacallit--the mall behind us--but apparently (interviewer Bill Lord finishing his thought) "that's where he was." (11-22-63 third interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:10 PM) “My wife and my two sons were standing at the curb, looking at the President approaching us, when we heard a blast. And the President looked like that he right jumped up in his seat, and by that time he was directly in front of us. And then he......we seen him get shot in the side of the head. He fell back in the seat and Governor Connally was holding his stomach." (When asked if the shots were almost simultaneous) "Yes sir, they were probably 10 seconds apart." (When asked if he heard a third shot) "I didn't hear a third...I don't recall a third shot. There may have been. We hit...my family hit the ground. I don't recall a third shot. I just couldn't...I'm not certain of that. I do know I heard two shots." (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H219) “We were standing at the edge of the curb looking at the car as it was coming toward us and all of a sudden there was a noise, apparently gunshot. The President jumped up in his seat, and it looked like what I thought was firecracker had went off and I thought he had realized it. It was just like an explosion and he was standing up. By this time he was directly in front of us and I was looking directly at him when he was hit in the side of the head.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “when the President’s car was approximately 50 feet from him proceeding in a westerly direction on Elm Street, he heard the first shots fired...the shots were fired in rapid succession which he thought at the time was a firecracker. The car was proceeding toward him and it seemed that the President’s arms went up and that he raised up in his seat and started to look around. The car proceeded to a point about even with him and he could see Governor John Connally was holding his stomach. About that time another shot was fired which he estimated was ten seconds after the first shot was fired. At that time he heard the bullet strike the president and saw flesh fly from the President’s head… Newman first thought the President and Governor were playing some kind of a game.” (11-29-66 interview with Josiah Thompson) “In my opinion the ear went…My thoughts were that the shot entered there and apparently the thoughts of the Warren Commission were that the shot came out that side.” (2-17-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “as the car was approaching I heard two shots -- BOOM, BOOM -- and when the first shot was fired the President throwed his hands up like this (demonstrating), and at the time what we thought had happened, somebody throwed firecrackers or something under the automobile and he was protecting his face. At the time of the first shot Governor Connally turned in his seat in this manner (demonstrating), to look back at the President I suppose, and then the second shot was fired, and then as the car approached us to where we were standing, I could see Governor Connally leaning back in his seat holding his hands down like this (demonstrating), and at that time I could see blood on his shirt, and that is when I actually realized that it appeared, you know, he had been shot. The President all the time was staying in an upright position in his seat and it looked like he was looking into the crowd of people as if he was trying to see someone. I caught a glimpse of his eyes, just looked like a cold stare, he just looked through me, and then when the car was directly in front of me, well, that is when the third shot was fired and it hit him in the side of the head right above the ear and his ear come off…I observed his ear flying off, and he turned just real white and then blood red, and the President, when the third shot hit him he just went stiff like a board and fell over to his left in his wife's lap, and I told my wife, "That is it, hit the ground," and that is when we hit the ground because I thought the shots were coming over our heads. And then I looked back and I saw Mrs. Kennedy jumping up on the back end of the car…”

Frances Gayle Newman: (11-22-63 first interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 12:45) (When asked if she saw the blood) "Yes sir, it was awful." (When asked what her first thought was after the shots were fired) "I thought it was a firecracker and I saw the blood and I.....I had the baby and I .....I just ran and we....I got on top of him and laid on the grass. I....I was....it scared me. It was terrible." (When asked what else she saw) "Governor Connally was kinda turned to the side and he grabbed his stomach." (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:17 PM) “We were standing next to the curb so the children could see the President. And the car was just up apiece from us and this shot fired out, and I thought it was a firecracker, and the President kind of raised up in his seat. And I thought, you know, he was kind of going along with a gag or something. And then all of a sudden the next one popped, and Governor Connally grabbed his stomach and kind of laid over to the side. And then another one—it was just awful fast. And President Kennedy reached up and grabbed--it looked like he grabbed--his ear and blood just started gushing out. And my husband said “Quick, get down” and I grabbed the baby and we ran and laid down on the grass and I got on top of him. It was just right by us when it all happened, just right in front of us." (When asked if she saw anybody) "It happened so fast that you didn't have the chance to see anything. It was just too fast.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H218) “When President Kennedy’s car was about ten feet from us, I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker going off. President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and then covered his head with his hands and then raised up. After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car. When I first saw and heard all this, I thought it was all of a joke. Just about the time President Kennedy was in front of us, I heard another shot ring out and the President put his hands up to his head, I saw blood all over the side of his head. About this time, Mrs. Kennedy grabbed the President and he kind of lay over to the side kind of in her arms. Then my husband, Billy, said it is a shot. We grabbed our two children and my husband lay on one child and I lay on the other one on the grass. We started to get up and then all of a sudden we lay back down. I don’t know what it was but another shot may have been fired that caused us to lay back down.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “She estimated that when the limousine bearing the President was about 50 feet from them she heard 2 reports and the President seemed to rise up in his seat. A few seconds later she heard another shot and saw that the President had been hit in the head because she saw blood flowing from his body. She believed there were first two shots in succession, a pause, then another shot was fired which struck the President… After the shots were fired, she and her husband each grabbed a child and lay down on the grass fearing they might be hit by gunfire.” (2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “The President's car was maybe 100 or 150 feet from us when I first heard the noise and the first two noises were close together, just seconds apart…at the time of the first noise he threw his hands up…He threw his hands up like this and sort of turned his head… I saw Governor Connally with the first shot seemed to turn a little bit like this. (Indicating.)… at the time of the second shot Governor Connally grabbed his stomach…his eyes just got real big and he sort of slumped down in the seat…we heard a third report, it was a short time, not maybe 10 or 12 seconds after the first two shots…that shot when it happened, the President's car was directly in front of us and it was about a lane's width between us, it wasn't in the lane next to the curb it was in the middle lane, and at that time he was shot in the head right at his ear or right above his ear…The President, his head just seemed to explode, just bits of his skull flew in the air and he fell to the side.”

See?? No description of a large blow out on the back of JFK's head... Just a large wound on the side of his head.

So...I ask once again. Is it just a coincidence that Newman described the wound in the same manner as Zapruder?

[Jack White]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

So, Jack, to be clear, do you believe Newman was simply mistaken when he described the wound location on TV minutes after the shooting, and depicted it in front of JFK's ear? Or do you think he was part of the plot?

And what about Zapruder, who confirmed Newman's impression? Was his confirmation of the wound location presented by Newman a coincidence? Or did the plotters, including Zapruder, just get lucky when Newman was rushed onto TV and asked to describe the large head wound's location, only to have him mistakenly place it in the exact location they'd planned on creating a fake wound?

I have talked to Bill Newman many times. HE NEVER DESCRIBED A BLOWOUT TO THE FRONT.

Instead he talked of a bullet to the temple and blood. He said that the force of the bullet hitting

the temple DROVE THE PRESIDENT BACKWARD* AS IF HIS HEAD HAD BEEN HIT BY A BASEBALL BAT.

He never mentioned any blowout to the front or white bone flap (blob). Have YOU talked to Newman?

What did he tell you?

Jack

*He said the backward movement of the head was what made him think that the head shot

came from "the garden up there by the monument, the grassy noll". Newman was the first person

to refer to the GRASSY KNOLL, even though he mispronounced it n-o-l-l, rhyming with doll.

Wrong, Jack. Newman and his wife saw a large wound on the side of Kennedy's head, not a small entrance hole that could possibly be missed at Parkland. Not only did they never mention seeing a blow out wound on the back of JFK's head, Newman eventually said he thought he thought the bullet striking JFK blew his right ear off. It follows then that he was not describing a little round hole in the hairline.

William Newman was standing on the north side of Elm Street with his wife and two kids and can be seen in the Muchmore film. (11-22-63 interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of the President's death, at approximately 12:45) “We were, we just come from Love Field after seeing the President and First Lady, and we were just in front of the triple underpass on Elm Street at the edge of the curb, getting ready to wave at the President. (After being asked to clarify his position) We were halfway in between the triple underpass. We were at the curb when this incident happened. But the President’s car was some fifty feet in front of us still yet in front of us coming toward us when we heard the first shot and the President. I don't know who was hit first but the President jumped up in his seat, and I thought it scared him, I thought it was a firecracker, cause he looked, you know, fear. And then as the car got directly in front of us well a gunshot apparently from behind us hit the President in the side of the temple.” (When asked if he thought the first shot came form the same location) "I think it came from the same location apparently back up on the mall, whatchacallit." (When asked if he thought the shot came from the viaduct) "Yes, sir, no, no, not on the viaduct itself but up on top of the hill, on the mound, of ground, in the garden." (When asked from how far away the shots were fired) "I have no idea. I didn't see where the gunshots come from. I believe we was looking directly at the President when he was hit. He was more or less directly in front of us. We didn't realize what happened until we seen the side of his head, when the bullet hit him. (When asked if he saw blood) "Yes sir, we seen it. I seen it" (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 1:00 PM) (When asked if he felt the shots came from different directions) "No sir, actually I feel that they both come from directly behind where we were standing. The President, it looked like he was looking in that direction. I don't know whether he was hit first. Apparently he wasn't. It looked like he jumped up in his seat, and when he jumped up he was shot directly in his head. I don't know whatchacallit--the mall behind us--but apparently (interviewer Bill Lord finishing his thought) "that's where he was." (11-22-63 third interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:10 PM) “My wife and my two sons were standing at the curb, looking at the President approaching us, when we heard a blast. And the President looked like that he right jumped up in his seat, and by that time he was directly in front of us. And then he......we seen him get shot in the side of the head. He fell back in the seat and Governor Connally was holding his stomach." (When asked if the shots were almost simultaneous) "Yes sir, they were probably 10 seconds apart." (When asked if he heard a third shot) "I didn't hear a third...I don't recall a third shot. There may have been. We hit...my family hit the ground. I don't recall a third shot. I just couldn't...I'm not certain of that. I do know I heard two shots." (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H219) “We were standing at the edge of the curb looking at the car as it was coming toward us and all of a sudden there was a noise, apparently gunshot. The President jumped up in his seat, and it looked like what I thought was firecracker had went off and I thought he had realized it. It was just like an explosion and he was standing up. By this time he was directly in front of us and I was looking directly at him when he was hit in the side of the head.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “when the President’s car was approximately 50 feet from him proceeding in a westerly direction on Elm Street, he heard the first shots fired...the shots were fired in rapid succession which he thought at the time was a firecracker. The car was proceeding toward him and it seemed that the President’s arms went up and that he raised up in his seat and started to look around. The car proceeded to a point about even with him and he could see Governor John Connally was holding his stomach. About that time another shot was fired which he estimated was ten seconds after the first shot was fired. At that time he heard the bullet strike the president and saw flesh fly from the President’s head… Newman first thought the President and Governor were playing some kind of a game.” (11-29-66 interview with Josiah Thompson) “In my opinion the ear went…My thoughts were that the shot entered there and apparently the thoughts of the Warren Commission were that the shot came out that side.” (2-17-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “as the car was approaching I heard two shots -- BOOM, BOOM -- and when the first shot was fired the President throwed his hands up like this (demonstrating), and at the time what we thought had happened, somebody throwed firecrackers or something under the automobile and he was protecting his face. At the time of the first shot Governor Connally turned in his seat in this manner (demonstrating), to look back at the President I suppose, and then the second shot was fired, and then as the car approached us to where we were standing, I could see Governor Connally leaning back in his seat holding his hands down like this (demonstrating), and at that time I could see blood on his shirt, and that is when I actually realized that it appeared, you know, he had been shot. The President all the time was staying in an upright position in his seat and it looked like he was looking into the crowd of people as if he was trying to see someone. I caught a glimpse of his eyes, just looked like a cold stare, he just looked through me, and then when the car was directly in front of me, well, that is when the third shot was fired and it hit him in the side of the head right above the ear and his ear come off…I observed his ear flying off, and he turned just real white and then blood red, and the President, when the third shot hit him he just went stiff like a board and fell over to his left in his wife's lap, and I told my wife, "That is it, hit the ground," and that is when we hit the ground because I thought the shots were coming over our heads. And then I looked back and I saw Mrs. Kennedy jumping up on the back end of the car…”

Frances Gayle Newman: (11-22-63 first interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 12:45) (When asked if she saw the blood) "Yes sir, it was awful." (When asked what her first thought was after the shots were fired) "I thought it was a firecracker and I saw the blood and I.....I had the baby and I .....I just ran and we....I got on top of him and laid on the grass. I....I was....it scared me. It was terrible." (When asked what else she saw) "Governor Connally was kinda turned to the side and he grabbed his stomach." (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:17 PM) “We were standing next to the curb so the children could see the President. And the car was just up apiece from us and this shot fired out, and I thought it was a firecracker, and the President kind of raised up in his seat. And I thought, you know, he was kind of going along with a gag or something. And then all of a sudden the next one popped, and Governor Connally grabbed his stomach and kind of laid over to the side. And then another one—it was just awful fast. And President Kennedy reached up and grabbed--it looked like he grabbed--his ear and blood just started gushing out. And my husband said “Quick, get down” and I grabbed the baby and we ran and laid down on the grass and I got on top of him. It was just right by us when it all happened, just right in front of us." (When asked if she saw anybody) "It happened so fast that you didn't have the chance to see anything. It was just too fast.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H218) “When President Kennedy’s car was about ten feet from us, I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker going off. President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and then covered his head with his hands and then raised up. After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car. When I first saw and heard all this, I thought it was all of a joke. Just about the time President Kennedy was in front of us, I heard another shot ring out and the President put his hands up to his head, I saw blood all over the side of his head. About this time, Mrs. Kennedy grabbed the President and he kind of lay over to the side kind of in her arms. Then my husband, Billy, said it is a shot. We grabbed our two children and my husband lay on one child and I lay on the other one on the grass. We started to get up and then all of a sudden we lay back down. I don’t know what it was but another shot may have been fired that caused us to lay back down.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “She estimated that when the limousine bearing the President was about 50 feet from them she heard 2 reports and the President seemed to rise up in his seat. A few seconds later she heard another shot and saw that the President had been hit in the head because she saw blood flowing from his body. She believed there were first two shots in succession, a pause, then another shot was fired which struck the President… After the shots were fired, she and her husband each grabbed a child and lay down on the grass fearing they might be hit by gunfire.” (2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “The President's car was maybe 100 or 150 feet from us when I first heard the noise and the first two noises were close together, just seconds apart…at the time of the first noise he threw his hands up…He threw his hands up like this and sort of turned his head… I saw Governor Connally with the first shot seemed to turn a little bit like this. (Indicating.)… at the time of the second shot Governor Connally grabbed his stomach…his eyes just got real big and he sort of slumped down in the seat…we heard a third report, it was a short time, not maybe 10 or 12 seconds after the first two shots…that shot when it happened, the President's car was directly in front of us and it was about a lane's width between us, it wasn't in the lane next to the curb it was in the middle lane, and at that time he was shot in the head right at his ear or right above his ear…The President, his head just seemed to explode, just bits of his skull flew in the air and he fell to the side.”

See?? No description of a large blow out on the back of JFK's head... Just a large wound on the side of his head.

So...I ask once again. Is it just a coincidence that Newman described the wound in the same manner as Zapruder?

You have bold-faced NOTHING to support your stance except when

Newman says "I thought I saw his ear fly off." In all other places

he says he saw a bullet strike and blood...but no frontal explosion.

Your interpretation of what he said is what supports your stance,

not what he actually said.

I asked the question, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO

NEWMAN. I did not see your answer.

The photo you included of NEWMAN POINTING HIS FINGER TO HIS

TEMPLE is him showing where the bullet struck. The other photo

shows where the blowout occurred!

Jack

Edited January 11, 2010 by Jack White

[Todd W. Vaughan]

Thanks for the clarification, Jim. However, I still maintain that there

was no massive blowout (BLOB) of the right temple in Dealey Plaza.

The bulging brain and bone fragment flap WERE ARTIFACTS OF THE

SURGERY OF THE HEAD AREA PERFORMED BY HUMES, ACCORDING

TO HORNE IN VOLUME IV. I believe there was a small bullet hole in

the hairline of the right temple which caused the massive occipital

blowout, but it did not cause a frontal blowout.

Thanks.

Jack

PS. It is confusing to refer to the piece of paper as a blob. It is

clearly a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the head wounds.

So, Jack, to be clear, do you believe Newman was simply mistaken when he described the wound location on TV minutes after the shooting, and depicted it in front of JFK's ear? Or do you think he was part of the plot?

And what about Zapruder, who confirmed Newman's impression? Was his confirmation of the wound location presented by Newman a coincidence? Or did the plotters, including Zapruder, just get lucky when Newman was rushed onto TV and asked to describe the large head wound's location, only to have him mistakenly place it in the exact location they'd planned on creating a fake wound?

I have talked to Bill Newman many times. HE NEVER DESCRIBED A BLOWOUT TO THE FRONT.

Instead he talked of a bullet to the temple and blood. He said that the force of the bullet hitting

the temple DROVE THE PRESIDENT BACKWARD* AS IF HIS HEAD HAD BEEN HIT BY A BASEBALL BAT.

He never mentioned any blowout to the front or white bone flap (blob). Have YOU talked to Newman?

What did he tell you?

Jack

*He said the backward movement of the head was what made him think that the head shot

came from "the garden up there by the monument, the grassy noll". Newman was the first person

to refer to the GRASSY KNOLL, even though he mispronounced it n-o-l-l, rhyming with doll.

Wrong, Jack. Newman and his wife saw a large wound on the side of Kennedy's head, not a small entrance hole that could possibly be missed at Parkland. Not only did they never mention seeing a blow out wound on the back of JFK's head, Newman eventually said he thought he thought the bullet striking JFK blew his right ear off. It follows then that he was not describing a little round hole in the hairline.

William Newman was standing on the north side of Elm Street with his wife and two kids and can be seen in the Muchmore film. (11-22-63 interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of the President's death, at approximately 12:45) “We were, we just come from Love Field after seeing the President and First Lady, and we were just in front of the triple underpass on Elm Street at the edge of the curb, getting ready to wave at the President. (After being asked to clarify his position) We were halfway in between the triple underpass. We were at the curb when this incident happened. But the President’s car was some fifty feet in front of us still yet in front of us coming toward us when we heard the first shot and the President. I don't know who was hit first but the President jumped up in his seat, and I thought it scared him, I thought it was a firecracker, cause he looked, you know, fear. And then as the car got directly in front of us well a gunshot apparently from behind us hit the President in the side of the temple.” (When asked if he thought the first shot came form the same location) "I think it came from the same location apparently back up on the mall, whatchacallit." (When asked if he thought the shot came from the viaduct) "Yes, sir, no, no, not on the viaduct itself but up on top of the hill, on the mound, of ground, in the garden." (When asked from how far away the shots were fired) "I have no idea. I didn't see where the gunshots come from. I believe we was looking directly at the President when he was hit. He was more or less directly in front of us. We didn't realize what happened until we seen the side of his head, when the bullet hit him. (When asked if he saw blood) "Yes sir, we seen it. I seen it" (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 1:00 PM) (When asked if he felt the shots came from different directions) "No sir, actually I feel that they both come from directly behind where we were standing. The President, it looked like he was looking in that direction. I don't know whether he was hit first. Apparently he wasn't. It looked like he jumped up in his seat, and when he jumped up he was shot directly in his head. I don't know whatchacallit--the mall behind us--but apparently (interviewer Bill Lord finishing his thought) "that's where he was." (11-22-63 third interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:10 PM) “My wife and my two sons were standing at the curb, looking at the President approaching us, when we heard a blast. And the President looked like that he right jumped up in his seat, and by that time he was directly in front of us. And then he......we seen him get shot in the side of the head. He fell back in the seat and Governor Connally was holding his stomach." (When asked if the shots were almost simultaneous) "Yes sir, they were probably 10 seconds apart." (When asked if he heard a third shot) "I didn't hear a third...I don't recall a third shot. There may have been. We hit...my family hit the ground. I don't recall a third shot. I just couldn't...I'm not certain of that. I do know I heard two shots." (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H219) “We were standing at the edge of the curb looking at the car as it was coming toward us and all of a sudden there was a noise, apparently gunshot. The President jumped up in his seat, and it looked like what I thought was firecracker had went off and I thought he had realized it. It was just like an explosion and he was standing up. By this time he was directly in front of us and I was looking directly at him when he was hit in the side of the head.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “when the President’s car was approximately 50 feet from him proceeding in a westerly direction on Elm Street, he heard the first shots fired...the shots were fired in rapid succession which he thought at the time was a firecracker. The car was proceeding toward him and it seemed that the President’s arms went up and that he raised up in his seat and started to look around. The car proceeded to a point about even with him and he could see Governor John Connally was holding his stomach. About that time another shot was fired which he estimated was ten seconds after the first shot was fired. At that time he heard the bullet strike the president and saw flesh fly from the President’s head… Newman first thought the President and Governor were playing some kind of a game.” (11-29-66 interview with Josiah Thompson) “In my opinion the ear went…My thoughts were that the shot entered there and apparently the thoughts of the Warren Commission were that the shot came out that side.” (2-17-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “as the car was approaching I heard two shots -- BOOM, BOOM -- and when the first shot was fired the President throwed his hands up like this (demonstrating), and at the time what we thought had happened, somebody throwed firecrackers or something under the automobile and he was protecting his face. At the time of the first shot Governor Connally turned in his seat in this manner (demonstrating), to look back at the President I suppose, and then the second shot was fired, and then as the car approached us to where we were standing, I could see Governor Connally leaning back in his seat holding his hands down like this (demonstrating), and at that time I could see blood on his shirt, and that is when I actually realized that it appeared, you know, he had been shot. The President all the time was staying in an upright position in his seat and it looked like he was looking into the crowd of people as if he was trying to see someone. I caught a glimpse of his eyes, just looked like a cold stare, he just looked through me, and then when the car was directly in front of me, well, that is when the third shot was fired and it hit him in the side of the head right above the ear and his ear come off…I observed his ear flying off, and he turned just real white and then blood red, and the President, when the third shot hit him he just went stiff like a board and fell over to his left in his wife's lap, and I told my wife, "That is it, hit the ground," and that is when we hit the ground because I thought the shots were coming over our heads. And then I looked back and I saw Mrs. Kennedy jumping up on the back end of the car…”

Frances Gayle Newman: (11-22-63 first interview on WFAA, prior to the announcement of Kennedy's death, at approximately 12:45) (When asked if she saw the blood) "Yes sir, it was awful." (When asked what her first thought was after the shots were fired) "I thought it was a firecracker and I saw the blood and I.....I had the baby and I .....I just ran and we....I got on top of him and laid on the grass. I....I was....it scared me. It was terrible." (When asked what else she saw) "Governor Connally was kinda turned to the side and he grabbed his stomach." (11-22-63 second interview on WFAA, at approximately 1:17 PM) “We were standing next to the curb so the children could see the President. And the car was just up apiece from us and this shot fired out, and I thought it was a firecracker, and the President kind of raised up in his seat. And I thought, you know, he was kind of going along with a gag or something. And then all of a sudden the next one popped, and Governor Connally grabbed his stomach and kind of laid over to the side. And then another one—it was just awful fast. And President Kennedy reached up and grabbed--it looked like he grabbed--his ear and blood just started gushing out. And my husband said “Quick, get down” and I grabbed the baby and we ran and laid down on the grass and I got on top of him. It was just right by us when it all happened, just right in front of us." (When asked if she saw anybody) "It happened so fast that you didn't have the chance to see anything. It was just too fast.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 24H218) “When President Kennedy’s car was about ten feet from us, I heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker going off. President Kennedy kind of jumped like he was startled and then covered his head with his hands and then raised up. After I heard the first shot, another shot sounded and Governor Connally kind of grabbed his chest and lay back on the seat of the car. When I first saw and heard all this, I thought it was all of a joke. Just about the time President Kennedy was in front of us, I heard another shot ring out and the President put his hands up to his head, I saw blood all over the side of his head. About this time, Mrs. Kennedy grabbed the President and he kind of lay over to the side kind of in her arms. Then my husband, Billy, said it is a shot. We grabbed our two children and my husband lay on one child and I lay on the other one on the grass. We started to get up and then all of a sudden we lay back down. I don’t know what it was but another shot may have been fired that caused us to lay back down.” (11-24-63 FBI report, 22H842) “She estimated that when the limousine bearing the President was about 50 feet from them she heard 2 reports and the President seemed to rise up in his seat. A few seconds later she heard another shot and saw that the President had been hit in the head because she saw blood flowing from his body. She believed there were first two shots in succession, a pause, then another shot was fired which struck the President… After the shots were fired, she and her husband each grabbed a child and lay down on the grass fearing they might be hit by gunfire.” (2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “The President's car was maybe 100 or 150 feet from us when I first heard the noise and the first two noises were close together, just seconds apart…at the time of the first noise he threw his hands up…He threw his hands up like this and sort of turned his head… I saw Governor Connally with the first shot seemed to turn a little bit like this. (Indicating.)… at the time of the second shot Governor Connally grabbed his stomach…his eyes just got real big and he sort of slumped down in the seat…we heard a third report, it was a short time, not maybe 10 or 12 seconds after the first two shots…that shot when it happened, the President's car was directly in front of us and it was about a lane's width between us, it wasn't in the lane next to the curb it was in the middle lane, and at that time he was shot in the head right at his ear or right above his ear…The President, his head just seemed to explode, just bits of his skull flew in the air and he fell to the side.”

See?? No description of a large blow out on the back of JFK's head... Just a large wound on the side of his head.

So...I ask once again. Is it just a coincidence that Newman described the wound in the same manner as Zapruder?

You have bold-faced NOTHING to support your stance except when

Newman says "I thought I saw his ear fly off." In all other places

he says he saw a bullet strike and blood...but no frontal explosion.

Your interpretation of what he said is what supports your stance,

not what he actually said.

I asked the question, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO

NEWMAN. I did not see your answer.

The photo you included of NEWMAN POINTING HIS FINGER TO HIS

TEMPLE is him showing where the bullet struck. The other photo

shows where the blowout occurred!

Jack

That's simply not true Jack.

There is BW silent film of Newman in the WFAA studio on 11/22/63 where he makes a gesture of a forward and upward and outward "spray" or explosion from the right side of his head. He may also make such a motion in his WFAA on air interview. Further, I believe he makes a similar indication in Mark oakes video interview of him.

[Jack White]

How many times have you talked to Bill Newman, and for how long?

Jack

[Jack White]

I was able to regain 3MB of image posting space by going back 5 years and deleting photos

for 30 minutes. Testing....

Jack

[Craig Lamson]

Fetzer says:

The point I made about David Mantik's study of the 4x5 transparencies is that they also show the same artifacts -- the painting over of the massive blow-out to the back of the head in black and the painting in of the bulging brains (the "blob") and the blood spray.

So Jim, how did you decide the back of the head was painted in black instead of the back of the head being just bloody?

Simple question, a simple answer will suffice.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Craig Lamson

[Jack White]

Fetzer says:

The point I made about David Mantik's study of the 4x5 transparencies is that they also show the same artifacts -- the painting over of the massive blow-out to the back of the head in black and the painting in of the bulging brains (the "blob") and the blood spray.

So Jim, how did you decide the back of the head was painted in black instead of the back of the head being just bloody?

Simple question, a simple answer will suffice.

Jim has answered that repeatedly. One of the answers is that the Hollywood 7, using a high quality

scan, observed and reported it to Doug Horne. There are other answers posted. Read them.

Jack