Jim Feemster Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Has anyone ever tried to duplicate the pic of the BDM? jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) Has anyone ever tried to duplicate the pic of the BDM? jim Gary Shaw posed there. Published in several books. There is no black dog man in Moorman. I think BDM was retouching to remove Gordon Arnold in Willis and Betzner. However, Arnold also is not in Moorman. Jack Edited August 17, 2010 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feemster Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 Gosh Jack I never thought of that. But what better way to cover Gordon up. Thanks Jack. That really explains Black Dog Man for me. Maybe the ones who invented BDM are the same ones that tore the license plate off the picture of the Chevy parked out back of Gen. Walker's house. I have always wondered how BDM could be there one second and completely gone the next. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feemster Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 So Duncan, What is your opinion as to what or who is BDM? jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Has anyone ever tried to duplicate the pic of the BDM? jim Gary Shaw posed there. Published in several books. There is no black dog man in Moorman. I think BDM was retouching to remove Gordon Arnold in Willis and Betzner. However, Arnold also is not in Moorman. Jack Jack, How does that explain Rosemary Willis describing Black Dog Man as a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm Also, the HSCA examined Willis 5 and found a "very distinct straight-line feature" near the "region of the hands." Hmmm...JFK gets shot circa Z190 and someone with a "very distinct straight-line feature"..."in the region of the hands"..."disappears the next instant"... Rosemary's rapid headsap Z214-217 establishes the timing of her attention being drawn to BDM's direction, a little more than a second after the throat shot. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394 Gee, I guess that rules BDM out as a shooter, eh? (sarcasm off) Another false mystery in a case full of them. Edited August 20, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I agree with Duncans opinion 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I agree with Duncans opinion 100% I'm just curious...why would Rosemary Willis make up a story about a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm I almost always defer to the people who were there, but that's just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Has anyone ever tried to duplicate the pic of the BDM? jim Gary Shaw posed there. Published in several books. There is no black dog man in Moorman. I think BDM was retouching to remove Gordon Arnold in Willis and Betzner. However, Arnold also is not in Moorman. Jack Jack, How does that explain Rosemary Willis describing Black Dog Man as a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm Also, the HSCA examined Willis 5 and found a "very distinct straight-line feature" near the "region of the hands." Hmmm...JFK gets shot circa Z190 and someone with a "very distinct straight-line feature"..."in the region of the hands"..."disappears the next instant"... Rosemary's rapid headsap Z214-217 establishes the timing of her attention being drawn to BDM's direction, a little more than a second after the throat shot. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394 Gee, I guess that rules BDM out as a shooter, eh? (sarcasm off) Another false mystery in a case full of them. Gordon Arnold fell to the ground immediately, disappearing from Rosemary's view. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I agree with Duncans opinion 100% I'm just curious...why would Rosemary Willis make up a story about a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm I almost always defer to the people who were there, but that's just me... The woman and the baby hit the ground, right after that CardaginMan (The husband/dad) turned and ran up the stairs (as seen in Muchmore and Nix) to go back and protect his wife and child right after the head shot. Sitzman saw the black couple on the bench eating and drinking soda, the bench that was right behind the retaining wall, in the same area that we see BDM in Willis and Betzner Just like Duncan said its not BDM its BDW (and child) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Has anyone ever tried to duplicate the pic of the BDM? jim Gary Shaw posed there. Published in several books. There is no black dog man in Moorman. I think BDM was retouching to remove Gordon Arnold in Willis and Betzner. However, Arnold also is not in Moorman. Jack Jack, How does that explain Rosemary Willis describing Black Dog Man as a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm Also, the HSCA examined Willis 5 and found a "very distinct straight-line feature" near the "region of the hands." Hmmm...JFK gets shot circa Z190 and someone with a "very distinct straight-line feature"..."in the region of the hands"..."disappears the next instant"... Rosemary's rapid headsap Z214-217 establishes the timing of her attention being drawn to BDM's direction, a little more than a second after the throat shot. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394 Gee, I guess that rules BDM out as a shooter, eh? (sarcasm off) Another false mystery in a case full of them. Gordon Arnold fell to the ground immediately, disappearing from Rosemary's view. Jack And Gordon Arnold was behind the concrete wall with a straight-line feature in the region of his hands? Where in his statements is any of that established? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) I agree with Duncans opinion 100% I'm just curious...why would Rosemary Willis make up a story about a "conspicuous" person who happened to "disappear the next instant"? http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm I almost always defer to the people who were there, but that's just me... The woman and the baby hit the ground, right after that CardaginMan (The husband/dad) turned and ran up the stairs (as seen in Muchmore and Nix) to go back and protect his wife and child right after the head shot. Sitzman saw the black couple on the bench eating and drinking soda, the bench that was right behind the retaining wall, in the same area that we see BDM in Willis and Betzner Just like Duncan said its not BDM its BDW (and child) According to the HSCA analysis it was a single individual, which is consistent with Rosemary Willis describing a "conspicuous" person. Since Rosemary had the presence of mind to describe Umbrella Man and his umbrella, how did she miss the baby being held by a "conspicuous" person? And since when is a baby a "distinct straight-line feature"? Duncan's analysis ignores the evidence. Edited August 20, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Duncan's analysis ignores the evidence. Cliff Show me another witness besides Rosemary Willis who saw a single "conspicuous" person in the BDM position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Duncan's analysis ignores the evidence. Cliff Show me another witness besides Rosemary Willis who saw a single "conspicuous" person in the BDM position The HSCA analysis of Willis 5, Dean. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm A "distinctly straight-line feature" that was "near the region of the hands" rules out a baby, seems to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Duncan's analysis ignores the evidence. Cliff Show me another witness besides Rosemary Willis who saw a single "conspicuous" person in the BDM position The HSCA analysis of Willis 5, Dean. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm A "distinctly straight-line feature" that was "near the region of the hands" rules out a baby, seems to me. I didnt ask for an analysis Cliff, I asked for another witness Both of us know that no other witness saw what Rosemary said she saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 (edited) Duncan's analysis ignores the evidence. Cliff Show me another witness besides Rosemary Willis who saw a single "conspicuous" person in the BDM position The HSCA analysis of Willis 5, Dean. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol12/html/HSCA_Vol12_0006a.htm A "distinctly straight-line feature" that was "near the region of the hands" rules out a baby, seems to me. I didnt ask for an analysis Cliff, I asked for another witness Both of us know that no other witness saw what Rosemary said she saw But since what she described is corroborated by Willis 5 her testimony trumps Duncan's speculation, I'd reckon. "Distinct straight-line features" do not exist in nature. Edited August 21, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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