Terry Mauro Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder. MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography. Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=2026913 Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show. SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life" By John Darling Ashland Daily Tidings October 30, 2009 Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" about "issues facing gay men" has been suspended by Southern Oregon University. The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies. The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography. The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said. RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus. Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment. Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show. "We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview. "We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope." "My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show." The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing." "They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said. RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey. "We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services. Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty." Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer. And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario? http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100907/UPDATE/100907006/-1/update Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana. It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/arnold-time-to-talk-about_n_197244.html Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63. Edited September 7, 2010 by Terry Mauro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder. MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography. Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys. http://www.wtop.com/...104&sid=2026913 Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show. SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life" By John Darling Ashland Daily Tidings October 30, 2009 Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" — about "issues facing gay men" — has been suspended by Southern Oregon University. The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies. The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography. The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said. RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus. Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment. Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show. "We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview. "We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope." "My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show." The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments — and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing." "They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said. RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey. "We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services. Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty." Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer. And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario? http://www.statesman...07006/-1/update Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana. It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger. http://www.huffingto...t_n_197244.html Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63. Anybody can be arrested for having child porn on their comptuer, as it normally comes up in the course of any google search. My question is why the local computer crime detectives and the feds, only go after child pornos, who should be targeted and arrested, but they don't bother with going after those who engage in bank fraud and other more common internet crimes that are just as signifiant as child porn. Why not go after the Nigerian bank officicial scammers? And why not target and go after those who hack web sites and take them down? Certainly that is a crime, isn't it? And why not study the medical uses of pot and other drugs that are outlawed, laws that only support the criminal cartels and the lawyers and cops who make their living off of illegal drugs? Why not make all such drugs available for study and use, and keep them out of the political arena? I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted September 7, 2010 Author Share Posted September 7, 2010 (edited) Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder. MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography. Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys. http://www.wtop.com/...104&sid=2026913 Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show. SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life" By John Darling Ashland Daily Tidings October 30, 2009 Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" about "issues facing gay men" has been suspended by Southern Oregon University. The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies. The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography. The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said. RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus. Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment. Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show. "We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview. "We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope." "My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show." The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing." "They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said. RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey. "We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services. Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty." Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer. And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario? http://www.statesman...07006/-1/update Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana. It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger. http://www.huffingto...t_n_197244.html Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63. Anybody can be arrested for having child porn on their comptuer, as it normally comes up in the course of any google search. My question is why the local computer crime detectives and the feds, only go after child pornos, who should be targeted and arrested, but they don't bother with going after those who engage in bank fraud and other more common internet crimes that are just as signifiant as child porn. Why not go after the Nigerian bank officicial scammers? And why not target and go after those who hack web sites and take them down? Certainly that is a crime, isn't it? And why not study the medical uses of pot and other drugs that are outlawed, laws that only support the criminal cartels and the lawyers and cops who make their living off of illegal drugs? Why not make all such drugs available for study and use, and keep them out of the political arena? I don't know. Read the article. McManus noted that the sentencing came two years after he told authorities that Auchincloss and Vickoren kept an extensive collection of child pornography in books, slides and computer files at Auchincloss' hillside bungalow. And there may be more to the story http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100218/NEWS02/2180309 Bill if youre looking for financial wrong doing then I suggest you read the Franklin Cover Up. Franklin was a failed credit union, looted by wealthy pedophiles and drug dealers who enjoyed a satanic ritual and murder here and there. Besides I am sure pedastry/pedophilia is a popular past time by Wall Street financiers. It goes with the territory. I am sure pot and other illegal drugs are also part of the Wall Street fun. Here's former President of the NYSE Mr. Grasso meeting with the leaders of Columbia's drug army FARC. Grasso wanted to take them public. http://img2.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0202/feb12fab54a8589b4b0e.jpeg Edited September 7, 2010 by Terry Mauro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder. MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography. Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys. http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=2026913 Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show. SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life" By John Darling Ashland Daily Tidings October 30, 2009 Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" — about "issues facing gay men" — has been suspended by Southern Oregon University. The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies. The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography. The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said. RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus. Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment. Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show. "We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview. "We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope." "My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show." The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments — and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing." "They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said. RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey. "We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services. Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty." Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer. And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario? http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100907/UPDATE/100907006/-1/update Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana. It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/arnold-time-to-talk-about_n_197244.html Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63. At the bottom of one of the articles you cited is this little Copyright notice which you seem to have chosen to totally ignore: (Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) Does this make our little muckraker guilty of violating U.S. Copyright laws? Tsk, Tsk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I fail to see what this case has to do with the JFK assassination. It seems more about smearing the Kennedy family than anything to do with the assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted September 8, 2010 Author Share Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder. MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography. Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys. http://www.wtop.com/...104&sid=2026913 Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show. SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life" By John Darling Ashland Daily Tidings October 30, 2009 Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" — about "issues facing gay men" — has been suspended by Southern Oregon University. The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies. The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography. The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said. RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus. Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment. Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show. "We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview. "We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope." "My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show." The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments — and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing." "They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said. RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey. "We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services. Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty." Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer. And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario? http://www.statesman...07006/-1/update Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana. It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger. http://www.huffingto...t_n_197244.html Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63. At the bottom of one of the articles you cited is this little Copyright notice which you seem to have chosen to totally ignore: (Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) Does this make our little muckraker guilty of violating U.S. Copyright laws? Tsk, Tsk! A JFK conspiracy buff worrying about muckracking, now that's classic. <deleted> Edited September 11, 2010 by Evan Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I fail to see what this case has to do with the JFK assassination. It seems more about smearing the Kennedy family than anything to do with the assassination. John, this article is in the Political Conspiracies section - not the JFK assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I fail to see what this case has to do with the JFK assassination. It seems more about smearing the Kennedy family than anything to do with the assassination. John, this article is in the Political Conspiracies section - not the JFK assassination. So we are therefore talking about the Kennedy conspiracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Hall Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I fail to see what this case has to do with the JFK assassination. It seems more about smearing the Kennedy family than anything to do with the assassination. John, this article is in the Political Conspiracies section - not the JFK assassination. So we are therefore talking about the Kennedy conspiracy? John, the forum has given a remakable amount of lattitude in the topics initiated on this part of the forum. Sometimes they resemble the titles (and, for that matter, the content) of National Enquirer articles. If this article was about Sarah Palin's brother or child, it would be unquestionably newsworth. I feel badly for the Auchincloss family and I hope that this guy gets help. Nonetheless, it is the truth - not a slur. It is simply the facts of what happened. From a legal perspective, the truth (however unseemly it may be) is a defense to a claim of defamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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