Douglas Caddy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 16 Mind-Blowing Facts About Who Really Killed JFK By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News 22 November 13 http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/20557-16-mind-blowing-facts-about-who-really-killed-jfk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) There's a world of hurt right in the first paragraph. <quote> overnment documents declassified after the passage of the JFK Records Act in 1992 prove that the official narrative is bullxxxx. There is overwhelming evidence implicating the CIA and other United States intelligence agencies, as well as top military officials and corporate entities, in a complex plot to stage a coup against a president who rebelled against their wishes.<quote off> There was a government document published in '64 which proved the official narrative was bullxxxx -- the 26 volumes of testimony for the Warren Report. I take issue with the word "complex" in relation to the murder of JFK. But I don't have a problem with the word to describe the competing cover-ups of his assassination. It seems a given to most that the plotters to kill Kennedy and Oswald were the same guys. At the top, sure. But the mission to kill Kennedy and the mission to kill Oswald were -- in all likelihood, imo -- separate operations controlled from on high with players who didn't need to know anything about the other mission. Greg Parker has claimed that Oswald leads back to the frame. Which frame I ask -- Oswald as Red Agent or Oswald the Lone Nut? I find JFK's murder much more straight-forward pointing to a small universe of Persons of Interest with US Army Special Operations Division as a front for CIA projects. People who were both military and CIA -- but neither. People who operated outside bureaucratic hierarchies at the behest of elite masters. I don't buy the argument that "the CIA killed Kennedy" -- an institutional crime. I'd be more open to the claim that "the CIA killed Oswald." Edited March 18, 2015 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Cliff, your framing of the conspirators is the most suitable one that I have seen, I feel the same, it wasn't the institutions like the CIA or the Military or the FBI, it was powerful controlling components of each that bought into the plan and were in position to control their agencies under them during the aftermath. The people that did this would by necessity be outside contractors just so elites could distance themselves if the plot came unglued and people had to go down. It is evident that much planning was in place and as soon as the deed was done components of the FBI moved in to began control. The Military was prepared for the autopsy and the CIA for alteration of film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Cliff - i am on the same page about who the plotters were. Could you clarify the plot to kill Oswald? Are you of the opinion that the JFK plotters did not have a patsy (Oswald) set up, or that Oswald escaped their dragnet, making necessary a subsequent plan, or perhaps something else entirely...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Cliff - i am on the same page about who the plotters were. Could you clarify the plot to kill Oswald? Are you of the opinion that the JFK plotters did not have a patsy (Oswald) set up, or that Oswald escaped their dragnet, making necessary a subsequent plan, or perhaps something else entirely...? At this point in my studies it looks as if Oswald was sheep-dipped as an agent of communism by one or more operations, and then marked for death soon after Kennedy by what may have been an operation separate from the sheep-dipping. Team Oswald screwed the pooch. In order to make the Agent of Fidel frame stick he needed to be gunned down 11/22. When Oswald survived to be captured Plan B was ordered from the top -- Oswald was to be a lone nut and all the evidence needed to fit that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 12:25 PM (Nov. 22, 1963) Depository employee Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald on the first floor near the front door of the building.The motorcade is preceded by a pilot car. In this car are: B.L. Senkel, F. P. Turner, Deputy Chief George Lumpkin (also amember of the Army Intelligence Reserve), Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer (a local army-reserve commander) and Jack Puterbaugh, the local advance man for the Democratic National Committee who was present when the parade route in front of the TSBD wasset. This pilot car makes only one recorded stop along the parade route today -- exactly in front of the TSBD. (“Deputy Chief G. L.Lumpkin ... stopped momentarily at the corner of Houston and Elm” and spoke to the policeman “working traffic at that corner.”) Noneof the three policemen assigned to that corner will report this conversation in their later affidavits.12:26 Police Ban (Channel 2): #158 (rear car) reports that everything is okay. =================Military Intell Lumpkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Mady Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Steven, you are amazing. Could you post the report or link to information from post #6 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) PDF]NOVEMBER 22, 1963 (Friday) - Assassination Research www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdfSimilar 22, 1963) Marina Oswald notices that her husband, LHO, is still awake. 12:50 AM (Nov. ...... Carolyn Arnold will see LHO in the lunchroom five minutes later. H&L.]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]. Gaal Posted Today, 10:25 PM = 12:25 PM (Nov. 22, 1963) Depository employee Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald on the first floor near the front door of the building.The motorcade is preceded by a pilot car. In this car are: B.L. Senkel, F. P. Turner, Deputy Chief George Lumpkin (also amember of the Army Intelligence Reserve), Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer (a local army-reserve commander) and Jack Puterbaugh, the local advance man for the Democratic National Committee who was present when the parade route in front of the TSBD wasset. This pilot car makes only one recorded stop along the parade route today -- exactly in front of the TSBD. (“Deputy Chief G. L.Lumpkin ... stopped momentarily at the corner of Houston and Elm” and spoke to the policeman “working traffic at that corner.”) Noneof the three policemen assigned to that corner will report this conversation in their later affidavits.12:26 Police Ban (Channel 2): #158 (rear car) reports that everything is okay. =================Military Intell Lumpkin This pilot car makes only one recorded stop along the parade route today -- exactly in front of the TSBD. (curious no ?,GAAL) Edited March 18, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hume Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Steven Gaal wrote: "This pilot car makes only one recorded stop along the parade route today -- exactly in front of the TSBD." If this is true, Steven, you raise an interesting question: What was the pilot car doing when Kennedy made two impromptu stops to shake hands before reaching Elm Street? In one of them, he actually got out the car. Tom Edited March 18, 2015 by Tom Hume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) TOM I don't know the answer to your question . SIMKIN BELOW = ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]Russ Baker's new book, Family of Secrets, has some information on Whitmayer. In 1956 Jack Crichton, a close friend of George W. W. Bush, started up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas.According to Fabian Escalante (The Secret War: CIA Covert Operations Against Cuba, 1959-62), in 1959, Crichton and Bush raised funds for the CIA's Operation 40. Originally it was set up to organize sabotage operations against Fidel Castro and his Cuban government. However, it evolved into a team of assassins. One member, Frank Sturgis, claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time."In November 1963 Jack Crichton was involved in the arrangements of the visit that Kennedy made to Dallas. His close friend, Deputy Police Chief George L. Lumpkin, and a fellow member of the Dallas Army Intelligence Reserve Unit, drove the pilot car of Kennedy's motorcade. Also in the car was Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer.In the Warren Commission Report it stated that Jack Crichton arranged for a member of the local Russian community, Ilya Mamantov, to work for the Dallas Police Department as a translator for Russian-born Marina Oswald shortly after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Crichton's volunteer translated for Oswald during her initial questioning by the Dallas authorities in the hours immediately after her husband Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested. According to Russ Baker, the author of Family of Secrets (2009), there "were far from literal translations of her Russian words and had the effect of implicating her husband in Kennedy's death." }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} this from Robert Howard = DMN 11-16-196510 Dallas reserve Units Included In InactivationBy Gene OrmsbyFourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division,are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhouncommander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin.Some 1,000 reservists are attached to these units, but one local militarysource said other units may be moved in from other areas to help absorbthe personnel.Dallas bases with the 90th Infantry Division which would be inactivatedby the Pentagon order include:HEADQUARTERS DIVISION ARTILLERY; Headquarters and HeadquartersCo., 3rd Infantry Brigade; 90th Division Band; Military Police Co.;Headquarters and Service Battery, Battery A and B of the 3rd HowitzerBattalion, 12th Artillery; Co. D of the 790th Maintenance Battalion;Headquarters and Headquarters Co. and Co. A of the 1st Battalion,359th Infantry; Co. A of the 2nd Battalion 359th Infantry;All of these units are based at the Muchert Reserve Center10031 E. Northwest Highway, and include about 800 reservists.Other units expected to get the ax include the 363rd EngineeringGroup's Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment;the 327th Military Intelligence Detachment (Armed ForcesCensorship) the 406th Military Intelligence Detachment(Armed Forces Censorship) and Co. B of the 719thTransportation Battalion, all based at the Herzog Reserve Centerat 4900 S. Lancaster.Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commandersaid the same units were listed more than a month ago byDefense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded.McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Divisionwould be disbandedWhitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders fromGen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to threemonths. The Colonel speculated that in another location where theunit is sharing facilities with a 90th Division unit which is beingdisbanded the remaining outfit might be moved to another location,hopefully Dallas."I hope they have something in mind to offset the loss," Whitmeyersaid.Dallas personnel in the abolished units may be able to transfer toremaining reserve units to complete their military obligation,Calhoun said.Other alternatives include enrollment in an Army Reserve schoolor transfer to National Guard units or to a ready reservereinforcement pool.Calhoun said the ready reserves or "select force"will qualify members for a 50 per cent increase in drill payas announced by the Pentagon.150,000 reservists and Guardsmen will compose thefull strength force."I do not anticipate that all Dallas personnel will find a vacancyin other reserves of the Guard." Calhoun added. "If they cannot,school courses leading to retirement will be made available."Col. George Lumpkin, a member of the Dallas police force is head of the DallasReserve School. Edited March 19, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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