Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) From Richard Bartholomew... http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/17th_Issue/rambler1.html "From 1952 to 1954, Pittsburgh's Mannarino brothers (Samuel and Gabriel) were part-owners, with Trafficante of Havana's San Souci Hotel, managed by Norman "Rough-house" Rothman, a syndicate figure in both Miami and Havana. Rothman co-owned the nearby Tropicana with Meyer and Jake Lansky. The man they hired to be their casino boss was Lewis J. McWillie -- Jack Ruby's friend and idol. Both Mannarino brothers are said to have participated in Syndicate gun-smuggling to Castro in 1958, along with Vito Genovese's son Michael. The Warren Commission mentions Ruby's role as middleman in the sale of jeeps to Cuba and the release of prisoners from a Cuban prison (R 369). But the Commission ignored testimony by Nancy Perrin Rich that she had witnessed Ruby in gunrunning negotiations with her husband, a colonel, a Cuban, and "unless I am very much mistaken...Vito Genovese's son." (14 H 353). Ruby's contact in these ventures (on behalf of "a person in Las Vegas, Nevada") was Robert Ray McKeown..." Andrew St. George, the man who may have captured George Wing in his 1961 photograph of E. Howard Hunt's men in Miami, was reportedly heavily involved with two men who were in turn connected to the Mannarino brothers and the Havana Hilton. St. George was named by informed witnesses before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee as one of three Americans who were prominent in Castro's campaign against Batista, along with James Gentry and "gunrunning pilot Frank Fiorini [sturgis]." Subcommittee Counsel Sourwine described St. George as an American double agent. According to Scott, "...U.S. intelligence agents such as Jules Dubois of Army Intelligence and Andrew St. George were allied with Syndicate figures such as Norman Rothman [the close associate of the Mannarino brothers] in efforts which supported Castro in 1958 but swiftly turned against him [by September 1959]." As mentioned earlier, St. George, after the assassination, had given a false story -- about Castro plots against U.S. ambassadors -- to the Free Cuba Committee, headed by Eladio Del Valle and Loran Eugene Hall. By 1965, St. George was serving as a publicity agent for Manolo Ray, "the engineer in charge of the Havana Hilton, co-conspirator with Dubois against Batista, and personal friend of Sylvia Odio. ...The one man on the Commission's staff who would have easily seen the red flags in a General Dynamics employee introducing Oswald to the CIA connected Russian community in Dallas, was assistant Counsel Albert E. Jenner. Jenner was put in charge of investigating the possibility of a conspiracy in the assassination. He was also Henry Crown's [Dir. Hilton Hotels, Havana Hilton, leading stockholder General Dynamics] attorney in 1964. Considering this inexcusable conflict of interest, his conclusion comes as no surprise. He wrote that, "Review of Oswald's life and activities since 1959...did not produce any meaningful evidence of a conspiracy...." Nor did the Commission's investigation of Jack Ruby "produce any grounds for believing that Ruby's killing of Oswald was part of a conspiracy" (R 374, emphasis added). Jenner, who carefully chose the Warren Report's wording as one of its key authors, was sitting on the board of directors of General Dynamics by 1970 with his former client Henry Crown. In 1974, Nixon approved the appointment of Mr. Jenner as minority counsel for the House Judiciary's investigation into his impeachment." -- oh, From Bartholomew... http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/17th_Issue/rambler1.html um. are you effin' kidding me...!? no. there's no evidence of a conspiracy... Edited June 21, 2015 by Glenn Nall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 i should have made the subject "no meaningful evidence of a conspiracy." how cute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Glenn Nall, When you first appeared here, I took you lightly. You seemed to me to be conventional. So I wrote you off. This comment of yours resets my thinking. Thanks, and keep posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 thnk you, Jon - i'm conventional only when it makes most sense. this is some convoluted stuff, and good reason doesn't come easy. you probably would not be surprised how many different theories i've guaranteed over the years. thanks again. i do want to be able to contribute as well as learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 i was looking for some material which would offer a goodly list of "names on the fringe" and came across Bartholomew's story of the Rambler. It's more than I could have hoped for - that little snippet i just posted floored me; the clear albeit indirect connections between the MI complex and the mafia AND the White House. how can people see that and not at least step back for a minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Glenn - you mention Scott. Which book or article? It seems to me that Peter Dale Scott is the only researcher who suspects Sourwine and some of the Senators on the Internal Security Subcommittee of some involvement. Yet in my reading of things the Otto Otepka story leads directly not to RFK, as is the usual spin, but to the Subcommittee, to who he was reporting. This is an under explored area in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) this is copied from R Bartholomew's piece on the Rambler - quite fascinating - yes, i was reading about Otto in that piece last night. the link is at the bottom of my quote. I spose i should have put the "citation" at the top... he mentions Scott often, and he mentioned Sourwine in passing, assuming i knew the name (Bart's assuming a well schooled reader, in fact). And the ISubcommittee, and... and... Edited June 21, 2015 by Glenn Nall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Glenn - I have read that long and weird article. Hard to know what to make of it. Hard to fact check things like pages torn from books in the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Nall Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 it was my understanding that those "missing pages" was a very small part of all of the other things he stated, all of the connections of people that he went through to get to these books and this car had nothing to do with them except perhaps after the fact. these torn pages, although intriguing, have nothing to do with a lot of the really interesting stuff, such as what i quoted in this thread. all that seems pretty fact-checkable to me. all of these people connected to UT, for instance. that's pretty odd, i you ask me. i find his writing without agenda or bias, well written and sincere. that may sound 'trite' but in my life experience i've learned to hear the lack of sincerity and genuineness pretty well. the clowns who are trying to sell something are usually pretty obvious. in any case, i'm enjoying the reading - and as i stated, i found it strictly seeking something that would provide names of people on the outskirts. i've learned quite a lot, regardless of whether this car story is a load of crap or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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