Pat Speer Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) While I disagree with Pat Speer regarding the location of the skull exit wound, I would like to know the following: 1) How was it that the Harper fragment ended up 100 ft. forward of Kennedy at Z frame 313? 2) If the Harper fragment is occipital bone, how is it that it doesn't have on its interior surface the ridges and grooves characteristic of occipital bone, as Pat pointed out on a photo he posted earlier? What do Drs. Mantik and Chesser have to say about that? Stay tuned...more to come. Note: Speer did not post a "photo" of the occipital interior surface. Rather, it appears to be an artist's rendering. It's called an anatomy drawing, Greg. They are created so that anatomy students know what the body normally looks like, as opposed to a photo of an individual specimen, which may have some unusual features. All the other anatomy drawings of the occipital bone I have looked at --probably upwards of a hundred--show these same features...which are not apparent on the Harper fragment. Dr. Mantik himself published one such drawing. He also published a photo of the occipital bone of an actual skull. Here it is: Note that Mantik has added a bunch of arrows and letters along the middle of the bone, which serves to hide, accidentally or not, that there is a raised ridge down the middle of the bone. This raised ridge is nowhere to be seen on the Harper fragment... Note that the image of the fragment below is vastly over-sized in comparison to the photo of the occipital bone above, and that, even so, the thin line down the middle of the fragment is still far narrower than the mountain range above. The Harper fragment was almost certainly not occipital bone, and was most definitely not from the middle of the occipital bone where Mantik places it. Edited March 10, 2016 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 If the Harper fragment is occipital bone, how is it that it doesn't have on its interior surface the ridges and grooves characteristic of occipital bone, as Pat pointed out on a photo he posted earlier? What do Drs. Mantik and Chesser have to say about that? Note: Speer did not post a "photo" of the occipital interior surface. Rather, it appears to be an artist's rendering. It's called an anatomy drawing, Greg. They are created so that anatomy students know what the body normally looks like, as opposed to a photo of an individual specimen, which may have some unusual features. It's easy to see why drawings are used instead of photos in anatomy classes. In the photo above of an occipital bone, it's hard to make out the ridges and grooves that are so prominent on the drawing. Because of that, the Harper fragment doesn't look as near as different from the photo of an occipital bone as it does from the anatomy drawing of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Roberdeau Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Good Day.... With respect to the "Harper skull fragment," to quote MALCOLM KILDUFF during his 11-22-63 press conference inside Parkland Hospital.... "It's a simple matter," of precisely where that fragment was found in relation to President KENNEDY's Z-313 location.... http://i.imgur.com/jjnU2v8.gif Above is a Dealey Plaza scaled map (originally presented in the JOSIAH THOMPSON book “Six Seconds in Dallas,” from a map surveyed in 1964 by Dallas County Surveyor ROBERT WEST) on which 11-22-63 college medical student WILLIAM “Billy” ALLEN HARPER later marked for us where he found the “Harper skull fragment" on 11-23-63 at about 5:30 PM CDT. (for this digital copy of the map that Mr. HARPER marked where he found the skull fragment, I digitally added JFK’s Z-313 location at the blue “X", and I colored HARPER's fragment-found location “X" in red to highlight where Mr. HARPER marked the location he found that JFK skull fragment forward and to the left of JFK’s Z-313 Elm Street location, and that was also forward and to the right of JFK's Z-312 head-leftward facing direction). http://i.imgur.com/ENHkRd8.gif (Thank You + Hat Tip to Chris Davidson) Very importantly.... In an epiphany moment for many ----but, a still living-in-denial moment by some---- in the above ORVILLE NIX film cropped segment captured at the time President KENNEDY’s head exploded we can fairly easily and clearly see a blasted-off head fragment (possibly/probably the “Harper skull fragment”) as it trajected forward of the President, and upward at a measurable 53 to 55 degrees-to-true-horizontal angle. (This same head fragment is also seen in the ZAPRUDER film starting at Z-313 when it trajected forward of the President, and upward) Best Regards in Research, + ++Don Donald Roberdeau United States NavyU.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walkerSooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearlyFor your key considerations + independent determinations....Homepages Website: "Men of Courage": President Kennedy-elimination Evidence, Witnesses, Photographers, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, Suspects, + Key Considerations.... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2009/08/1-men-of-courage-jfk-assassination_09.html The Dealey Plaza Detailed Map: Documented 11-22-63 Victims Precise Locations + Reactions, Evidence, Witnesses Locations, Photographers, Suspected Bullet Trajectories, Outstanding Researchers Discoveries, + Important Information + Key Considerations, in One Convenient Resource.... http://i.imgur.com/rGmmWxD.gif ( updated map, + new information ) Discovery: Very Close JFK Assassination Witness ROSEMARY WILLIS'sZapruder Film Documented 2nd Head Snap: West, Ultrafast, and Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll .... http://droberdeau.blogspot.com/2011/01/discovery-close-jfk-assassination.html Visual Report: The First Bullet Impact Into President Kennedy: While JFK was Still Hidden Under the "Magic-limbed-ricochet-tree".... http://i.imgur.com/rfRH5jX.gif Visual Report: Reality Versus C.A.D. : the Real World, versus, Garbage-in-garbage-out.... http://i.imgur.com/r8Ga26x.gif T ogetherE veryoneA chievesM ore For the United States: http://www.dhs.gov Edited March 16, 2016 by Don Roberdeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted March 11, 2016 Author Share Posted March 11, 2016 2) If the Harper fragment is occipital bone, how is it that it doesn't have on its interior surface the ridges and grooves characteristic of occipital bone, as Pat pointed out on a photo he posted earlier? What do Drs. Mantik and Chesser have to say about that? [emphasis added] Stay tuned...more to come. Note: Speer did not post a "photo" of the occipital interior surface. Rather, it appears to be an artist's rendering. It's called an anatomy drawing, Greg. Artists rendition--anatomical drawing--whatever you choose to call it is irrelevant for the sake of this point. The point is that it is not a "photo" as Sandy mistakenly referred to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 This subject is covered in a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Can anyone see the shooter in the upper left corner? It looks like he's leaning on a white car and is shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Can anyone see the shooter in the upper left corner? It looks like he's leaning on a white car and is shooting. Well, I sort of see a guy who seems to be standing up on something right next to the vehicle that is keeping him raised up. Years ago, before I began reading books on the assassination, I came across an article or something where it was explained that a vehicle had been driven and parked up in that area. I only vaguely remember reading it. I thought it was some kind of work truck, maybe with a covered back. Reading that left me with the impression it was white, but I'm not sure of that. The truck was obviously significant in some way. (Maybe someone was supposedly shooting from it. Or it belonged to Ruby. Something that I now can't recall.) Does this ring a bell with anybody? I haven't seen anything about it since, and this photo reminds me of the story. Edited April 23, 2016 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 This is a MEDICAL EVIDENCE thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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