Thomas Graves Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) On 4/2/2018 at 3:51 PM, Michael Clark said: Bart, you need to put up or........ as well. Without making a thesis about it, and trying to stay on topic, make a case against Doyle, Tommy's.... whatever, and Sandy's mistakes. So, you won a Lancer award. You're resting on your laurels, sinking low, disrespecting the forum and its membership, and hardly rising above Tommy's antics. Bart, what you got? Let's see it. Michael, Thanks. I couldn't agree more. (Although I probably would have tried to state it a little more diplomatically than you did.) -- TG Edited April 11, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said: Vanessa, That's an excellent question. Perhaps, for some "strange" reason, to protect her identity? IDK -- TG Tommy Buell has already identified the person he spoke to as 'Sarah'. There was only one Sarah on the steps - Sarah Stanton. So Buell has outed this person but now wants to protect her identity? I'm afraid that doesn't really fly. I can't think of any reasons that Buell might want to protect Sarah's identity - especially after he's already identified her. I can think of a lot of reasons why he might not want to identify Oswald as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Vanessa Loney said: Tommy Buell has already identified the person he spoke to as 'Sarah'. There was only one Sarah on the steps - Sarah Stanton. So Buell has outed this person but now wants to protect her identity? I'm afraid that doesn't really fly. I can't think of any reasons that Buell might want to protect Sarah's identity - especially after he's already identified her. I can think of a lot of reasons why he might not want to identify Oswald as PM. Vanessa, Do you think Frazier conspired with the bad guys in the assassination or its coverup? If so, how many other TSBD employees do you believe did that, too? Truly, Campbell, Shelley, Lovelady, Frazier, Dougherty, Reid (?), ... Am I missing anyone? -- TG Edited April 11, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said: Vanessa, Do you think Frazier conspired with the bad guys in the assassination or its coverup? If so, how many other TSBD employees do you believe did something similar? Truly, Campbell, Shelley, Lovelady, Frazier, Dougherty, Reid (?), ... Am I missing anyone? -- TG In the same TSBD Museum interview you've referred to Buell said his family was threatened. He said he could deal with threats to himself but his family was a different thing. I don't think Buell knew anything else about the assassination except that Oswald wasn't guilty. Shelley was CIA and I've heard from a reliable source who will soon be revealing his research (ahem) that Truly has intelligence connections. Have you read James Douglas "JFK and the Unspeakable'? You need to turn your view of the world upside down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) On 4/11/2018 at 5:09 AM, Vanessa Loney said: In the same TSBD Museum interview you've referred to Buell said his family was threatened. He said he could deal with threats to himself but his family was a different thing. I don't think Buell knew anything else about the assassination except that Oswald wasn't guilty. Shelley was CIA and I've heard from a reliable source who will soon be revealing his research (ahem) that Truly has intelligence connections. Have you read James Douglas "JFK and the Unspeakable'? You need to turn your view of the world upside down. Vanessa, Yes, I have. Eons ago. At the time it thought it was a good book, but for the parts about the big military plane's landing and taking off from the bank of the Trinity River, and the Yates story, and ... I need to turn my view of the world upside down? Haven't you noticed that I've already done just that, Vanessa? After all, I used to believe (as you and Brian Doyle and Sandy Larsen and James DiEugenio and ... gasp ... Michael Clark ... and ... so many others ... still do) that the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK! Regardless, I take it you don't think Doyle should be let back on the Forum? -- TG Edited April 17, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I'm pretty sure The Education Forum was never structured as a democracy, where membership is concerned. So don't look for that to start today. Or tomorrow. Or next week. And Mr. Graves, I congratulate you on your Trejo-esque move to turn this into yet another thread on Prayer Man/Woman. Your "speculate for me so I can tell you how stupid your speculation is, compared to my own speculation" form of questioning other members is so condescending that I'm beginning to wonder if you and Mr. Trejo are in cahoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said: Vanessa, Yes, I have. Eons ago. At the time it thought it was a good book, but for the parts about the big military plane's landing and taking off from the bank of the Trinity River, and the Yates story, and ... I need to turn my view of the world upside down? Haven't you noticed that I've already done just that, Vanessa? After all, I, like you and Brian Doyle and Sandy Larsen and ... gasp ... Michael Clark ... and .......... used to believe that the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK. But, uh, ... do we digress here? I take it you don't think Doyle should be let back on the Forum? -- TG Douglas was accurate about the way the CIA operated in other agencies. After all until a few months ago we all 'knew' that Earle Cabell wasn't CIA, right? Please don't tell me that you now think Oswald did it? You can't possibly believe that. Doyle's behaviour speaks for itself. The mods made the right decision the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) On 4/11/2018 at 5:43 AM, Mark Knight said: I'm pretty sure The Education Forum was never structured as a democracy, where membership is concerned. So don't look for that to start today. Or tomorrow. Or next week. And Mr. Graves, I congratulate you on your Trejo-esque move to turn this into yet another thread on Prayer Man/Woman. Your "speculate for me so I can tell you how stupid your speculation is, compared to my own speculation" form of questioning other members is so condescending that I'm beginning to wonder if you and Mr. Trejo are in cahoots. No, Mark. My handler told me a long time ago to not EDIT ALERT: ally myself with Paul Trejo, but I must admit that I did "go rogue" once when I gratefully accepted his having finally accepted, a couple of years ago, my discovery that the "Neck Scratcher" monitoring Oswald in New Orleans in August, 1963, was none other than that old CIA rogue, ... gasp ... David Sanchez Morales. -- TG Edited April 12, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 On 11/04/2018 at 10:56 PM, Thomas Graves said: No, Mark. My handler told me a long time ago to not EDIT ALERT: ally myself with Paul Trejo, but I must admit that I did "go rogue" once when I gratefully accepted his having finally accepted, a couple of years ago, my discovery that the "Neck Scratcher" monitoring Oswald in New Orleans in August, 1963, was none other than that old CIA rogue, ... gasp ... David Sanchez Morales. -- TG Tommy I see that you have ducked the opportunity to give us your theory on who did it. You keep inviting us to offer speculative views. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Do you now think Oswald did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vanessa Loney said: ..... Do you now think Oswald did it? Vanessa, Castro Khrushchev or ... gasp ... Lee Harvey Oswald (either per Pacepa, or all by him witting-or-unwitting CIA Asset frustrated-widdle-self) (I can almost hear James "OMG!" DiEugenio a-workin' up a sweat right now ... ) -- TG PS Who do you think killed JFK, Vanessa? Do you have a full-blown theory? PPS Why do you say the moderators were right to ban Brian Doyle? Edited April 14, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) edited Edited April 14, 2018 by Bart Kamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 On 14/04/2018 at 7:37 PM, Thomas Graves said: Vanessa, Castro Khrushchev or ... gasp ... Lee Harvey Oswald (either per Pacepa, or all by him witting-or-unwitting CIA Asset frustrated-widdle-self) (I can almost hear James "OMG!" DiEugenio a-workin' up a sweat right now ... ) -- TG PS Who do you think killed JFK, Vanessa? Do you have a full-blown theory? PPS Why do you say the moderators were right to ban Brian Doyle? Really? Castro or Khrushchev or Oswald (who you are saying was a CIA asset but that had nothing to do with the assassination??). Well you are nailing your colours to the mast with that line up. What's your evidence for believing in any of those 3 as actors? Let's hear your evidence first then I'll give you mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) On 4/11/2018 at 12:20 PM, Thomas Graves said: Michael, Thanks. I couldn't agree more. (Although I probably would have tried to state it a little more diplomatically than you did.) -- TG Michael Clark and Thomas Graves For two people who have thousands of posts as their 'credit' and nearly nothing of substance to show for in return, that would be the pot calling the kettle black. But others know I have posted enough here, more than the two of you combined, for quite a few years to come. Do something useful (research perhaps?) than just posting opinions. Edited April 17, 2018 by Bart Kamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 17 hours ago, Bart Kamp said: Michael Clark and Thomas Graves For two people who have thousands of posts as their 'credit' and nearly nothing of substance to show for in return, that would be the pot calling the kettle black. But others know I have posted enough here, more than the two of you combined, for quite a few years to come. Do something useful (research perhaps?) than just shouting your Edited by Admin Hey Barto I think the calibre of those coming to your defence indicates the respect in which you are held. I don't see anyone sticking up for the others. We all know the difference between researchers and disrupters. How are you doing? I was really shocked to hear you returned your award. If you don't mind me asking, what on earth happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 14/04/2018 at 7:37 PM, Thomas Graves said: Vanessa, Castro Khrushchev or ... gasp ... Lee Harvey Oswald (either per Pacepa, or all by him witting-or-unwitting CIA Asset frustrated-widdle-self) (I can almost hear James "OMG!" DiEugenio a-workin' up a sweat right now ... ) -- TG PS Who do you think killed JFK, Vanessa? Do you have a full-blown theory? PPS Why do you say the moderators were right to ban Brian Doyle? Tommy? No evidence yet? Or is it just 'not the CIA' and 'any commie' who did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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