Cliff Varnell Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lance Payette said: And this from someone who prefers to believe in two closely aligned entrance wounds with no exit wounds caused by dissolving bullets fired by shooters at the rear and front. OK. No, such was the speculation of the autopsists the night of the autopsy with the body in front of them The autopsists speculated JFK was struck with a high tech round that wouldn't show up in the autopsy. Quote The marker on the shirt moves in Zimmerman’s demonstration. No, they edited it. They show Stan sitting down and raising his arm but they don't take the x-ray in the same shot. They required hundreds of takes, the shirt and jacket kept falling after they pulled them up. Quote But in Conspiracy World, of course, the entire demonstration and documentary were – uh-huh – a conspiracy. It's a fraud. The same fraud you're pushing. Maybe you could round up a 5 year old of average intelligence who can explain to you it's not possible to elevate multiple inches of shirt and jacket above the base of the neck without pushing up on the jacket collar. Quote There are dozens of photos of JFK’s jacket bunched up around his neck, sometimes to a grotesque degree. Not on Elm St. The shirt collar is visible above the top of the jacket collar in all those photos. Lance Payette can't see this due to cognitive impairment brought on by severe confirmation bias. Edited August 13, 2019 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lance Payette said: But a billowy cotton dress shirt will indeed bunch up to an extent beneath the jacket. Indeed. Such as this photo below (which is the photo that Cliff loves to hate).... Edited August 14, 2019 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Indeed. Such as this photo below (which is the photo that Cliff loves to hate).... David Von Pein is so cognitively impaired by a severe case of confirmation bias he can't see the shirt fold was elevated above the top of the shirt collar. Confirmation bias prevents Von Pein from seeing the normal amount of shirt collar above the top of the jacket collar in the Elm St. photos, which means the jacket collar wasn't elevated at all. David, do you know any small children who could show you how clothing moves? If so, they can stop you from promoting a fraud. Edited August 14, 2019 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) Don't ya love Cliff Varnell's amazing supernatural ability to be able to see right through JFK's jacket in the Croft picture? How did you manage to do that, Cliff? Please tell us your secret for seeing through solid objects in order to promote a theory that you know you can never prove if your life hung in the balance. I anxiously await Cliff's spectacularly inept reply. Edited August 14, 2019 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Don't ya love Cliff Varnell's amazing supernatural ability to be able to see right through JFK's jacket in the Croft picture? Von Pein has a supernatural inability to see that JFK's jacket collar was in it's normal position in the Croft photo, the lower margin of the jacket collar was just above the base of the neck where Von Pein claims multiple inches of shirt and jacket were all wadded up. What do we call someone actively promoting an obvious fraud? Starts with an 'L' and rhymes with 'friar.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: JFK's jacket collar was in [its] normal position in the Croft photo... Who cares? We know (and can easily see) that another part of that same jacket WAS definitely "bunched up" on JFK's back. Edited August 14, 2019 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Who cares? Only people interested in the truth. Which lets you and Payette off the hook. Quote We know (and can easily see) that another part of that same jacket WAS definitely "bunched up" on JFK's back. Of course it was. The bullet hole in the shirt is 4" below the bottom of the collar. The hole in the jacket is 4.125" below the bottom of the collar. The jacket was bunched up 1/8". Quote What do we call it when someone denies an obvious fact that they can see with their own two eyeballs? A T3 denier. Edited August 14, 2019 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: What do we call someone actively promoting an obvious fraud? A JFK conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, David Von Pein said: A JFK conspiracy theorist. And out with a whimper he goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: The jacket was bunched up 1/8". Don't ya love it when a JFK conspiracy fantasist just makes up things that he cannot possibly know with such "one-eighth of an inch" precision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, David Von Pein said: Don't ya love it when a JFK conspiracy fantasist just makes up things that he cannot possibly know with such "one-eighth of an inch" precision? Don't ya love it when a nutter can't do the math -- 4 and 1/8 minus 4 equals 1/8. Surely there must be some small children in your neighborhood who can explain this to you, David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: Don't ya love it when a nutter can't do the math -- 4 and 1/8 minus 4 equals 1/8. Once again, we're treated to Cliff's extraordinary X-ray vision. He can SEE that JFK's shirt is not bunched-up at all. Not even a fraction of an inch. The level of Varnell's arrogance is close to becoming legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: Once again, we're treated to Cliff's extraordinary X-ray vision. He can SEE that JFK's shirt is not bunched-up at all. Not even a fraction of an inch. The level of Varnell's arrogance is close to becoming legendary. You claim to "see" the shirt is wadded up multiple inches entirely above the base of the neck even though the jacket collar wasn't elevated at all. Your hypocrisy is well-established, tho I'd stop short of calling it legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said: You claim to "see" the shirt is wadded up multiple inches entirely above the base of the neck even though the jacket collar wasn't elevated at all. ONE hole in the shirt. ONE hole in the jacket. ONE hole in JFK's upper back (which we know was located 14 centimeters below the tip of JFK's right mastoid process). Surely there must be some small children in your neighborhood who can explain this easy math to you, Cliff. Edited August 14, 2019 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, David Von Pein said: ONE hole in the shirt. ONE hole in the jacket. ONE hole in JFK's upper back (which we know was 14cm. below the tip of JFK's right mastoid process). False. Those measurements were not taken at the time of the autopsy. Why do you continue to push this fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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