What prevented Dulles & Angleton from destroying the Zapruder film?

[Jeremy Bojczuk]

Jack White was a top-class fruitcake. You name it, he thought it was faked: the Zapruder film, most of the other assassination images, the moon landings, the planes flying into the World Trade Center, Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald. All fakes!

White's appearance before the HSCA doesn't give him any credibility. The opposite, in fact. His ignorance got him shredded:

http://www.clavius.org/white-test.html

He didn't understand the simple fact that when you photograph an object from slightly different angles, the proportions of the object (in this case, the sixth-floor rifle) will change. White thought this meant that they were actually different rifles. He was an idiot.

Few people have done more than Jack White to tarnish the public image of rational criticism of the lone-nut theory.

Anyone who stumbles upon White's video and is tempted to believe a word he says should search for any obvious alternative explanations. There are plenty around. You could start here:

http://www.jfk-info.com/moot1.htm

That page contains plenty of links to articles critical of the whole 'Zapruder film is a fake' anomaly-hunting nonsense, including non-existent anomalies with the Stemmons Freeway sign.

Thanks for that link to Josiah Thompson's article, Jonathan. I hadn't been aware of that one. Incidentally, the Moorman-in-the-street nonsense was thoroughly and easily debunked more than 20 years ago, as Thompson explains here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Bedrock_Evidence_in_the_Kennedy_Assassination.html

The moral of the story is: if you think there's something wrong with this or that part of the Zapruder film, make an effort to see if common-sense explanations exist before claiming that it's a fake.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Jeremy Bojczuk
Corrected a typo

[Jeremy Bojczuk]

David G. Healy writes:

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If you have no conception or idea what the official results of the 1964 WCR, nor what Rollie Zavada's conclusions are, forget asking any questions regarding the Zapruder Film.

I am well acquainted with the Warren Report, thank you very much, and with Mr Zavada's report, which demolishes from a technical point of view the claim that the Zapruder film in the National Archives is not the one that was in Zapruder's own camera. Zavada's report by itself refutes the claim that this part of the Zapruder film, or that part, or the whole film, is a fake.

Anyone who's interested in reading Zavada's report can find a link to it here, along with articles discussing the report:

http://www.jfk-info.com/moot1.htm

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plenty of author's hereabouts ... your gamin' it, Dude

It would be in your own interest to click on the links I included a few posts ago. The Oatmeal contains a number of useful and amusing tutorials on the accepted usage of English, for the benefit of those whose command of the language is limited. As well as being amusing, they are concise, which readers with a short attention span will appreciate. Most of the time, they also use simple words, a feature which some people might find helpful.

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take your Lone Nut, LHO did it all by his lonesome game

Reading comprehension clearly isn't David's specialist subject. He keeps coming out with this mistaken claim, that anyone who objects to the most far-fetched and over-elaborate conspiracy theories must subscribe to the lone-nut theory.

Does anyone share David's belief? If you do, you're wrong. It's quite possible to claim that the JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy of some sort, without claiming that everything connected with the assassination was a conspiracy.

Now, David G. Healy, it's time for you to justify your apparent belief that the Zapruder film was altered. Since Paul Rigby (any relation to Raul Pigby?) brought up the matter of the presidential limousine swerving to the left and coming to a halt in the left-hand lane, let's start with that example.

As I asked earlier, tell us exactly how it happened that all the relevant home movies and photographs were altered to disguise this left-hand swerve. There are three home movies and two still photographs that agree with the Zapruder film on this point. How were they all faked?

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[Paul Rigby]

A further piece of house-keeping following previous posts, and one that illustrates yet again how the espionage past does telescope into the future of intelligence work: Why did the small, independent Metromedia TV group get the privilege of debuting – on its New York flagship, WNEW-TV - the first version of the Z fake on US television? The answer lies in the name and career of its owner, John W Kluge; and the preference of the Dallas coup plotters for deploying seasoned oak at the plot’s major stress points. The extract to follow is from a recent post by a well-informed Russian journalist: 

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Kluge is known all over the world as a tycoon who bought up media assets in different countries. However, a number of no-no sources reported him as a high-ranking American intelligence officer. As the journalist Oleg Lurie told us, Kluge was responsible for the US intelligence agencies during World War II for the export of German prisoners of war, including even Wernher von Braun, who were valuable to the Americans. The goal was to create for Washington the maximum superiority over the USSR in the nuclear race. At the same time, a number of sources report that the division led by Kluge P.O. Box 1142 (District of Columbia) is famous for its sadistic torture of prisoners.

John Kluge died in 2010, but we managed to find an interesting document – a transcript of a fragment of a recording of a US Congress meeting, which contains an appeal to honour the memory of the deceased secret US intelligence officer John Kluge. Here is the most interesting quote from the document:

But perhaps his most important contribution was one that he is least known for. Mr Kluge enlisted in the United States Army in 1940. In 1942, during World War II, he was promoted to Captain and appointed as the senior officer at the top secret military intelligence post located in Fort Hunt Park, along the George Washington Memorial Parkway. The top secret post was known only by its mailing address. P.O. Box 1142. While there, Captain Kluge led the men and women at the post in reviewing top secret documents and performing interrogations of more than 4,000 important German prisoners of war. Through the efforts of his unit, our military was provided with crucial information that helped end World War II and give the United States an early advantage in the Cold War.

 

The Alsos mission extended – indeed, began – in Italy, where a youthful OSS officer called James Angleton was shortly to cross its path. Small world.

 210214 E Kucher, Navalny, Bellingcat & the Fifth Column in the FSB (Stalkerzone, 26pp)

The full tribute:

 [Congressional Record Volume 156, Number 133 (Wednesday, September 29, 2010)]

[Extensions of Remarks]

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From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]

                      HONORING MR. JOHN WERNER KLUGE

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                           HON. JAMES P. MORAN

 

                              of  Virginia

 

                    in the house of representatives

 

                     Wednesday, September 29, 2010

 Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Madam Speaker, I rise today to honor the accomplishments of Mr. John Werner Kluge, who recently passed away on September 7, 2010, in Charlottesville, Virginia. Mr. Kluge's lifetime of achievements included being a world-renowned businessman and philanthropist, as well as a key contributor to our national security during the Second World War. 

Mr. Kluge created Metromedia in 1960, which was the Nation's first major independent broadcasting entity, a conglomerate that grew to include seven television stations, 14 radio stations, the Harlem

Globetrotters, the Ice Capades, radio paging and mobile telephones. Although his success as a businessman supplied him with vast wealth, acknowledged as the wealthiest man in America in 1989 by Forbes Magazine, he believed some of his greatest achievements came from the benefits society gained from his wide-ranging donations. 

Mr. Kluge gave a total of more than $63 million to the University of Virginia throughout his lifetime, which has allowed one of our Nation's most prestigious Universities to maintain itself in the top-tier of

colleges nationwide. His donations to medical programs provided crucial aid to disabled and chronically ill children, while his involvement in prostate cancer research has led to groundbreaking advancements towards containing the disease once being detected. He also believed in the need for better end-of-life care, which led him and his wife, Tussi, to provide funding to establish professorships in the field at the

University of Virginia. In 2000, his generosity even reached the Capitol through his $73 million donation to the Library of Congress, of which he will always be remembered by the Kluge Prize for the Study of

Humanities. 

But perhaps his most important contribution was one that he is least known for. Mr. Kluge enlisted in the United States Army in 1940. In 1942, during World War II, he was promoted to Captain and appointed as the senior officer at the top secret military intelligence post located in Fort Hunt Park, along the George Washington Memorial Parkway. The top secret post was known only by its mailing address, P.O. Box 1142. While there, Captain Kluge led the men and women at the post in reviewing top secret documents and performing interrogations of more than 4,000 important German prisoners of war. Through the efforts of his unit, our military was provided with crucial information that helped end World War II and give the United States an early advantage in the Cold War. Even more impressive were the tactics he used to obtain such information. Rather than physical torture, Captain Kluge honored the Geneva Convention by obtaining information from prisoners through earning their trust. It was a clear contrast from the approach we initially pursued with captured terrorists and suspected terrorists at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib prisons. Through casual conversation, card games, and taking walks, he and his unit were able to extract vital information that led to the discovery of most of Germany's secret

weapons programs that included research to develop the atomic bomb, the jet engine, and the V-2 rocket. 

Madam Speaker, I wish to commend Mr. John W. Kluge on his lifelong accomplishments and contributions to society, as well as for the crucial service he provided our country with at a time of war. While he was a man of numerous successes, he was also a man of endless generosity. He refused to ask for recognition or acknowledgement for his numerous charitable donations, but instead preferred the 

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grins and smiles from those who knew him well. Mr. Kluge was not only an outstanding soldier and American, but most importantly an outstanding human being.

[David G. Healy]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

David G. Healy writes:

I am well acquainted with the Warren Report, thank you very much, and with Mr Zavada's report, which demolishes from a technical point of view the claim that the Zapruder film in the National Archives is not the one that was in Zapruder's own camera. Zavada's report by itself refutes the claim that this part of the Zapruder film, or that part, or the whole film, is a fake.

Anyone who's interested in reading Zavada's report can find a link to it here, along with articles discussing the report:

http://www.jfk-info.com/moot1.htm

It would be in your own interest to click on the links I included a few posts ago. The Oatmeal contains a number of useful and amusing tutorials on the accepted usage of English, for the benefit of those whose command of the language is limited. As well as being amusing, they are concise, which readers with a short attention span will appreciate. Most of the time, they also use simple words, a feature which some people might find helpful.

Reading comprehension clearly isn't David's specialist subject. He keeps coming out with this mistaken claim, that anyone who objects to the most far-fetched and over-elaborate conspiracy theories must subscribe to the lone-nut theory.

Does anyone share David's belief? If you do, you're wrong. It's quite possible to claim that the JFK assassination was the result of a conspiracy of some sort, without claiming that everything connected with the assassination was a conspiracy.

Now, David G. Healy, it's time for you to justify your apparent belief that the Zapruder film was altered. Since Paul Rigby (any relation to Raul Pigby?) brought up the matter of the presidential limousine swerving to the left and coming to a halt in the left-hand lane, let's start with that example.

As I asked earlier, tell us exactly how it happened that all the relevant home movies and photographs were altered to disguise this left-hand swerve. There are three home movies and two still photographs that agree with the Zapruder film on this point. How were they all faked?

lmfao! show us your film example(s) son, show us the in-camera originals you studied son, you're a newbie here son - what are your credentials to even discuss assassination photos/film... who are you to demand anything, justify anything to you? Who are you Jeremy? Why the Kennedy assassination, Jeremy? 

You do understand Zapruder film alteration is a distraction don't ya, Jeremy?

Ya do know a *conspiracy* murdered JFK, right, Jeremy?

What I love about 1964 died-I-the-wool WCR believers, they post by the pound especially when a sentence or a simple paragraph will do. Elitism and arrogance can't escape it... punctuation and spelling too... lol.

Have a nice day Jeremy, or whomever...

Character attacks on Jack White have no place here...

[Jeremy Bojczuk]

David G. Healy writes:

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what are your credentials to even discuss assassination photos/film

What credentials do you need, to point out flaws in people's thinking?

I don't suppose many people have better credentials in analysing the technical aspects of Kodachrome film than Roland Zavada and Raymond Fielding. Let's see what Prof Fielding has to say. He actually mentions David:

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in my judgment there is no way in which manipulation of these images could have been achieved satisfactorily in 1963 with the technology then available ... if such an attempt at image manipulation of the footage had occurred in 1963 the results could not possibly have survived scrutiny, and ... challenges regarding the authenticity of the NARA footage and assertions of image manipulation, as are suggested by Mr Healy in the document that you [Zavada] sent me, are technically naïve.

http://www.jfk-info.com/RJZ-DH-032010.pdf

In that document, which is well worth reading for anyone who thinks the Zapruder film is a fake, Zavada concludes:

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The very interesting twist to your [Doug Horne's] chapter is that it has done more to ensure the Zapruder film at NARA is authentic rather than altered.

Also worth reading is this thread:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22946-the-zapruder-film-and-film-information-between-the-sprocket-holes/

David 'technically naïve' Healy continues:

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Ya do know a *conspiracy* murdered JFK, right, Jeremy?

Yes, I think the evidence for that is pretty strong.

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What I love about 1964 died-I-the-wool WCR believers

Here we go again! Why does David equate skepticism about extreme conspiracy theories with acceptance of the lone-nut theory? It is perfectly possible to question both the lone-nut theory and all of the implausible conspiracy theories that are based on nothing more than anomaly-spotting and wishful thinking.

Clearly David isn't able to explain how all the films and photos I mentioned were faked. That isn't surprising, because faking them would have been not only an enormously difficult undertaking but also an impossible one in the limited time available.

Until someone comes up with a plausible, detailed account of how the necessary alterations could have been made, we can rule out the notion that JFK's car swerved into the left-hand lane and stopped at around the time of the fatal shot.

Perhaps Paul Rigby can help David here, since he brought up this particular example of fakery in the first place. How were the Zapruder film, the Muchmore film, the Nix film, the Bronson film, the Moorman photo, and the Altgens 7 photo all altered to cover up the car's swerve to the left?

It didn't happen, did it?