Paul Landis timeline

[K K Lane]

I've put together a Landis timeline drawn mainly from the other Landis thread.   Thanks to Vince for being awesome generally and specifically for providing such great detail on the other thread.

I'll update thread if corrections or additions come in.   

• October 1959 - Landis joins the secret service
• Night of November 21 - 22: Landis was evidently out drinking the night before and morning of the assassination.   He apparently
  left the bar at 5AM and reported for work at 8AM.   Per VP on the other thread.
• November 27th, 1963:  Landis seemingly reports hearing just two gunshots: the first from the rear/side right, the second from the front right (i.e. grassy knoll).   I say "seemingly" because as I first read this report Landis indicated three shots.   https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm
• November 30th: Landis extends his report of November 27th.
• ~May 1964: Landis leaves the Secret Service
• Fall 1964: Landis is not interviewed for the Warren report but his 11/27/1963 written report is included
• February 17, 1979: The HSCA, who interviewed Landis on February 17, 1979, noted: “Landis confirmed the accuracy of his statement 
  to the Warren Commission [sic: report submitted].”[HSCA Report, pp. 89, 606 (referencing Landis’s interview, 
• 1983.   Landis mentions the found fragment in the limo in the Coshocton Tribune.   He also persists in claiming there were only two bullets.   
• 1986.  According to Sam Kinney's neighbor Gary Loucks (reported publicly in 2013): SS Kinney admitted to Loucks  in 1986 to finding an extra bullet and putting it on a stretcher.
  The neighbor claims Kinney also said the shot came from the grassy knoll, there was smoke and a conspiracy was necessary because LHO couldn't have done it alone.  https://youtu.be/ZaW6k0N6ZzI
• 1988.   Landis essentially repeats his 1983 story to the Columbus Dispatch.   He says he picked up a bloody bullet fragment and handed it to "somebody."
• 2010.  In the book "The Kennedy Detail" (p. 353) Landis evidently changes his mind and says that the second bullet did not in fact
  come from the front.
• May 31st, 2012.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wENV85zx_S0         27:00 Landis recounts the shooting: hit, miss, head shot.  29:10 Landis took the president into "one of the rooms there [in the hospital]" but Landis did not go into the operating room where JFK was worked on; he was with Jackie.  41:00 Landis supports the LGT, but mentions that he originally thought that one shot came from right front.  He says LHO only hat to get off two more shots in 6.2 seconds because "the first shot was free" (i.e. the gun was loaded)
• 2014.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXg5sCdD4MY  Landis mentions a third shot (@1:10) 
• 2014.   Landis evidently exchanges emails with Clint Hill discussing the found-bullet and Clint Hill discourages Landis from going public.   Hill apparently recalls Landis saying he placed the bullet on a gurney in the hall, whereas later Landis says the gurney was in Trauma Room 1.
• February, 2023 -  Gary Loucks dies.
• 2016.   Landis oral history interview with the 6th floor museum.   It doesn't play for me.   https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/47223/paul-landis-oral-history
• September 9, 2023 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/new-jfk-assassination-revelation-upend-lone-gunman    "[Landis] claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1, he insists, he placed the bullet on a white cotton blanket on the president’s stretcher."

Edited September 14, 2023 by K K Lane

[K K Lane]

What stands out to me:

• Landis appears to finally have his clear recollection of a grassy knoll shooter beaten out of him after about 50 years.
• Is there a conflation of Loucks' story and Landis' story?   
• Why is Landis coming forward now with the found-bullet story since he's done many JFK talks over the last 20 years?   I grant that he had PTSD that steered him away from publicity for a few decades.

[Vince Palamara]

20 minutes ago, K K Lane said:

I've put together a Landis timeline drawn mainly from the other Landis thread.   Thanks to Vince for being awesome generally and specifically for providing such great detail on the other thread.

I'll update thread if corrections or additions come in.   

• October 1959 - Landis joins the secret service
• Night of November 21 - 22: Landis was evidently out drinking the night before and morning of the assassination.   He apparently
  left the bar at 5AM and reported for work at 8AM.   Per VP on the other thread.
• November 27th, 1963:  Landis seemingly reports hearing just two gunshots: the first from the rear/side right, the second from the front right (i.e. grassy knoll).   I say "seemingly" because as I first read this report Landis indicated three shots.   https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-landi.htm
• ~May 1964: Landis leaves the Secret Service
• Fall 1964: Landis is not interviewed for the Warren report but his 11/27/1963 written report is included
• February 17, 1979: The HSCA, who interviewed Landis on February 17, 1979, noted: “Landis confirmed the accuracy of his statement 
  to the Warren Commission [sic: report submitted].”[HSCA Report, pp. 89, 606 (referencing Landis’s interview, 
• 1986.  According to Sam Kinney's neighbor Gary Loucks (reported publicly in 2013): SS Kinney admitted to Loucks  in 1986 to finding an extra bullet and putting it on a stretcher.
  The neighbor claims Kinney also said the shot came from the grassy knoll, there was smoke and a conspiracy was necessary because LHO couldn't have done it alone.  https://youtu.be/ZaW6k0N6ZzI
• 2010.  In the book "The Kennedy Detail" (p. 353) Landis evidently changes his mind and says that the second bullet did not in fact
  come from the front.
• May 31st, 2012.     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wENV85zx_S0         27:00 Landis recounts the shooting: hit, miss, head shot.  29:10 Landis took the president into "one of the rooms there [in the hospital]" but Landis did not go into the operating room where JFK was worked on; he was with Jackie.  41:00 Landis supports the LGT, but mentions that he originally thought that one shot came from right front.  He says LHO only hat to get off two more shots in 6.2 seconds because "the first shot was free" (i.e. the gun was loaded)
• 2014.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXg5sCdD4MY  Landis mentions a third shot (@1:10) 
• 2016.   Landis oral history interview with the 6th floor museum.   It doesn't play for me.   https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/47223/paul-landis-oral-history
• September 9, 2023 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/new-jfk-assassination-revelation-upend-lone-gunman    "[Landis] claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1, he insists, he placed the bullet on a white cotton blanket on the president’s stretcher."

Thanks!

[Vince Palamara]

 

[Vince Palamara]

 

[K K Lane]

Five key areas:

• Shot count.   Landis said two shots in November 1963 which he repeated at least through 1983.   At some point he started saying three shots which is his current view.
• Found fragment.   Landis said nothing about a found fragment in the limo in his 1963 reports.   By 1983 he mentions finding a fragment in the limo; he reiterates that in 2010, and in 2023 the fragment has become a whole bullet - slightly deformed.
• Disposition of bullet/fragment.   In 1983, Landis claimed he gave the bullet fragment to somebody.   In 2010, Landis claimed he put the bullet fragment on the limo seat.   In 2023 he claims he put the whole bullet on a stretcher.
• Shots from the grassy knoll.   Landis identified the head shot as coming from the grassy knoll starting in 1963.   He persisted in that belief for four decades or so but now claims that there was no grassy knoll shot.
• CT.   Landis seems to have opposed the idea of a conspiracy initially and up until very recent years.

Edited September 11, 2023 by K K Lane