VIDEO: Snowstorm --- proof ammo that killed JFK was not jacketed

[Gil Jesus]

Dr. Gary Aguillar and Dr. Josiah Thompson discuss the "snowstorm" of fragments in President Kennedy's X-rays and conclude that jacketed ammunition would not leave such a trail.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Gil Jesus

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

The Carcano had a full thick Cu jacket (brass), & the jacket woz made in 2 halves (sorry re the tautology). 

The AR15 woz probly a  hollow point, with thin Cu partial jacket (zero brass).

The AR15 disintegrated in jfk's head leaving lots of small fragments & some not so small, & one largish remnant slug would have exited.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

The Carcano slug is not a lead core wrapped in Cu, it is a Cu jacket (brass actually) filled with lead.

Edited October 4, 2023 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I suppose that a LNer could say that Oswald could have manually cut slots in the nose of one of his rounds.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Jean Ceulemans]

2 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

The Carcano had a full thick Cu jacket, & the jacket woz made in 2 halves (sorry re the tautology). 

 

Sure about that ?

I thought the jacket was a 1-pc cup (a little longer than the leadcore), the lead core was placed in that cup, next the filled-"cup" was swaged around the lead core.

And there are a whole lot of different versions out there, from only lead, to copper plated, copper (and other metals) jacketed, etc

Just made a topic referring to an interesting page on the MC ammo

Edited October 3, 2023 by Jean Ceulemans

[Pat Speer]

It's true that an intact FMJ bullet doesn't leave a lead trail. That was bs pushed by Baden. But an FMJ bullet striking at an angle will explode and leave lead fragments at the entry site and just below the surface of the wound. The so-called trail of fragments is not a trail. It's a splat of fragments mostly almost entirely on the outside of the skull.

 

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

8 hours ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

Sure about that ?

I thought the jacket was a 1-pc cup (a little longer than the leadcore), the lead core was placed in that cup, next the filled-"cup" was swaged around the lead core.

And there are a whole lot of different versions out there, from only lead, to copper plated, copper (and other metals) jacketed, etc

Just made a topic referring to an interesting page on the MC ammo

I remember reading that the brass jacket was made in 2 halves, ie a pipe & a cup, which were fused together, then filled with lead.

Thats why the ricochet of Oswald's shot-1 offa the signal arm caused the jacket to break away plus break into 2, allways duz.

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[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

4 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

It's true that an intact FMJ bullet doesn't leave a lead trail. That was bs pushed by Baden. But an FMJ bullet striking at an angle will explode and leave lead fragments at the entry site and just below the surface of the wound. The so-called trail of fragments is not a trail. It's a splat of fragments mostly almost entirely on the outside of the skull.

 

Surely all of the fragments (in xray) of Hickey's shot were on the inside of the skull.

And fragments (in xray) of Oswald's ricochet (shot-1) were on the outside, in the galea, on the back right.

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[Pat Speer]

2 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

Surely all of the fragments (in xray) of Hickey's shot were on the inside of the skull.

And fragments (in xray) of Oswald's ricochet (shot-1) were on the outside, in the galea, on the back right.

Read the reports carefully. The top right quadrant of the brain was missing. So where then is this trail of fragments?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

Read the reports carefully. The top right quadrant of the brain was missing. So where then is this trail of fragments?

I admit that i have not studied the xray stuff. And i karnt remember whether the remnant brain was ever (taken out &) xrayed.

But there was mention of lots of fragments. As u say, praps there never was a clear trail.

I seem to recall that there have been tests of fragmentation in jelly -- did they leave trails? I suspect that a trail (of lead)(in jelly) formed a sausage, open near the entry, & closed near the end, with a large remnant slug further on. If a quadrant of brain was missing, then we would have a part of a sausage, which would be a trail. Or praps most of the sausage was ejected, dunno.

Menninger in Mortal Error, p57..........  "Yet Humes had reported "multiple minute metal fragments"embedded in the skull and brain along the apparent flight path of the bullet."

p75....... (Dr Fisher).......... "Well, for one thing, the bullet that hit him in the head disintegrated completely. We saw nearly forty fragments throughout the right cerebral hemisphere and embedded in the interior of the skull."

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

9 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

It's true that an intact FMJ bullet doesn't leave a lead trail. That was bs pushed by Baden. But an FMJ bullet striking at an angle will explode and leave lead fragments at the entry site and just below the surface of the wound. The so-called trail of fragments is not a trail. It's a splat of fragments mostly almost entirely on the outside of the skull.

 

 

Nope..........

Mortal Error by Menninger & Donahue........ p75....... (Dr Fisher).......... "Well, for one thing, the bullet that hit him in the head disintegrated completely. We saw nearly forty fragments throughout the right cerebral hemisphere and embedded in the interior of the skull."

p197.......... The bullet, everyone agreed, had disintegrated and sprayed a multitude of fragments across the right side of the brain. In one of the appendices the committee said: "...the anterior-posterior and lateral X-rays of the skull indicate that the vast majority of missile fragments moved in a cylindrical, slightly coned, pathway, in the same direction as the bullet's path prior to striking the skull."

p197 .......... The 1968 panel had cited "relatively large fragments, more or less randomly distributed... in the right cerebral hemisphere." They also noted a trail of tinier fragments 1.8 inches long that lined up with the entry hole and that the committee was ready to infer indicated "the bullet's" course, except that it petered out before reaching a point up front... where there was no defect in the skull.

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[Pat Speer]

6 hours ago, Marjan Rynkiewicz said:

 

Nope..........

Mortal Error by Menninger & Donahue........ p75....... (Dr Fisher).......... "Well, for one thing, the bullet that hit him in the head disintegrated completely. We saw nearly forty fragments throughout the right cerebral hemisphere and embedded in the interior of the skull."

p197.......... The bullet, everyone agreed, had disintegrated and sprayed a multitude of fragments across the right side of the brain. In one of the appendices the committee said: "...the anterior-posterior and lateral X-rays of the skull indicate that the vast majority of missile fragments moved in a cylindrical, slightly coned, pathway, in the same direction as the bullet's path prior to striking the skull."

p197 .......... The 1968 panel had cited "relatively large fragments, more or less randomly distributed... in the right cerebral hemisphere." They also noted a trail of tinier fragments 1.8 inches long that lined up with the entry hole and that the committee was ready to infer indicated "the bullet's" course, except that it petered out before reaching a point up front... where there was no defect in the skull.

 

You're citing Fisher. Priceless.