Edward McBee?

[Steve Thomas]

Edward McBee was interviewed by the FBI on December 19, 1963.

At that time he was a bartender working in several nightclubs in the Dallas area. He told the FBI that he was the bartender at the Carousel Club when it opened.

23H110-111 CE 1635.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol23_0071b.htm

He told the FBI that he had last seen Jack Ruby in September or October, 1963 and that he knew of no connection between Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby.

However;

in the HSCA Executive Transcripts of March 9, 1977 - p. 50 in the online version, p. 44 in the print version:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsc...-9-77_0050a.htm

Robert Tannenbaum told the HSCA that Edward McBee was recovering from cancer and that he had told another individual that approximately eleven (11) days prior to JFK's assassination, there was a meeting in the Club where he worked. Persons attending this meeting were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, Guy Bannister, Emilio Santana and four or five other individuals from New Orleans and Mexico City.

McBee supposedly positively identified a photograph of Guy Bannister.

On page 52, Tannenbaum said that McBee told this to researcher Gary Shaw.

Approximately eleven days before the assissination would be around November 11th.

Has anyone heard of this meeting before, and does anyone know enough about the schedules for LHO and Jack Ruby that could conceivably place them at such a meeting or rule it out altogether?

PS: the party that McBee describes for the FBI sounds an awful lot like the parties Pixie Lynn descibed to Travis Benkendorfer:

DPD Archives, Box 18, Folder# 11, Item# 3

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm

Steve Thomas

[John Geraghty]

Strange co-incidence, even it is irrelevant to the post.

Thats my birthday - November the 11th, the day the first world war ended.

John

[Ron Ecker]

Robert Tannenbaum told the HSCA that Edward McBee was recovering from cancer and that he had told another individual that approximately eleven (11) days prior to JFK's assassination, there was a meeting in the Club where he worked. Persons attending this meeting were Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, Guy Bannister, Emilio Santana and four or five other individuals from New Orleans and Mexico City.

McBee supposedly positively identified a photograph of Guy Bannister.

On page 52, Tannenbaum said that McBee told this to researcher Gary Shaw.

Approximately eleven days before the assissination would be around November 11th.

Has anyone heard of this meeting before, and does anyone know enough about the schedules for LHO and Jack Ruby that could conceivably place them at such a meeting or rule it out altogether?

Steve,

According to Armstrong's Harvey and Lee, there were three sightings of Oswald at the Carousel Club in November.

On 11/5, Marvin N. Lloyd was at the club, and at an adjoining table were a man he later identified as Oswald, a Mexican or Cuban about 30, and a light-complected 35-year-old man with blond hair. Lloyd said that Oswald caused such a disturbance with catcalls during a stripper's performance that Ruby threw him out of the room. Lloyd later saw Ruby talking with Oswald and heard Ruby say, "You've just simply got to have the balls to do it; it simply takes balls."

Sometime between 11/5 and 11/12, Wilbyrn Waldon (Robert) Litchfield II went to the Carousel for a meeting with Ruby, and Oswald was there waiting to see Ruby and met with Ruby first.

On 11/10, Harvey Lawill Wade was at the club and saw Oswald sitting with two other men, a pale, slender white male with long black hair, and a stocky Hispanic with bumps on his face and a scar on his left eyebrow. Wade said that Oswald participated in a memory act with emcee Bill DeMar. (DeMar told the SS that he thought he saw Oswald in the club between 11/11 and 11/16, and that he assisted him in his act.)

Something else happened on 11/10 of significance. According to Atlanta telephone operator Marion Hayes, a man at the Dogwood Motel in Chamblee, Georgia (outside of Atlanta) tried to place a call to Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans. After several attempts, the man gave her a number for Oswald in Dallas, which was completed on a second attempt. After midnight the man at the Chamblee motel placed a call to Jack Rubenstein in Dallas.

Hayes's story is supported by that of James Herbert Martin, who told the HSCA that he met the manager of an Atlanta motel who told him that one of his operators listened in on a call from a guest at the motel to Oswald, the gist of the conversation being that everything was ready to go and was all set up to proceed as planned. She then listened to a second call to Jack Ruby, in which the caller said that he knew what to do if anything went wrong.

The FBI did not check the records of the Dogwood Motel in Chamblee, nor the long distance records of the telephone company.

Ron

[Steve Thomas]

Ron,

Sometime between 11/5 and 11/12, Wilbyrn Waldon (Robert) Litchfield II went to the Carousel for a meeting with Ruby, and Oswald was there waiting to see Ruby and met with Ruby first.

Wilbyrn Litchfield testified before the Warren Commission on April 16, 1964. (14H95). In his police affidavit of December 2nd, he had spoken of a man he thought looked like Oswald wearing a V-necked white sweater in the Carousel.

In his WC testimony, he was shown a picture of photographer Eddie Rocco (Armstrong exhibit 5302 in 19H36) and asked if that man looked the man he saw, whom he thought looked like Oswald. Litchfield said no.

If the interrogator has gone two pictures over, Litchfield might have had more to say.

William Crowe aka Bill DeMar testified on June 2, 1964 (15H96) that he had told people on Sunday November 24th that he had seen a man in the Carousel a week before the assassination that he thought looked like Oswald, who had been in the first row, and whom he had used in his memory act.

Crowe was shown a series of pictures that the interrogator referred to as Crafard exhibits 5205, 5206, 5212 and 5221, but were actually a series of Armstrong exhibits 5303 I through M (19H36 +)

Crowe was asked if the man up on the stage in 5303 J (19H37) looked like the man he thought was Oswald. Crowe said no.

Crowe was asked if the man in 5303 K (19H38) with his side facing the camera and not smiling looked like the man he thought was Oswald. Crowe said no.

Take a look at 5303 J (19H37) and 5303 K (19H38) and see if you don't see a man in a white V-necked white sweater.

These pictures were apparently taken in the Carousel in the first week of November, right when Litchfield said he was there.

Steve Thomas