John Simkin Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Can anyone help Frank Cellura in his research: I was wondering if you had contact of anyone in Dallas area that could check Times-Herald and Morning News newspaper archives for copies of obituary, if one was posted, and news stories, if any, related to the suicidal death of a Dallas Police officer Maurice Baker also known as "Monk" that occurred about a week after assassination. This relates to my furthering of an investigation of the assassination of JFK. I would think it should not involve more than a half hour of research since I have exact date of death of this police officer. I would gladly reward the person for their troubles and time with a copy of yet-to-be released Kennedy assassination book that I found on amazon.com by Sturdivant that I would have shipped to the research volunteer. Can you assist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) John, If it will help, there is a thread on this officer on the Lancer Forum, though it doesn't include an obit. (It could be an interesting obit, since he was a bigamist. "He is survived by two wives . . . ") http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...ing_type=search Ron Edited July 14, 2005 by Ron Ecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 John, The writer of this site might be able to help. Apart from that it seems an intersting and detailed description of the DPD by a retired UK police officer. http://www.dealeyplazauk.co.uk/DPD%20Structure%20Nov1963.htm JohnD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 John, The writer of this site might be able to help. Apart from that it seems an intersting and detailed description of the DPD by a retired UK police officer. http://www.dealeyplazauk.co.uk/DPD%20Structure%20Nov1963.htm JohnD Ian Griggs is actually a member of this Forum. He is actually a retired police officer from England. However, he seems to go to Dallas every year. I will email him about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Another message from Frank Cellura. I want to express my appreciation to the several people responding with information about Maurice "Monk" Baker, possible alias Elbert, including W. Brown and I. Griggs, and the couple of willing parties who indicate they will try to search the newspaper archives. The fact the man might have recently lost his DPD position late in 1963 before assassination improves his position in my mind as a possible actor or intermediary with respect to any DPD complicity involving Oswald or assassination. Further, the source I read about this particular officer indicated he was among the closest affiliates of Ruby, and further that he lived in Oak Cliff neighborhood of Dallas on North Beckley Street, which we all know was same avenue as Oswald's rooming house. Consequently, I would hope we can exhaust all sources of info on him in an investigative phase. I would like to know his age, background and any active associations with other DPD members. Also, circumstances of his alleged suicide would also be relevant. The fact he was not active DPD officer at time of the assassination is not critical factor warranting short-circuiting the inquiry. If anything, it is a bit of circumstantial consideration to be explored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Can we obtain the actual address of Baker on Beckley? Maurice is a somewhat unusual name. Scratching my head . . . where have we heard that first name before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Maurice is a somewhat unusual name. Scratching my head . . . where have we heard that first name before? Steve Miller Band...third line of the song, "The Joker." Either that, or some secretive operative using the last name of Bishop, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) Dallas Morning News December 4, 1963Former Detective Shot to Death; Autopsy OrderedA former Dallas city detective was shot to death Tuesdayin an apartment in the 80 block of Marsalis.A witness said that Elbert Maurice Baker, 35, placed a .38 caliber pistolin his mouth and pulled the trigger. Justice of the Peace W. E. Richburgwitheld a verdict in the death pending further investigation and resultsof an autopsy. Baker resigned from the Dallas Police department’sburglary and theft department October 10, 1963. He joined the forceApril 19, 1954 and was promoted to detective July 26, 1957.He served as temporary lieutenant from Nov. 16, 1961 to Aug. 24, 1962The witness a woman, said Baker had been despondent and had recentlythreatened to kill himself and her. She told police that shortly before noonBaker was lying on his back on a couch when she heard a clicking sound.She turned, saw him with the gun in his mouth and tried to take it away fromhim, but he pushed her away and pulled the trigger.that same day an obituary appeared, there was no other Baker obituary.... OBITUARIES Albert M. Baker; survived by wife Mrs. JackieBaker; sons Mark, Allen Gary Baker; motherMrs. Hester Baker; father. Albert Baker.arrangements pendingCAMPBELL 300 W. DavisELBERT M. BAKERBirth: Jan. 5, 1926Death: Dec. 3, 1963Burial: Laurel Oaks Memorial ParkMesquiteDallas CountyTexas, USAPlot: Section 2Created by: James EllisRecord added: Sep 04, 2013Find A Grave Memorial# 116557518http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Baker&GSfn=Elbert&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=116557518&df=all& The Dallas Residential White Pages listed a E. M. Baker 648 Odeneal EX1-7918 Mrs. Hester Baker 717 N. Clinton WH6-2503 Robert: If the obituary for Albert M. Baker is, indeed Elbert Maurice Baker, that would seem to be a very slippery slope; And the 80 Marsalis street address cited is your definite misprint....the only "Monk" I am aware of is Monk Zelden. Ian Griggs this is for you...... Harry Neal Olsen - and Some Fellow Dallas Cops with Problems, by Ian GriggsDealey Plaza Echo, Volume 15, Issue 1https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=1610138Ian's article is related to the above..... BTW In one of the more serious JFK Specials, think it is the National Geographic Special, there was footage in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, of a man wearing a hardhat, not THE man known as Hardhat Man, being led away with handcuffs behind his back, that was a new factoid for me.... This is not an "I think I saw," but the real deal. Edited November 20, 2013 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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