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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

Hi Steve,

Who's Craig? You mean Taylor, maybe.

As far as I know, JCS Chairman Max Taylor was in a meeting with foreign delegates at the Pentagon.

Air Force Chief Curtis LeMay was apparently in Michigan visiting relatives.

I'm unsure about Earle Wheeler, David McDonald and David Shoup. They might have been with Maxwell Taylor at the Pentagon. I'm sure Forum members can help with further info.

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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

Hi Steve,

Who's Craig? You mean Taylor, maybe.

As far as I know, JCS Chairman Max Taylor was in a meeting with foreign delegates at the Pentagon.

Air Force Chief Curtis LeMay was apparently in Michigan visiting relatives.

I'm unsure about Earle Wheeler, David McDonald and David Shoup. They might have been with Maxwell Taylor at the Pentagon. I'm sure Forum members can help with further info.

Hello me old mate, thanks for the information on Taylor and Lemay. The person I mean is Brig General William H Craig. Senior project officer op Mongoose (Cuban op) Head of group W, CIA conected to Mongoose. Joint Author of "Northwoods"with Ly Lemnitzer. He was a disinformation agent, and Black ops man par excellence...Steve.

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Steve:

According to Paul O'Connor, Lemay attended the autopsy on President Kennedy's body.

Allan

Thanks Allan, I knew I had read it somewhere.

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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

Hi Steve,

Who's Craig? You mean Taylor, maybe.

As far as I know, JCS Chairman Max Taylor was in a meeting with foreign delegates at the Pentagon.

Air Force Chief Curtis LeMay was apparently in Michigan visiting relatives.

I'm unsure about Earle Wheeler, David McDonald and David Shoup. They might have been with Maxwell Taylor at the Pentagon. I'm sure Forum members can help with further info.

Hello me old mate, thanks for the information on Taylor and Lemay. The person I mean is Brig General William H Craig. Senior project officer op Mongoose (Cuban op) Head of group W, CIA conected to Mongoose. Joint Author of "Northwoods"with Ly Lemnitzer. He was a disinformation agent, and Black ops man par excellence...Steve.

Steve,

Ah. Brig. General William Craig--of course.

You know, it's been suggested that the man photographed walking past the tramps in Dealey Plaza has a resemblance to General Maxwell Taylor. Although others suggest that this could just be a symptom of 'post assassination prognostication'. :D

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According to the Andrews Air Force Base Log of November 22, 1963, which was retrieved from the trash and preserved by the Assassination Records Review Board, LeMay was in Canada at the time of the assassination and returned via USAF SAC to Andrews, so he was in DC at the time of the autopsy.

There is a Andrews Log thread with a copy of the log notes posted elsewhere on this forum.

Bill Kelly

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I'm unsure about Earle Wheeler, David McDonald and David Shoup. They might have been with Maxwell Taylor at the Pentagon. I'm sure Forum members can help with further info.

There is a recently published biography David M. Shoup, by Howard Jablon. I've been wanting to see it to find out if it says where Shoup was on 11/22/63. I haven't ordered it, sight unseen, because it's $35 and only 168 pages, which seems mighty short for a biography.

The University of Florida has a copy of the book. I was there today and walked across almost the entire campus to get to the library holding it, only to find out that the library is closed till May for renovation. I can't help but think that this was done just to keep me out.

If it were found that Shoup or any other of the JCS besides LeMay was not present for a Pentagon meeting with German officials on 11/22, I think that would pretty well shoot down the official story, making it a cover story for the whereabouts, I would suspect, of Maxwell Taylor.

If anyone here is rich and willing to part with 35 bucks in the name of JFK research, here's the link to the Shoup book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/074254487...327323?n=283155

Or anyone can try what I tried to do and check out your nearest university library.

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That's incredible, Bill. What lunatic would throw the Andrews Base log in the trash? He should have been busted to latrine duty.

Mark,

As for the Andrews Tower Log - the ARRB obtained the hard bound ledger log from Andrews, which was said to have been retrieved from the trash dumpster by one Chuck Holmes, who saw a tv show about the ARRB and their quest for JFK assassination records. When I was at the NARA I requested the ledger, photocopied the 9 pages of text, and retyped the handwritten notations as best I could.

This log, which appears NOT to be an official Andrews Tower Log because it makes no mention of all the other air traffic that day, and also includes a few pages of log notations for when they flew the body of RFK to Andrews from California. It is very peculiar that this log only has references to those two incidences, years apart, and there was an attempt to dispose of it, an obvious historical record. I tried to locate Chuck Holmes, who reportedly still works at Andrews, to learn more, but haven't hooked up with him yet. I wanted to give him a medal for saving such an artifact.

The references to LeMay are the fact that at the time of the assassination he was Canada, possibly in the air between Toronto and Wairton, from where he departs for Andrews 1625 - (4:25pm).

I don't know what all the abrivations mean.

BK

[ANDREWS LOG AS TRANSCRIBED BY BILL KELLY]

Andrews Log

RIF: 161-10002-10000

USAF

SPECIAL ANDREWS AFB DUTY OPERATIONS LOG FROM NOV 22-25, 1963 AND JUNE 5-6,

9 pages.

SUBJECTS: JFK ASSASSINATION; RFK ASSASSINATION; AIR FORCE ONE; GENERAL LEMAY.

DOCUMENT TYPE: LOG BOOK, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

UNCLASSIFIED

OPEN IN FULL

COMMENTS: Special Log of Events found by Air Force civilian employee, Mr. Chuck Holmes, and transferred to ARRB by USAF. Cover stamped 1254 ATW Command Post.

COVER REMARKS:

Special Unclassified

J.F.K. Assassination - 22 Nov. 63 & RFK Assassinations 5 June 68.

1254th ATW Command Post

Return to Chuck Holmes.

RECORD

MAINTAIN IN LOCAL TIME

7530-222-3523 Federal Supply Service ICPO

UNCLASSIFIED

ALL IN LOCAL TIME

Page 1

LOCAL Death of J.F.K.

Time 22 Nov 63 (FR.)

1400 [2 pm-bk] Col Hornbuckle Heard News Report on the President being shot at Dallas.

Put Wing on Alert & Told Maint To Put Act T intoo. (C P Maintaining acft status)

Notified 98 & 99 To Alert Crews (Received Aircraft Availability Status)

Notified Air Police To Alert Flight Guards.

Notified Air Team.

D2Col Schwikert Concurs in Above Actions

1405 [2:03pm] Notified To Dispatch: 0912488 Plu Boston, Drop Dallas

1420 [2:20] 092488 & 2493 CANX. 4197 Set-up

To Dept To Plu Gen Lemay at Toronto, Canada. Trip #1602

1446 [2:46] =094197 Dept for Canada. ETA 1546

Received word from 86972 - Returning To HIK, Min 6nd Time, Direct Dallas.

092489 inbound To Whitemn with ulsec McMillian Advised to Standby there for further instructions.

1450 Set up MSN #1617 12490 To Take Sen Kennedy To Otis.

Crossed out ione line. Undecipherable

Change Gen Lemays Plu from Torento To Wawirton Canada 44.45N 0981.06W

END OF PAGE ONE

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Time

1500 [3pm] (C.F.) - WashARTC called with Flight Plan on AF1. ETD Dallas 22

1515 Hi. ALT to ADW, 2 + 10 ENROUTE

1505 [3:05] Contacted 24197 (UHF) to change Destination to Wairton.

1510 [3:10] Patch w/86972 EST ADW 23/0100

1515 [3:15] Change 12490 Destination Otis to Barnstable.

1525 [3:25] 912492 & 12493 Patrick to Ramey (Cong Group)Returning To ADW ETAs 1650 & 1700

1530 [3:30] 0912490 (Sen Kennedy Departed For Barnstable. Crew ABD ACFT

when He arrived Sgt Pshney AFLP stated that the S.S. will Take Care of Body At ADW

1535 [3:35] =09=0912499 u/sec MsMillian Returning ADW

1540 [3:40]=09=0924200 OUT of Commission For TOC=D5s To FAR into PE.

Missions 1572/27 & 1573/01 CANX.

1545 [3:45] 96000 Returning ADW, Mr Johnson ABD ETA 1725 (Returning as AF-1) Body & Mrs. Kennedy ABD

1547 [3:47] =09=09AF 1 Dept DAL, ETA ADW 1805

1600 [4:00pm] =09Quiet Hour 1745 To 1830.

1609 [4:09] =096972 Dept AIK ETA 00240

END OF PAGE 2

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Local

Time=20

1625 [4:25pm] 24197 Gen Lemay Dept Wairton 1604 ETA DCA 1715, Driver & Aide at DCA ETA charged 1710, Secy Zuckert Will Meet Lemay at ADW. (notified AC f t )

1650 [4:50] =09=09Call From 26000, need steps FWD Door, FWD Gally Door & Lift Truck AfT Pax Door, Body in Rear.

1700 [5:00pm] =09Gen Lemay Will land DCA NOT ADW.

1700 Alert Posture From Burleson: Immediate Alert till 1830 HR Alert till 1830 - 200 HR Alert 2000 - Till Advised Left Jetstar on 1 HQ

96000 Requested Ramps & Press Fence

1710 [5:10] =09=09Call From Duty Off @ Torrejon C.P. Requesting info on Sam

P/U of =09=09=09=09=09V.P. of Spain - None Sked By 1254th.

1712 [5:12] =09=094192 Gen Lemay ARR DCA.

1715 [5:15] =0912491 w/Cong Price at Burbank Alerted For Possible P/U ofLawford Family to Return ADW.

1730 [5:30] 096972 ETB A ADW 0030 . 32 PAX.Notified Mr Jackson – Home 9929-1298 For Transport Etc.

1735 12491 Possible Plu of Lawford Family CANX. Notified Alc @ Burbank. Maj Chappelle Advised thaat He is Returning ADW via FFUTT with Cong Cohelan.

END OF PAGE 3

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Time

1740 [5:40 pm] AF1 Reg Four A.P. Cars, 2 FWD & 2 ft of AcFt on Ramp Confirmed.

1800 [6:00pm] AF1 ARR ADW, 12489 Slowing Down To ARR After ADW Opens, 42816 Still Holding

1830 [6:30]=09=0986970 ARR ADW

1841 [6:41] =0942816 ARR ADW

1852 [6:52] =09=0912489 ARR ADW

2108 [9:08pm]=0912490 ARR ADW

2145 [9:45] From Col Burleson - AT 39 #493 will Dept Love Field arond 2345 ETA ADW 0230 W/ A CAPT & 2 PRESS. Arrange a car To Take Them To The White House immed - Confirmed w/TFC.

2324 09T39 ETA ADW 0136 - given To TFC.

0923 NOV 63 (Saturday)

0037L [12:37am] =0986972 ARRIVED ADW with Scc Rusk, etc.

0950 [9:50am]=09Per Sgt Geiser - Gen Eisenhower to arrive at DCA at 1030L on a CBS Gulfstream.

Crossed out Line

1400 [10:00am] Per LCOL Burleson - Set up #1618 C131 42815 Drop Father Cavanaugh Barnstable. 09TRAF - RS 091299 - Johnson - Dec_____CAMRON – BECK SSC – RBC T/OPS - Hornbuckle W.H. - Po_le

END OF PAGE 4

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23 NOV 63

Local

Time

1200 [Noon] =09Per LCol Burleson SET UP MSN 1619

=09=09=09VC140 12490 PU VICE PRES SPAIN

=09=09=09MENOS GRANDES RTN TO ADW

Johnson – Deceasre

TFRAF - HP

CAMERON - BECK

SSC - RBC

DET 3 – LARSON’09T/OPS - HORNBUCKLE

W.H. -

1248 [12:48pm] =09SGT LARSON CONFIRMED GATE #21 (1AB Terminal) will be available for arrived MSN 1619.

1700 [7:00pm]=09MSN 1619 DELAYED ARRIVAl at Idlewild Due to Weather at Destination 2490 Landed. IDL 1645L Departure 10L 1756 L RTA ADW 1834 2490 Blocked in 1842

Notified Col Burleson

Col Hornbuckle

MX Beck

DET 3 Larson

Spanish Embassy

1710 [7:10] Sgt. Griser - Cx Mission # 1585

Baggage P/U at Patrick Henry

Wg Ops Col Hornbuckle

Maj. Hefner

MX Harding

T/C Wade

1825 [8:25] =09=09Per Sgt Griser Set up Mission #1621 VC - 140

P/U Prince Bernhard at IDL Drop ADW

Set up Mission #1620 C-131 42815

Drop Gen Fol__sc_ IDL wgOps. Col Hornbuckle

99th Maj Hefn

Mx. Beck

TFC Wade

Det. 3 - Sgt Larson

END OF PAGE 5

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Time

0900 [9:00am]=09Per Col Burleson - Mission # 1604 A/C 80608 will divert To Nellis AFB To P/U Mr Conlon after DV Drop at Hamilton. - 98th

Maj. Tul_ Wg Ops. -

2300 Per Col Burleson - Mission #1604 will also wait at Hamilton no longer than 24/1800- for P/U of Congressman Shelly and Return ADW via Nellis.

24 NOV 63 (Sunday)

1330L [1:30pm] ACFT 80608 MSN # 1604 DIV To TRAVIS Due Hamilton WX will pu MR/CONLON At Nellis Per Col Tueful, Mr Conlon ARR Commercial

1436 [2:36pm] Per Col. Burleson - Set up Mission # 1622 VC-140 ADW To

IDL =09=09=09=09=09drop Prince Philip - To connect with BOAC Flight #500 For

London Det 3 - Larson

MX. - Beck=

99th - Bartels

SSC - Henry

TFC - L D

WH - Chance

1645 [4:45] 80610 Mission # 1367 Enroute From Naples To Lajes diverted To Lisbon Due to shorted plugs on Rt x Lt side of #2 cyl #4 Eng. Possible Cyl. or Eng change - will advise after inspection

ETA Lisbond 24/17102 Per Col Burleson set up Mission # 1623

VC - 09137 86902 To Lisbon To P/U Gen. Hamlet on 80610 ETA AD

W=20

0924/1800L

998th Mangold

Wg. Ops.

Col. Hornbuckle

SSC – Green

MX Harding

TFC Lynn

END PAGE SIX

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Local

Time

1827 [8:27pm] Per Col Burleson CX. Mission #1623

986972- Wg.Ops Col Hornbuckle

998. - Mangold

MX. Harding

TFC Lynn

SSC MAY

2000 [10:00pm]Per Col Burleson - Set up Mission # 1624 VC-140 Pick up President Truman at DCA and drop at Kansas City.

Wg Ops Col Hornebuckle

MX. Harding

TFC Wade

SSC Grlla

99th Parker

1750 [7:50pm] 24197 called UHF and advised DV request 4197 make additionaltrip to Boston after Drop at Otis - Request approved - Sgt.Geiser

1845 [8:45] Chg OF ACFT ON MSN 1622 INST PANEL LIGHTS OUT D4ACFT 92490 Chg To 2493 approved - Col Hornbuckle

25 NOV 63 (Monday)

0930 [9:30am] Per Col HornBuckle Set Up MSN #1433 C140 To Take MRS Rose Kennedy To Cape Cod ETD 25/1500L

WG - Cesarid

MX - CN

SSC-Parish

99 - Bartels

TFC-JP

END

END OF PAGE 7

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On Feb 2 1962, Craig sent a memo to Gen Ed Lansdale, the commander of operation Mongoose. The document lists bizarre, yet ruthless plans to provoke, harass or disrupt the Castro Government.

On March 13, Graig sends another memo, which duplicates some of operation Northwoods, the same day as Lemnitzer presented the full plans to McNamara, an hour later Lemnitzer met with Kennedys Military representative Gem Maxwell Taylor. What happened during the meetings is unknown, but three days later JFK, told Lemnitzer that there was virtually no chance that the US would ever use military force in Cuba. Within months Lemnitzer would be denied another term as Chairman of the JCS, and was transferred to another job.

Now just suppose someone asked Brig Gen Graig to direct his talents for black ops in another direction...Perhaps utilising men loyal to Gen Walker.

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That's incredible, Bill. What lunatic would throw the Andrews Base log in the trash? He should have been busted to latrine duty.

Mark,

As for the Andrews Tower Log - the ARRB obtained the hard bound ledger log from Andrews, which was said to have been retrieved from the trash dumpster by one Chuck Holmes, who saw a tv show about the ARRB and their quest for JFK assassination records. When I was at the NARA I requested the ledger, photocopied the 9 pages of text, and retyped the handwritten notations as best I could.

This log, which appears NOT to be an official Andrews Tower Log because it makes no mention of all the other air traffic that day, and also includes a few pages of log notations for when they flew the body of RFK to Andrews from California. It is very peculiar that this log only has references to those two incidences, years apart, and there was an attempt to dispose of it, an obvious historical record. I tried to locate Chuck Holmes, who reportedly still works at Andrews, to learn more, but haven't hooked up with him yet. I wanted to give him a medal for saving such an artifact.

The references to LeMay are the fact that at the time of the assassination he was Canada, possibly in the air between Toronto and Wairton, from where he departs for Andrews 1625 - (4:25pm).

I don't know what all the abrivations mean.

BK

[ANDREWS LOG AS TRANSCRIBED BY BILL KELLY]

Andrews Log

RIF: 161-10002-10000

USAF

SPECIAL ANDREWS AFB DUTY OPERATIONS LOG FROM NOV 22-25, 1963 AND JUNE 5-6,

9 pages.

SUBJECTS: JFK ASSASSINATION; RFK ASSASSINATION; AIR FORCE ONE; GENERAL LEMAY.

DOCUMENT TYPE: LOG BOOK, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT

UNCLASSIFIED

OPEN IN FULL

COMMENTS: Special Log of Events found by Air Force civilian employee, Mr. Chuck Holmes, and transferred to ARRB by USAF. Cover stamped 1254 ATW Command Post.

COVER REMARKS:

Special Unclassified

J.F.K. Assassination - 22 Nov. 63 & RFK Assassinations 5 June 68.

1254th ATW Command Post

Return to Chuck Holmes.

RECORD

MAINTAIN IN LOCAL TIME

7530-222-3523 Federal Supply Service ICPO

UNCLASSIFIED

ALL IN LOCAL TIME

Page 1

LOCAL Death of J.F.K.

Time 22 Nov 63 (FR.)

1400 [2 pm-bk] Col Hornbuckle Heard News Report on the President being shot at Dallas.

Put Wing on Alert & Told Maint To Put Act T intoo. (C P Maintaining acft status)

Notified 98 & 99 To Alert Crews (Received Aircraft Availability Status)

Notified Air Police To Alert Flight Guards.

Notified Air Team.

D2Col Schwikert Concurs in Above Actions

1405 [2:03pm] Notified To Dispatch: 0912488 Plu Boston, Drop Dallas

1420 [2:20] 092488 & 2493 CANX. 4197 Set-up

To Dept To Plu Gen Lemay at Toronto, Canada. Trip #1602

1446 [2:46] =094197 Dept for Canada. ETA 1546

Received word from 86972 - Returning To HIK, Min 6nd Time, Direct Dallas.

092489 inbound To Whitemn with ulsec McMillian Advised to Standby there for further instructions.

1450 Set up MSN #1617 12490 To Take Sen Kennedy To Otis.

Crossed out ione line. Undecipherable

Change Gen Lemays Plu from Torento To Wawirton Canada 44.45N 0981.06W

END OF PAGE ONE

Page 2

Local

Time

1500 [3pm] (C.F.) - WashARTC called with Flight Plan on AF1. ETD Dallas 22

1515 Hi. ALT to ADW, 2 + 10 ENROUTE

1505 [3:05] Contacted 24197 (UHF) to change Destination to Wairton.

1510 [3:10] Patch w/86972 EST ADW 23/0100

1515 [3:15] Change 12490 Destination Otis to Barnstable.

1525 [3:25] 912492 & 12493 Patrick to Ramey (Cong Group)Returning To ADW ETAs 1650 & 1700

1530 [3:30] 0912490 (Sen Kennedy Departed For Barnstable. Crew ABD ACFT

when He arrived Sgt Pshney AFLP stated that the S.S. will Take Care of Body At ADW

1535 [3:35] =09=0912499 u/sec MsMillian Returning ADW

1540 [3:40]=09=0924200 OUT of Commission For TOC=D5s To FAR into PE.

Missions 1572/27 & 1573/01 CANX.

1545 [3:45] 96000 Returning ADW, Mr Johnson ABD ETA 1725 (Returning as AF-1) Body & Mrs. Kennedy ABD

1547 [3:47] =09=09AF 1 Dept DAL, ETA ADW 1805

1600 [4:00pm] =09Quiet Hour 1745 To 1830.

1609 [4:09] =096972 Dept AIK ETA 00240

END OF PAGE 2

Page 3

Local

Time=20

1625 [4:25pm] 24197 Gen Lemay Dept Wairton 1604 ETA DCA 1715, Driver & Aide at DCA ETA charged 1710, Secy Zuckert Will Meet Lemay at ADW. (notified AC f t )

1650 [4:50] =09=09Call From 26000, need steps FWD Door, FWD Gally Door & Lift Truck AfT Pax Door, Body in Rear.

1700 [5:00pm] =09Gen Lemay Will land DCA NOT ADW.

1700 Alert Posture From Burleson: Immediate Alert till 1830 HR Alert till 1830 - 200 HR Alert 2000 - Till Advised Left Jetstar on 1 HQ

96000 Requested Ramps & Press Fence

1710 [5:10] =09=09Call From Duty Off @ Torrejon C.P. Requesting info on Sam

P/U of =09=09=09=09=09V.P. of Spain - None Sked By 1254th.

1712 [5:12] =09=094192 Gen Lemay ARR DCA.

1715 [5:15] =0912491 w/Cong Price at Burbank Alerted For Possible P/U ofLawford Family to Return ADW.

1730 [5:30] 096972 ETB A ADW 0030 . 32 PAX.Notified Mr Jackson – Home 9929-1298 For Transport Etc.

1735 12491 Possible Plu of Lawford Family CANX. Notified Alc @ Burbank. Maj Chappelle Advised thaat He is Returning ADW via FFUTT with Cong Cohelan.

END OF PAGE 3

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Local

Time

1740 [5:40 pm] AF1 Reg Four A.P. Cars, 2 FWD & 2 ft of AcFt on Ramp Confirmed.

1800 [6:00pm] AF1 ARR ADW, 12489 Slowing Down To ARR After ADW Opens, 42816 Still Holding

1830 [6:30]=09=0986970 ARR ADW

1841 [6:41] =0942816 ARR ADW

1852 [6:52] =09=0912489 ARR ADW

2108 [9:08pm]=0912490 ARR ADW

2145 [9:45] From Col Burleson - AT 39 #493 will Dept Love Field arond 2345 ETA ADW 0230 W/ A CAPT & 2 PRESS. Arrange a car To Take Them To The White House immed - Confirmed w/TFC.

2324 09T39 ETA ADW 0136 - given To TFC.

0923 NOV 63 (Saturday)

0037L [12:37am] =0986972 ARRIVED ADW with Scc Rusk, etc.

0950 [9:50am]=09Per Sgt Geiser - Gen Eisenhower to arrive at DCA at 1030L on a CBS Gulfstream.

Crossed out Line

1400 [10:00am] Per LCOL Burleson - Set up #1618 C131 42815 Drop Father Cavanaugh Barnstable. 09TRAF - RS 091299 - Johnson - Dec_____CAMRON – BECK SSC – RBC T/OPS - Hornbuckle W.H. - Po_le

END OF PAGE 4

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23 NOV 63

Local

Time

1200 [Noon] =09Per LCol Burleson SET UP MSN 1619

=09=09=09VC140 12490 PU VICE PRES SPAIN

=09=09=09MENOS GRANDES RTN TO ADW

Johnson – Deceasre

TFRAF - HP

CAMERON - BECK

SSC - RBC

DET 3 – LARSON'09T/OPS - HORNBUCKLE

W.H. -

1248 [12:48pm] =09SGT LARSON CONFIRMED GATE #21 (1AB Terminal) will be available for arrived MSN 1619.

1700 [7:00pm]=09MSN 1619 DELAYED ARRIVAl at Idlewild Due to Weather at Destination 2490 Landed. IDL 1645L Departure 10L 1756 L RTA ADW 1834 2490 Blocked in 1842

Notified Col Burleson

Col Hornbuckle

MX Beck

DET 3 Larson

Spanish Embassy

1710 [7:10] Sgt. Griser - Cx Mission # 1585

Baggage P/U at Patrick Henry

Wg Ops Col Hornbuckle

Maj. Hefner

MX Harding

T/C Wade

1825 [8:25] =09=09Per Sgt Griser Set up Mission #1621 VC - 140

P/U Prince Bernhard at IDL Drop ADW

Set up Mission #1620 C-131 42815

Drop Gen Fol__sc_ IDL wgOps. Col Hornbuckle

99th Maj Hefn

Mx. Beck

TFC Wade

Det. 3 - Sgt Larson

END OF PAGE 5

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Local

Time

0900 [9:00am]=09Per Col Burleson - Mission # 1604 A/C 80608 will divert To Nellis AFB To P/U Mr Conlon after DV Drop at Hamilton. - 98th

Maj. Tul_ Wg Ops. -

2300 Per Col Burleson - Mission #1604 will also wait at Hamilton no longer than 24/1800- for P/U of Congressman Shelly and Return ADW via Nellis.

24 NOV 63 (Sunday)

1330L [1:30pm] ACFT 80608 MSN # 1604 DIV To TRAVIS Due Hamilton WX will pu MR/CONLON At Nellis Per Col Tueful, Mr Conlon ARR Commercial

1436 [2:36pm] Per Col. Burleson - Set up Mission # 1622 VC-140 ADW To

IDL =09=09=09=09=09drop Prince Philip - To connect with BOAC Flight #500 For

London Det 3 - Larson

MX. - Beck=

99th - Bartels

SSC - Henry

TFC - L D

WH - Chance

1645 [4:45] 80610 Mission # 1367 Enroute From Naples To Lajes diverted To Lisbon Due to shorted plugs on Rt x Lt side of #2 cyl #4 Eng. Possible Cyl. or Eng change - will advise after inspection

ETA Lisbond 24/17102 Per Col Burleson set up Mission # 1623

VC - 09137 86902 To Lisbon To P/U Gen. Hamlet on 80610 ETA AD

W=20

0924/1800L

998th Mangold

Wg. Ops.

Col. Hornbuckle

SSC – Green

MX Harding

TFC Lynn

END PAGE SIX

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Local

Time

1827 [8:27pm] Per Col Burleson CX. Mission #1623

986972- Wg.Ops Col Hornbuckle

998. - Mangold

MX. Harding

TFC Lynn

SSC MAY

2000 [10:00pm]Per Col Burleson - Set up Mission # 1624 VC-140 Pick up President Truman at DCA and drop at Kansas City.

Wg Ops Col Hornebuckle

MX. Harding

TFC Wade

SSC Grlla

99th Parker

1750 [7:50pm] 24197 called UHF and advised DV request 4197 make additionaltrip to Boston after Drop at Otis - Request approved - Sgt.Geiser

1845 [8:45] Chg OF ACFT ON MSN 1622 INST PANEL LIGHTS OUT D4ACFT 92490 Chg To 2493 approved - Col Hornbuckle

25 NOV 63 (Monday)

0930 [9:30am] Per Col HornBuckle Set Up MSN #1433 C140 To Take MRS Rose Kennedy To Cape Cod ETD 25/1500L

WG - Cesarid

MX - CN

SSC-Parish

99 - Bartels

TFC-JP

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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

I don't know where I read it, but I too remember reading about Lemay at Kennedy's autopsy, smoking a cigar.

Kathy C

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I have, for the last few months been conducting research into the possible role played by individual members of the JCS, in the assassination. The above three names are of special interest to me, and I have been trying to assertain their whereabouts on the day. I know that Lemnitzer was in Germany, but I hope that members can help me be a bit more specific. One report has Lemay attending the Bethesda autopsy, standing at the back smoking a cheroot, but I now forget where I read this, and can find no official documents that support this. Any help from the esteemed faculty here will be much appreciated..Steve.

I don't know where I read it, but I too remember reading about Lemay at Kennedy's autopsy, smoking a cigar.

Kathy C

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10724&view=findpost&p=165359

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