John Simkin Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 A great deal of thought must have gone into selecting the members of the Warren Commission. In many ways, the most interesting is John Sherman Cooper. He was the political "liberal" on the committee. He was also the Kennedy family representative. Here is an interesting extract from C. David Heymann's, The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003): The assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, brought to an abrupt halt one of Georgetown's most fertile periods of social activity. "There were so many parties during the thousand days of Camelot," said Kennedy White House press secretary Pierre Salinger, who lived in Georgetown, "that they all blend into one. Camelot was one big, endless party." Referring to the encroachment of the Vietnam War, Ambassador Charles Whitehouse called Camelot "a beautiful sunset before an endlessly bitter night." Of JFK's many friends and admirers none was more anguished by his death than John Sherman Cooper. The Kentucky senator subsequently served on both the Warren Commission and on the committee selected by Jacqueline and Robert Kennedy to select a site and raise funds for the John F. Kennedy Library. Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 A great deal of thought must have gone into selecting the members of the Warren Commission. In many ways, the most interesting is John Sherman Cooper. He was the political "liberal" on the committee. He was also the Kennedy family representative. Here is an interesting extract from C. David Heymann's, The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003):The assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, brought to an abrupt halt one of Georgetown's most fertile periods of social activity. "There were so many parties during the thousand days of Camelot," said Kennedy White House press secretary Pierre Salinger, who lived in Georgetown, "that they all blend into one. Camelot was one big, endless party." Referring to the encroachment of the Vietnam War, Ambassador Charles Whitehouse called Camelot "a beautiful sunset before an endlessly bitter night." Of JFK's many friends and admirers none was more anguished by his death than John Sherman Cooper. The Kentucky senator subsequently served on both the Warren Commission and on the committee selected by Jacqueline and Robert Kennedy to select a site and raise funds for the John F. Kennedy Library. Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice." John; (& others) Although Senator Cooper most certainly WAS NOT a part of the WC lie/misrepresentation of the facts of the assassination, his "cooperate & graduate" was assured. After all, one would not want it brought out that they had a direct "family" relationship to George DeMohrenschildt. Perhaps now, some of this "geneological" data will serve some purpose and provide explanations as to exactly WHY certain members of the WC were chosen, as well as why they could be counted on to not rock the boat. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Lorraine Arnold ROWAN Given Name: Lorraine Arnold Surname: ROWAN 1 Marriage 1 Thomas SHEVLIN Married: Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Marriage 2 John Sherman COOPER Married: Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Marriage 3 Robert Hazelhurst MCADOO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Hazelhurst MCADOO Note: Ensign, Naval Flying Corps., WWI Father: William Gibbs MCADOO b: 31 Oct 1863 in Marietta, Cobb Co., GA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Annie Hahr Dobbs Birth: 20 JAN 1898 in Marietta, Cobb, GA Annie Hahr Dobbs Pawley attended Randolph-Macon in Virginia and Sophie Newcomb in New Orleans. During WWI she attended the National Service School in Washington DC. She married William Douglas Pawley of Port-au-Prince, Haiti, July 25, 1919. In 1925 they moved to Miami and then moved to Havana, Cuba, in 1928. They returned with their 3 children to Miami where their youngest child was born. The Pawleys then moved to Shanghai, China, with the baby, leaving their other children in Miami Beach with family. Mrs. Pawley lived in China until 1938 with periodic trips back to Miami. They were divorced in 1941, and Annie Hahr lived in her home at 3190 Pine Tree Drive, Miami Beach. She was ill for many years. Father: Herbert Clifton Dobbs b: 14 JAN 1867 in Marietta, Cobb Cnty, GA; USA Marriage 1 William Douglas Pawley Married: 25 JUL 1918 in Marietta, Cobb Cnty, GA; USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Nona Hazlehurst MCADOO Father: William Gibbs MCADOO b: 31 Oct 1863 in Marietta, Cobb Co., GA Marriage 4 Ferdinand DE MOHRENSCHILDT Married: May 1917 1 Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Children Living DE MOHRENSCHILDT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wagner Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 (edited) Hi John, Speaking of connections between the Warren Commission and the Kennedy family, I caught part of a program a few nights ago about The John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award (see below). It was a terrific program with some excellent archival footage of JFK and sporadic commentary by Carolyn and Teddy, who are members of the award committee. The John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award is the nation's most prestigious honor for elected public servants. The Award was created in 1989 by members of President Kennedy's family to honor President John F. Kennedy and recognize and celebrate the quality of political courage that he admired most. The award is named for President Kennedy’s 1957 Pulitzer prize-winning book, Profiles in Courage, which recounts the stories of eight U.S. Senators who risked their careers by taking principled stands for unpopular positions. I was quite shocked to learn that Gerald Ford was the 2001 recipient for the "political courage" he displayed in pardoning Nixon (although this is probably old news to most members, I had never heard of Ford receiving this award). Huh? Given Ford's role on the Commission in general, and his undermining of the WC (although it was clearly undermined from the start and was simply deployed to help perpetrate the cover-up) vis-à-vis Hoover specifically, it's awfully hard to believe that the Kennedy family would choose to honor this guy. Although I guess in a way it is consistent with the Kennedy family line that they support the WC findings. Still, that one's a head-scratcher for me. Edited October 29, 2006 by Greg Wagner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Given Ford's role on the Commission in general, and his undermining of the WC (although it was clearly undermined from the start and was simply deployed to help perpetrate the cover-up) vis-à-vis Hoover specifically, it's awfully hard to believe that the Kennedy family would choose to honor this guy. Michael Kurtz's new book has some interesting things to say about Gerald Ford and the Warren Commission. Although I guess in a way it is consistent with the Kennedy family line that they support the WC findings. Still, that one's a head-scratcher for me. David Talbot's book on the Kennedy brothers that will be published soon will help to explain why the Kennedy family joined in the cover-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H. Purvis Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 A great deal of thought must have gone into selecting the members of the Warren Commission. In many ways, the most interesting is John Sherman Cooper. He was the political "liberal" on the committee. He was also the Kennedy family representative. Here is an interesting extract from C. David Heymann's, The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003): The assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, brought to an abrupt halt one of Georgetown's most fertile periods of social activity. "There were so many parties during the thousand days of Camelot," said Kennedy White House press secretary Pierre Salinger, who lived in Georgetown, "that they all blend into one. Camelot was one big, endless party." Referring to the encroachment of the Vietnam War, Ambassador Charles Whitehouse called Camelot "a beautiful sunset before an endlessly bitter night." Of JFK's many friends and admirers none was more anguished by his death than John Sherman Cooper. The Kentucky senator subsequently served on both the Warren Commission and on the committee selected by Jacqueline and Robert Kennedy to select a site and raise funds for the John F. Kennedy Library. Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice." John; (& others) Although Senator Cooper most certainly WAS NOT a part of the WC lie/misrepresentation of the facts of the assassination, his "cooperate & graduate" was assured. After all, one would not want it brought out that they had a direct "family" relationship to George DeMohrenschildt. Perhaps now, some of this "geneological" data will serve some purpose and provide explanations as to exactly WHY certain members of the WC were chosen, as well as why they could be counted on to not rock the boat. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Lorraine Arnold ROWAN Given Name: Lorraine Arnold Surname: ROWAN 1 Marriage 1 Thomas SHEVLIN Married: Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Marriage 2 John Sherman COOPER Married: Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Marriage 3 Robert Hazelhurst MCADOO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Hazelhurst MCADOO Note: Ensign, Naval Flying Corps., WWI Father: William Gibbs MCADOO b: 31 Oct 1863 in Marietta, Cobb Co., GA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Annie Hahr Dobbs Birth: 20 JAN 1898 in Marietta, Cobb, GA Annie Hahr Dobbs Pawley attended Randolph-Macon in Virginia and Sophie Newcomb in New Orleans. During WWI she attended the National Service School in Washington DC. She married William Douglas Pawley of Port-au-Prince, Haiti, July 25, 1919. In 1925 they moved to Miami and then moved to Havana, Cuba, in 1928. They returned with their 3 children to Miami where their youngest child was born. The Pawleys then moved to Shanghai, China, with the baby, leaving their other children in Miami Beach with family. Mrs. Pawley lived in China until 1938 with periodic trips back to Miami. They were divorced in 1941, and Annie Hahr lived in her home at 3190 Pine Tree Drive, Miami Beach. She was ill for many years. Father: Herbert Clifton Dobbs b: 14 JAN 1867 in Marietta, Cobb Cnty, GA; USA Marriage 1 William Douglas Pawley Married: 25 JUL 1918 in Marietta, Cobb Cnty, GA; USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Nona Hazlehurst MCADOO Father: William Gibbs MCADOO b: 31 Oct 1863 in Marietta, Cobb Co., GA Marriage 4 Ferdinand DE MOHRENSCHILDT Married: May 1917 1 Change Date: 25 Apr 2005 Children Living DE MOHRENSCHILDT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sherman_Cooper John S. Cooper was one of the original commission members appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Cooper was quoted as saying: "Now, people have said that somebody told them that they saw somebody on the railroad bank or saw somebody going over the bank, but no one has ever been able to show any cartridges, any rifle, any pistol, no one has ever found anything other than the evidence about Oswald." http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jscooper.htm Ambassador to India and Nepal 1955-1956; (appointed by Eisenhower" http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri...7.4holland.html As a wealthy American businessman and former ambassador, William Pawley was a key actor in PBSUCCESS, the covert operation that brought down the government of Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala in 1954. The anti-Arbenz rebels, led by Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, could not have defeated the Guatemalan army on their own. The key to a successful coup was getting the army to act on their behalf, and in this regard, control of the air was vital. Pawley, owing to his knowledge of Latin America and experience in aviation, played a central role in ensuring that the rebels enjoyed air superiority during their move against the president. At a more abstract level, Pawley exemplified the role non-governmental actors played in the formulation and implementation of U.S. foreign policy during the Cold War. The "state-private network," as it has been dubbed, remains a rich vein for scholarly investigation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=4970&st=15 "Of course, few are aware that William D. Pawley/aka CAMCO was also responsible for having established the Hindustan Aircraft Ltd company of Bangalore, India as well as having managed the AVG of Claire Chennault." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Root Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 John I agree that the selection of the members of the Warren Commission may have been the most important part of the plot that may have been hatched to assassinate Kennedy. There was a time that I looked at the crime and the investigation as two seperate events, that is no longer the case for me. Today I view the official Warren Commission Report as part and parcel to the total assassination package and the perfection of its execution may be what allows us to understand how it worked. In some ways I guess that what I am saying is that those who were involved in the conspiracy, assuming there was a conspiracy, acted so perfectly in their actions that very few people could have been positioned to understand the mechanisms necessary to pull it all off and then also have the ability to position themselves to direct, or missdirect the commission and its findings in a way that the rest of the government would fall in line behind, protect and accept. My investigation suggests that John J. McCloy may have been the puppeteer that was capable of manipulating the strings necessary to pull off the show and that John Sherman Cooper was just the sort of team player that was necessary in this senario. During WWII Cooper was assigned to a group of soldiers tasked with administering the occupied territories. He was assigned to Bavaria which became a primary area for persons, with Nazi affiliations that were usefull to the Allies, gathered to surrender to the advancing American armies. Both the program that Cooper was involved in and the benifits reaped from it were subjects of interest to and controlled by John J. McCloy in his position as Asst. Sec. of War. For example Warner von Braun and his team of rocket scientist was a prize that the US Army collected in Bavaria and then integrated into their own endevors to create guided missles (which ultimately led to the creation of NASA another story). Cooper also worked with John J. McCloy during the creation of the NATO pact. Another instrumental player in the creation of NATO would be John Hickerson who would later become the author of two notes that I believe provided the information necessary for Lee Harvey Oswald to enter the Soviet Union via Helsinki in 1959. The career of John Sherman Cooper in the Senate (or should I say in and out of the Senate) suggests a guiding hand that placed him in instumental positions when a willing hand was needed. Is the Cooper - McCloy connection of interest? I believe so. Jim Root Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 A great deal of thought must have gone into selecting the members of the Warren Commission. In many ways, the most interesting is John Sherman Cooper. He was the political "liberal" on the committee. He was also the Kennedy family representative. Here is an interesting extract from C. David Heymann's, The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003): The assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, brought to an abrupt halt one of Georgetown's most fertile periods of social activity. "There were so many parties during the thousand days of Camelot," said Kennedy White House press secretary Pierre Salinger, who lived in Georgetown, "that they all blend into one. Camelot was one big, endless party." Referring to the encroachment of the Vietnam War, Ambassador Charles Whitehouse called Camelot "a beautiful sunset before an endlessly bitter night." Of JFK's many friends and admirers none was more anguished by his death than John Sherman Cooper. The Kentucky senator subsequently served on both the Warren Commission and on the committee selected by Jacqueline and Robert Kennedy to select a site and raise funds for the John F. Kennedy Library. Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice." I know some members of the forum think that C. David Heymann is an unreliable source but what do you think of this so-called exchange between Cooper and Jackie? http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcopperJS.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Mrs. R.H. McAdoo To Marry Again The Washington Post (1923-1954). Jun 25, 1936 Envoy To India Wed To Divorcee In California Hartford Courant - Mar 18, 1955 PASADENA, Calif., March 17 (AP) --Mrs. Lorraine Rowan Shevlin of Washington, DC, and John Sherman Cooper, newly appointed ambassador to India and Nepal, ... Cooper, Mrs. Shelvin To Wed Today At... Park City Daily News For Port . Sarasota Journal Yalta Record Stirs Wrath' Ambassador And Bride No-competitio... Toledo Blade - Mar 18, 1955 ... Nepal and former Senator from Kentucky, 'chats with his bride, the former Mrs. Lorraine Rowan Shevlin of Washington, after their marriage here yesterday. Lorraine Cooper, 79, Leader In Washington Society, Dies By J.Y. Smith Washington Post Staff Writer. The Washington Post Feb 6, 1985 https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&noj=1&tbs=ar%3A1&tbm=nws&q=orsini+%22louis+rowan%22&oq=orsini+%22louis+rowan%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=serp.12...7560.11575.0.13199.13.13.0.0.0.0.345.1999.1j10j1j1.13.0.luoK5kvZmHwPrincess Laura Orsini of Pioneer Family Dies Los Angeles Times - Jan 17, 1957 Princess Orsini was born Laura Schwarz in 1880 in the home at 3rd and Main ... The three sons are Robert, George and Louis Rowan, who are chairman of the ... QUEEN'S KIN DIES AT 82 The Sun Princess and Prince Visitors Los Angeles Times - Feb 22, 1935 Princess Orsini and husband, Prince Dominico Orsini. on arrival here yesterday on ... and Louis Rowan and Mr Robert McAdoo, wife of a son Senator McAdoo. AT BEL-AIR HOME Los Angeles Times - Jan 8, 1963 ........................................... Dwight and Louisa! Jane Newell opened their Guatemalan-styled home in Pasadena for a traditional European Twelfth Night party Sunday, inviting close friends from both Pasadena and Los An- geles. Highlight of the party was the selection of a king and queen to reign over the festivities and the cut- ting of the Twelfth Night rake. Buffet supper was served and Bernie Rich- ards played for dancing. .Fran McComb of Pasa- dena was the king and Marcelle (Mrs. Ross) Urquhart of Bel-Air was queen. Louisa Jane's moth- er, Mrs. Carleton W. Al- 'op, assisted, as did the hostess' daughters, Misses Gina and Jane Judge. During'the evening Carleton Alsop proposed a toast to George L. Donald, former head butler at the estate in Pasa- aena in , was officiating at the party and had celebrated his 50th wedding anniversary with Mrs. Donald earlier in the day. Among those attending were Arlis Mattison, the Malcolm McDuffies, Luis and Dulce Odriozola. the Joe Koepflis, Lee and Gor- don Paul, Louis and Bid Pfau, George Rowan and READY to greet guests at Twelfth Night party are Mr. and Mrs. Dwight A. Newell, rear, and Mrs. Newell's daughters, Misses Jane, left, and Gina Judge, who assisted. Edited April 22, 2012 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) A great deal of thought must have gone into selecting the members of the Warren Commission. In many ways, the most interesting is John Sherman Cooper. He was the political "liberal" on the committee. He was also the Kennedy family representative. Here is an interesting extract from C. David Heymann's, The Georgetown Ladies' Social Club (2003): The assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, brought to an abrupt halt one of Georgetown's most fertile periods of social activity. "There were so many parties during the thousand days of Camelot," said Kennedy White House press secretary Pierre Salinger, who lived in Georgetown, "that they all blend into one. Camelot was one big, endless party." Referring to the encroachment of the Vietnam War, Ambassador Charles Whitehouse called Camelot "a beautiful sunset before an endlessly bitter night." Of JFK's many friends and admirers none was more anguished by his death than John Sherman Cooper. The Kentucky senator subsequently served on both the Warren Commission and on the committee selected by Jacqueline and Robert Kennedy to select a site and raise funds for the John F. Kennedy Library. Regarding his service on the Warren Commission, Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice." I know some members of the forum think that C. David Heymann is an unreliable source but what do you think of this so-called exchange between Cooper and Jackie? http://www.spartacus...USAcopperJS.htm "Senator Cooper publicly expressed dissatisfaction with the commission's findings, terming the group's 1964 report "premature and inconclusive." In no uncertain terms he informed Jack's surviving brothers, Robert and Teddy, that, having personally examined thousands of shreds of documentation, he felt strongly that Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone. When he expressed these same sentiments to Jackie, she responded: "What difference does it make? Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." "No, it won't," responded Cooper. "But it's important for this nation that we bring the true murderers to justice."" I believe it. Meaning I believe this conversation took place. I had a Facebook friend a few years ago who knew Jackie Kennedy personally - she would go into his shop often. This Facebook person would get very angry everytime I posted something on the JFK assassination. He told me that he knew Jackie personally. This Facebook "friend" would ask Jackie about the JFK assassination and she would reply. "What difference does it make. Knowing who killed him won't bring Jack back." Or something very similar. Literally the words of this Facebook "friend" were almost exactly as how Heymann quotes Jackie. That seems to be the attitude that Jackie has instilled in Caroline. Just look at the JFK Library's non-treatment of the JFK assassination. I called up the executive director of that library one time and he told me "I'm sorry you called" after I brought up the topic of the JFK assassination. Avoidance of the issue seems to be a key Kennedy family characteristic. As for John Sherman Cooper's comments ... is it true that he and his wife were close personal friends with JFK and Jackie, having socialized together and done things like taking in a movie together? Just asking. Edited April 22, 2012 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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