Anyone who can decipher the short hand on Fritz;s report?

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I cannot even upload the third page due to the upload restrictions......?

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Edited November 18, 2016 by Bart Kamp

[Chris Newton]

55 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

I cannot even upload the third page due to the upload restrictions......?

Bart, either delete some of your images from another thread or upload the new images to a site (like dropbox) and use the public link feature.

[Richard Price]

I'm definitely not an expert in this field, (or any other, for that matter) - but the markups on the pages along with the symbols/letters look a lot like a stenographer's shorthand and not Fritz's notes.  It looks like a document in the process of being finalized and the stenographer is making structural notes as well as some notations of actual script, some in cursive notation and some of which are not decipherable (for reasons unknown) unless you are familiar with shorthand.  Hopefully someone with more knowledge may be able to decipher if it is, or is not.

[Chris Newton]

This link might help a little - I think I can identify a few of the marks:

 

http://gregg.angelfishy.net/anunit01.shtml

[Pat Speer]

A little context would prove helpful. This is an early draft of Fritz's report from 12-23, correct? Where was this found? On the UNT site? Are there other early drafts at that site?

[Guest]

UNT yes, Fritz draft as well.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339169/m1/9/zoom/?resolution=1.5&lat=2659&lon=1096.5

Not aware of any other versions, but I have about 4 and they were all copies or ok-ish scans, these look fresher.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

I don't see any shorthand. Just standard editing marks.

The P with two lines means "new paragraph." (Though the P is supposed to be written backward.) The carat symbol ^ means "insert here." A tipped over S means that the order of two words is supposed to be reversed.

That the "new paragraph" mark is written backward probably indicates that an amateur did the editing.

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Edited November 20, 2016 by Sandy Larsen

[Chris Newton]

55 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I don't see any shorthand. Just standard editing marks.

Sandy,

You're somewhat correct, there are both kinds of marks on this page, editing and shorthand. The crossed out "scratch" in the middle of the page and in the right margin is shorthand. It looks like the longhand writing in the left margin is indicated to replace the shorthand. There are editing marks such as paragraph markers and some other symbols elsewhere in the document.

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Chris Newton said:

Sandy,

You're somewhat correct, there are both kinds of marks on this page, editing and shorthand. The crossed out "scratch" in the middle of the page and in the right margin is shorthand. It looks like the longhand writing in the left margin is indicated to replace the shorthand. There are editing marks such as paragraph markers and some other symbols elsewhere in the document.

Oh yeah, I see it now. I'm surprised a person who knows shorthand would write an editing mark backward. (Maybe it was two people using the same pen.)

It seems to me that the longhand you mention would be the English "translation" of the shorthand.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Sandy Larsen