Thomas Graves Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) "When I see Gratz and Parker falling over themselves to refute the info" Let's see my alleged refutation, shall we? In June 2004, I was asked a question on aajfk about how the rifle got into the TSBD. Ths was my reply: "I've taken it one step further and wondered if weapons were coming in and going out in those book crates." This article does add some evidence to that speculation. Much, much more would be needed to convince most, imo. Strike one. Let's see how the author responded to the above alleged refutation, shall we? Hello Greg, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Seems like he appreciated my comments, doesn't it? Strike two Strike three is not just that you have mischaracterized a past exchange between me and another poster - it is possibly the more egregious and low act of attempting to smear me by association with Tim Gratz and falsely claiming you have repeatedly shown me who I am. Of course, you don't attempt to substantiate the claim. You can't. All you have done is remind me in spades why I dumped this place. Mr Tidd... I have been following your posts here as one of the few bright lights in a sea of dreck. Your one unfortunate and near fatal error is aligning yourself with the Snake Oil Salesmen of "Harvey & Lee". If I have understood you correctly, your one (or at least main) reason for your 2 Oswald beliefs is because of Lee's ability to learn Russian so quickly. There is a very non-spooky reason for it. It's called Asperger's Syndrome. It explains every "oddball" and out of kilter characteristic of Oswald - and that includes his assimilation of languages and accents. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13092947-was-oswald-an-intelligent-agent- Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War: Why the Kennedy Assassination Should be Reinvestigated http://www.amazon.com/Harvey-Oswalds-Cold-Assassination-Reinvestigated-ebook/dp/B00IXOA5ZK (it said there were too many "quotes" in the post so I deleted some....) You have it all figgered out GP... Aspergers accounts for the fraudulent, conflicting evidence and the FBI's need to confiscate Jr High School records within 24 hours of the shots cause you know how his 9th grade english grades from Stripling in Ft Worth will help break the case... CE1961 GP - how long was Marine Basic Training in 1956... 5 or 13-16 weeks? or do those with Aspergers get a 8 week pass... Greg, you left cause you use unsourced, unsigned carbon copy FBI reports as FACT and then berate others for their evidence sources... on your own board you get brown nosed for it... here you actually have to defend yourself. Nice work on the personal CI though... you have a knack. You mentioned the gunrunning in 2004... nice. How do you explain the Feldsott affidavit and the likelihood that C2766 was sent to Kleins in June 1962... and then how it got to the TSBD? Was Kleins working with these men to siphon off guns to the anti-Castro Cubans... makes for an interesting theory... Did Dodd ever find anything on Kleins? Guess I need to do some reading up... GP, your poor attempts at refuting the H&L hard evidence is on par with Judy Baker, all talk and speculation, no meat... just FAITH... anyone with the ability to search this forum will be able to find our discussions and your presentation of reliable FBI source docs. The work stands on its own... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18558&page=5#entry258673 starts the conversation between me and Greg http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18558&page=8#entry259115 is the post where we look at the sources Greg offers as his proof... enjoy Yes, Greg. Can't you see that Harvey and Lee (and shouldn't we include "Henry," too?) were genetically engineered in the test tube to ensure that they would look only just barely sufficiently alike from childhood on to be able to fool so darn many people? LOL --Tommy Edited March 7, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Greg Parker, "Oswald" is a blur. So much so that I'm given to describing him as "Marina's husband". That way when I write about him, I'm writing about a person I can identify with certainty. The blur exists for two reasons, I believe. One is that on more than one occasion, "Oswald" was in two places at the same time, if one believes certain witnesses. The other is that certain parts of the "Oswald" historical record are inconsistent with what's known of Marina's husband. For example, I have an old "Life" magazine in which there's a schoolroom picture of 13-year-old "Oswald" turned and smiling into the camera, missing an upper front tooth, which has just been knocked out in a fight. That would have been a permanent tooth. Marina's husband, as I understand, had all of his front teeth, naturally. Maybe John Armstrong doesn't get everything right, but I give him credit for investigating the causes of the blur. As for "Oswald" having Aspergers, what behaviors of his correspond to the syndrome's symptoms? In particular, to your knowledge, did "Oswald" have problems with eye contact, peer relationships, facial expressions, social gestures? Was he especially poor at social give and take? Was he unusually pre-occupied with certain subjects? Did he engage in repetitive behaviors or rituals? As for assimilation of accents, that comes only from hearing the language spoken by native speaker. Oswald could not have developed the Baltic accent of which Marina spoke simply from studying books or newspapers. Question: With whom did "Oswald" interact in the U.S. or in Japan who was a native speaker of the Russian language? Jon, By the numbers: 1 ) Oswald's tooth was, indeed, knocked out at school one day. Someone suggested that he put the tooth in a glass of milk and go to the dentist, which he did, The dentist put the tooth back in its rightful place and it "took". The tooth reestablished itself at an angle, however, but at least Oswald, the one and only Oswald, still had a full set of teeth.. 2 ) Question: Does a person who is suffering from a mental illness by definition have to exhibit all of the symptoms of that illness? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome 3 ) As for Oswald's "Baltic Russian accent," would the Hungarian boy's (Harvey? Lee? Henry? I do get them so darn confused!) spoken Russian have resembled Baltic Russian? Maybe so, in that Hungarian and Finnish (and Basque, which doesn't count here) are from the same non-Indo European linguistic subfamily, the name of which I forget at the moment. So maybe you do have a point there -- that a person raised by Russian-speaking Hungarians could sound to a native Russian speaker as though they were from Finland. But aren't there any other simpler but equally-plausible explanations? There's so much to learn isn't there, Jon. --Tommy PS Could Marina have meant "Balkan" instead of "Baltic"? Was she mis-interpreted? 3 a. ) Yes, I realize that I'm arguing against myself here. But that's the way I am -- open minded to rational possibilities. Caveat: The operative word here is rational. Bummer, huh? Edited March 7, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Well done Tommy, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Tommy, I'm going to ask my dentist about the tooth. As for Aspergers, I understand there are the specific symptoms I've listed but that in a given individual one or more of the symptoms may be either pronounced or subdued. BTW I did not intend to dispute Greg Parker on his Aspergers claim: I was just trying to elicit any information he might have that corroborates the claim. As for Oswald's alleged accent in speaking Russian, haven't you written here Tommy that you lived for a time in what today is called the Czech Republic? If you did, do you believe a person could learn to speak the Czech language with a correct accent without having learned from a native Czech speaker to speak the language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Tommy, I'm going to ask my dentist about the tooth. As for Aspergers, I understand there are the specific symptoms I've listed but that in a given individual one or more of the symptoms may be either pronounced or subdued. BTW I did not intend to dispute Greg Parker on his Aspergers claim: I was just trying to elicit any information he might have that corroborates the claim. As for Oswald's alleged accent in speaking Russian, haven't you written here Tommy that you lived for a time in what today is called the Czech Republic? If you did, do you believe a person could learn to speak the Czech language with a correct accent without having learned from a native Czech speaker to speak the language? Jon, Yes, No, but I'm afraid that it might be a case of your trying to compares apples and avocados because Czech is rather unique. Although Czech is an Indo-European language (as is German, English, Russian, French, etc.) it is much more highly-inflected (grammatical term for the day: "cases") than most other Indo-European languages. It has seven "cases" compared to German's four and English's two-and-one-half mis-mashed (sp?) ones. Russian itself has six cases. Czech also has a particular letter in its alphabet ( R with a hook-shaped diacritical mark above it) which requires the speaker to make a sound unlike any other sound in any other language (it took me two years to master it). To be continued. I'm gonna get another cup of coffee.... So, in answer to your question I would have to say "Ne, neni mozna, Pane Tidd. Abych byl to prlis tesky (sp?), taky pro Ruskem." Or something like that. No, it isn't possible, Mr. Tidd. It would be too difficult, even for Russians. But like I said, I don't think it's a fair comparison as regards the alleged linguistic abilities of "Marina's husband" or whoever is was she thought she was married to, but wasn't, and who looked amazingly similar to "Lee Harvey Oswald." --Tommy PS Here's a little bit of Czech language for ya'll. Try runnin' some of that through Google Translate or Babble-On. LOL http://a2larm.cz/2014/12/proc-dnes-uz-neni-zadna-revoluce-mozna/ Edited March 8, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Greg Parker, "Oswald" is a blur. So much so that I'm given to describing him as "Marina's husband". That way when I write about him, I'm writing about a person I can identify with certainty. The blur exists for two reasons, I believe. One is that on more than one occasion, "Oswald" was in two places at the same time, if one believes certain witnesses. The other is that certain parts of the "Oswald" historical record are inconsistent with what's known of Marina's husband. For example, I have an old "Life" magazine in which there's a schoolroom picture of 13-year-old "Oswald" turned and smiling into the camera, missing an upper front tooth, which has just been knocked out in a fight. That would have been a permanent tooth. Marina's husband, as I understand, had all of his front teeth, naturally. Maybe John Armstrong doesn't get everything right, but I give him credit for investigating the causes of the blur. As for "Oswald" having Aspergers, what behaviors of his correspond to the syndrome's symptoms? In particular, to your knowledge, did "Oswald" have problems with eye contact, peer relationships, facial expressions, social gestures? Was he especially poor at social give and take? Was he unusually pre-occupied with certain subjects? Did he engage in repetitive behaviors or rituals? As for assimilation of accents, that comes only from hearing the language spoken by native speaker. Oswald could not have developed the Baltic accent of which Marina spoke simply from studying books or newspapers. Question: With whom did "Oswald" interact in the U.S. or in Japan who was a native speaker of the Russian language? Oswald is a blur if you confine yourself to superficial accounts via books instead of diving into the records. Armstrong has next to nothing right. The tooth? The photo? The photo is a vastly blown up section of a photo. His tooth was not knocked out--- Armstrong was being selective in who he interviewed. Voebel was not unequivocal about the tooth Mr. VOEBEL. Yes; I think he even lost a tooth from that. I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out.--Warren Commission: Vol. 8, Page 3 But Armstrong, who went to extraordinary lengths to interview others, steered clear of any witness he knew he couldn't turn to his theory. Here is one example Mrs. SMITH. One fight really impressed me, I guess because there was this boy--he wasn't going to Beauregard, this boy he had the fight with, and he was a little guy. I think his name was Robin Riley. He hit Lee, and his tooth came through his lip. It was not knocked out. Ms Smith was unequivocal about that. More here http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t227-armstrong-s-magic-tooth-and-the-facts-about-harvey-at-beauregard including the real identity of the kid Armstrong got DeRouse to say was "Harvey". There will be yet another witness quoted in the next volume of my book. Oswald is of course, never in two places at once. All cases can be explained. Some are the result of false memory/mistaken identity of a rather nondescript individual. Some are the result of a deliberate (or psychologically driven) need to push an agenda or insert oneself into history as a witness. The third and least representative example is a deliberate use of Oswald's name. (Mexico City) I'm sure you are aware of the number of people who phone claiming they have spotted "Mr. X" in Smokey Joe's Cafe after every big case breaks.... Most - and possibly all - of the Dallas/Oak Cliff sightings are simply mistaken identity for Larry Crafard. Re Asperger's - Thomas is quite right. As with any syndrome, there are sets and subsets of behaviors, abilities/disabilities. It is a spectrum disorder and Oswald would have been placed as a high functioning type - had he been tested. But AS was not recognized by the US at the time and even now, the diagnosis given at Youth House, is one sometimes mistakenly given for AS. I have discussed it with one of the world's leading authorities, and though he was reluctant to state outright - yes, Oswald had AS (as you would expect from a professional), he did think it was an intriguing and distinct possibility. Your insistence that Russian can only be learned one way may be true of the general population - but not true of those whose brains are wired differently. On eye contact - as it happens - yes - long before I even had any thought about AS, I had interviewed Ruanne Kloepfer who had visited the Oswalds with her mother, Ruth Kloepfer at the behest of Ruth Paine. Ruanne - who trained in psychology and went on to be a specialist in genetic diseases - told me that Oswald was unable to make eye contact with her. In some photos, his stance is awkward. He is noted time again by people who knew him in various stages of his life from infancy, how erect he carried himself. His messy writing is a noted AS trait. His inability to take argument past a certain level before going back and repeating is another trait. His social aloofness - and in particular - his total distaste for small talk is a big clue. There is a lot more, as well... Edited March 8, 2015 by Greg Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) "When I see Gratz and Parker falling over themselves to refute the info" Let's see my alleged refutation, shall we? In June 2004, I was asked a question on aajfk about how the rifle got into the TSBD. Ths was my reply: "I've taken it one step further and wondered if weapons were coming in and going out in those book crates." This article does add some evidence to that speculation. Much, much more would be needed to convince most, imo. Strike one. Let's see how the author responded to the above alleged refutation, shall we? Hello Greg, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Seems like he appreciated my comments, doesn't it? Strike two Strike three is not just that you have mischaracterized a past exchange between me and another poster - it is possibly the more egregious and low act of attempting to smear me by association with Tim Gratz and falsely claiming you have repeatedly shown me who I am. Of course, you don't attempt to substantiate the claim. You can't. All you have done is remind me in spades why I dumped this place. Mr Tidd... I have been following your posts here as one of the few bright lights in a sea of dreck. Your one unfortunate and near fatal error is aligning yourself with the Snake Oil Salesmen of "Harvey & Lee". If I have understood you correctly, your one (or at least main) reason for your 2 Oswald beliefs is because of Lee's ability to learn Russian so quickly. There is a very non-spooky reason for it. It's called Asperger's Syndrome. It explains every "oddball" and out of kilter characteristic of Oswald - and that includes his assimilation of languages and accents. http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13092947-was-oswald-an-intelligent-agent- Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War: Why the Kennedy Assassination Should be Reinvestigated http://www.amazon.com/Harvey-Oswalds-Cold-Assassination-Reinvestigated-ebook/dp/B00IXOA5ZK (it said there were too many "quotes" in the post so I deleted some....) You have it all figgered out GP... Aspergers accounts for the fraudulent, conflicting evidence and the FBI's need to confiscate Jr High School records within 24 hours of the shots cause you know how his 9th grade english grades from Stripling in Ft Worth will help break the case... CE1961 GP - how long was Marine Basic Training in 1956... 5 or 13-16 weeks? or do those with Aspergers get a 8 week pass... Greg, you left cause you use unsourced, unsigned carbon copy FBI reports as FACT and then berate others for their evidence sources... on your own board you get brown nosed for it... here you actually have to defend yourself. Nice work on the personal CI though... you have a knack. You mentioned the gunrunning in 2004... nice. How do you explain the Feldsott affidavit and the likelihood that C2766 was sent to Kleins in June 1962... and then how it got to the TSBD? Was Kleins working with these men to siphon off guns to the anti-Castro Cubans... makes for an interesting theory... Did Dodd ever find anything on Kleins? Guess I need to do some reading up... GP, your poor attempts at refuting the H&L hard evidence is on par with Judy Baker, all talk and speculation, no meat... just FAITH... anyone with the ability to search this forum will be able to find our discussions and your presentation of reliable FBI source docs. The work stands on its own... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18558&page=5#entry258673 starts the conversation between me and Greg http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18558&page=8#entry259115 is the post where we look at the sources Greg offers as his proof... enjoy All this does is reinforce yours and your Guru's MO. Anything documented that supports H & L is a-okay - any document that goes against it, is faked and fraudulent, and anyone whose testimony goes against H & L theory is simply ignored. Are you so bereft of self-awareness that you fail to see you got your ass handed to you in those threads? That your ONLY defense was "the documents are faked" defense? You did show some signs back then that you "got" it. That you recognized for example that you were misreading the Beauregard school records, but you backslid to the point that it is useless debating you. But I'm quite happy for you rant and rave all you want about "faked" documents and anything else you want to rave about because it simply undoes you even further and saves me the effort. for Mr Tidd and anyone else interested in the facts on some of Armstrong's claims. http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/f13-the-harvey-lee-evidence Edited March 8, 2015 by Greg Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Was there a set-up distinct from the cover-up? By "cover-up" I mean acts intended to blur or conceal or falsify the facts of the assassination. Acts performed post-assassination. By "set-up" I mean acts intended to implicate falsely Marina's husband ("Oswald", or if you prefer, "Harvey") as the killer of JFK. Acts performed pre-assassination. I define the terms "cover-up" and "set-up" in order to facilitate an exchange of ideas. If you don't like my definitions and want to use "cover-up" or "set-up" to mean other than the meaning I've given, please provide your own definition, so that back-and-forth may remain rational and focused. I do not know the answer to the question I pose. I do know this, however: [1] If there was a set-up distinct from the cover-up, not all those involved in the cover-up necessarily had foreknowledge of or complicity in the assassination. [2] If there was a set-up distinct from the cover-up, every individual who knowingly and voluntarily participated in or otherwise facilitated the set-up committed conspiracy to murder JFK. [3] If the set-up and cover-up were not distinct, they were not distinct for one of four reasons: [a] Either there was no set-up. Or there was no cover-up. [c] Or there was neither a set-up nor a cover-up. [d] Or there were both a set-up and a cover-up, under common control, that were intended to be parts of a single plan. The reason I don't know the answer to the question I pose is that I'm not sure there was a set-up the way I've defined it. I'm not sure because [a] I don't know the truth about Oswald's actions leading up to the assassination; and I don't know the truth about the physical items used to implicate Oswald. Here's how I lean, I lean toward believing whatever Oswald did, he did for his own reasons. I lean toward believing Oswald, like almost anyone, was capable of being influenced -- not in his reasoning but in the assumptions on which he acted. I lean toward believing the Mannlicher-Carcanno in the National Archives was not found in the TSBD. I lean toward believing the backyard photos were created post-assassination. So, according to my own definitions, I tend to lean toward there having been a cover-up but no set-up. This is a somewhat unsatisfactory conclusion to me. It doesn't feel right. It allocates to the cover-up all post-assassination acts intended to implicate Oswald falsely in the murder of JFK. In particular, it allocates to the cover-up acts intended to implicate Oswald falsely that were performed between the time of JFK's murder and the time of Oswald's arrest. These acts may include the murder of J.D. Tippit and the police broadcast of a Robert-Webster-like description. I resolve my lack of satisfaction this way: It's possible Oswald was not set up as I've defined set-up; i.e., was not set up pre-assassination to take the fall. It's possible Oswald through his own voluntary acts simply made himself into an ideal patsy. And it's possible there was a criminal conspiracy to implicate him in JFK's (and possibly also in J.D. Tippit's) murder that commenced immediately following JFK's murder. Such a conspiracy could have worked in parallel to the cover-up, which began quickly and which certainly served the purpose of any such a conspiracy, but which was not part of such conspiracy. Getting back on track... Oswald was placed in the building using a subterfuge. He was placed there to replace the previous FBI informant who had been keeping tabs on Joe Molina. On this, I tip my lid to the work of Lee Farley. I have identified the program that this came under. My own take on why - solely to frame him for the assassination. Truly was the "inside" man. He had "control" over certain other loyal employees. The frame carried out by the DPD was sloppy. It was sloppy because historically, they never had any need to be careful. The whole justice system in Dallas was stitched up. Even defense lawyers were "in" on it. I will continue to ignore references to giant invisible rabbits taking any part in this. All local Dallas false sightings were of Larry Crafard, The MC use of Oswald's name is the only beyond dispute, legit example - and it had zero to do with the assassination. There was one other possible real example of a deliberate impostor in the Soviet Union. If I am correct, he was the person interviewed by Miss Prissy (the good looking six footer). He also seems to have bobbed up in Minsk. Again - even if true (and I slightly lean that way), it had nothing to do with the assassination. I also believe I know who this person was (a CIA agent)... The Odio incident was not Oswald. She admitted in her testimony that the name used was "Leon" and that name "Oswald" had not been mentioned. Again, I have a good idea who that person was... You mention the physical evidence? It all had a purpose... even the Cox box top.... and the American Bakeries pay stub.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Parker... This is why you never post evidence or the links. You're wrong every time. The source is always in conflict with what you said it said. The men who called back the next day did not use the name Oswald... So now rant and rave and tell me I'm changing the subject or some such nonsense, then go back to your yes-man forum where you putting up 25 of 28 posts per thread supposedly counts as a discussion. I know who Leon Oswald was too... As did Sylvia and her sister. Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt. Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned when your sister saw Oswald's picture on television that she almost passed out. Did she recognize him, do you know, as the man that had been in the apartment?Mrs. ODIO. She said, "Sylvia, you know that man?" And I said, "Yes," and she said, "I know him." "He was the one that came to our door, and it couldn't be so, could it?"That was our first interview. We were very much concerned after that. We were concerned and very scared, because I mean, it was such a shock. The Odio incident was not Oswald. She admitted in her testimony that the name used was "Leon" and that name "Oswald" had not been mentioned. Again, I have a good idea who that person was... Mrs. ODIO. They told me they were coming because of the assassination of President Kennedy, that they had news that I knew or I had known Lee Harvey Oswald. And I told them that I had not known him as Lee Harvey Oswald, but that he was introduced to me as Leon Oswald. And he said, "We wanted you to meet this American. His name is Leon Oswald." He repeated it twice. Then my sister Annie by that time was standing near the door. Mrs. ODIO. The next day Leopoldo called me. I had gotten home from work, so I imagine it must have been Friday. And they had come on Thursday. I have been trying to establish that. He was trying to get fresh with me that night. He was trying to be too nice, telling me that I was pretty, and he started like that. That is the way he started the conversation. Then he said, "What do you think of the American?" And I said, "I didn't think anything." And he said, "You know our idea is to introduce him to the underground in Cuba, because he is great, he is kind of nuts." This was more or less--I can't repeat the exact words, because he was kind of nuts. He told us we don't have any guts, you Cubans, because President Kennedy should have been assassinated filter the Bay of Pigs, and some Cubans should have done that, because he was the one that was holding the freedom of Cuba actually. And I started getting a little upset with the conversation.And he said, "It is so easy to do it." He has told us. And he (Leopoldo) used two or three bad words, and I wouldn't repeat it in Spanish. And he repeated again they were leaving for a trip and they would like very much to see me on their return to Dallas. Then he mentioned something more about Oswald. They called him Leon. He never mentioned the name Oswald All local Dallas false sightings were of Larry Crafard Larry Crafard? This dude http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0098b.htm is your idea of who Ruby called "Lee" all summer 1963 in Dallas while Ozzie was in NOLA? Of of those who tells us they see Ruby with Lee... Ok GP... Edited March 8, 2015 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Mrs. Odio ...Then he mentioned something more about Oswald. They called him Leon. He never mentioned the name Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER. He never mentioned the name of Oswald on the telephone? Mrs. ODIO. He never mentioned his last name. He always referred to the American or Leon. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he mention his last name the night before? Mrs. ODIO. Before they left I asked their names again, and he mentioned their names again. Mr. LIEBELER. But he did not mention Oswald's name except as Leon? Mrs. ODIO. On the telephone conversation he referred to him as Leon or American. He said he had been a Marine and he was so interested in helping the Cubans, and he was terrific. That is the words he more or less used, in Spanish, that he was terrific. And I don't remember what else he said, or something that he was coming back or something, and he would see me. It's been a long time and I don't remember too well, that is more or less what he said. So, yes, David, she did say the name Oswald was mentioned, but then claimed it wasn't mentioned on the phone, and when Liebeler tried to clarify whether that also applied to the day before, she doesn't give a straight answer... "he gave their names again" doesn't answer that FULL names were given, and then she changes back to what was not said on the phone. She was diagnosed as a "grand hysteric". They are the easiest people in the world to dupe in various ways... and she had a svengali type person close to her pulling her strings who worked with the exiles... In any case, she let the cat out of the bag - the name Oswald was never mentioned and any suggestion it was is ludicrous on the face of it because you then have the Cubans using aliases... but Oswald simply changing "Lee" for "Leon"... yeah... that works... not. It makes no sense as an alias to disguise who you are - and makes no sense as someone impersonating him to tie him to anything nefarious - otherwise you would give the name correctly as "Lee Oswald". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) {yawn} "the name Oswald was never mentioned" And he said, "We wanted you to meet this American. His name is Leon Oswald." He repeated it twice. Then my sister Annie by that time was standing near the door. come to any conclusion you want Edited March 8, 2015 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 {yawn} Now that's an intelligent reply. --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Tommy, I'm going to ask my dentist about the tooth. As for Aspergers, I understand there are the specific symptoms I've listed but that in a given individual one or more of the symptoms may be either pronounced or subdued. BTW I did not intend to dispute Greg Parker on his Aspergers claim: I was just trying to elicit any information he might have that corroborates the claim. As for Oswald's alleged accent in speaking Russian, haven't you written here Tommy that you lived for a time in what today is called the Czech Republic? If you did, do you believe a person could learn to speak the Czech language with a correct accent without having learned from a native Czech speaker to speak the language? The tooth was not knocked out. I will have the full story out later this year. FWIW though, even if it had been knocked out, I believe your dentist will confirm it could be reset. More on Asperger's and foreign languages from the expert I contacted.... https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZwQGsuCNMPYC&lpg=PA225&ots=7r3MCezgsf&dq=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&pg=PA225#v=onepage&q=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Tommy, I'm going to ask my dentist about the tooth. As for Aspergers, I understand there are the specific symptoms I've listed but that in a given individual one or more of the symptoms may be either pronounced or subdued. BTW I did not intend to dispute Greg Parker on his Aspergers claim: I was just trying to elicit any information he might have that corroborates the claim. As for Oswald's alleged accent in speaking Russian, haven't you written here Tommy that you lived for a time in what today is called the Czech Republic? If you did, do you believe a person could learn to speak the Czech language with a correct accent without having learned from a native Czech speaker to speak the language? The tooth was not knocked out. I will have the full story out later this year. FWIW though, even if it had been knocked out, I believe your dentist will confirm it could be reset. More on Asperger's and foreign languages from the expert I contacted.... https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZwQGsuCNMPYC&lpg=PA225&ots=7r3MCezgsf&dq=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&pg=PA225#v=onepage&q=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&f=false Greg, Tried to send you a PM here. Thanks for dropping in. In my book, you're welcome here any time. --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Tommy, I'm going to ask my dentist about the tooth. As for Aspergers, I understand there are the specific symptoms I've listed but that in a given individual one or more of the symptoms may be either pronounced or subdued. BTW I did not intend to dispute Greg Parker on his Aspergers claim: I was just trying to elicit any information he might have that corroborates the claim. As for Oswald's alleged accent in speaking Russian, haven't you written here Tommy that you lived for a time in what today is called the Czech Republic? If you did, do you believe a person could learn to speak the Czech language with a correct accent without having learned from a native Czech speaker to speak the language? The tooth was not knocked out. I will have the full story out later this year. FWIW though, even if it had been knocked out, I believe your dentist will confirm it could be reset. More on Asperger's and foreign languages from the expert I contacted.... https://books.google.com.au/books?id=ZwQGsuCNMPYC&lpg=PA225&ots=7r3MCezgsf&dq=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&pg=PA225#v=onepage&q=asperger's%20syndrome%20foreign%20languages&f=false Greg, Tried to send you a PM here. Thanks for dropping in. In my book, you're welcome here any time. --Tommy Thank you, Tommy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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