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#1 Tim Gratz

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 06:27 AM

I found this on the Internet (in an article on "mysterious deaths").

On December 8, 1963 the body of Jack Zangetty was found floating in an Oklahoma lake with bullet holes in his chest, and he had been dead for about two weeks. After the assassination Zangetty, the manager of a modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, had remarked to some friends that “Three other men, not Oswald, killed the President.” He had also stated that “A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination.”

Does anyone know the original source of this story and whether it is credible?

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 10:11 AM

I found this on the Internet (in an article on "mysterious deaths").

On December 8, 1963 the body of Jack Zangetty was found floating in an Oklahoma lake with bullet holes in his chest, and he had been dead for about two weeks. After the assassination Zangetty, the manager of a modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, had remarked to some friends that “Three other men, not Oswald, killed the President.” He had also stated that “A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination.”

Does anyone know the original source of this story and whether it is credible?


TIM, I got Mr. Zangretti, spelled with an R, down in my TOP 20 list of related, unsolved homicides, and the Lake Lugert, in Texas, but I recall him being in Oklamhoma. These are not mysterious deaths, but certifiable murders, with no statute of limitations. I don't recall my source, but will check it out.

B. Kelly



RELATED UNSOLVED HOMICIDES – And their Jurisdictions. Human Hearts.

1)Henry Marshall – June 3, 1961 – Franklin, Texas. Gassed with Carbon Monixide then shot seven times with rifle.

2)John F. Kennedy – November 22, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Shot in head by sniper(s).UNSUB#1 & UNSUB#2.

3)J.D. Tippit – November 22, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Dallas policeman shot by pedestrian. UNSUB #3.

4)Lee Harvey Oswald – November 24, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Suspect shot by JACK RUBY in police custody.

5)Karyn Kupcient – November 26, 1963 – Los Angeles, California. Strangled in apartment. UNSUB #4.

6)Jack Zangretti – December, 1963 – Lake Lugert, Chicago mobster shot by UNSUB #5 in gangland style.

7)Jim Koethe – September 21, 1964 – Dallas, Texas. Reporter assaulted in apartment by UNSUB #6.(Same MO as 4)

8)Mary Pinocot Meyer – October 12, 1964 – Georgetown Canal, Washington D.C. Assaulted by UNSUB #7.

9)Elidio Delvalle – February, 1967 – Miami, Florida. Murdered in automobile on streetcorne by UNSUB #8.

10)Martin Luther King, Jr. – 1968 – Memphis, Tenn. Shot by sniper UNSUB #9

11)Robert F. Kennedy – June, 1968 – Los Angeles, California. Shot by handgun UNSUB #10 with Sirhan B. Sirhan.

12)Salvadore Allende – September 11, 1972 – Santiago, Chile. Assassinated during military coup.

13)Charles Horman – September, 1972 – Santiago, Chile. Murdered by assassination squad of Augusta Pinochet.

14)Jose Dela Torriente – April 12, 1974 – Florida. Former Collins Radio Cuban, shot by sniper UNSUB #11

15)Dave Yaras – 1974 – Chicago. Mobster murdered gangland style. UNSUB #12

16)Charles Nicoletti – 1974 – Chicago. Murdered gangland style. UNSUB #13

17)Sam Giancana – 1975 – Chicago. Murdered gangland style. UNSUB #14

18)John Roselli – July, 1976 – Florida. Shot on boat, chopped and deep sixed in oil can. UNSUB #15

19)Orlando Letelier/Ronnie Moffitt – September, 1976. Dupont Circle, Washington D.C. Double bombing victims.

20)Navy Lt. Pitzer. Bethesda, Maryland. Suspicious death, considered murder. UNSUB #16

“I met Murder on the way –
He had a mask like Castlereagh:
Very smooth he looked, yet grim;
Seven bloodhounds followed him.

All were fat; and well they might
Be in admirable plight,
For one by one, and two by two,
He tossed them human hearts to chew.”

- The Masque of Anarchy. From: “Studies In Murder” by Edmund Lester Pearson.

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 10:44 AM

Thank you, Bill. Any idea why he knew what he did?

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 07:18 PM

Thank you, Bill. Any idea why he knew what he did?


You know, I've been trying to think of where I first got that information.

Maybe Marrs' book.

I remember being mad that it didn't have an index, so that narrows it down a bit.

My books were packed away last year and I drove them in a truck to John Judge's archives in DC, so now I can only use them when I'm there, and only have a half-dozen books to work with where I'm at.

As for Mr. Z., I think he was an oil man, there was a mention of being from Chicago and hooked up with the mob. There's also that Cuban connection to Oklahoma, where a car load of Cubans stop for gas.

Cold case files must be routinely reviewed every few years, so it shouldn't be difficult to get the info from the relevant police department's homicide squad.

B. Kelly

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Posted 20 November 2005 - 11:11 PM


Thank you, Bill. Any idea why he knew what he did?


You know, I've been trying to think of where I first got that information.

Maybe Marrs' book.

I remember being mad that it didn't have an index, so that narrows it down a bit.

My books were packed away last year and I drove them in a truck to John Judge's archives in DC, so now I can only use them when I'm there, and only have a half-dozen books to work with where I'm at.

As for Mr. Z., I think he was an oil man, there was a mention of being from Chicago and hooked up with the mob. There's also that Cuban connection to Oklahoma, where a car load of Cubans stop for gas.

Cold case files must be routinely reviewed every few years, so it shouldn't be difficult to get the info from the relevant police department's homicide squad.

B. Kelly


Bill, I found this on the internet which may refresh your memory

http://www.totse.com...s/jfknowit.html

Also, I have a copy of Crossfire and after a quick look through all I found about Zangretti was his name and a short blurb about Zangretti in the Mysterious Deaths section. The index of Crossfire didn't list his name.

"Jack Zangretti* Expressed foreknowledge of Gunshot victim Ruby shooting Oswald 2/64 page 574"
The above was all that I found.

Jack Zangretti doesen't seem to be mentioned much in Assassination lore, this was all she wrote on namebase.org.
http://www.namebase....angretti, Jack

FYI Lou Staples who is also mentioned under mysterious deaths in Crossfire, also died in Oklahoma.

Zangretti died at Lake Altus-Lugert which is around the North fork of the Red River, which is around the county border between Greer and Kiowa Counties.

Staples body was found in or around Yukon, OK which is appx. 30-60? miles West of Oklahoma City, I believe. Could there possibly? be a connection to their deaths?

Also, at the risk of being mistaken wasn't there a Oklahoma connection to the John Liggett embalmer story on one of the later Men Who Killed Kennedy DVD's? I remember that he seemed to live in Dallas with Lois but I watched the episode last year around this time, and I thought there was some type of Oklahoma connection, I could be wrong. See Link

http://educationforu....php/t3486.html

I suppose the most compelling item to me is the foreknowlege aspect of Zangretti's info about Oswald/Ruby and Sinatra Jr.

Also
http://www.sinatraar.../tis/cold1.html

http://en.wikipedia....i/Frank_Sinatra

If you have some time somewhere on the Forum, is a thread about Marilyn Monroe's death and an allegation that Sinatra and a mob figure beat and raped her a week or two prior to her death. I don't know where it is off the top of my head. I found it late one night when I was searching the Net about Dorothy Kilgallen.

BTW Who were the kidnappers who were arrested and convicted? The Sinatra Jr. kidnapping is something I am afraid I am not very familiar with. Why do I doubt they are still alive?

Edited by Robert Howard, 20 November 2005 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:11 AM

Robert, re what happened to Marilyn Monroe, suggest you read "Doublecross".

Very interesting infomation in your post re an "Oklahoma connection". Thanks!

Has anyone else attempted to connect the Sinatra kidnapping with the assassination?

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 06:43 AM

You know, I've been trying to think of where I first got that information.

Maybe Marrs' book.

I remember being mad that it didn't have an index, so that narrows it down a bit.


Bill,

You're probably thinking of Penn Jones Jr.'s Forgive My Grief. Jones appears to have been first to publish this story, his source unknown, with the name spelled Zangetti, as Jones also spelled it in the linked article.

There is a short entry on this guy in Bensons' Who's Who in the JFK Assassination (Benson spells it Zangretti after Marrs), and the only source he cites is Forgive My Grief IV, 108-109.

FWIW (usually not much) Posner also cites Jones as the source, and writes (CC p. 493), "There is no support for Jones's claim, and the author could find no record of such a death."

Ron

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:22 AM


You know, I've been trying to think of where I first got that information.

Maybe Marrs' book.

I remember being mad that it didn't have an index, so that narrows it down a bit.


Bill,

You're probably thinking of Penn Jones Jr.'s Forgive My Grief. Jones appears to have been first to publish this story, his source unknown, with the name spelled Zangetti, as Jones also spelled it in the linked article.

There is a short entry on this guy in Bensons' Who's Who in the JFK Assassination (Benson spells it Zangretti after Marrs), and the only source he cites is Forgive My Grief IV, 108-109.

FWIW (usually not much) Posner also cites Jones as the source, and writes (CC p. 493), "There is no support for Jones's claim, and the author could find no record of such a death."

Ron



Thanks Ron,

Well, I'm glad the Poz closed the case on Mr. Z. So we don't have to waste our time going down that alley.

BK

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:29 AM

Bill,

Posner closed the case on everything. We need waste our time going down any alleys! (HA, HA!)

Edited by Tim Gratz, 21 November 2005 - 07:30 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2005 - 12:15 PM

For William.

Last came anarchy he rode
on a white horse, splashed wth blood
he was pale, even to the lips
like death in the apocalypse

and he wore a Kingly crown
and in his grasp a sceptre shone
on his brow this mark I saw
I AM GOD, AND KING, AND LAW.

Percy Bysshe Shelly.

Written on the occasion of the massacre carried out by troops acting under the orders of the British Government, at Peterloo, Manchester 1819. Read the whole poem, a brilliant expose of the brutality of the the State, WHEN PEOPLE GET IN THE WAY OF VESTED INTEREST'S.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:19 PM

Ah, Yes, Shelly.

I'm more of a Yeats man.

"Turning ad turning on the widening gyre,
The falcon cannont hear the falconer;
Things fall apat; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The cremony of innocense is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity...." (The Second Coming)

And Stephen, being from Cambridge, have you ever checked out the records of Cambridge University or have any interest in the Philby/Burgess/McLean/Blunt spy ring?

Blunt came to USA in fall of 63' to give lectures at Penn State University Art School, where Julio Fernandez, Jr. was in attendence at the time, and activelly engaged in anti-Castro activities. James Bond, the American author of the book Birds of the West Indies, from whom Ian Fleming appropriated the name for 007, also attended Cambridge. V. Mitrokin, the KGB Archivist with JFK Assassination disinformation also ended up at Cambridge. It must be a very interesting place.

And, BTW, Guy Fawks is the name of one of my favorite pubs in NYC.

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For William.

Last came anarchy he rode
on a white horse, splashed wth blood
he was pale, even to the lips
like death in the apocalypse

and he wore a Kingly crown
and in his grasp a sceptre shone
on his brow this mark I saw
I AM GOD, AND KING, AND LAW.

Percy Bysshe Shelly.

Written on the occasion of the massacre carried out by troops acting under the orders of the British Government, at Peterloo, Manchester 1819. Read the whole poem, a brilliant expose of the brutality of the the State, WHEN PEOPLE GET IN THE WAY OF VESTED INTEREST'S.



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I found this on the Internet (in an article on "mysterious deaths").

On December 8, 1963 the body of Jack Zangetty was found floating in an Oklahoma lake with bullet holes in his chest, and he had been dead for about two weeks. After the assassination Zangetty, the manager of a modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, had remarked to some friends that “Three other men, not Oswald, killed the President.” He had also stated that “A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination.”

Does anyone know the original source of this story and whether it is credible?


TIM, I got Mr. Zangretti, spelled with an R, down in my TOP 20 list of related, unsolved homicides, and the Lake Lugert, in Texas, but I recall him being in Oklamhoma. These are not mysterious deaths, but certifiable murders, with no statute of limitations. I don't recall my source, but will check it out.

B. Kelly

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RELATED UNSOLVED HOMICIDES – And their Jurisdictions. Human Hearts.

1)Henry Marshall – June 3, 1961 – Franklin, Texas. Gassed with Carbon Monixide then shot seven times with rifle.

2)John F. Kennedy – November 22, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Shot in head by sniper(s).UNSUB#1 & UNSUB#2.

3)J.D. Tippit – November 22, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Dallas policeman shot by pedestrian. UNSUB #3.

4)Lee Harvey Oswald – November 24, 1963 – Dallas, Texas. Suspect shot by JACK RUBY in police custody.

5)Karyn Kupcient – November 26, 1963 – Los Angeles, California. Strangled in apartment. UNSUB #4.

6)Jack Zangretti – December, 1963 – Lake Lugert, Chicago mobster shot by UNSUB #5 in gangland style.

7)Jim Koethe – September 21, 1964 – Dallas, Texas. Reporter assaulted in apartment by UNSUB #6.(Same MO as 4)

8)Mary Pinocot Meyer – October 12, 1964 – Georgetown Canal, Washington D.C. Assaulted by UNSUB #7.

9)Elidio Delvalle – February, 1967 – Miami, Florida. Murdered in automobile on streetcorne by UNSUB #8.

10)Martin Luther King, Jr. – 1968 – Memphis, Tenn. Shot by sniper UNSUB #9

11)Robert F. Kennedy – June, 1968 – Los Angeles, California. Shot by handgun UNSUB #10 with Sirhan B. Sirhan.

12)Salvadore Allende – September 11, 1972 – Santiago, Chile. Assassinated during military coup.

13)Charles Horman – September, 1972 – Santiago, Chile. Murdered by assassination squad of Augusta Pinochet.

14)Jose Dela Torriente – April 12, 1974 – Florida. Former Collins Radio Cuban, shot by sniper UNSUB #11

15)Dave Yaras – 1974 – Chicago. Mobster murdered gangland style. UNSUB #12

16)Charles Nicoletti – 1974 – Chicago. Murdered gangland style. UNSUB #13

17)Sam Giancana – 1975 – Chicago. Murdered gangland style. UNSUB #14

18)John Roselli – July, 1976 – Florida. Shot on boat, chopped and deep sixed in oil can. UNSUB #15

19)Orlando Letelier/Ronnie Moffitt – September, 1976. Dupont Circle, Washington D.C. Double bombing victims.

20)Navy Lt. Pitzer. Bethesda, Maryland. Suspicious death, considered murder. UNSUB #16

“I met Murder on the way –
He had a mask like Castlereagh:
Very smooth he looked, yet grim;
Seven bloodhounds followed him.

All were fat; and well they might
Be in admirable plight,
For one by one, and two by two,
He tossed them human hearts to chew.”

- The Masque of Anarchy. From: “Studies In Murder” by Edmund Lester Pearson.



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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:40 PM

"Turning ad turning on the widening gyre,
The falcon cannont hear the falconer;
Things fall apat; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The cremony of innocense is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity...." (The Second Coming)


And the poem's concluding question:

"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 12:51 AM


"Turning ad turning on the widening gyre,
The falcon cannont hear the falconer;
Things fall apat; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The cremony of innocense is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity...." (The Second Coming)


And the poem's concluding question:

"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"





"Turning ad turning on the widening gyre,
The falcon cannont hear the falconer;
Things fall apat; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The cremony of innocense is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity...." (The Second Coming)


And the poem's concluding question:

"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

JFK, Jack Zangretti and the Sinatra Jr. Kidnapping (A Second Look)
By Gerhard Poszner

After 43 years, recent releases of two JFK-assassination related books have brought November 22, 1963 back into the public arena, for the first time since Gerald Posner’s widely hailed Case Closed was released over a decade ago. Joan Mellen’s A Farewell To Justice’s debut cratered or so it seems, after a “footnote controversy” proved to be for JFK researchers what Janet Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction” was for last years Super-Bowl audience. Ultimate Sacrifice: John and Robert Kennedy, the Plan for a Coup in Cuba, and the Murder of JFK seems to have gained a great deal of interest with its revelation of a Kennedy brothers plans for a 2nd Cuban invasion, (The ill-fated Bay of Pig’s invasion being the first) which was to have taken place on December 1, 1963. It is the contention of the authors Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartman that the Mafia was privy to this information, as well as revelations of another assassination attempt, which was to have taken place in Miami Florida only day’s before Dallas. Both books seem to provide enough material to keep those fascinated by the story that won’t go away, to keep the debate flowing.

There have been, to those familiar with the assassination, allegations of perhaps as many as over a hundred “mysterious deaths” somehow related in some way to November 22, 1963, either individuals who knew Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby or were associated with the various investigations we have all come to be familiar with; the much-maligned 1964 Warren Commission, subsequent deaths in the 1960’s, with special emphasis on New Orleans around the time of the even more maligned Clay Shaw trial headed by New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison, up to the late 1970’s House Select Committee’s JFK investigation, when individuals such as mobster John Roselli, Oswald’s “friend” George DeMohrenschildt and even the FBI’s William Sullivan met sudden deaths. It has to some degree been conceded that DeMohrenschildt’s death was an “apparent suicide” after initial suspicions of foul play, although his widow Jeanne has stated in the past that she does not believe her husband “committed suicide.”
Now many researchers of JFK’s assassination have been able to separate the myth from the reality. Some, by no means all, prefer to point out that there is a “short list” of ten or so individuals whose death’s even after all these years have not been resolved, (including the ‘big one’ in Dallas) and most importantly, circumstances demand the assertion that their “untimely demise” took place not only under very suspicious circumstances, but had a “short circuiting effect” in resolving conclusively the case that is known as the “Crime of the Century.”
Indeed, it would be incumbent upon anyone who has studied, or at least kept up with the now 43 year old saga, to realize that several deaths, including the above-cited examples, have conclusively extended debate on the elusive “conspiracy angle, at least in the eyes of those who believe there was a conspiracy, giving added credence to the dissenter's, and not to the benefit of those who side with the Warren Commission and Gerald Posner.

On Saturday November 23, 1963, Jack Zangretti, the manager of a $150,000 modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, remarked to some friends that “Three other men, not Oswald, killed the President.” He also stated that “A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination.” Two weeks later, Jack Zangretti was found floating in Lake Lugert with bullet holes in his chest, and he had been dead for about two weeks.

Is the death of Jack Zangretti, one of those cases?


The kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr. took place on a Sunday December 8, 1963, little over two-weeks after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Two men, Barry Worthington Keenan, and Joseph Clyde Amsler who were both twenty-three, knocked on the door at Frank Junior’s Harrah’s Lodge in Reno Nevada. Frank was having dinner with Joe Foss a member of the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra. The two men were posing as hotel room service attendants, armed with a sawed-off shotgun, and a .45-caliber pistol. After entering his suite, they bound and gagged Joe Foss and then carried Frank Sinatra Jr. at gunpoint, to a waiting car, a 1963 White Impala, but not before robbing Sinatra Jr. of $11 and Foss of one dollar. Sinatra was scheduled to perform at 10:00 PM that evening. Driving through a blizzard, they eventually holed up in a rented house in Los Angeles, after barely escaping detection at a police roadblock. The son of the music icon Frank Sinatra had been kidnapped and was being held for ransom. Eventually Joe managed to struggle free and called Harrah’s press agent, who then called the Reno police. Frank’s manager Tino Barzie, called the elder Sinatra at his Palm Spring’s home. The legendary singer chartered a plane and immediately flew to Reno, where he was met by the District Attorney of Washoe County at the time, Bill Raggio. From there, the two were joined by four FBI agents based in Nevada as well as Mickey Rudin and Jim Mahoney, Sinatra’s attorney and publicist respectively.
Frank Sinatra, through an intermediary Peter Lawford contacted Attorney General Robert Kennedy pleading for help in getting his son back, and RFK promised to do everything he could to get his son back to him safely. The blizzard had made Lake Tahoe inaccessible by car or plane, so Frank set up headquarters at the Mapes Hotel in Reno. Others who came to the Sinatra camp there included Jack Entratter and Jilly Rizzo. Sinatra called his ex-wife Nancy then his parents in New Jersey; then waited sixteen long hours before he heard from his sons captors. The first call came at 4:47 P.M. on Monday Dec.9th it would be followed by six more until the nightmarish saga ended. Another member of the group, who had kidnapped Frank Jr., called to tell Frank Sr. his son was safe his name was John Irwin, forty-two years old; he said that there would be another phone call soon.
When the ransom call came, Frank said to them “You can have anything, a million dollars….anything!”
Inexplicably, the kidnappers asked for only a paltry sum in comparison, $240,000 in used bills.
“Fine, fine, anything, okay,” Sinatra responded.
“We’ll make another phone contact about the exchange, discretion will be the demeanor.” Irwin said before hanging up.
Frank called Al Hart, to setup the payoff to the kidnappers. Hart was President of City Nat’l Bank of Beverly Hills. Sinatra then flew to L.A., and stayed with his ex-wife in Bel-Air. Reporters were outside to cover the biggest kidnapping since the Lindbergh baby in 1932.
After Hart put the money together at the Bank, Sinatra and a lone FBI Agent delivered it in a brown paper bag per the kidnapper’s complex instructions. Fifty-four hours later, on December 10, Frank Sinatra, Jr. was released, two miles from his mother’s home in Bel-Air. A police patrolman who recognized him placed him in the trunk of his car, in order to avoid reporters. A grateful father Frank Sr. gave the policeman a thousand dollars.
The three kidnappers were captured the next day, with most of the ransom money, as well. The kidnapping had been predicted before it happened, an unusual occurrence to say the least. Complete with a sinister link to the mysterious Jack Zangretti, who, in turn was ostensibly a link in the events of November 22, 1963, the whole affair seemed right out of the Twilight Zone, the trial was in many ways simply a continuation of the bizarre chain of events. Barry Keenan constructed a strange defense, alleging that the whole affair was simply a hoax perpetrated by the leader of the Rat Pack’s son, in an effort to boost his singing career.
The jury did not treat Keenan’s defense as being believable in any manner, as all three men were sentenced to life in prison. However, Keenan’s defense while not helping during the trial, created a pseudo-folk tale type of legacy, which dogged the younger Sinatra for years afterwards. When Britain’s Independent Television News took the allegations and broadcast them as gospel, the elder Sinatra sued them for libel and collected, according to Frank Sinatra, Jr.
Years later, Keenan himself admitted his defense was simply a ploy, and as it turned out had went to school with Nancy Sinatra, the Chairman of the Board’s ex-wife.
It would be interesting to know whether one of the kidnappers John Irwin, was related to Philip Irwin a private investigator who had been involved in the investigation regarding Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra’s alleged mistaken break-in of the apartment of Florence Kotz, (an apparent victim of mistaken identity). This took place the evening of November 5, 1954, when DiMaggio believed that Marilyn Monroe was having a lesbian affair. Sinatra was eventually subpoenaed and forced to testify to a State Senate Committee about the incident, the botched break-in which came to be known as the “wrong-door raid, apparently took place in an attempt to obtain evidence of marital infidelity by Marilyn to use against her in their upcoming divorce trial. Philip Irwin had went on record as saying that much of Sinatra’s testimony was false, and was subsequently “severely beaten” and as a result tried to meet with Sinatra to tell him that he had not leaked the story which had made the “headlines,” and which strongly aroused the curiosity of the Los Angeles County Grand Jury. Afterwards during a subsequent State Senate Committee hearing investigating activities of private investigators March 1957 see FBI Files FOIA 55 pages. Ironically, according to Sinatra’s testimony, Philip Irwin was one of the two investigators DiMaggio had hired to locate Marilyn’s alleged lover in the first place, (the other investigator was Barney Ruditsky.) Although Sinatra had his own attorneys he did nothing to improve his reputation for being tied to the Mafia, when he called and obtained help in the case from renowned mob attorney Sidney Korshak, a man who was reputed to be able to settle “problems” with just a couple of phone calls. Sinatra was represented by the law firm of Martin Gang and Mickey Rudin of Gang, Kopp & Tyre.
And so the story goes, but what about Jack Zangretti? Of him, very little is known, the original allegation concerning Zangretti’s foreknowledge of Ruby’s shooting of Oswald and the indeed, day’s later kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr. appears to have been the result of information obtained by Penn Jones Jr. a famous figure to those well-versed in conspiracy theories, but who had been known to pull a few rabbits out of the hat, so to speak. A search of the internet revealed nothing more than the fact that Jack Zangretti was, according to the United Kingdom’s Lobster magazine “a minor mob figure.”
But after digging, I hit the motherlode, the story had apparently was from a publication which was printed by one of the first, maybe even the first JFK researcher, a man who lived in Midlothian, Texas (near Dallas) named Penn Jones’s the publication was called “Forgive My Grief” Issue Volume 4. The sub-heading read
New Information on Strange Death No. 72 (although the number 72 seemed odd, I surmised maybe there had never been an original entry for Zangretti or this “update” was an addendum to an original story, if there indeed was an original story, I was unable to find it after perusing the previous three issues, anyway.)
May 31, 1973; and had what appeared to be an entire article which included the paragraph from above I had found on the internet. It read:

“In late 1962 a group opened a $300,000 restaurant and nightclub with all gambling facilities called THE RED LOBSTER, built in a cotton patch near Lake Lugert between Altus and Hobart, Oklahoma. The facility was equal to many Las Vegas Clubs.
A $ 150,000 modular motel complex was added and almost complete by November 22, 1963. Some of the rooms were occupied on weekends by persons arriving in chauffeured limousines. These people were stylishly dressed, and the men were accompanied by beautiful women. We are told the license plates were from the surrounding states, plus Arizona, Colorado and Kansas.
On Saturday November 23, 1963, Jack Zangretti, the manager of a $150,000 modular motel complex near Lake Lugert, Oklahoma, remarked to some friends that “Three other men, not Oswald, killed the President.” He also stated that “A man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow and in a few days a member of the Frank Sinatra family will be kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination.” Two weeks later, Jack Zangretti was found floating in Lake Lugert with bullet holes in his chest, and he had been dead for about two weeks.
Early in 1964 foreclosure procedures began, and the motel was moved in 1966 to Frederick Oklahoma. The nightclub and restaurant were torn down, now only the foundation remains at the site.”

As an aside to the Zangretti story, below it there was the following.

Recently on Public Television, Earl Warren stated:
“There has been no evidence of any kind developed to contradict what was in our reports…..We have never been able to find one witness to add to what we found at that time…..” If Justice Warren will convene a Grand Jury, we can produce witnesses to contradict his report. [Italics mine]

In light of what the American people have learned about the Warren Report, despite the best efforts of the “Warrenati” what I dubbed the so-called “journalists” who have made a career out of being apologists for every event of political intrigue that has bobbed to the surface of the media eye over the last 43 years; the words were like an dagger to the heart. Earl Warren’s “comment” reminded me of the plethora of lies, half truths and cover-ups that have hovered like unseen figures over the Ghosts of November, JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Dallas newspaper reporters who had gathered in Jack Ruby’s apartment, and…..well you get the idea.

Wow! If there was ever an article that seemed to include not so veiled references to organized crime, this would appear to fit the heading. So the question remained, why was this seemingly “very important” lead
relegated to the dustbin of history?

I continued my search.

Barry Keenan, who on the surface appears as the ringleader of the kidnappers resurfaced in 1998. It seems that his sentence which was officially “life in prison plus 75 years” was worse than it sounded. His sentence was “eventually reduced,” and he left prison and appears to have done pretty good for himself. In 1998 he was pitching a proposal to develop a casino resort at Deer Island, (near Gulfport) Mississippi, when his involvement in the Sinatra kidnapping became known to the local populace. A subsequent article stated that “an addiction to painkillers (after an automobile accident) in addition to financial problems” was one of the reasons that he had decided to participate if he was not actually the “main man” in the 1963 kidnapping. That same article stated that before declaring bankruptcy in Texas in 1986 over the oil bust there, his net worth was a cool 17 million dollars, and it appears to have only gotten better. By 1997 he was a “consultant” to the ongoing attempt to build the casino complex on Deer Island, and eventually nailed down the casino deal there with help from his partner Now in 2005, Barry Keenan at age 65, has ostensibly made it to the “top of the heap.” Apparently, the last ten years Barry has made quantum leaps into the casino business, in a March 2005 interview with The Midland Telegram Reporter, Keenan stated he has helped develop five casinos in Biloxi, Mississippi and for native-American tribes in Palm Springs, San Bernardino, Commerce and San Diego California, and was only in the spring of 2005 an “advocate” for a bill that was then pending in the Texas Legislature which would legalize gambling in the Lone Star State. After some haranguing, the bill was shelved, but it will no doubt not be the last word as far as gambling coming to the Lone Star State
In the interview Keenan, in response to arguments that gambling foments organized crime and prostitution and has destructive social effects says those are “myths” opponents use to fight it. It’s reassuring that America can put that issue behind us, now that we know conclusively that gambling has no harmful effects on society.
In conclusion, on December 5th 2005 I contacted via e-mail Craig Roberts who years earlier had written “JFK: The Dead Witnesses” this book contained a near identical passage to Penn Jones May 1973 article on Jack Zangretti, he wrote to tell me that he had confirmed the story of the Red Lobster near Lake Lugert and the subsequent death and discovery of Zangretti’s body from Lake Altus-Lugert in 1994, unfortunately, the police officers and officials who had been with the local police there, at the time of the case, had long since died or retired. The famous “quotation” expressing foreknowledge of those dark events from “a man named Ruby will kill Oswald tomorrow, to a member of the Sinatra family being kidnapped just to take some of the attention away from the assassination,” seems to be an elusive phantom. I thought how even visiting good old Lake Altus-Lugert would probably be fruitless, as far as obtaining verification of the infamous? quote.
Has the potential for verification of the quote went down the same rabbit hole, where other hopeful leads went, Gaeton Fonzi’s interview with George DeMohrenschildt that never took place, or the footlocker filled with evidence of Richard Case Nagell’s contacts with Oswald?
Does anybody know how to get a hold of those Sinatra Jr. trial transcripts?

To see information regarding how Barry Keenan successfully challenged the “Son of Sam Bill” see
http://www.pfaw.org/...es/file_229.pdf.

Edited by Robert Howard, 07 December 2005 - 12:55 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2005 - 05:15 AM

Please note if you follow the link to read about the challenge to the "Son opf Sam" law you need to go to Page 42 of the essay.




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