Maarten Coumans

Agree! Good point Jack!

Post removed Great fotowork, Chris! Maarten

Thanks John, For extracting Jpegs from AVI files, I use Advanced X Video Converter. Does more jobs...... (among transforming to AVI... regrettibly not IFO( DVD format that is)) Less labour intensive than using Power DVD, and the trying to capture all the individual frames manual..... and less misstakes... Maarten

Movie downloaders. For downloading from YOUTUBE and similar, you can use www.vixy.net . Just paste the link Lee gave, choose format (AVI, MPEG), and press start. The site converts to that format, and makes it downloadable. It may take a few tries, but hey..... it is free! Saves the time to resolve the link, download, and then transform the file to avi. Maarten

Hi, For downloading video's from, for instance YOUTUBE, this site might be usefull: http://vixy.net/ Just copy and paste the video link/adress, and press start. This site converts the file to AVI, and makes it available for download as such. Renaming is a good idea... Maarten

From Bell film... Differend angle: Maarten

To Pat, I am having a real difficult time believing that Connelly got hit in the back after roadsign. In my oppinion, it was the left upper leg. Reasons: The reactions of Connelly, after being hit. He lifts his hat, turns left and below (stretches his neck), and then turns violently towards Kennedy (and his yell of course, distracting Jackie). That would press agains the alledged back wound, causing pain in extreme. The other thing is, in my oppinion, that that part of hisck should be shielded by his chair. So that would make a bullet going through Kennedy, wait, and go through chair, and Connelly. Pop out...... and fall on the floor??? Too much magic. Connelly must have lost consciousness, while yelling out, and with a collapsed lung. Furthermore he turns back a bit, to fall back towards Nellie, and turn over 90 degrees after 313 to burry his nose in her lap. Later to lift his head. (While unconscious?) But according to his statements, what they are worth, he was conscious at 313, to have heard the shot and the bullet hit. And see the limo covered in Kennedy-bits. Those things do not add up! On top of that, he described the backwound as a an impact that pushed him forward. That describtion only makes sence after 313, when he dives on Nellie. I like the idea that the brain malfunction caused the body the maintain their position. I initially thought Kennedy's right arm rested on the edge of the limo, and the left being grabbed by Jackie, was the cause of his nòt moving his arms. Even to lower them. The lack of facial expressions, soon after reappearing, makes me think he was (nearly) deceased. Pat or other medics, do you have any info on holes being made at Parkland in the lower part of the lungs, to help breathing. Makes no sence to me, because it would collapse the lung. Making things worse as it is..... And then decided on a tracheostomy under the adam's appell?????? Or could this be a piece of botched up evidence. Since a shot at that location would have to have come from the up and front, compromising a much desired LN, and Magic Bullet Theory. A picture of what I think happened to Connelly after roadsign: Maarten

HI, For the explanation of Kennedy's reaction after reappearing behind roadsign, I have an additional idea. In Autopsy's of the head, where you can see a bit of the upper-body, I saw a mark that did not resemble the place of a nipple. You can find it on the right chest. I thought this could be a bullet-hole. Someone told me that hole was made to help Kennedy breathing at Parkland. But makes no sense to me..... so I tend to rather ignore. So I do... If it is a bullet hole, it would collapse the lung, and forcefull exhail.... like an extreme caugh. In the subsequent frames you can see the shirt of Kennedy under the jacket button. His hips are forwarded. Makes additional sense for the extreme armwaving. And jackie holds her hand under his mouth in the frames leading to 312, like trying to catch the block.... but did not come. After 313 you can see a (relative) long time it takes for Jackie to react to the motions of her husband. And in my oppinion she is looking at his body, rather than to his face, prior to her reaction. This on top of possible neck/back/head trajectaries. Maarten

Hi, I would like to add a potential shooting position.. That is in the Dal-Tex building, on the first floor (not ground floor), closest to the corner. In the Altgens foto you can see the left side of the window in the shade (would be a usefull advantage). Another is: you can see all of Elm, if Altgens can see the window. On the downside, it seemed to me that the window to the left (with all the people), was part of the same office. I deducted that from an enlargement, where I can see a light blob, that I would describe as light source from the office ceiling. The angle makes it one office. So if it was a location...... well..... I would appreciate a bit more privacy.... just a bit. On another foto earlier taken on Houston strt., I saw an angle+shade on that corner. I thought it to be a knee. Yet in Altgens there is no-one on the roof visible. Just a thought. Maarten Edit: I believe Don already incorperated... So double..

Hi, I blieve both boys can be seen. The other one is in the entrance, standing a bit higher. A little to the left. From CT point of view: There is a fence in front of them, and the positioning may be strategic, like blocking people trying to get through to the railroad side. Just to be an obstacle, gain time. (Arrested for what? Being clumsy? .... but job is done) Since the shooting stopped way further on Elm, a lot of attention went to the GK area. Making them without a job. But it is not wise to stay long in one place. You get fotographed etc. People ask questions. Better not. Avoid suspicious behaviour, so walk (sheep) with the crowd, not against. Like 3 people do in the Hughes film. On the corner of Main/Houston. Great collection.. Maarten

Lee: I see, on the link you gave, mention of a jump in Towner film. Make referrence to same "event". Your version is same as mine.. From what I heard, the film has always been in the Towner's posession, except for a few occasions.... No copies made.. Still hope for an unjumped version. Maarten

Hi John, Looks fingerlicking good. Did you use an uncut version????? What program did you use? I would like to do something like that with the Zap film. Without stabilization. So the relation between "camera movement" and ghosting can be established. Maarten

Hi, Thanks Bernice for setting me straight on Tina Towner. At the youngest a young woman, not a young girl... Trygve: "But sometimes when wathcing the assassination films, many of the films seem to stop/start/cut/break/something exactly at the right(wrong) moment. And its frustrating. As Gary M. said in that production, something like 'many people don't realize how many photographers where there', and 'they all missed the crucial thing-which is the person in the window'." - Yeah! How (un)lucky can you be. Maarten

Hi, Thanks!!! I think Chris describes the best what is bothering me. Jackie has moved a lot in one frame! The second.... Jackie is passed the point where Mrs Connelly was in the first one. I just found it today. And did not have a chance to do any calculations. But it seems to fit to me, Chris..... WOW! I have Googled some, and came across a link by you, John. Something with framerate. Did noy imply the cut.... so... end. The next thing that bothers me, is the why. Did something happen? As well as, could this be the spot in the WR that was reenacted? I can remember having seen reconstruction foto's here in the Forun, from the WR. From Zapruder point of view. And one shows the limo on the left side of the roadsign (from memory). Just a thought... Could mean special interest in that location. Just as the reenactment films ,imo, shows a lot of hot spots. As the official Zapruder film starts at 133 to film Kennedy. And these frames I made earlier on Elm. Since I can see the firestairs of the TSBD, I'd say it is safe to presume that she was filming (near) parallel to the Houston street side of the TSBD. And I would guess that the limo is parallel to the TSBD. According to Groden's DVD, she stops filming when the shots rang out... or was that cut too.... from CT point of view. On the downside. She was a young girl, and the events close to her startled a lot of people. Willis taking pictire #5. Rosemary turning after stopping running... and eventually Moorman who polaroided Kennedy, as a reaction to a shot. Not like the newscrew who dove on the Newman family... She could well be startled and stopped filming, but that is after the first noticable shot.... Would leave the immediate result, and her turning off the camera, and all the blurring/ghosting that comes with it. But Jack White is more knowlidgable at this point (by far). My experience is with more modern equipment. Hi-8 was my first camera (analog video, film is chemical. Chemical is use once.... sort of double exposure). And by using the pause button, the motor starts running, the tape gets wound around the video-heads. But still get jitter from the unpause button, and the tape needs "some" time to accellerate (That issue is fixed nowadays with flash eeproms, but not available at thàt time... so irrelevant). And pausing again, causes jitter as well, and slowing of the tape. Visible when not edited (those frames removed. Makes smoother video). These are the technoligies of 94-95. Zapruder's camera, state of the art at the time so I am told, still has to cope with those things I mentioned before, yet no trace of those things can be found. Either in the (now) Towner film, or any of the Zapruder cuts.. Smells.... Thanks. Maarten

Hi, As I was watching the DVD: "JFK: Assassination Films" by Groden. I came across the footage of Tina Towner. After frame by frame play I came to the conclusion there were frames missing. I Have added the the captures below: Anyone seen a version of her film without the splice? I cannot imagine her pausing her recording..... and doing so in 1 frame.... Makes me think it was edited. But a bit less obvious/crude than the splice in Z155 of the MPI. If it was edited...... Why? Seems a harmless piece of film.. Maarten

Hi, Just a thought: Is a capture from Stone's JFK (corresponds to frame 194). In the next two or three frames of that same clip, I see a white dot on 2 places in the screen. One in the bushes, one on the back of the roadsign. On the downside. Since I think a shot was fired from that location around frame 155 (that ends up in Kennedy's right shoulder). Leaves 2 seconds to reload and aim, by counting Zapruder frames....... Maarten

To Len: Quote: "Next the tree:Loose Change again 2nd, 11 minutes+ I came across: It is the tree in front of the fire truck. In the moving images it is more clear. It can even be seen in Jack's picture, but takes real work. I would recomend the moving pictures. Better because of the smoke." That image is too low quality to determine anything presumably you should be able to find clearer images of it. You didn't address the questions from my last post. Why do you think it odd to see a burnt tree next to a building that burned foe 24 hours? How do we know the tree wasn't burnt by the fireball" My interest was not at all in the burning...... reading..... burned was to help identify........!!!! Why was it not clipped by the left wing. ""There were a lot of camera's, not all in the property of the Pentagon. Nothing to do with Pentagon. Not even AIMED at the Pentagon. But would provide footage to substanciate their findings." As I asked you last time, provide evidence to back you claim. Just because there were cameras in the vicinity doesn't mean they captured the last moments of flight 77." Jack mentioned a couple of locations. The gasstation. Well all tapes that were confiscated within minutes by the FBI. Why do you not show tapes with the flight 77 hit the Pentagon "to back you claim". I have provided the link to the Doubletree video, where you could not see a plane either. Where is yours that shows flight 77 hit the Pentagon. One click. I have shown you the flashes, now you show me footage of NY where those flashes occur too. How come in NY those planes manage to cut through steel beams like butter. But do not manage to chop a tree? Swept back....... into the hole..... ........ That site you mentioned (about Loose Change 2nd) takes assumption that a lot of the wing ends up in the Pentagon. But seems to mysteriously miss the tree. Probably forgot. Find your own pictures. How can the official story explain the vaporization of an entire plane, but the positive identification of passengers by dna. Gets damaged/destroyed in intense fires, and gets mixed up, making a dna-identification into a nightmare. Cannot have both... The taxi and windshield, and broken glass..... The glass in front of the car is not from the windshield, you see that too.....+\- In the previous post to Steve I addressed thàt (not all) lamppost, no point in repeating. Len wrote: "As I wouldn’t trust Loose Change as a source numerous errors have been pointed out and the “producer” admitted they intentionally included disinformation “…We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves" How about Bush's conviction of WOMD (Weapons Of Mass Destruction) to be found in Iraq. That has been proven wrong. Do they retract troops..... NO.... send more! He sounded just as sure about OBL. What does that tell you? Those producers were never that wrong. So as far as Loose Change containing misstakes...... "Do your own thinking, ask questions." . Bush did not say such thing. As far as I could tell from the subtitles of OBL so-called-war-declaration. He makes predictions, acting as foreseeer/profet. If you read the Neo Cons need for a cataclismic event like Pearl Harbour, to turn the Americans in favour of war. I think it is a lot of the same. Well anyone with economic skills could figgure out the Internet bubble would not last, by the overrrated economic/stock value. And insiders have a better view of the economic disaster behind the scenes. This is an easy way out. And IF...... IF this was done from outsiders. Would they target according to a priority list? Like White House, Pentagon, Congres. Political centres, or military targets first. And what they hit on that list..... on the empty part..... flew all the way around it..... At 800 KM/h. Disappears of the radar screen...... no action taken ..... Well the WTC got hit and destroyed. That has no military or political value. The financial value is to be looked at, since it had problems renting the space. And was in need of removal of all the asbestus, renovation. Further has it an enormous emotional impact, like described by the Neo Cons. And they had the connections and funds and motives to make 911 a fact. Your mountain of evidence is as deep as the holes in the WTC complex on 911. Oh Yeah. Bush figgured it out. "They hate freedom...." Well that makes it clear.... NOT! Maarten.

Hi, I think the MC found on that location has to do with the wound in Connelly's left upper leg. And a miscommunication in the cover-up. For that I make a referrence to Z224. Where you can see Connelly emerging from the roadsign. He looks to his right. In the next couple of frames his jacket seems to move, and he lifts his hat from his lap to the right. His neck stretches, and from what I can see he is looking down at his left leg. Then he turns violently over his right shoulder towards Kennedy. In my oppinion that could only come from the TSBD, on a high floor, and on the other side of the sniper's nest. Close to where the MC was found. There is an interview with Mary Woodward on TMWKK disk 2. She was quite convinced 3 shots were fired, and wrote that in her article immediately after the events. I presume this information reached the cover-up team. And was decided to go with LN solution (three bullets..... no problem....). And (false)evidence had to be removed from the scene and the record. Like the Mauser found in TSBD, could well have covered for the sniper's nest. And all must point to Oswald being the LN. To close the case. Making his movement in superman speed, moving back and forth the 6th floor. No wonder he needed a soda.... I find an association in this timeframe to a backshot to Connelly quite unbelievable, since it collapsed his lung. He cried out: "They are gonna kill us all" (with collapsed lung????) And he lost consciousness in Nellie's lap. That is further on Elm..... way! He first turns left at 224, far right. And then towards GK, as in 313, and dives on Nellie after 313. The thing with a cover-up is to give a plausible solution as far as possible from the truth. To clear the guilty ones. And keep pushing it! So in the immediate aftermath of the events, it may be decided on more than one patsy(3???), to hand a plausible solution. But a three shot sollution (as described by the female reporter) may well limit the amound of patsy's to one. And I think it was decided to change all evidence accordingly to support a LN. So Mauser and all else disappears what does not support LN theory. Oswald hid the rifle at the other side etc....... according to official story. As you may have guessed, I do not dig.... Another advantage is of this position is. The sniper's nest does not have a clear view over Elm. And then a window closer to that point may have better credibillity. As well would make it possible to make the starting of the shooting further from the corner. FWIW. But then you end up with 2 sniper's nests, and only one shooter. One has the shooter, the other the rifle..... LMAO With regards to reloading the rifle when job is done...... I doubt if you could see from the presumed position, wheather that third one is the bussiness right away(through missaligned scope, when rifle moves from firing). So reloading may be a good idea anyway, or force of habbit..... in another situation. Since I do not believe for one bit that the MC, dry and rusty.... scope misalligned, was used that day. Was only meant to link to the patsy .....IMO. To close the case as fast as possible. That is what I think. Maarten

Steve. 1 I have looked at whitness testimonies. And from what I saw, their trajectary of their plane do not line up with the lamppowls. Differend course. Just like the data shows on the FDR (differend coarse), shortly before it stopped recording. 2 Wreckage. Those were not FBI or evidence experts (Who is in charge of the investigation? Will these findings be admitted in court? Oh yeah. The Arabs were convicted without a court. Similar to LHO, convenient.). Who were they? What did they find (Is it documented etc.)? What did they leave behind (wreckage??? can be seen behind the searching line). What was their job? If you refer to the piece covered in blue plastic? Or the nosewheel? Or the bit of engine? You cannot be serious. What about the rest.... 99.9% of it? 3 DNA evidence. Give me a break will ya....... The plane vaporized on impact (including most of the engines......?????????), yet they managed to identify passengers by dna. DNA surviving scorching heat..... The fire was so hot it did not scorch the open book on the floor above. Yet managed to go all the way to the other side of the building (near the car entrance, where the released frames were cptured) and burn the roof as can be seen on the after picture. As well as knock out, or burn the reenforced windows. Steve..... I see only "insurmournable problems" to prove that flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. How about some of the supposed hijackers being allive? In New York the "planes" managed to to cut through thick steel beams.. Here they defragment and vaporize..... Shows a differend damage pattern. The second powl you see closest to you have been forced together. Nothing like at the taxi site. Where the tube stays hollow. There is light coming from underneath so that side is above the ground. Indeed I cannot see the top side. Indeed it is assumption to think it looks like the other three sides. But a bit of fysics. Because a plane cannot do this at 800 km/h. Then you would get a fold and cut, and a bunch of other stuff. This is more consistand with a force from the inside, so that is why I came up with explosion. And that there were no official witness testimonies of explosions...... means not much to me. Came across: They had the road to themselves. Where are the tyre marks from the braking? How come only the windshield is damaged? Not the frame holding the windshield, not the emblem on front, or the hood. The driver-window shows no damage, so could be lowered, not necessarily smashed. Makes another question. Did that cab have Airco or Climate control? (Lincoln...... probably...very probable) Then it would serve no purpose to lower the windshield, except to view if the windshield is already smashed. Like in Ace Ventura Pet Detective. When he drives Dan Marino from Dock side at the end. Just to draw you a picture. Maarten

Len This video has been released from the Doubletree Hotel (I wrote Arlington Hotel..edited). http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...eoid=1507751455 The red circle, I suspect, is glass from the lamp. As it was dumped on the asfalt, it broke. The windshield is caved inward. So any loose glass from the windshield should be inside. From Loose Change 15 min 38 sec. About the plane to pick up Bush Sr., and clipped a lamppost on approach. Compare to: I was not talking about the wires. Maarten.

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I have the idea that reading is not one of your strongest points. I googled 50 BMG/CAL http://www.mauser.org/rifles/blackarrow/index.htm In another clip I saw a round manually loaded. for scale. Do not need to be a ballistics expert to look for scale. I have seen a bullet (from rifle, similar to the Carcano) in ballistics gel. Can happen.... (BTW.did they have ballistics gel in '63? Could have saved some melons) That was a very respectable distance (longer than a human head-size, ear to ear!), and the bullet was curled backward from the front. (very differend from the Magic bullet CE399) Quote:"A bullet drops due to gravitational pull.......Go to the range and do it, dont read about it." Kicking in open doors. That people have been looking in the grass for bullets ...... Kicking in open doors.... You seem to have a hard time distinguishing sexes... Glad you did not have to read your orders...... when active. Perhaps you can explain to me how Arlen Spectre could have come up with the magic bullet. Making 7 wounds with one slightly dent bullet. Only as a way to get the blame on Oswald. And that it ended up being a bloodbath after all ...... Otherwise no-one would have ever have known. Not according to plan... Happens. Not my fault/idea. Why are they so mystery's about autopsy foto's. Or have been altered (officially the scalp has to be grown back .......you ever seen such a thing..... maybe ask Katrina). My guess is: that more bullets hit than they assumed that day. But by the time of Z310 it is not clear to them wheather Kennedy is dead, so they pulled the emergency cord. Resulting in a very clear, deceased Z313. In spite the efforts of preparation/planning (finesse, well: Jackie was still allive.). To discover in the hospital the (little) left over from the President's head. And suppressed all evidence and testimony. Like you said: perfectly planned on paper. Every possible shooter on the North side of Elm, can see in advance the risk of hitting Jackie in case of bullet going through, or a bystander in case of a miss. Do not need a trained eye for that. For those shooters, facing those problems, bullets with less powder are very usefull. IMO. Depending on the cover, and space, a silencer can be added. No one will/should ever find out. Matter of preparation. that part was real quiet Z For shots fired from the area behind Kennedy (TSBD area), at least one is not silenced IMO. So Oswald could be blamed. As well as the bullets would remain in the car... Nice quote: "Also what happens if they miss with these low powder charged rounds? since we do have eye witnesses that seen misses, and have Tague being struck in the face. Hmmm guess there was no need for those super duper low powder charged rounds as they all didnt stay inside the presidents body, so what was the point in using them again?" You state: the misses. Where do you find them in the WR (3 bullet, one assassin). Where are the sounds that go with that? I saw a lot of digging, see foto. What happened to that? Tague being struck. 7 Wounds, they say, with one dent bullet. Found on a stretcher. Good question at the wrong person. Where did you think they came from. How could Tague see concrete fly around (and get wounded). Hide for a while, come up again just in time to see the limo leave the Plaza. There is no way you can line up the concrete hole with the 6th floor of the TSBD. And in between having Kennedy at a normal sized body in such a short time. Or a terrible miss (hardly an effort). So look for other shooting points, like a low Dal-Tex window might be more likely for that one IMO. That is a differend part in the discussion... What is super duper about them, recently you claimed only Davy Crocket could fire those "super duper low powder charged rounds"...... or lead ..... I was calling the FBI... lmao. Only less powder. Enough to go through the skull, and a bit further. In this example. And why I would go for lead because it it is soft. For that rifle, on that position. NOT CHARGED. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? Ear-canal -ear canal ..... would be Huge problem (no skull).... exit wound.... is off topic. Just head-shot. Seems difficult enough... Maybe if you had instructed them......rather not. One thing at a time. Why use them again: because Kennedy is still sitting..... (Shooter looking at the rifle: "Is this thing working?" , and counting it as a miss, wrongfully, sometimes) The whole thing takes up to 15 sec. "Gotta find me a green bullet. Please stop for a minute, mr. Kennedy. Where did I put them...".... And: "you know how to hit man sized targets at 1000 yards, moving targets etc, if that was the case, Oswald was the assassin, and only needed one shot...hmmmm doesnt sound right does it? LOL".... I do not, never claim I have (or Oswald has). Through "heavy foilage (leaves)"........ According to the WC the third one was bulls-eye. Reduces man-size, to head size (less target, more difficult.IMO). At 1000 feet. Moving target. Defective scope. No gun powder on his cheek..... LMAO... as far as I am concerned Oswald did not even fire a weapon that day. Let allone at Kennedy. FYI. So where that comes from....???? "You can never "expect" a bullet to do what you want it to,Like staying inside the presidents head." Well if a bullet came to a halt in the presidents head. It stays there. Body-checked out again by another bullet, show me? Climbing out by itself, show me that? LOL.... not serious. There are a couple of unknowns, that might influence the outcome. Aim for the temple, hit in the ear. He moved. You control the rifle, the amound of gunpowder, and the bullet. Do not throw all in one pile. With regards to bullet staying in head..... Lincoln....... From assassin's point of view not interesting (get job done...... next..). May be important for the financers/organizing committee to make a refference to Lincoln. And the Cover-Up. As well as keeping Jackie intact. A saying on (semi-)automatic etc. is pure speculation (since it is your area!), but I will give it a bash: since I think reduced powder is used, at least for one, on the right side of the limo, is it safe to assume the rifle will have less gaspressure/recoil to reload, in case of a (semi-) automatic. Neither one! So I would guess a manual operated rifle. That leaves less chance of a problem, like: not reloading properly (wasting time on that). Counting on one, maybe 2 shots at the most. Obstacles like people (Get out of the way, people! I am working here!), roadsign, Making one more likely. The time the limo took, makes 2 possible. Does that add up? Maarten.

Hi Ryan, I asked wheather u were a sniper. Because of your Avatar. And it is nice to know something from someone's background. (as well as pictures not help, so I will not throw them at you.) I did not mean to disrespect your profession, knowledge or passion. I have the idea it is in your blood, if I may say so. (comes out in the avatar as well....) My majors are not in that field at all. More physics, and biology, and some history, in school terms. I like pictures. I have never been in the army, never fired a shot. My interst in weapons is from a safe distance. Behind monitor or tv screen. Therefore I value your first hand oppinion/information/experience. Not if you misread. My web-knowledge from a silencer comes from http://people.howstuffworks.com/question112.htm . Where they explain that the extension(silencer) on the barrel can only absorb the muzzle-blast (exploding gas). - Quote: Several alert readers have written to point out that a bullet that travels at supersonic speeds cannot be silenced because the bullet creates its own little sonic boom as it travels. Many high-powered loads travel at supersonic speeds. The silencer can remove the "uncorking" sound, but not the sound of the bullet's flight. - So that is how I come up with a sub-sonic bullet, silenced. Camera has 18.3 frames per second. So maximum distance travelled per frame is a matter of calculating. (max. 18 meter per frame) Well, air-resistance. If I nòt mention it, ....... samo. So throw Katrina over it.... cheap. I have seen a .50 movie clip. And a round........ NOT LOL ..... deffinately NOT. I think you exagerate the size in the picture(s). And the ear and frame line up too nice to disregard, IMO. The place is real/too odd for blood to gather that way, and the small tears all around make it real suspicious to me (biology). The ear is made of very flexible material. Meaning does not break, like bone. Shot under 100 yards, certainly. Plaza not that big on that side. Still important for drop of the bullet (correct?). And the reduction of speed to a half, resulting in a reduction in energy to a quart. No doubt about that. Newton's law. I am not comparing density of lead vs copper. Can only Davy Crockett shoot with lead bullets? .. solves a lot of cases, call FBI, Ryan found it......LOL..Davey Crocket. Find Hoffa when you are at it. Serious. Of course I mean a bullet of lead, no extra's (hollow, or with additional material). May look stretched, longer in the picture than is in reality. Moving. From shooter's point of view was a bloodbath not "desired", otherwise a coupple machineguns (DeGaulle), or handgranade's (bomb, 1914). Would be easier. Required finesse.(....) Not like above. Sure they had lots of time to practice/prepare, and plenty of experience. And picked the weapons that would fit their needs best. Not necessarily the ones that do the most damage... The right damage! So you can get away with it! For a cover-up. It is more practical to have the bullet stuck inside Kennedy, as let it leave the body. As I described in previous post. And adapt/reduce the amound of powder used, as required to do the job, is a matter of preparation.(For example: Shoot at a mellon at 50 yards. Comes the bullet out? Yes? Less powder. Again...... Till you get it right. "Two boxes of those, please?" . Kinda hard to walk into a morgue, "Give me 2 dozen heads...Well, make it 3 dozen."-" On who's name shall I make the bill?"). - Wrong colour bullet.... How many colours do you have in '63? (Well, we have blue, green. Orange is very popular at the moment.... two boxes? Is it a present? Oh, happy birthday, shall I giftwrap? Looks good with the sweater, makes the eyes come out......... literally! ....LMAO.......New! With vanilla taste ...) - Golden Earring (from among:"Radar Love"). Well, this is the picture: Maarten.

Hi Ryan, With regards to your question about colour. Wrong colour.... Does it have to be a copper jacket. Iron Metal-Jacket, or a massive lead one will do as well. IMO. I would go for lead, softer. Deforms on impact, twists insides to mush. And if it reaches the other side of the skull, the tip of the bullet is blund. Making an exit hole more difficult. I think with an iron jacket, the deforming would be less, so less internal mushing up (less resistance), and a bigger chance for exit wound. Messing on Jackie, or wounding her. Lead , definately lead. IMO. Maarten

Sorry. Apologies. Sometimes photos are deceptive. And a previous poster addressed you as Ms. I think. Jack Haha, Jack, this is EXACTLY how you misinterprete all pictures concerning JFK, for instance the Moorman picture and your "Badgeman-phantasy"! Gr. Paul. Jack, Paul has no idea WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!... Maarten