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Go chase "Badgeman" Miller and leave evaluation of the evidence to those who have no interest in mythological creatures.

Not that having other interest outside the Kennedy Assassination should have any bearing on being able to read a photograph or not ... would some of those mythological creatures you wish to divert attention to be the Giant Panda - the Giant Squid - the Bili Ape - the Gorilla - etc,. etc,. ... all thought to be fairy tales until found to be real.

Your point was as weak with me as it was when talking riddles to Beckett's response.

Bill Miller

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Done! Multiple times on this forum.

Bang-------------------5.85 seconds--------------------Bang------1.9/2.0 seconds----Bang

Z204/206-----------------------------------------------Z312/313----------------------Z349/350

Shot#1.

Entered back of JFK (base-first attitude), striking right transverse process of C7 vertebrae, which sheared small 0.9grain/ 4.5mm width lead protrusion from base of bullet. (Missing fragment in CE840). Small lead protrusion exited anterior throat of JFK and was later recovered from the left rear floor of the Presidential Limo.

Lead fragment was removed from the FBI Laboratory by William Sullivan.

Shot#2./aka Z313 impact

Struck JFK in the high rear (cowlick) area of the rear of the skull. Bullet traversed through the upper lobes of the brain and severely fragmented due primarily to the manner in which it exited the skull.

Fragments of the bullet flew forward at varying velocities based on at which point the fragment was seperated from the primary mass. Fragments went forward to the windshield/molding; as well as a fragment striking JBC in the right wrist as he held his right arm out. The "Tague" impact is a result of this shot as no other bullet fragmented.

Shot#3. aka/directly in front of James Altgens impact.

Penetrated through the coat of JFK at a point just below the lower edge of the coat collar, exited the coat on an oblique angle to strike JFK in the rear of the head at the lower edge of the hairline, "tunnelled" through the soft tissues at the rear of the base of the head to strike the skull in the EOP region.

Penetrated through the mid-brain to exit in the vicinity of the frontal lobe of the skull and then continued onward on a downward angle to strike JBC in the right rear shoulder as he lay across the open area of the jump seats with his head in Nellie's lap and his back and shoulder exposed in the void area between the jump seats.

Penetrated through JBC's chest to exit and then enter the left inner thigh.

3-Shots/3-Hits, and the WC's lie in regards to some mythological "THE SHOT THAT MISSED".

Done! Multiple times on this forum.

Bang-------------------5.85 seconds--------------------Bang------1.9/2.0 seconds----Bang

Z204/206-----------------------------------------------Z312/313----------------------Z349/350

Tom,

Or anyone.

What was the speed of the Zapruder camera (Frames per second)? 16 or 18?

How do you explain that 2 seconds are enough to "recycle" the MC and regain target?

I don't think that is enough time for even a semi-accurate shot, especially when considering it was a moving target.

Well, it's just my opinion. What do others think?

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Done! Multiple times on this forum.

Bang-------------------5.85 seconds--------------------Bang------1.9/2.0 seconds----Bang

Z204/206-----------------------------------------------Z312/313----------------------Z349/350

Shot#1.

Entered back of JFK (base-first attitude), striking right transverse process of C7 vertebrae, which sheared small 0.9grain/ 4.5mm width lead protrusion from base of bullet. (Missing fragment in CE840). Small lead protrusion exited anterior throat of JFK and was later recovered from the left rear floor of the Presidential Limo.

Lead fragment was removed from the FBI Laboratory by William Sullivan.

Shot#2./aka Z313 impact

Struck JFK in the high rear (cowlick) area of the rear of the skull. Bullet traversed through the upper lobes of the brain and severely fragmented due primarily to the manner in which it exited the skull.

Fragments of the bullet flew forward at varying velocities based on at which point the fragment was seperated from the primary mass. Fragments went forward to the windshield/molding; as well as a fragment striking JBC in the right wrist as he held his right arm out. The "Tague" impact is a result of this shot as no other bullet fragmented.

Shot#3. aka/directly in front of James Altgens impact.

Penetrated through the coat of JFK at a point just below the lower edge of the coat collar, exited the coat on an oblique angle to strike JFK in the rear of the head at the lower edge of the hairline, "tunnelled" through the soft tissues at the rear of the base of the head to strike the skull in the EOP region.

Penetrated through the mid-brain to exit in the vicinity of the frontal lobe of the skull and then continued onward on a downward angle to strike JBC in the right rear shoulder as he lay across the open area of the jump seats with his head in Nellie's lap and his back and shoulder exposed in the void area between the jump seats.

Penetrated through JBC's chest to exit and then enter the left inner thigh.

3-Shots/3-Hits, and the WC's lie in regards to some mythological "THE SHOT THAT MISSED".

Done! Multiple times on this forum.

Bang-------------------5.85 seconds--------------------Bang------1.9/2.0 seconds----Bang

Z204/206-----------------------------------------------Z312/313----------------------Z349/350

Tom,

Or anyone.

What was the speed of the Zapruder camera (Frames per second)? 16 or 18?

How do you explain that 2 seconds are enough to "recycle" the MC and regain target?

I don't think that is enough time for even a semi-accurate shot, especially when considering it was a moving target.

Well, it's just my opinion. What do others think?

1. The "elapsed time" as demonstrated above is based on the given/available frames of the Z-film and a speed of 18.3 exposed frames per second.

In the event that it can be proven that frames of the film have been excised, then, this would demonstrate a longer delay between Shot#1 and #2, as well as between Shot#2 and #3.

However! Indications are that there may in fact be a few missing frames of the film just as Clint Hill was about to climb upon the rear bumper of the limo for the first time.

If so, then the 1.9 to 2.0 second elapsed time between #2 and #3 would increase slightly.

2:

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. And this series of shots we fired to determine actually the speed at which the rifle could be fired, not being overly familiar with this particular firearm, and also to determine the accuracy of the weapon under those conditions.

Mr. FRAZIER - Killion fired three, Cunningham fired three, and I fired three.

Mr. EISENBERG - And do you have the times within which each agent fired the three shots?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. Killion fired his three shots in nine seconds, and they are shown--the three shots are interlocking, shown on Commission Exhibit No. 549.

Cunningham fired three shots--I know the approximate number of seconds was seven.

Cunningham's time was approximately seven seconds.

Mr. EISENBERG - And your time, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. FRAZIER - For this series, was six seconds, for my three shots,

Mr. FRAZIER - The bullets landed approximately--in Killion's target, No. 549, approximately 2 1/2 inches high, and 1 inch to the right, in the area about the size of a dime, interlocking in the paper, all three shots.

On Commission Exhibit 548, Cunningham fired three shots. These shots were interlocking, or within an eighth of an inch of each other, and were located approximately 4 inches high and 1 inch to the right of the aiming point. The three shots which I fired were landed in a three-quarter inch circle, two of them interlocking with Cunningham's shots, 4 inches high, and approximately 1 inch to the right of the aiming point.

Mr. EISENBERG - Could you describe for the record the dispersion on the two series?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. The first series of three shots were approximately--from 4 to 5 inches high and from 1 to 2 inches to the right of the aiming point, and landed within a 2-inch circle. These three shots were fired in 4.8 seconds. The second series of shots landed--one was about 1 inch high, and the other two about 4 or 5 inches high, and the maximum spread was 5 inches.

That series was fired in 4.6 seconds.

Mr. EISENBERG - Who fired these shots, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. FRAZIER - I fired them.

Mr. EISENBERG - Can you characterize the dispersion on each of the four targets?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

On Commission Exhibit 551 the three shots landed approximately 5 inches high and within a 3 1/2-inch circle, almost on a line horizontally across the target. This target and the other targets were fired on March 16, 1964 at Quantico, Va. These three shots were fired in 5.9 seconds.

The second target fired is Commission Exhibit 552, consisting of three shots fired in 6.2 seconds, which landed in approximately a 4 1/2 to 5-inch circle located 4 inches high and 3 or 4 inches to the right of the aiming point.

Commission Exhibit No. 553 is the third target fired, consisting of three shots which landed in a 3-inch circle located about 2 1/2 inches high and 2 inches to the right of the aiming point.

These three shots were fired in 5.6 seconds.

And Commission Exhibit No. 554, consisting of three shots fired in 6.5 seconds, which landed approximately 5 inches high and 5 inches to the right of the aiming point, all within a 3 1/2-inch circle.

Mr. FRAZIER - I fired three shots in 4.6 seconds at 25 yards with approximately a 3-inch spread, which is the equivalent of a 12-inch spread at a hundred yards. And I feel that a 12-inch relative circle could be reduced to 6 inches or even less with considerable practice with the weapon.

Mr. EISENBERG - That is in the 4.6-second time?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes. I would say from 4.8 to 5 seconds, in that area 4.6 is firing this weapon as fast as the bolt can be operated,

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The above is where those who peddal their wares have come up with the "2.3 to 2.4 seconds" elapsed time frame minimum/aka 42 to 43 elapsed frames of the film.

However, few have taken the time to note that:

A. This is the total elapsed time for ALL THREE shots.

B. The times given by Frazier represent ALL shots having been made utilizing the rifle scope in the aiming process.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mr. SIMMONS. Each fired two series of three rounds, using the telescopic sight. Then one of the firers repeated the exercise using the iron sight--because we had no indication whether the telescope had been used.

Mr. Hendrix fired twice. The time for the first exercise was 8.25 seconds; the time for the second exercise was 7.0 seconds.

Mr. Staley, on the first exercise, fired in 6 3/4 seconds; the second attempt he used 6.45 seconds.

Specialist Miller used 4.6 seconds on his first attempt, 5.15 seconds in his second attempt, and 4.45 seconds in his exercise using the iron sight.

Mr. EISENBERG. How much practice had they had with the weapon, Exhibit 139, before they began firing?

Mr. SIMMONS. They had each attempted the exercise without the use of ammunition, and had worked the bolt as they tried the exercise. They had not pulled the trigger during the exercise, however, because we were a little concerned about breaking the firing pin.

Mr. EISENBERG. Could you give us an estimate of how much time they used in this dry-run practice, each?

Mr. SIMMONS. They used no more than 2 or 3 minutes each.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As has been repeatedly posted on this, as well as other forums, multiple persons have operated and fired the Carcano rifle in a "single shot" mode which included operation of the bolt in times ranging from 1.6 to 1.9 seconds, utilizing the Iron Sights in their aiming process.

Even the "non-shooter" Chiropracter Chad Zimmerman has accomplished this feat.

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What either you or I "think" is totally irrelevant in regards to what the physical facts actually are.

1.6 elapsed seconds X 18.3 elapsed frames per second = 29.28 + 311/312 = Z340.28 earliest second shot.

1.9 elapsed seconds X 18.3 elapsed frames per second = 34.77 + 311/312 = Z345.77 earliest second shot

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Z349 - Z311 = 38 frames/18.3 elapsed frames per second = 2.076 seconds.

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Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; we have established that the Zapruder motion picture camera operates at an average speed of 18.3 frames per second. And we have been advised that the minimum time for firing the rifle in successive shots is approximately two and a quarter seconds. So this gives us then a figure of two and a quarter seconds of frames; at 18.3, this gives us this figure of 41 to 42 frames.

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Surely, as a CT, you did not believe what the WC/aka Specter, Shaneyfelt, Hoover & Co. fed to you??????

Where would be the "logic" of that??????

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Go chase "Badgeman" Miller and leave evaluation of the evidence to those who have no interest in mythological creatures.

Not that having other interest outside the Kennedy Assassination should have any bearing on being able to read a photograph or not ... would some of those mythological creatures you wish to divert attention to be the Giant Panda - the Giant Squid - the Bili Ape - the Gorilla - etc,. etc,. ... all thought to be fairy tales until found to be real.

Your point was as weak with me as it was when talking riddles to Beckett's response.

Bill Miller

"Not that having other interest outside the Kennedy Assassination should have any bearing on being able to read a photograph or not"

Perhaps therein lies much of your problem(s).

Most of us, whether in normal as well as advanced schooling, were taught to "read" as well as make an attempt to understand the english language.

Most of us who, for whatever reason have had some extent of photographic examination, were generally taught to make an attempt to "interpret" the photograph.

Now! Were the photo to be a photograph of some written language, then I would suppose that in attempting to interpret the photographic image that we would also have to "read" it as well.

"Your point was as weak with me as it was when talking riddles to Beckett's response."

It would be my opinion that you clearly demonstrated your weakness when you apparantly fell for the BS of Al Carrier as well as the BS/BS (Blood Spatter/BS) of those who run another forum.

(along with the infamous "Badgeman" I might add)

We call it "gullibility" down here in the MS Swamp.

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Well, the normally predictable alteration debate takes a turn into the Twilight Zone with the appearance of Tom Purvis. This guy is as long winded as he is incomprehensible.

Really, folks, how do you take seriously someone who believes Oswald fired all the shots with the defective Carcano, dismisses the notion of a missed shot, claims the last shot was fired at Z350!, claims the Warren Commission engaged in a "cover up" that apparently was limited to his precious and bizarre shot sequence theory and.... believes in film alteration!

Tell us, Tom, in 10,000 words or less- why would anyone have altered film of the assassination, if Oswald did all the shooting? Who altered it? Surely not those "mythological" figures you criticize true reseeachers from "chasing?" What do you think was altered, if you accept the impossible fairy tale of three shots from behind by Oswald? Oh wait, I know.... they edited out your brilliant shot sequence hypothesis. According to you, there is nothing else they could have edited out. Apparently the most important point of the whole assassination, in your eyes, is that the Warren Commission purposefully misidentified a missed shot, and further "covered up" a later third shot because..... Well, there is no rational "because," is there? Why, to make James Tague a bit player in the drama?

For Jack White, Jim Fetzer and co., I ask- do you really want this guy on your side in the alterationist debate? To Josiah Thompson, Bill Miller and co., I ask- can you acknowledge that the postings of Purvis bring more embarrassment to legitimate researchers than the wildest alterationist claim? Can alterationists and non-alterationists alike come together at least on this, and call Puvis's ravings what they are- bogus and ridiculous?

"For Jack White, Jim Fetzer and co., I ask- do you really want this guy on your side in the alterationist debate? "

That is what the "Company" pays me to do. To divert attention away from all of the highly factual research of such individuals.

[b]"Really, folks, how do you take seriously someone who believes Oswald fired all the shots with the defective Carcano, dismisses the notion of a missed shot, claims the last shot was fired at Z350!, claims the Warren Commission engaged in a "cover up" that apparently was limited to his precious and bizarre shot sequence theory and.... believes in film alteration! "[/b]

1. Might want to double check that long ago disproven "factoid" in regards to the 6.5mm Model 91/38 Carcano Short Rifle.

2. Might also want to attempt to explain exactly why anyone would believe the WC and their "THE SHOT THAT MISSED".

Especially if one assumes that they were all liars anyway.

3. Might want to check the testimony of James Altgens as well as a review of the Z-film in regards to the impact location of the third/last/final shot. As well as go back and have someone show you the SS as well as FBI Survey Plats which clearly demonstrate the third/last/final shot impact location, down directly in front of James Altgens location.

4. Might want to discontinue the 40+ year effort to prove that the WC was a lie, and take those absolutely factual pieces of evidence provided and clearly demonstrate that it was a lie.

History will ultimately determine exactly what the lie was all about.

5. Might want to check out exactly what is so "bizarre" as the simple concept of three-shots, three-hits. Sounds like common sense to me.

6. Might want to go back and check the "running record" of those items claimed, v. those items proven.

"Can alterationists and non-alterationists alike come together at least on this, and call Puvis's ravings what they are- bogus and ridiculous?"

Give Von Pein a call. No doubt he would be more than glad to assist in the "kook" (note that Bill Miller now also likes to utilize this as well) department.

There are most certainly "bogus and ridiculous" claims all over this, as well as virtually every other JFK assassination forum.

The usually begin with someone demonstrating their ignorance in regards to the ability of the 6.5mm Model 91/38 Carcano Short rifle, then proceed to the completely erroneous claims of LHO's lack of shooting ability, and then proceed downhill from there.

Sound familiar?

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Well, the normally predictable alteration debate takes a turn into the Twilight Zone with the appearance of Tom Purvis. This guy is as long winded as he is incomprehensible.

Really, folks, how do you take seriously someone who believes Oswald fired all the shots with the defective Carcano, dismisses the notion of a missed shot, claims the last shot was fired at Z350!, claims the Warren Commission engaged in a "cover up" that apparently was limited to his precious and bizarre shot sequence theory and.... believes in film alteration!

Tell us, Tom, in 10,000 words or less- why would anyone have altered film of the assassination, if Oswald did all the shooting? Who altered it? Surely not those "mythological" figures you criticize true reseeachers from "chasing?" What do you think was altered, if you accept the impossible fairy tale of three shots from behind by Oswald? Oh wait, I know.... they edited out your brilliant shot sequence hypothesis. According to you, there is nothing else they could have edited out. Apparently the most important point of the whole assassination, in your eyes, is that the Warren Commission purposefully misidentified a missed shot, and further "covered up" a later third shot because..... Well, there is no rational "because," is there? Why, to make James Tague a bit player in the drama?

For Jack White, Jim Fetzer and co., I ask- do you really want this guy on your side in the alterationist debate? To Josiah Thompson, Bill Miller and co., I ask- can you acknowledge that the postings of Purvis bring more embarrassment to legitimate researchers than the wildest alterationist claim? Can alterationists and non-alterationists alike come together at least on this, and call Puvis's ravings what they are- bogus and ridiculous?

Purvis is harmless enough because he is a one-trick pony, with endless repetitions, provided nobody

takes him seriously. He does possess one bit of genuine important information...an original West

survey, and things West told him about it. But for as long as he has been here, he has never

shared this information. He is sort of an embarrassment to any side he is on.

Jack

With that stated!

Not unlike the repeated actions of Bill Miller, I too must plead guilty to having taken a "shot or two" at some of Jack's completely silly and unfounded claims. Such as the "six-groove bullet" as well as the "bottom mount sling swivel".

However! Unlike Miller, I do not consider such as being any great accomplishment in regards to being able to "read" (actually interpret) a photograph.

Stated simply, discrediting most of what Jack comes up with has a difficulty rating of the equivilance of shooting (with a 12 guage shotgun) tame ducks in a small pond.

Therefore, it truly does not represent any great accomplishment upon which one should base their fame.

P.S. Jack

Am I to also assume that all of my discussions and correspondences with Dr. Boswell have no bearing on the subject matter?

How about the same with:

FBI Agent Frazier

FBI Agent Gallagher

FBI Agent Heilman

FBI Agent Heiberger

FBI Agent Jim Worrell

Dr. Malcolm O. Perry

Dr. Russell Buhite

Dr. Jack Doyle (Military Surgeon)

Dr. William Eckert

Dr. Cyril Wecht

Dr. Thomas Noguchi

Dr. Robert Ringrose (Logan County, OK Coroner & Medical Examiner)

Dr. Clyde Snow

Dr. Charles Wilbur

Mrs. Abraham Zapruder

Henry Zapruder (son of Abe Zaruder)

Are you telling me that all of this was merely a waste of time and money, as I learned nothing?

Not to mention all of the trouble and expenses of securing one of each make/model of the Carcano Rifle, as well as some of WCC's 6.5mm ammo for examination!

Boy oh boy, I must be dumb if I learned nothing along this time consuming and relatively expensive journey.

Actually! I learned and fully came to recognize that, at least within the continental boundaries of the US, there are complete idiots who will believe and promote anything.

Now, with this "international" forum, I have also found that this is apparantly a highly contagious world-wide problem.

Perhaps if we called in the World Health Organization we could find some assistance in the continued spread of this complete lack of factual knowledge/aka ignorance.

Unlike you Jack( and a few others), I was not born with the "Carmac" ability, and therefore have to actually research my subject matter prior to insertion of foot-in-mouth.

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Well, the normally predictable alteration debate takes a turn into the Twilight Zone with the appearance of Tom Purvis. This guy is as long winded as he is incomprehensible.

Really, folks, how do you take seriously someone who believes Oswald fired all the shots with the defective Carcano, dismisses the notion of a missed shot, claims the last shot was fired at Z350!, claims the Warren Commission engaged in a "cover up" that apparently was limited to his precious and bizarre shot sequence theory and.... believes in film alteration!

Tell us, Tom, in 10,000 words or less- why would anyone have altered film of the assassination, if Oswald did all the shooting? Who altered it? Surely not those "mythological" figures you criticize true reseeachers from "chasing?" What do you think was altered, if you accept the impossible fairy tale of three shots from behind by Oswald? Oh wait, I know.... they edited out your brilliant shot sequence hypothesis. According to you, there is nothing else they could have edited out. Apparently the most important point of the whole assassination, in your eyes, is that the Warren Commission purposefully misidentified a missed shot, and further "covered up" a later third shot because..... Well, there is no rational "because," is there? Why, to make James Tague a bit player in the drama?

For Jack White, Jim Fetzer and co., I ask- do you really want this guy on your side in the alterationist debate? To Josiah Thompson, Bill Miller and co., I ask- can you acknowledge that the postings of Purvis bring more embarrassment to legitimate researchers than the wildest alterationist claim? Can alterationists and non-alterationists alike come together at least on this, and call Puvis's ravings what they are- bogus and ridiculous?

Purvis is harmless enough because he is a one-trick pony, with endless repetitions, provided nobody

takes him seriously. He does possess one bit of genuine important information...an original West

survey, and things West told him about it. But for as long as he has been here, he has never

shared this information. He is sort of an embarrassment to any side he is on.

Jack

With that stated!

Not unlike the repeated actions of Bill Miller, I too must plead guilty to having taken a "shot or two" at some of Jack's completely silly and unfounded claims. Such as the "six-groove bullet" as well as the "bottom mount sling swivel".

However! Unlike Miller, I do not consider such as being any great accomplishment in regards to being able to "read" (actually interpret) a photograph.

Stated simply, discrediting most of what Jack comes up with has a difficulty rating of the equivilance of shooting (with a 12 guage shotgun) tame ducks in a small pond.

Therefore, it truly does not represent any great accomplishment upon which one should base their fame.

P.S. Jack

Am I to also assume that all of my discussions and correspondences with Dr. Boswell have no bearing on the subject matter?

How about the same with:

FBI Agent Frazier

FBI Agent Gallagher

FBI Agent Heilman

FBI Agent Heiberger

FBI Agent Jim Worrell

Dr. Malcolm O. Perry

Dr. Russell Buhite

Dr. Jack Doyle (Military Surgeon)

Dr. William Eckert

Dr. Cyril Wecht

Dr. Thomas Noguchi

Dr. Robert Ringrose (Logan County, OK Coroner & Medical Examiner)

Dr. Clyde Snow

Dr. Charles Wilbur

Mrs. Abraham Zapruder

Henry Zapruder (son of Abe Zaruder)

Are you telling me that all of this was merely a waste of time and money, as I learned nothing?

Not to mention all of the trouble and expenses of securing one of each make/model of the Carcano Rifle, as well as some of WCC's 6.5mm ammo for examination!

Boy oh boy, I must be dumb if I learned nothing along this time consuming and relatively expensive journey.

Actually! I learned and fully came to recognize that, at least within the continental boundaries of the US, there are complete idiots who will believe and promote anything.

Now, with this "international" forum, I have also found that this is apparantly a highly contagious world-wide problem.

Perhaps if we called in the World Health Organization we could find some assistance in the continued spread of this complete lack of factual knowledge/aka ignorance.

Unlike you Jack( and a few others), I was not born with the "Carmac" ability, and therefore have to actually research my subject matter prior to insertion of foot-in-mouth.

"But for as long as he has been here, he has never shared this information."

Slept through all of that too, did you Jack?

1. Time/Life Survey Plat and survey notes information provided

2. SS Survey plat of 12/5/63 and relative survey notes provided

3. FBI Survey plat of 2/7/64 and relative survey notes provided

4. WC Survey Plat and most of relative notes provided

5. Altered survey data provided

6. Vehicle speed analysis (based on WC's phony re-enactment) provided

7. Many of my discussions with Mr. West provided

8. FBI Survey Plat of May 64 (not known to exist) provided

Now Jack! With your apparant lack of actual research ability, it is understandable as to how you may have missed some of this provided information, even though most of it was provided multiple times. However, to state that I have not "provided" information relative to this, clearly demonstrates that you are either completely ignorant of what has transpired over the past few years, or else are merely jealous that you did not know enough to acquire these highly important documents for yourself in order to attempt to actually do factual research.

Lastly, for those who were not around, I also provided the "key" to correlation of survey information from the WC Survey Plat with that of the Drommer Plat, which I would hope has opened a few doors for the newer generation of "intelligent" researchers who have already demonstrated (to me at least) that they intend to continue with the factual research of the JFK assassination.

The "Day of the Dinosaur" is long past Jack. Give it a rest and move out of the way in order that those who are interested in "Factual Research" and evidence can continue to explore and present.

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Wake up Kathy!

Train is back on the rails, even if a little behind schedule.

It has to do with the first shot. (as asinine as that may sound)

(go figure that one out)

P.S. They are/were much, much, more smarter than than most who hang around any of these forums.

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OK!

Fingerprint gone!

And, since no one most likely believed it to begin with, perhaps the originator of this assinine* theory has been smoking far too much of that DeMohrenschildt "hemp" if he is of the misguided opinion that this has any bearing on the first shot fired.

But, then again, perhaps not!

*as opposed to "asinine" theory. An "assinine" theory is when one comes up with something which is so stupid that they make a complete A*s of themselves.

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Done! Multiple times on this forum.

Bang-------------------5.85 seconds--------------------Bang------1.9/2.0 seconds----Bang

Z204/206-----------------------------------------------Z312/313----------------------Z349/350

Shot#1.

Entered back of JFK (base-first attitude), striking right transverse process of C7 vertebrae, which sheared small 0.9grain/ 4.5mm width lead protrusion from base of bullet. (Missing fragment in CE840). Small lead protrusion exited anterior throat of JFK and was later recovered from the left rear floor of the Presidential Limo.

Lead fragment was removed from the FBI Laboratory by William Sullivan.

Shot#2./aka Z313 impact

Struck JFK in the high rear (cowlick) area of the rear of the skull. Bullet traversed through the upper lobes of the brain and severely fragmented due primarily to the manner in which it exited the skull.

Fragments of the bullet flew forward at varying velocities based on at which point the fragment was seperated from the primary mass. Fragments went forward to the windshield/molding; as well as a fragment striking JBC in the right wrist as he held his right arm out. The "Tague" impact is a result of this shot as no other bullet fragmented.

Shot#3. aka/directly in front of James Altgens impact.

Penetrated through the coat of JFK at a point just below the lower edge of the coat collar, exited the coat on an oblique angle to strike JFK in the rear of the head at the lower edge of the hairline, "tunnelled" through the soft tissues at the rear of the base of the head to strike the skull in the EOP region.

Penetrated through the mid-brain to exit in the vicinity of the frontal lobe of the skull and then continued onward on a downward angle to strike JBC in the right rear shoulder as he lay across the open area of the jump seats with his head in Nellie's lap and his back and shoulder exposed in the void area between the jump seats.

Penetrated through JBC's chest to exit and then enter the left inner thigh.

3-Shots/3-Hits, and the WC's lie in regards to some mythological "THE SHOT THAT MISSED".

Thom,

So you totally ignore the observations of SS Agent Bennett when he wrote in his report:

...About thirty minutes after leaving Love Field about 12:25 P.M., the Motorcade entered an intersection and then proceeded down a grade. At this point the well-wishers numbered but a few; the motorcade continued down this grade enroute to the Trade Mart. At this point I heard what_sounded like a fire-cracker.

FIRST SHOT GETS HIS ATTENTION AND HE LOOKS AT THE BOSS

I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder.

HE SEES SECOND SHOT HIT THE BOSS'S BACK

A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head....

WHAT HE CALLS THE SECOND SHOT IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD SHOT HE MENTIONS HITS THE BOSS IN THE HEAD.

And in his handwritten notes:

In event one will read the handwritten notes of SS Agent Glen Bennett which were written during the actual flight back to Bethesda, they will find that it states:

"At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about four inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head."

I THINK WHEN HE REFERES TO THE "SECOND SHOT" HE IS IMPLYING THAT THE SECOND AND THE THIRD SHOTS WERE CLOSE TOGETHER, LIKE ALMOST ALL OF THE EARWITNESSES SAID.

IF YOU ARE TO BELIEVE BENNETT, THEN THE SEQUENCE OF SHOTS WAS FIRST SHOT HIT CONNALLY/ OR MISSED - SECOND SHOT HIT JFK IN BACK AND THIRD SHOT WAS THE HEAD SHOT. THAT'S HOW I READ BENNETT.

IS GLENN BENNETT STILL ALIVE? DOES ANYONE KNOW IF VINCE TALKED TO HIM?

I CAN BE CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS NO MISSED SHOT, AND THAT TAGUE WAS HIT BY A FRAGMENT RICKOCHET, BUT THE SEQUENCE OF SHOTS THAT BENNETT HEARD AND SAW, SEEMS TO IMPLY A FIRST SHOT GOT HIS ATTENTION, SECOND SHOT HIT THE BACK AND THE THIRD SHOT, QUICKLY FOLLOWING THE SECOND, HIT THE HEAD.

DON'T MEAN TO SHOUT, JUST TO DIFFERENCIATE ME FROM THOM AND BENNETT.

BK

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I have tried, more than a few times, to point out the lunacy in the posts of Tom Purvis. Each time, I've waited in vain for somone on this forum to back me up. What does this guy have, that otherwise intelligent people can't see through his nonsense? Why do any of you think he has the least bit of credibility?

Consider what he's saying; the Warren Commission "covered up" but all their essential conclusions were right. Oswald did all the shooting, but the films of the assassination were altered. The Carcano was a good weapon, and Oswald was a good shooter. His "research" is absurd, and flies in the face of all the evidence. Why will none of you post a simple "yeah, I totally agree?" I can't be the only one on this forum who feels this way. Purvis fills up entire threads with nonsensical answers to his own incomprehensble ramblings. That alone should annoy everyone.

Josiah, Bill, Barb and other non-alterationists- if you consider Jim Fetzer and Jack White uncredible and embarrassing, what do you think of Purvis? Why don't you blast his ridiculous theories on this forum, the way you blast Fetzer and White? Josiah, aren't you bothered in the least by someone who thnks Oswald did all the shooting (and was a crack shot to boot), but maintains that the Warren Commission was "covering up" nonetheless and also believes the films were altered?

Unless I've missed something, no one else on this forum has really taken Purvis to task for his numerous illogical and confusing posts. No one seems to mind his arrogance or his overwhelming air of self-imortance, which comes through in every word he writes. It honestly amazes me that he commands the least bit of respect here. I'm starting to feel like the little child in "The Emperor's New Clothes."

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It would be my opinion that you clearly demonstrated your weakness when you apparantly fell for the BS of Al Carrier as well as the BS/BS (Blood Spatter/BS) of those who run another forum.

(along with the infamous "Badgeman" I might add)

We call it "gullibility" down here in the MS Swamp.

You definitely have 'A Beautiful Mind' .... Puris. ;)Boo!

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I have tried, more than a few times, to point out the lunacy in the posts of Tom Purvis. Each time, I've waited in vain for someone on this forum to back me up. What does this guy have, that otherwise intelligent people can't see through his nonsense? Why do any of you think he has the least bit of credibility?

Consider what he's saying; the Warren Commission "covered up" but all their essential conclusions were right. Oswald did all the shooting, but the films of the assassination were altered. The Carcano was a good weapon, and Oswald was a good shooter. His "research" is absurd, and flies in the face of all the evidence. Why will none of you post a simple "yeah, I totally agree?" I can't be the only one on this forum who feels this way. Purvis fills up entire threads with nonsensical answers to his own incomprehensible ramblings. That alone should annoy everyone.

Josiah, Bill, Barb and other non-alterations- if you consider Jim Fetzer and Jack White not credible and embarrassing, what do you think of Purvis? Why don't you blast his ridiculous theories on this forum, the way you blast Fetzer and White? Josiah, aren't you bothered in the least by someone who thinks Oswald did all the shooting (and was a crack shot to boot), but maintains that the Warren Commission was "covering up" nonetheless and also believes the films were altered?

Unless I've missed something, no one else on this forum has really taken Purvis to task for his numerous illogical and confusing posts. No one seems to mind his arrogance or his overwhelming air of self-imortance, which comes through in every word he writes. It honestly amazes me that he commands the least bit of respect here. I'm starting to feel like the little child in "The Emperor's New Clothes."

Don, those individuals I have spoken to don't put much stock in what Puris post. I can tell you that your observations concerning his views is shared by many. Purvis believes he has the assassination of John F. Kennedy all figured out, but yet he stays on these threads so to repeat the same thing over and over to people who didn't buy it the first dozen times he cited it. I mean think about it ... Who in their right mind who thinks they know so much about the assassination that once they have it figured out ... their next goal is to only repeat it over and over again on a forum such as this.

I wouldn't even be surprised to find that Purvis as an official Maxwell Smart shoe phone. ;)

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Unless I've missed something, no one else on this forum has really taken Purvis to task for his numerous illogical and confusing posts. No one seems to mind his arrogance or his overwhelming air of self-imortance, which comes through in every word he writes. It honestly amazes me that he commands the least bit of respect here. I'm starting to feel like the little child in "The Emperor's New Clothes."

Don, no one will waste a second with you except Wild Bill Miller who is Gary Mack second here.... he of course is trying to paint a good face on everything here for the Dallas City Father's.

In so far as Tom Purvis, I suspect he's forgot more concerning this case than you'll ever know.... so, when it comes to lunacy, I'd keep myself under wraps for a while if I were you. At least till the real *in the know* CT's finally leave this forum. Then you Lone Nut wunderkinds can have your justly deserved lovefest....

btw, Josiah doesn't do autographs.... rumor has it, Miller does! LMAO

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I wouldn't even be surprised to find that Purvis as an official Maxwell Smart shoe phone.

hell, you see heads with hats in Dealey Plaza bushes -- Phones in shoes? Much more realistic.....

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