Greg Burnham Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Pat, I just doubled checked my facts and I probably stand corrected! I might be confused because I may have inadvertantly combined the "audio" of his interview about his changing the WR wording with the images they were showing simultaneously of the artist's rendering. Thanks. Edited March 16, 2010 by Greg Burnham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Robert is convinced that his kid brother killed the President. Paul. Seems nobody has told you, Paul, so I will let you in on a secret. OPINIONS ARE NOT EVIDENCE. If Robert Oswald changes his opinion tomorrow, and decides that the assassins were Howard Hunt & Co (and not his brother Lee) will that prove to you that Lee Oswald was innocent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 There was no response to my last post, but I am tenacious. Exposing the JFK assassination conspiracy and cover up is not a hopeless task, but it is daunting because it involves a task akin to attempting to make a list of everything. As the following examples intend to illustrate, the political system is so corrupted for so long, that there is a vested interest in maintaining the cover up because the rewards for doing so continue to be doled out and folks like Cindy McCain and probably subcommittee chairman Lacy are not inclined to smearing their own family legacies. Obama and McCain won't be biting the hand that feeds them. The two, major party candidates for US President in the 2008 campaign were sponsored by.: Barak Obama, sponsored by Lester Crown son and heir of a man who was said to be, by James M. Ragen, one of the primary financial recipients of the proceeds of Moe Annenberg's TransAmerica Race Wire. John McCain, was initially sponsored politically, by and married the only daughter and heir of James Hensley. convicted federal felon who left a fortune in excess of $200 million and, with his brother, the three time convicted felon, Eugene Hemsley, knew and worked for since childhood, Arizona mob boss and billionaire, Kemper Marley, who took over elements of the Transamerica Race Wire, with Gus Greenbaum, in 1946 Friends,On Thursday, March 18, 2010, the House Information Policy, Census and National Archives Subcommittee will hold a hearing entitled: "Administration of the Freedom of Information Act: Current Trends." The hearing will take place at 2:00 p.m. in room 2154 Rayburn House Office Building. The Rayburn Building is south of the Capitol on Independence and 2nd Street, SW in Washington, DC. This event falls within Sunshine Week activities in Washington, DC, held from March 14-20 in DC this year. For more on their plans nationwide see: http://www.sunshineweek.org/About.aspx#howcan. A group of researchers including Bill Kelly, Bill Simpich, Adele Edisen and others will be visiting the members of this subcommittee to lobby for both oversight hearings on the implementation of the JFK Assassination Records Act as required by legislation, and for hearings on and passage of a Martin Luther King. Jr. Records Act, as proposed but not yet introduced by Senator John Kerry and Rep. John Lewis. The members of the subcommittee are listed at http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?optio...cle&id=2229 %3Amembership&catid=37&Itemid=20 Please check to see if your representative is listed here and contact them asking them to support these efforts by calling for hearings and voting for the new bill when it comes to the floor. Rep. Lucien Clay, Chairman of the subcommittee was a co-sponsor of the MLK Records Act when it was introduced by Rep. Cynthia McKinney in 2005 and is sympathetic. If your representative is not listed, ask them to contact Rep. Clay to urge him to move forward on hearings and to push for introduction of the MLK bill. Once the bill has a number in the Senate and House, we will be in touch for ask for further support. This is an early lobbying effort. The hearings for the MLK Records Act may combine with the oversight hearings on the JFK Act because they are closely related. Thanks for your support, and hope to see you in Dallas this year November 19-22! John Judge..... John Judge made a small mistake, the name of the "sympatheitic" subcommittee chairman of NARA congressional oversight is actually not "Lucien Clay", but this man.: http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?optio...9&Itemid=19Thank you for visiting the Information Policy, Census and National Archives Subcommittee website.... Wm. Lacy Clay, Chairman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lacy_Clay,_Jr. ....Clay, Jr. was born in St. Louis, Missouri,[1] but his family moved to Washington, D.C. when his father, Bill Clay, was elected to U.S. Congress. Chairman Clay "inherited" his seat in congress after his father stepped down from the same seat and an ellection was held.: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2000-10-11/.../pipe-schemes/5Pipe Schemes The powerful Pipefitters union has a simple plan to provide job security for its members: It wants to take away other people's work. By Peter Downs Published on October 11, 2000 ....In an effort to ward off a federal anti-discrimination lawsuit against the union in the mid-'60s, Lawler hired civil-rights activist Bill Clay to work for the union as a minority recruiter. In 1968, Local 562 provided most of the money for Clay's successful campaign for the 1st Congressional District. When Robert Young later won the 2nd Congressional District, Local 562 could claim to have two guys in Congress.... The background of Chairman Clay's father's principal financial political benefactors.: http://books.google.com/books?id=Qz8EAAAAM...ert&f=falseLIFE - Page 41 Magazine - Jul 26, 1968 Congressmen find embarrassment in 'Callanan fund' Ex-Con Who Spent Big on Candidates by William Lambert http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/...lliam-G-Lambert ...The Fund was set ip originally for Callanan by his friend, attorney and political mentor, Morris Shenker, a power in state Democratic circles (also, like Lawler and Mrs. Callanan, a national convention delegate) also one of the country's leading criminal lawyers. Shenker is the fund's paid "consultant," and its books are kept in his office.... Page 42 http://books.google.com/books?id=Qz8EAAAAM...562&f=false ....Larry Callanan first took control of local 562 in the mid-'40s, with the muscular help of gangster Frank ("Buster") Wortman and his cronies. Callanan was a certified roughneck himself, having caught a five9year sentence for armed robbery as a teen-ager. Wortman, who draws a pension from local 562 and lives in a moat-surrounded home near East St. Louis, ILL, has been running southern Illinois Mob operations for Chicago Cosa Nostra chieftain Sam Giancana for nearly 30 years. (Callanan has had other colorful underworld associates, among them Anthony Giordano and John Vitale, Boss and Underboss respectively of the St. Louis Cosa Nostra Family, and James A. Michaels Sr., chief of the St. Louis-Syrian-crime-syndicate.) With Shenker's counsel, Callanan created the fund in 1947 to help elect "friends of organized labor" in the 1948 campaign... http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=s...nG=Search+Books LIFE - Page 39 Magazine - Nov 10, 1967 - v. 63, no. 19 - 138 pages After serving a term for extortion, Callanan has become a generous supporter of Senator Long. At a 1965 ground-breaking ceremony for a new bank, ... Full view http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=m...nG=Search+Books LIFE - Page 25 Magazine - May 29, 1970 - v. 68, no. 20 - 96 pages Mayor AJ Cervantes, who appointed Shenker to lead the drive on crime, ... Attorney Morris Shenker, to head a newly formed Commission on Crime and Law ... Full view - http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=s...nG=Search+Books Strange help-Hoffa campaign of the U.S. senator from Missouri - Page 26 Magazine - LIFE - May 26, 1967 - v. 62, no. 21 - 134 pages 21 May 26, 1967 in his long battle to avoid prison, jimmy Hoffa (shown handcuffed ... to spring Hoffa, lawyers William Bufalino (left) and Morris Shenker, LIFE - Page 29 Magazine - May 29, 1970 - v. 68, no. 20 - 96 pages Shenker has been one of James Hoffa's lawyers since 1962, and his chief counsel since 1966. For Shenker, Hoffa has been the key to a $700 million treasure ... Full view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 There was no response to my last post, but I am tenacious. Exposing the JFK assassination conspiracy and cover up is not a hopeless task, but it is daunting because it involves a task akin to attempting to make a list of everything. As the following examples intend to illustrate, the political system is so corrupted for so long, that there is a vested interest in maintaining the cover up because the rewards for doing so continue to be doled out and folks like Cindy McCain and probably subcommittee chairman Lacy are not inclined to smearing their own family legacies. Obama and McCain won't be biting the hand that feeds them.The two, major party candidates for US President in the 2008 campaign were sponsored by.: Barak Obama, sponsored by Lester Crown son and heir of a man who was said to be, by James M. Ragen, one of the primary financial recipients of the proceeds of Moe Annenberg's TransAmerica Race Wire. John McCain, was initially sponsored politically, by and married the only daughter and heir of James Hensley. convicted federal felon who left a fortune in excess of $200 million and, with his brother, the three time convicted felon, Eugene Hemsley, knew and worked for since childhood, Arizona mob boss and billionaire, Kemper Marley, who took over elements of the Transamerica Race Wire, with Gus Greenbaum, in 1946 Friends,On Thursday, March 18, 2010, the House Information Policy, Census and National Archives Subcommittee will hold a hearing entitled: "Administration of the Freedom of Information Act: Current Trends." The hearing will take place at 2:00 p.m. in room 2154 Rayburn House Office Building. The Rayburn Building is south of the Capitol on Independence and 2nd Street, SW in Washington, DC. This event falls within Sunshine Week activities in Washington, DC, held from March 14-20 in DC this year. For more on their plans nationwide see: http://www.sunshineweek.org/About.aspx#howcan. A group of researchers including Bill Kelly, Bill Simpich, Adele Edisen and others will be visiting the members of this subcommittee to lobby for both oversight hearings on the implementation of the JFK Assassination Records Act as required by legislation, and for hearings on and passage of a Martin Luther King. Jr. Records Act, as proposed but not yet introduced by Senator John Kerry and Rep. John Lewis. The members of the subcommittee are listed at http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?optio...cle&id=2229 %3Amembership&catid=37&Itemid=20 Please check to see if your representative is listed here and contact them asking them to support these efforts by calling for hearings and voting for the new bill when it comes to the floor. Rep. Lucien Clay, Chairman of the subcommittee was a co-sponsor of the MLK Records Act when it was introduced by Rep. Cynthia McKinney in 2005 and is sympathetic. If your representative is not listed, ask them to contact Rep. Clay to urge him to move forward on hearings and to push for introduction of the MLK bill. Once the bill has a number in the Senate and House, we will be in touch for ask for further support. This is an early lobbying effort. The hearings for the MLK Records Act may combine with the oversight hearings on the JFK Act because they are closely related. Thanks for your support, and hope to see you in Dallas this year November 19-22! John Judge..... John Judge made a small mistake, the name of the "sympatheitic" subcommittee chairman of NARA congressional oversight is actually not "Lucien Clay", but this man.: http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?optio...9&Itemid=19Thank you for visiting the Information Policy, Census and National Archives Subcommittee website.... Wm. Lacy Clay, Chairman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lacy_Clay,_Jr. ....Clay, Jr. was born in St. Louis, Missouri,[1] but his family moved to Washington, D.C. when his father, Bill Clay, was elected to U.S. Congress. Chairman Clay "inherited" his seat in congress after his father stepped down from the same seat and an ellection was held.: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2000-10-11/.../pipe-schemes/5Pipe Schemes The powerful Pipefitters union has a simple plan to provide job security for its members: It wants to take away other people's work. By Peter Downs Published on October 11, 2000 ....In an effort to ward off a federal anti-discrimination lawsuit against the union in the mid-'60s, Lawler hired civil-rights activist Bill Clay to work for the union as a minority recruiter. In 1968, Local 562 provided most of the money for Clay's successful campaign for the 1st Congressional District. When Robert Young later won the 2nd Congressional District, Local 562 could claim to have two guys in Congress.... The background of Chairman Clay's father's principal financial political benefactors.: http://books.google.com/books?id=Qz8EAAAAM...ert&f=falseLIFE - Page 41 Magazine - Jul 26, 1968 Congressmen find embarrassment in 'Callanan fund' Ex-Con Who Spent Big on Candidates by William Lambert http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/...lliam-G-Lambert ...The Fund was set ip originally for Callanan by his friend, attorney and political mentor, Morris Shenker, a power in state Democratic circles (also, like Lawler and Mrs. Callanan, a national convention delegate) also one of the country's leading criminal lawyers. Shenker is the fund's paid "consultant," and its books are kept in his office.... Page 42 http://books.google.com/books?id=Qz8EAAAAM...562&f=false ....Larry Callanan first took control of local 562 in the mid-'40s, with the muscular help of gangster Frank ("Buster") Wortman and his cronies. Callanan was a certified roughneck himself, having caught a five9year sentence for armed robbery as a teen-ager. Wortman, who draws a pension from local 562 and lives in a moat-surrounded home near East St. Louis, ILL, has been running southern Illinois Mob operations for Chicago Cosa Nostra chieftain Sam Giancana for nearly 30 years. (Callanan has had other colorful underworld associates, among them Anthony Giordano and John Vitale, Boss and Underboss respectively of the St. Louis Cosa Nostra Family, and James A. Michaels Sr., chief of the St. Louis-Syrian-crime-syndicate.) With Shenker's counsel, Callanan created the fund in 1947 to help elect "friends of organized labor" in the 1948 campaign... http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=s...nG=Search+Books LIFE - Page 39 Magazine - Nov 10, 1967 - v. 63, no. 19 - 138 pages After serving a term for extortion, Callanan has become a generous supporter of Senator Long. At a 1965 ground-breaking ceremony for a new bank, ... Full view http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=m...nG=Search+Books LIFE - Page 25 Magazine - May 29, 1970 - v. 68, no. 20 - 96 pages Mayor AJ Cervantes, who appointed Shenker to lead the drive on crime, ... Attorney Morris Shenker, to head a newly formed Commission on Crime and Law ... Full view - http://books.google.com/books?cd=3&q=s...nG=Search+Books Strange help-Hoffa campaign of the U.S. senator from Missouri - Page 26 Magazine - LIFE - May 26, 1967 - v. 62, no. 21 - 134 pages 21 May 26, 1967 in his long battle to avoid prison, jimmy Hoffa (shown handcuffed ... to spring Hoffa, lawyers William Bufalino (left) and Morris Shenker, LIFE - Page 29 Magazine - May 29, 1970 - v. 68, no. 20 - 96 pages Shenker has been one of James Hoffa's lawyers since 1962, and his chief counsel since 1966. For Shenker, Hoffa has been the key to a $700 million treasure ... Full view Hi Tom, Yea, William Lacy Clay, the St. Louis, Missouri Democrat, also represents the district that includes the military's major records center, where most personnel records are kept, and where there was a suspicious fire that destroyed many of the records. Judge should be forgiven for the wrong middle name, he just got back from NYC where he attended a Peter Dale Scott tribute symposium, and gave a morning lecture on military recruitment in schools before meeting with COPA members on the Sunshine Week lobby effort. As for learning the truth about the JFK Assassination, John Simkin compares it to British secrets, but I take exception to the writer they asked to evaluate the story, as he was not very objective in the past, and I don't think all of the answers are in the still secret files anyway. The secret records contain clues, and names that can lead to witnesses, but they only have to be kept secret until the people named in them are dead. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Bill, No criticism of John Judge was intended. My concern is that Rep. Wm Clay Jr. is positioned to block rather than to let in the light. Watch out for that possibility. It may be that he is under intimidation, rather than being motivated to protect his father's legacy, or simply doing his elected duty and attending to the duties as chair of his subcommittee. Rep. Clay seems derelict because he represents a district at or near important historical crossroads, and having a father with a career initiated by the mob is not an ideal background to inspire trust. He also should have awareness of some or all of the following....and what has he done, so far, to improve on any of it or to attempt to shed light on it? The fire in the military records archives is interesting and we should take a closer look at it. http://www.projo.com/news/content/STOLEN_R...AB.2afd52a.htmlOf art and theft, Rockwell, MLK and Spielberg 12:29 PM EDT on Monday, September 24, 2007 By Richard Salit ...It wasn’t until 2004 that agents with the FBI’s Art Crime Team (ACT) learned from a tipster about the 1988 auction and the sale of the painting a year later. The agency posted a description and photograph of the painting on its Web site. Spielberg’s staff saw it and alerted him that the FBI considered his painting stolen and missing. “Mr. Spielberg’s staff immediately used art market channels to bring the painting’s current location to the FBI’s attention,” the FBI announced in a news release earlier this year that would spark the international media coverage. “Mr. Spielberg purchased the painting in 1989 from a legitimate dealer and did not become aware it was stolen until last week.” WHAT HAPPENED 34 years ago, however, was apparently a great deal more complicated than a simple smash-and-grab. The break-in at Arts International joined a rash of similar crimes. A thief or thieves were targeting art owners in the St. Louis area. The thieves snatched silver statues of Charles Lindbergh from the St. Louis Museum of History and returned to strike Arts International again, stealing seven Rockwell lithographs. The case led the police to focus on “a known police character … who had a reputation for stealing and fencing valuable art and antiques,” according to the FBI. A search warrant executed in 1976 at the St. Louis home of suspect Russell Byers recovered hundreds of thousands of dollars in art and other valuables, including the seven Rockwell lithographs, according to police reports. But missing from the loot was Russian Schoolroom. The police brought charges against Byers. But after two suspects connected to the art theft ring were murdered 1978 and another refused to testify, prosecutors dropped the case, according to the St. Louis Riverfront Times. And curiously, around the same time, Byers had become remarkably useful to powerful federal officials, the alternative newsweekly reported. The reason? He had been offered $50,000 to kill King, the civil-rights leader. Byers’ tale intrigued officials in Washington, even 10 years after King’s assassination in 1968. But Byers wouldn’t talk for fear of incriminating himself. So in 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations granted him immunity. In exchange, Byers testified about a meeting he attended that was arranged by a hotel owner who stashed stolen goods for Byers. Byers’ accomplice introduced him to a lawyer and business associate, John Sutherland, who belonged to the American Independent Party of segregationist Alabama Governor George Wallace and who was a leader of the White Citizens Council of St. Louis. “The three men met in a study that Byers described as decorated with Confederate flags and Civil War memorabilia… ,” reads a report of the House committee, according to the Riverfront Times. “Sutherland was wearing what appeared to Byers to be a Confederate colonel’s hat. After some social conversation, Byers asked Sutherland what he would have to do for the $50,000. Sutherland said he would have to kill, or arrange to have killed, Dr. Martin Luther King. Sutherland told him he belonged to a secret southern organization that had plenty of money. Byers testified that he declined the offer from the two men. But, according to a New York Times article from 1978, the committee found enough circumstantial evidence to believe that the same bounty offered to Byers in St. Louis could possibly have motivated James Earl Ray, who was a prisoner in a nearby Missouri penitentiary (and whose brother, John Ray, led local efforts to elect Wallace president). Ray escaped from the prison a year before King’s death and confessed to killing the minister. Despite recanting later, Ray was convicted at trial. Ten years later, in 1988, a tip about the stolen Rockwell surfaced as the painting was being auctioned off in New Orleans. But an FBI investigation into the matter was stymied when agents were told that the original theft report was missing, according to the Riverfront Times. It wasn’t until last year that the FBI, treating the theft as a cold case, was able to get a copy of the report from the Clayton, Mo., police. Soon the investigation would lead federal agents to Hollywood. JACK SOLOMON, who owned the now-defunct Arts International gallery and was Rockwell’s dealer until the artist’s death in 1978, wants Russian Schoolroom back. He is suing Spielberg in U.S. District Court in Nevada for the return of the painting and unspecified damages. The FBI, which was initially named in the lawsuit, has been dropped from the case.... Conrad "Pete" Baetz was the HSCA investigator who Mark Lane accused of trying to smear him. The article above and this next one make a nation of more than 200 million look more like a much smaller community. This distortion of "coincidences" tends to supports John Simkin's pessimism about solving the crimes of state. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:xSU76m...=clnk&gl=usNovember 28,2007 The assassin’s brother John Larry Ray marks time in Quincy, still trying to set the record straight By C. D. Stelzer ...Within days the FBI entered the case and, weirdly enough, so did an investigator for the defunct congressional committee. At 5:45 p.m. on June 23, 1980, Sgt. Conrad “Pete” Baetz of the Madison County (Ill.) Sheriff’s Department spotted Ray walking along Illinois Route 140 near Alton. “As I remember it, he was wearing a dark-blue leisure suit,” says Baetz, who now lives in Two Rivers, Wis. “It was also hotter than hell that day.” Baetz, on a shopping trip with his wife, turned his car around and passed the sweaty pedestrian again to confirm his identity. He then called the sheriff’s department from a nearby roadhouse. An on-duty officer arrived promptly to assist Baetz in the arrest. The two deputies frisked Ray and found nothing. Later, a Madison County jailer discovered a .38-caliber revolver among the personal items that Ray was toting in a shopping bag when he was arrested. The bag reportedly also contained women’s nylon hosiery and coin-roll wrappers from the Farmers Bank of Liberty. Baetz recognized the suspect so readily because they had crossed paths before. He had interviewed Ray in his capacity as a congressional investigator for the HSCA two years earlier. The Madison County officer had taken a leave of absence from his local law-enforcement duties in 1978 to work for the committee, but the career move turned bad when Baetz came under investigation himself. Former FBI informant Oliver Patterson alleged that the then-congressional investigator had directed him to spy on Jerry Ray, the youngest of the three Ray brothers. The informant also said that he gave false testimony, provided to him by Baetz, to the committee. Patterson revealed his illegal activities at a St. Louis press conference organized by attorney Mark Lane, who then represented James Earl Ray. Though the committee denied any wrongdoing, the press coverage tarnished the reputations of both the HSCA and Baetz. If Baetz feared that his latest brush with fame would stir up questions about his checkered Capitol Hill tenure, he needn’t have worried. The arrest of John Larry Ray grabbed front-page headlines in newspapers in St. Louis, Alton, and Quincy, but none of the accompanying stories mentioned Baetz’s central role in the HSCA scandal two years earlier. The Adams County sheriff arrived in Alton the next morning by chartered plane and flew Ray back to Quincy, where FBI agents dispatched from Indianapolis waited to interrogate him about the shooting of National Urban League president Vernon Jordan in Fort Wayne, Ind., on May 29, 1980 — the day before the Farmers Bank of Liberty robbery. Though the agents publicly discounted Ray as a suspect in the civil-rights leader’s shooting, their boss took a different tack. In a front-page story that appeared in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, FBI director William H. Webster emphasized the similarities between the Jordan shooting and the murder of King — including the possibility that money from bank robberies financed the plots. The FBI chief’s accusations may have been sparked by memories of his early days on the bench. Like Baetz, the nation’s top cop had encountered John Larry Ray previously. As a fledgling federal district judge in St. Louis, Webster had sentenced John Larry Ray to prison for being the wheelman in the 1970 robbery of the Bank of St. Peters (Mo.). In 1978, the HSCA used that single federal conviction as the linchpin for its theory that the Ray brothers were an organized gang of bank robbers. The committee further alleged that James Earl Ray and John Larry Ray robbed the Bank of Alton on July 13, 1967, and used proceeds from that heist to finance James Earl Ray’s travels in the year preceding the King assassination. To buttress its theory, the committee cited other bank robberies that were carried out in a similar fashion, including the 1970 Bank of St. Peters robbery, for which John Larry Ray was convicted, and the 1969 holdup of the Farmers Bank of Liberty, for which he wasn’t even charged. “They all went down in essentially the same way,” Baetz says. “We put James Earl Ray in the area on the day the Alton robbery occurred.” By the time HSCA called him to testify, John Larry Ray was slotted for parole for his 1971 bank-robbery conviction. After he refused to admit involvement in any of the bank robberies, the committee charged him with perjury and federal marshals pulled him out of a halfway house in St. Louis. He spent the next two months in solitary confinement at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Ill., while Justice Department officials tried to decide whether to pursue the charge. In comments to the press, Ray accused the federal prison system, the FBI, and congressional investigators of conspiring to deny his release. Attorney James Lesar, who represented John Larry Ray before the HSCA hearings, objected vehemently to the relevancy of bringing up bank robberies that took place after King was assassinated. The committee repeatedly overruled the objections. “They pretended they were a judicial proceeding despite the fact that it was a totally one-sided presentation of evidence,” says Lesar, a Washington, D.C., lawyer. “They were the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury, all in one ball.” Internal Justice Department memos obtained later by Lesar through the Freedom of Information Act confirmed the HSCA had overreached its authority. Justice Department officials ruled that the committee had improperly slapped the perjury charge on John Larry Ray to force James Earl Ray to testify. The department refused to prosecute the case. Back at the St. Louis halfway house from which he had been yanked, John Larry Ray told the Associated Press on Aug. 24, 1978, that “he would testify about a ‘link’ in the assassination if authorities would permit a nationwide television report about improper judicial action that resulted in his conviction of aiding the robbery of a St. Peters, Mo., bank.” His only co-defendant in the 1971 St. Peters bank-robbery trial had his conviction overturned on a technicality as Ray remained locked up. Now the judge who sentenced him had risen to FBI director. Guilt or innocence mattered little under these circumstances. Nothing would ever shake his belief that he had been set up to take a fall because he was James Earl Ray’s brother.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) Pat,I just doubled checked my facts and I probably stand corrected! I might be confused because I may have inadvertantly combined the "audio" of his interview about his changing the WR wording with the images they were showing simultaneously of the artist's rendering. Thanks. GREG HERE ARE SOME CLIPPINGS... BELOW PHOTO OF FORD GOING THROUGH DEALEY 1976..B Exclusive: Gerald Ford, JFK and the FBI Two members of the Warren Commission were initially not convinced that President John F. Kennedy had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository, according to confidential FBI files released this week to The Post's Joe Stephens. The files detail the inner workings of a secret back channel that Gerald R. Ford, then a Michigan congressman who was one of seven members of the Warren Commission, opened in 1963 to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI. The declassified FBI memos are among scores of documents in the file on President Ford, who died in December 2006. At the request of The Post, the FBI this week released 500 pages of the bureau's voluminous file. Although it has long been known that he secretly spoke with the FBI, the newly obtained, previously classified records detail one visit Ford made to one of Hoover's deputies just three weeks after joining the panel. A December 1963 memo recounts that Ford told FBI Assistant Director Cartha D. DeLoach that two members remained unconvinced that Kennedy had been shot from the sixth floor window of the Texas Book Depository. In addition, three commission members "failed to understand" the trajectory of the slugs, Ford said. Ford told DeLoach that commission discussions would continue and reassured him that those minority points of view on the commission "of course would represent no problem," one internal FBI memo shows. The memo does not name the members involved and does not elaborate on what Ford meant by "no problem." Ford also told DeLoach that Chief Justice Earl Warren, who headed the commission, had told its members that "they should strive to have their hearings completed and the findings made public prior to July 1964, when the Presidential campaigns will begin to get hot. He stated it would be unfair to present the findings after July." They missed their deadline, concluding in a report issued on September 24, 1964, that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination. Much of the material in the overall FBI file on Ford concerns intelligence about his political adversaries when he was president, especially organizations that the bureau thought might disrupt Ford's appearances around the country. But the file also sheds light on the investigation into Kennedy's assassination and the FBI's relationship with Ford, and shows how the bureau strove to curry favor with powerful politicians. Another memo in the file, previously released with Warren Commission materials in 1978, details how Ford approached DeLoach in 1963 and offered to secretly inform the bureau about the inner workings of the then-ongoing Warren Commission investigation. "Ford indicated he would keep me thoroughly advised as to the activities of the Commission," DeLoach wrote. "He stated this would have to be done on a confidential basis, however he thought it should be done." Five days later, DeLoach had a second meeting with Ford and filed another confidential memo. DeLoach recounted that he "carefully" informed Ford that the FBI had released none of its investigative findings to the media. Instead, he said, it looked as though commission members were beginning to leak portions of the FBI report. "I referred to this week's issue of 'Newsweek' magazine which contains a rather clear analysis of the report," DeLoach wrote. "I told Congressman Ford that 'Newsweek' was owned by the 'Washington Post' and that apparently some one was trying to curry favor. I told him we, of course, did not get along very well with either the 'Washington Post' or 'Newsweek.' He [said] that he was in the same boat, that he liked neither one of these publications." The conversation, which has apparently not been previously reported, concluded with Ford saying he would like to take a confidential FBI report on the assassination with him on a family ski trip to Michigan. DeLoach offer to loan him an "Agent briefcase" with a lock, so Ford could safeguard the document. Elsewhere in the FBI file on Ford, records show that as a young man, in 1942, Ford had applied to become an FBI agent. A background check at the time was favorable, the file says, "except for information that he was an isolationist and active in organizing an American First committee while at Yale University." Ford later withdrew his application. In 1965, Ford asked FBI technicians to check the phone line at his home in Northern Virginia for tampering; they found none. In another instance, Ford asked the FBI to look into the background of his personal maid; she came up clean. The FBI file shows Hoover routinely tried to ingratiate himself with Ford by sending him personal notes -- congratulating Ford on his re-election or his winning of an award, offering condolences on the death of Ford's parents, thanking Ford for saying nice things about the bureau on the floor of Congress. There are repeated references in the file to Ford having "enjoyed cordial relations" with the bureau, and notes pointing out that the FBI had named Ford to the bureau's "Special Correspondents List." One memo notes: "Though we did experience some difficulty with all the members of the Warren Commission, Ford was of considerable help." It points out Ford once requested an 8-by-10-inch photograph of Hoover, although its intended use was unknown. The intensity with which Hoover's FBI sought to gain favor with those who could later be of use is made clear in one memo written by a subordinate in 1963. "In view of Congressman Ford's friendly attitude toward the FBI, and the fact that he is a member of the House Appropriations Committee and will probably be reappointed to this Committee in the next session of Congress, it is felt he should be presented a copy of the Director's new book, 'A Study of Communism.' The House Appropriations Committee, of course, is very important to us, and it is felt such a gesture would be very beneficial in connection with our Hill contact program." Before presenting the book to Ford, the file shows, Hoover autographed it. In 1964, Ford and his wife, Betty, attended a party at DeLoach's home. The next morning, Hoover followed up with an obsequious note, delivered by special messenger: "My dear Congressman: I want to let you know how much I enjoyed talking to Mrs. Ford and you during the party at DeLoach's home last night. Particularly, I was very pleased to discuss in this informal manner some vital issues of interest to you as well as the FBI. Let me say that I found your observations to be both helpful and germane. It is always encouraging to know that we have alert, vigorous Congressmen, such as you, who are aware of the needs and problems confronting our country, and I wish you every success in meeting your grave responsibilities. Whenever you have an opportunity, I would be happy to have Mrs. Ford and you drop by FBI Headquarters for a special tour of our facilities, and of course, I would like you to feel free to call on me any time our help is needed or when we can be of service. With kind personal regards, Sincerely yours, J. Edgar Hoover." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingto...rald_fords.html Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) INVESTIGATIVE REPORT GERALD FORD AND THE W/C b http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingto...rald_fords.html Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction, by George Michael Evica http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=33 Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...S/JFK/ford.html Gerald Ford forced to admit the Warren Report fictionalized -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cited under "fair use". By MIKE FEINSILBER The Associated Press b http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/ford.html http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8920 BELOW SIGNING NIXON'S PARDON AND ALSO WITH CHANY AND RUMSFELD BELOW DOCUMENT MARINA DID EVENTUALLY RECEIVE THE MONEY FROM FORD SELLING LHO'S DIARY ILLEGALLY... Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) SOME ON ROBERT OSWALD...b MAGGIES DRAWERS....... http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/MAGGIE.TXT MAGGIE'S DRAWERS The Marksmanship of Lee Harvey Oswald [Commentary and editing by Alan Rogers] What follows are selections from three sources on the shooting ability of LHO. The criteria used for selection is focused on those who had first hand accounts of seeing Lee Harvey Oswald shooting a weapon, eschewing those who had much to say about the subject but had never met Oswald. The first comes from LHO's brother, Robert. His book shows generally what Robert's observations and opinions were on the subject. In the 1990's, Robert has appeared on a few documentaries in where the clips have him saying that he believes his brother could have accomplished the shooting. Since this was certainly not what he said in his book, it seems that he has succumbed to the same process that influenced many witnesses to the event. That process bombards the witness with so much opinion and conjecture, year after year, that their memory is forever tainted and now cannot be unentangled from what they have considered in the intervening years. Using Posner's principle of taking the earlier utterances of the witness as more firmly grounded, Robert's book predates these on camera interviews by two plus decades. In his book, Robert talks about LHO's quick reflexes and hidden strength, but as seen in the selection, he still cannot escape admitting that LHO was awkward in shooting at moving targets when they went field hunting as children. It should also be noted that Robert was not surprised in the least that LHO shot so poorly in his Marine career and doesn't shirk from describing him as a mediocre shooter. Because someone has a history of hunting from an early age, it is not automatically mandated that he was a proficient shooter. http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/MAGGIE.TXT Representative Boggs: Have you in your own mind reached any conclusions on whether or not your brother killed President Kennedy? Mr. Oswald: Based on the circumstantial evidence that has been reported in newspapers and over the radio and television, I would have to say that it appears that he did kill President Kennedy. Representative Boggs: Would you, having reached that conclusion under the circumstances that you outlined a moment ago, and having known him all of his life, although not too intimately the last year of his life, would you give us any reason for why he may have done this? Mr. Oswald: No, sir: I could not. Representative Boggs: It came as, I would think, a great shock to you? Mr. Oswald: Yes, sir; it certainly did, and I might add that the Lee Harvey Oswald that I knew would not have killed anybody. BELOW ROBERT IS WITH HIS WIFE VADA AND DAUGHTER KATHY...WITH TOP COAT I BELIEVE COMING OUT OF THE W/C HEARINGS...b Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Baker Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Robert is convinced that his kid brother killed the President. Paul. Seems nobody has told you, Paul, so I will let you in on a secret. OPINIONS ARE NOT EVIDENCE. If Robert Oswald changes his opinion tomorrow, and decides that the assassins were Howard Hunt & Co (and not his brother Lee) will that prove to you that Lee Oswald was innocent? No, of course not. Why are people so defensive around here? Did I say that I believe LHO is guilty and acted alone because his brother said so? No. I mentioned Robert's words in the context of motive. I believe that LHO is guilty and acted alone, because all of the physical evidence points at him, and him only. Where's your physical evidence, Raymond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Baker Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 In this case, you assume Oswald's trying to kill Walker indicates he'd try and kill Kennedy. This is a non-sequitur. Pat, I have to disagree. Irrespective of motivation, the Walker incident demonstrates that Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of murder. I've seen just a single interview with Robert Oswald, the one I mentioned. I wish I hadn't mentioned it! All was thinking about was motivation, and Robert gave some insights into the working of Lee's mind (as did others in the same programme). I was ignorant of these other things he's said (thanks to those who posted them, very interesting). Regardless of what the man thinks though, the physical evidence speaks for itself. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Pat, I have to disagree. Irrespective of motivation, the Walker incident demonstrates that Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of murder.I've seen just a single interview with Robert Oswald, the one I mentioned. I wish I hadn't mentioned it! All was thinking about was motivation, and Robert gave some insights into the working of Lee's mind (as did others in the same programme). I was ignorant of these other things he's said (thanks to those who posted them, very interesting). Regardless of what the man thinks though, the physical evidence speaks for itself. Paul, I prepared this post before Bernice posted Robert Oswald's WC testimony and your response. I'll go ahead and post it anyway. I'm sure you've seen the documentary, Beyond Consipiracy, in which Robert Oswald gives us a useful insight into his brother's personality. Robert is convinced that his kid brother killed the President, and acted alone. That's about as close to the horse's mouth we can get, thanks to one Mr Rubenstein. It is "the so-called evidence" and not Lee Oswald's personality that has convinced Robert Oswald over the years that his brother is guilty of murdering President Kennedy and that he acted alone. In that documentary Robert Oswald stated that it "is my belief, my conviction no one but Lee was involved." This is an entirely separate issue from his claim that if he had the "facts" that Lee was innocent, he would be "out there shouting it loud and clear." Robert Oswald is in no better position than the rest of us to know if anyone else other than his brother was "involved." Later in the same documentary he says, "You've got to come all the way from childhood on up, especially that last year of his life (emphasis mine) and understand what transpired in his life...." Until he visited Lee Oswald in jail on November 23, 1963, it had been a full year since Robert had seen his brother. In his testimony before the Warren Commission, Robert Oswald told Hale Boggs: BOGGS: Would you, having reached that conclusion under the circumstances that you outlined a moment ago, and having known him all of his life, although not too intimately the last year of his life, would you give us any reason for why he may have done this? Mr. OSWALD. No, sir: I could not. BOGGS: It came as, I would think, a great shock to you? Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir; it certainly did, and I might add that the Lee Harvey Oswald that I knew would not have killed anybody. What Robert Oswald told PBS Frontline in 1993 seems to coincide exactly with what Paul Baker believes is true: Question: What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? I mean, you're his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. "I think that's an understatement. ... I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. This is mind over heart. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. But the facts are there. ... What do you do with his rifle? What do you do with his pistol? What do you do with his general opportunity? What do you do with his actions? To me, you can't reach but one conclusion. There's hard physical evidence there. True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but ... his presence in the building was there. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. Five or six eyewitnesses there. You can't set that aside just because he is saying, "I'm a patsy." I'd love to do that, but you cannot. ... He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. He would talk about anything else. He had the presence of mind then to do that. [To those who say,] "He didn't own a rifle." We know he owned a rifle. You've got all kinds of documented evidence. They've gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. You've got the backyard picture. They've got the original negative. They've got the camera. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. Consequently, people left it wide open. It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enough's enough. It's there; put it to rest." When one looks at the evidence it is clear that, as adults, Robert and Lee Oswald were not close at all despite the fact that they were brothers. And finally from a post by Tony Austin, reviewing Beyond Conspiracy: "Robert Oswald appeared to give his own views on the life of his brother Lee Harvey Oswald. We were told that Robert was the person that knew him best. In fact Robert was 6 years older than Lee and he left home before Lee's 13th birthday. You could argue that the person who knew Lee best was his wife Marina. However, in recent years Marina has said that she now believes that Lee Harvey Oswald was completely innocent regarding the assassination of Kennedy. Is this why his brother Robert was chosen by this programme rather than his wife? ......Buell Wesley Frazier, who regularly drove Oswald to work at the Book Depository, said of him: "The individual that I know as Lee Harvey Oswald I don't think had it in him to be a person capable of committing such a crime as murdering the President of the United States. I'll always believe that. The side I saw of him was a very kind and loving man, and that's the way I like to remember him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) THANKS MIKE GOOD POST I DID NOT MEAN TO MUCK UP YOURS IN ANYWAY , NOW BOTH ARE THERE...FWTAW...TAKE CARE..B Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 THANKS MIKE GOOD POST I DID NOT MEAN TO MUCK UP YOURS IN ANYWAY , NOW BOTH ARE THERE...FWTAW...TAKE CARE..B Hey Bernice, Thanks for the clips above. GO_SECURE monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 (edited) your welcome...stay well.......b Edited March 16, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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