Was JFK trying to cough up a bullet ?

[Gil Jesus]

Recently, I have had more time to spend on a theory I had opined some time back ( I think it was in 2003 or 2004) that a bullet hit JFK in the throat from the front and he had tried to cough it up before the head shots got him.

After reviewing the Zapruder film more closely, I am more convinced today than ever, that this was the case.

I believe that a bullet entered his throat from the front and was lodged in it. Zapruder frames 225-237 show Kennedy pulling his tie away with his left hand and cupping his right hand over his mouth. He then moves his head FORWARD, a normal reaction when one is trying to dislodge something caught in the throat from a seated position.

He only does this once, then starts to slowly slump forward and to his left.

You can see for yourself at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3uH7FHjCeQ

Some time ago, I thought that he was trying to push the bullet in with the thumb of the left hand while trying to cough it up. But upon closer observation, it appears that his left hand was pulling his tie towards Jackie.

At no time did I ever remotely suggest that he was "trying to dig it out with his thumb", as asserted by the LN idiots on alt.conspiracy.jfk.

I challenged them to cite my posting that said such nonsense. They could not.

It is obvious, however, that his right hand is cupped over his mouth, again a normal gesture for someone trying to dislodge something from his/her throat.

There are several significances of this observation.

Firstly, if there was a bullet lodged in the throat, it would once and for all destroy the Single Bullet Theory, for if a bullet was lodged in the throat, it could not have been the bullet that hit Governor Connally.

Secondly, if it were lodged in the throat, then the only bullet wound in the throat HAD to have been an entry wound, unless of course, the President tried to swallow a bullet sometime during the 9/10ths of a second he was behind the Stemmons Freeway sign.

Thirdly, if a bullet had been lodged in the throat, it would explain why there was no exit wound, why the throat wound was enlarged after the body left Dallas (to remove a bullet that had not visually exited), and would verify ALL of the Parkland witnesses' descriptions of the throat wound as a wound of entry.

Finally, and probably the most significant result of this observation is that if there was a bullet lodged in the President's throat, it had to have been fired from the front, which means a second shooter and a conspiracy.

[Michael G. Smith]

Recently, I have had more time to spend on a theory I had opined some time back ( I think it was in 2003 or 2004) that a bullet hit JFK in the throat from the front and he had tried to cough it up before the head shots got him.

After reviewing the Zapruder film more closely, I am more convinced today than ever, that this was the case.

I believe that a bullet entered his throat from the front and was lodged in it. Zapruder frames 225-237 show Kennedy pulling his tie away with his left hand and cupping his right hand over his mouth. He then moves his head FORWARD, a normal reaction when one is trying to dislodge something caught in the throat from a seated position.

He only does this once, then starts to slowly slump forward and to his left.

You can see for yourself at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3uH7FHjCeQ

Some time ago, I thought that he was trying to push the bullet in with the thumb of the left hand while trying to cough it up. But upon closer observation, it appears that his left hand was pulling his tie towards Jackie.

At no time did I ever remotely suggest that he was "trying to dig it out with his thumb", as asserted by the LN idiots on alt.conspiracy.jfk.

I challenged them to cite my posting that said such nonsense. They could not.

It is obvious, however, that his right hand is cupped over his mouth, again a normal gesture for someone trying to dislodge something from his/her throat.

There are several significances of this observation.

Firstly, if there was a bullet lodged in the throat, it would once and for all destroy the Single Bullet Theory, for if a bullet was lodged in the throat, it could not have been the bullet that hit Governor Connally.

Secondly, if it were lodged in the throat, then the only bullet wound in the throat HAD to have been an entry wound, unless of course, the President tried to swallow a bullet sometime during the 9/10ths of a second he was behind the Stemmons Freeway sign.

Thirdly, if a bullet had been lodged in the throat, it would explain why there was no exit wound, why the throat wound was enlarged after the body left Dallas (to remove a bullet that had not visually exited), and would verify ALL of the Parkland witnesses' descriptions of the throat wound as a wound of entry.

Finally, and probably the most significant result of this observation is that if there was a bullet lodged in the President's throat, it had to have been fired from the front, which means a second shooter and a conspiracy.

Gil, great post. I believe he was hit as you do, and was reacting the way he did, I would assume, as anyone would after being hit in the troat by a supposed bullet. [ I surely wouldnt know as Ive never had it happen to me] But I beleive he was reacting that way because of the hit in the throat, and I beleive they did remove it, if I am correct, there was a signed "recieved from" receipt for a "missle" from one of the Agencies. I dont beleive the damage done on his throat was from the removal, but to "hide the obvious entrance wound" that was described by the doctors at Parkland. It all makes sense when you think about it, as he wasnt hit anywhere near it in the back to be the "exit " wound, and the doctors described it as an entrance wound, as they had probably seen huundreds of them at the Parkland emergency room over the years. So it only goes to show, and prove, there had to be the "second "gunman, to throw the SB Theory out the window from the very start! Just my opinion FWIW.

thanks-smitty

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

Assuming JFK had been hit in the 'throat' by a bullet would he have been able even

to cough? Surely the bullet would have destroyed the pharynx cavity into which

the nose,mouth, gullet and larynx all open. The vital organs which allow

for speech, swallowing and coughing would have been destroyed or at least impaired.

You are also assuming that the bullet would have been capable

of being coughed up or out. Bullets rarely,IMO, miraculously

plop into a 'cough-upable' position.

However, given the history of the

famous 'magic bullet' bullets were behaving very strangely

in Dealey Plaza on 22nd November 1963.

So, anything is possible.

EBC

[Gil Jesus]

Assuming JFK had been hit in the 'throat' by a bullet would he have been able even

to cough? Surely the bullet would have destroyed the pharynx cavity into which

the nose,mouth, gullet and larynx all open. The vital organs which allow

for speech, swallowing and coughing would have been destroyed or at least impaired.

You are also assuming that the bullet would have been capable

of being coughed up or out. Bullets rarely,IMO, miraculously

plop into a 'cough-upable' position.

Thank You for responding, but I am not assuming anything. I am stating an opinion based on what I see in the Zapruder film, frames 224-237. I've posted by observations here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3uH7FHjCeQ

If you have time to view the frames yourself, might I suggest you do so. For those who disagree with my observations, I'd be interested in opinions as to what JFK is doing in these frames. I agree with you that there probably would have been substantial damage to the throat, but that doesn't mean that Kennedy would not have TRIED to cough it up, as he is appears to be doing in the Z film.

The logical response to an obstructed airway is for the sufferer to attempt to clear it himself. I know when I start to choke, I don't think about whether or not I can cough, I'm just trying to get whatever it is that's caught in my throat, clear.

This is what I see in the Zapruder film. A man trying to clear an obstruction.

[Mark Johansson]

Assuming JFK had been hit in the 'throat' by a bullet would he have been able even

to cough? Surely the bullet would have destroyed the pharynx cavity into which

the nose,mouth, gullet and larynx all open. The vital organs which allow

for speech, swallowing and coughing would have been destroyed or at least impaired.

You are also assuming that the bullet would have been capable

of being coughed up or out. Bullets rarely,IMO, miraculously

plop into a 'cough-upable' position.

However, given the history of the

famous 'magic bullet' bullets were behaving very strangely

in Dealey Plaza on 22nd November 1963.

So, anything is possible.

EBC

I don’t know if this is useful, but according to Jim Marrs, Greer was almost positive he heard JFK talk after shots had been fired.

Johansson

[Gil Jesus]

Mark. I've heard those accounts also.

I've made a new version of my video with slow motion added for anyone interested.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DSov5IA4N8A

[Chris Davidson]

Gil,

youtube was a bit pixelated.

Here's another version if it helps.

chris

[Kathleen Collins]

I don’t know if this is useful, but according to Jim Marrs, Greer was almost positive he heard JFK talk after shots had been fired.

Johansson

Greer was in on it. He heard shooting, stopped the car and looked back at Kennedy, who was struggling with his throat. Kennedy got hit in the head from the front-right and Greer took off.

I believe in Secret Service complicity.

Kathy

[Kathleen Collins]

Gil,

youtube was a bit pixelated.

Here's another version if it helps.

chris

Chris, where did you get that version of the Z-film from? It's so clear.

Kathy

[Mark Johansson]

I don’t know if this is useful, but according to Jim Marrs, Greer was almost positive he heard JFK talk after shots had been fired.

Johansson

Greer was in on it. He heard shooting, stopped the car and looked back at Kennedy, who was struggling with his throat. Kennedy got hit in the head from the front-right and Greer took off.

I believe in Secret Service complicity.

Kathy

He could have been, although I think he merely was stunned by the whole thing and firstly didn’t release that shots had been fired, and more or less acted by lack of common sense.

Johansson

[Wim Dankbaar]

Gil,

I love your work in general, but here you're on the wrong track. It's almost an impossible task to convince the JFK research community that JFK was not shot in the throat from the front. This is a smilar problem as for those who discoverd the world was round and had to convince the public of that.

But if you want me to give it a try, let me know.

Wim

[Peter McGuire]

Johansson

Greer was in on it. He heard shooting, stopped the car and looked back at Kennedy, who was struggling with his throat. Kennedy got hit in the head from the front-right and Greer took off.

I believe in Secret Service complicity.

Kathy

That is my firm belief, also. Greer could have sped away and Kellerman could have done something besides turn back and look. Both Greer and Kellerman just LOOKED!

There has always been some nonsense talk about what Greer heard or what Kennedy supposedly said. I have seen it spun both ways. The problem is , there is no reason to believe anything that Greer or Kellerman testified. And IF, Kennedy could have spoken, he would have said " get out of here" or "take me to a hospital". That order would have been hard to refuse from the Commander in Chief. But, Kennedy said nothing. He wasn't able to say anything. I am sure he was thinking " what in the world are you two guys doing?"

[Guest Eugene B. Connolly]

This is what I see in the Zapruder film. A man trying to clear an obstruction.

Is it an 'obstruction' or a bullet?

If it is an obstruction then what kind of an obstruction?

IMO if it is an obstruction it is most likely to be phlegm or something similar -

certainly not a bullet. As I wrote in my previous post IMO JFK was incapable of

coughing, swallowing or clearing an obstruction etc., etc.

Shooting someone in the throat and waiting for

them to cough up the bullet is roughly analogous

to shooting someone in the ass and

expecting them to xxxx the bullet.

I looked at your video but unfortunately it only ran a few seconds.

There was nothing of the throat shot to JFK on it.

I agree with Peter McGuire above. President Kennedy,

if he was conscious, was thinking something like:

"Oh dear! I am in a bit of a pickle here, you silly silly people!

My goodness! What are you waiting for?

Could you possibly go faster?!

I don't want to impose on you or anything like that.

I really would appreciate it.

If it's not too much bother.....

Surely you can see what is happening?

So, when you're ready, please.

Thank you in anticipation."

EBC

Edited March 9, 2007 by Eugene B. Connolly
offensive language

[Gil Jesus]

Kathy:

I am very much in agreement with you on the point of SS complicity.

On the night before the assassination, the SS removed the motorcycle escorts from the side of the President's limousine. The Dallas PD had originally put four motorcycles on each side of the limo, but SS agent Winston Lawson reduced them to two and moved them to the rear fenders of the car. This alteration of the escort could only have been to allow shooters an unobstructed view of the President and to remove the motorcycle officers from the line of fire.

On the morning of the assassination, after Air Force One had landed at Love Field and while the Kennedys walked along the fence shaking hands, General Godfrey McHugh, who was supposed to ride in the front seat of the limo between the Secret Service men, was advised by the SS that he would be riding in a car further back in the motorcade.

These acts came at a time when the SS were hearing very strong "rumors" that an assassination attempt would be made against Kennedy in Dallas. The agents who were travelling with Kennedy in San Antonio the day before the assassination had heard them. Marty Underwood even expressed his concern to JFK himself, but Kennedy just laughed it off.

The stripping away of the President's protection at a time when the threats to his life were increasing and especially in a "hot" (hostile) city like Dallas was in 1963, is tantamount to a criminal offense.

Not only did his agents spend the night "celebrating" his upcoming death the night before in a Fort Worth bar called "The Cellar", when the shooting did occur, they did NOTHING to protect him.

Greer even slowed the car down and looked back at Kennedy. He didn't speed up until he was sure JFK was at least mortally wounded. One agent left the running board ( I think it was Landis, not sure) of the SS car, but Emory Roberts told him to get back on the car.

What's even more appalling is that no one was ever reprimanded for those failures that cost John F. Kennedy his life.

[Charles Black]

Gil

I appreciate your originality, but I don't think that even in the Guiness Records has anyone ever been shot in the throat and spit out a bullet.

As I have expressed before....I see a normal choking reaction, very similar to what I have seen on several ocassions when my childen or grandchildren temporarily choked while being spoon fed in their high chairs. They do not grasp their throat as this would further choke them. Both arms are lifted instantly to a position in front of their face or throat as they simultaneously emit a choking cough. Often when there arms are raised, their fists are closed but turned outward away from their throats.

I do not deny that I personally feel that JFK was struck in the anterior throat my a missile of some sort, possibly a small caliber bullet, but I feel that his reaction is the result of being struck in the throat....not spitting out a bullet.

Charlie Black