William Plumlee

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When it is said that a shooter on the south knoll would be seen, then how could a shooter at the picket fence not been seen? You had people on the overpass, not more that twenty-five yards and you had people in front of the north knoll shooter, and others a few feet to the right of the shooter (if your facing west) Some of these people were no more than ten feet from the picket fence and the shooter standing in front of him. That would be the worst place for a sniper, because he had put himself between people looking basicly toward his direction, (the overpass) even if he was behind a fence, it would be risky. If we say this was a really planned tight execution that has not been figured out in all these years and so much trouble went into the cover up.., then why was a shooter put there... stupid I say. When you go to the Plaza try this. Go down to the south side of the rail road tracks and yell as loud as you can in the direction of the kill zone.., and watch the people in the plaza first look toward the the north side of the rail road tracks, then toward you. I think you will find that interesting. But I am no expert.

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Thanks James: I apreciate the information and dates...

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Tim, Tosh, or James Richards, Does anyone have a date stating as to when this picture was taken? Thanks, Terry <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Terry: Not sure this will help. I think it will show it was taken a few years after the assassination and before the Hertz sign was removed form the Trexas School Dep... Compare the south knoll picture taken seconds after the assassination and look at the "tree shadows" of the small trees that lined the south parking lot. notice where the shadows of the lager trees fall on the knoll and at the egge of the street. The small trees are much larger and the larger trees are much taller in the ovetrhead. The south knoll picture was taken at the time of the shooting. The overhead was also taken around noon, but not that day; because the shadows are poniting the same direction as the south photo of 63. The shadows are much larger in the overhead.. I would harzard to guess the overhead was taken about four or fives years later than 1963. (1968) However, this is only a guess. Tosh

Tim draw a line starting from the middle of the RR tracks to the kill zone, starting at the right edge of the underpass and the tree. What do you have? Where was the President in this line of fire? What does it look like west of that area across the RR tracks. Remember this is a later photo and some of the tracks have been removed. ... Tosh <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Tim: I apreciate that. I am not sure if some of the tracks were removed it the time of this photo or not.. also keep in mind that the tracks are above the south parking lot... you can walk along the tracks for (south) about thirty yards before the kill zone can no longer be seen. Any further that this would put Jackie in the line of fire and would be a low shot across the tracks.

Tim draw a line starting from the middle of the RR tracks to the kill zone, starting at the right edge of the underpass and the tree. What do you have? Where was the President in this line of fire? What does it look like west of that area across the RR tracks. Remember this is a later photo and some of the tracks have been removed. ... Tosh

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I have said that nobody was on the bridge at the time the President came into the zone. I do remember that there were people above the President on the north side on the underpass, on the bridge, about six or seven as the Limo passed under. I remember Sergio and I questioned that. "... there were people above the president on the bridge after he had been shot...". (de-briefing West Palm Beach Florida to Rex Beardsley and Bob Bennette and Tracy Barns, report of debriefing transmitted to field HQ, Miami to Bill Harvery, JMWAVE HQ., November 25, 1963) Miami Desk Miami Florida) The FBI told me in Denver at a latter datem ( Feb 1964) that I was wrong. They said. "That area above the bridge had been cleared of people before the President came into the Plaza. Nobody was on the bridge. That area had been cleared by the Secret Service before the President got to the Plaza. Why do you insist on incerting yourself into this? You know giving false (FAG) information to a Federal officer can keep you in this jail for a very long time?" (ref; Scott Warner, SAC interview at Denver County Jail Feb. 1964) "FAG" charge. "False Information to Government officials". However, I do know that the South side of the underpass was cleared and nobody was there. The north side is another matter. I have questioned over the years photos of this area and of the people on the underpass. One set of prints shows nobody there... another set before the limo came into the zone shows people on the bridge and another six seconds after the fatal shot does not show anyone on the south side or above the President as he and the Limo crossed under. I remember a man leaning over the back of the Limo and notice that people were on the bridge above the limo as it past under. That was just before we reached the man in the pickup truck. Sergio and I were in shock for a few seconds before we started walking away toward the underpass. Most of the people on the north side of the "Tripple Underpass" crossed over the bridge and watched the Limo head for Parkland. note: It has been said that a south knoll shot would put Jackie and the Texas Gov. in the path and a shot could not have come from the south side of the Plaza. I might point out the slight curve to the southwest at the point of impact about four or five degrees just before it makes a more of a turn, about ten or twenty degrees) before reaching the underpass. If you draw a line and the Limo is even with Main, then the line would rule out a south shot, but turn the limo five degrees to the left (south) and what do you have? A second or two and.., "An open window for a clean shot"...: Check it out. Thank you Tosh.

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I think I have cover this years ago about the Dallas Cubans and the "Safe House" in Oak Cliff, and Lee's connections. There is a picture of Veciana and me in his office in Miami 1991 and some of these things about Dallas we talked about, But Toney was very reluctant to talk about any of the details... Ask Jum Marrs, because he was with me in Miami when these meetings with Narzaro Sargen and Veciana took place. ....from the post above... ..."“We came across various reports of persons that intended to place a group of Cubans in Dallas on November 18, 1963, including Pedro Luis Díaz Lanz, the Novo Sampol brothers, Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, Virgilio Paz, Antonio Veciana and others.” Antonio Veciana’s organization was already in place in Dallas before Kennedy’s assassination, Fabián Escalante noted: “That was perfectly demonstrated. In other words, Antonio Veciana’s group was organizing in an unusual way in Dallas and his office was located in a house that, according to the Dallas sheriff – this isn’t what I’m saying, it’s what he said – Lee Harvey Oswald was seen entering¼How strange! What a coincidence!” At that time, Dallas was a gunrunning center for the Italian mafia who purchased weapons from the U.S. Army and resold them to Cuban groups. “And Dallas, together with New Orleans and Miami, were the cities that made up the axis of all the trafficking of weapons and illegal explosives.”

This is true not only for Google, I find the same problem when I use Altavista or Yahoo search engines. However, I am more successful when I type in "Bernardo de Torres Spartacus". This is when his name ranks first at least on Yahoo. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I also had the same problem with Google and other Search Engines when I started my website 'Toshplumlee.com in 2000. Some of the FBI documents and other information and explanations about John Rosellie and Cuban operations were deleted or cut out of the body of the work. Some of the names I used on the website were also cut out and not posted. (Tracy Barns, Morales, Robert Benette, and others I can not remember now. I contacked them about this and they said they would look into it. I never heard from them again, I also contacted the person who I paid to set up the website and was told it takes time to get it in the system. This was about the time that it was said that I was going "...to be grilled like a cheap hamberger..." by experts within the research comunity. I think Peter Dale Scott was one of the experts this person was refering to. I took the website down after one year because changes I requested on the site were not being made and material posted were being slanted, incerted, and linked to other sites of which I had not approved. hope this helps Tosh

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I'm sure it was hard on everyone involved in those operations from the JCS as well as the Oval Office. Another project you reminded me about when you mention other OPs going on in the Dominican Republic and Hati. Do you remember when we talked about "Lester Murphy" and the doctor who was kidnapped and flown from the Dominican Republic to New York? The aircraft a twin beach D-18 of which I think I might have mention your father or Sherry's father might have flown with Alex Rouke in the Florida Keys. The aircraft at one time belong to "Steave Guthrie" a associate of John Pasily (?). The story is recorded in the old Life Magazine about 1958, I think "Galandez (?)"/ "Lester Murphy" Galandez I think was the kidnapped person who was taken to NY at the request of the CIA. Well anyway, I find it strange that John Paisely, who was killed in the Cheespeak Bay boating "accident" who was weighted down with chains and found in the Bay with a bullit in the head commited suicide... I think the background of this OPS can be found in that life article. I think I sent you a copy a few years ago, or maybe it was Sherry. The aircraft ID I think was N6800, but not sure today. There is a picture of it with its NC number in the article. Its interesting as to who it was register two "Atlantic Richfield" "Mid States Aviation". and "Southwest Airmotive", Dallas Love Field. Anyway if you like and you can find that information in your files it would lead into the Liza Howard material of 1962-63 and her murder and her trips from NY to Florida... OH yes. shortly after "Galandiz" was taken to NY. Lester Murphy was reported missing and has never been found... another CIA mystery... one of many... still that one is like the Rosellie mystery... neither crime has been solved as well as John A Pasiley murder (?) Three possible murders. never really investigated... Interesting.. Right?

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