Shanet Clark

Diebold new generation electoral devices.

Encryption keys easily hacked and poorly secured.

Less than 100,000 OHIO VOTES 2004 /

Bush re elected. Commander in chief during wartime, with

expansive views of executive prerogatives and a wire in his ear.

If Florida 2000 was fishy ,

then Ohio 2004 was rank catfish in an old junked refrigerator.

To John Dolva:

Many Forum readers will agree that this is a very powerful and succinct thread

and I thank you for your research into this.

These questions about General Ed Walker form real core consensus for us in the same

way the Eladio del Valle /DeTorres /Martinez/ Sturgis/ Barker/Hunt tactical team form a strong

set of theoretical problems and beliefs.

Sounds like a wild program to overthrow under color of law, a palace manipulation for power.

When Lee and Harvey Oswald cross paths with the provocative traitor/martyr

and division general Edwin Walker -----------------------------------------------------JFK 11/63

The FRAME was hit I believe, of ED WALKER's window I understand.

Edwin Walker was a sponsor and he had sponsors and he was a veteran of false games,

and the charges tie in with some members' theories and beliefs.

Great assistance in keeping us focused and

a GREAT JFK THREAD.

I would like to see more photos of Lee and Harvey Oswald smiling,

to compare them with the exhumed XRAY on the related thread

Yes they look like the ones. I thought Marina had not wanted any of them released. Or am I wrong?

The same photos and many more were published in the Norton Report.

Here is another, with life comparisons.

Jack

Jack

I see that the XRAY corresponds to the photo so we can focus on the XRAY

The relation between the left second incisor and the canine show that the teeth match

the photo at right, the full faced HARVEY while the left photo LEE is a teenager without

an incisor, so the XRAY and exhumation photo do not match LEE but match HARVEY

very interesting

Readers need to remember that during the height of the COLD WAR

counter intelligence programs, false defections, sleepers and "lost" assassins were all

standard operating procedure, and program with two people sharing a name, one of

which is sent into USSR and another held in the States, with a false "lost" assassin

in the plot is not far fetched at all, orchid men, manchurian candidates and counter

defectors were WELL FUNDED SECRET PROGRAMS of the INTELLIGENCE

and EXECUTIVE structures ........

The missing tooth in Life magazine.

Jack

Jack and members:

I just had a graduate level Human Anthropology seminar

and when

an adolescent of this age loses a tooth like the

young man in this picture has-

IT DON"T JUST GROW BACK

best wishes

shanet

Robin

Are these consecutive frames?

If they are, agent Hill is moving unusually fast

and is also quite elevated up above the hood.

Did he go from chasing the bumper to hovering over Jackie's head in an instant ??

Thanks

I talk to Alan Rhodes by telephone several months ago and proivded some interesting insight following the assassination. (John Woods)

Hi John,

Nice to see you posting. Probably showing my ignorance here, but can I ask who Alan Rhodes is?

James

It only resembles the tramps situation in the resolution version I saw.

What other arrest does it more closely resemble?

Who is in the foreground? Jim Hicks?

Just before his death Barry Seal was asked by his close friend, Rene Martin, if he feared being killed by the Ochoa family, the Colombians he was working for (Seal had made it clear that as a result of an IRS investigation that he was willing to name names). Barry Seal replied that he was not afraid of the Colombians because he had told Ochoa he intended to testify against the US government. This is supported by Lewis Unglesby, Seal’s lawyer. He confirmed that the man Seal was going to testify against was George H. W. Bush.

There was apparently another reason why George Bush wanted Seal dead. According to friends, Seal had a copy of a videotape of a 1985 DEA cocaine sting which had netted George Bush's two sons, George and Jeb, picking up kilos of cocaine at a Florida airport.

The Bush Regime is set to run this country for years and years.

Anyone who is able to bring these people to justice, and expresses a willingness to do so, will wind up dead.

Our military has been sent to another country at least once, by the Bush family, to clean up evidence linking a Bush to drug operations.

Remember Noriega in Panama? he thought he could threaten Bush from the safety of his country.. boy was he wrong. His country was invaded, all evidence implicating Bush was collected, and Noriega ends up doing the time Bush should have been doing.

There is no court in the world that can tell the U.S. what it can, and can not, do. That is a pity. So long as might makes right, this world will continue be a cesspool of human misery.

The haves will continue to kill to keep what they have, and, the have nots will continue to be victimized as a result of this willingness to exchange human life for creature comforts.

Until the American public pulls it's collective head out of it's rear-end...there will be no relief in sight.

This is a depressing time in American history.

Chuck

John

As Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush had himself appointed head of a Florida coastal drug interdiction task force. He is accused of micro managing this authority on certain evenings ......

but if the friends of Barry Seal are correct, then BUSH SENIOR's South Florida Drug Interdiction Task Force

really paid off, much to the voters taxpayers and workers of Texas Florida and the United States

expense IT WOULD NOT SUPRISE ME ////////////////

Hidell, Lambert, Diaz and Ferrie.

David Ferrie, Pedro Diaz Lanz and Oswald or an Oswald ringer.

Lambert may have been Clay Shaw

or even Johnnie Roselli ???

(Marita Lorenz's testimony was central to the Howard Hunt / Mark Lane litigation)

This is an airborne special hit team with mob and CIA sponsors, similar to the

flights and drives into Dallas seven months later...........

I found this video on Webermans site http://www.ajweberman.com/realtramp1.htm . From the file name one would assume that this is a video of the three tramps. Does anybody know anything about this? Perhaps Alan can enlighten me himself.

Are the tramps in the background towards the end of the footage?

Cheers,

John

Thanks for bringing that out. First few seconds pans the doorway of TBSD, then a dark color

street scene, then black and white video of aftermath with an escorted "perp walk" going

on across the street. W

What fascinated me is the fact that this little gem is compiled from three different film stocks,

but combined only give us 11 seconds, and dimly reproduced at that.

So where are the full length high fidelity sources, that is the question I would ask myself, john.

shanet

I found this video on Webermans site http://www.ajweberman.com/realtramp1.htm . From the file name one would assume that this is a video of the three tramps. Does anybody know anything about this? Perhaps Alan can enlighten me himself.

Are the tramps in the background towards the end of the footage?

Cheers,

John

Thanks for bringing that out. First few seconds pans the doorway of TBSD, then a dark color

street scene, then black and white video of aftermath with an escorted "perp walk" going

on across the street. W

What fascinated me is the fact that this little gem is compiled from three different film stocks,

but combined only give us 11 seconds, and dimly reproduced at that.

So where are the full length high fidelity sources, that is the question I would ask myself, john.

shanet

I am confused.

How can these two pictures, which are the same frames from the same film, have such a different image?

Call me dense if you wish, but, I don't get it at all.

Chuck

Chuck and I see a great disparity between 405 as posted by Jack and 405 as posted by "Bill."

Jack's initial point is still supported, Clint Hill is flying thru time and space without

concern for laws of physics...........

Just a few words about Alvin Malnik. He was director of the Bank of World Commerce, a Bahamas-based institution. According to one investigation "millions of dollars passed through (Bank of World Commerce) and were reinvested in Syndicate-controlled projects in the United States."

The Bank of World Commerce had been established by high-ranking CIA official Paul Helliwell. For more on Helliwell see:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhelliwell.htm

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5766

In the early 1970's, the IRS listed Malnick as one of Lansky's associates. He was considered a rackets figure by the Miami-Dade PD and Miami Strike Force. Malnick was one of the driving forces behind payday car title loan companies that prey on lower income residents who need fast $$.

Trafficante also had some connections with the Bank of World Commerce.

INterestingly he has close business ties to Michael Jackson

That kind of scuttlebutt leads directly back to Richard Nixon, Bebe Rebozo and Nixon's

off shore accounts in Switzerland and the Bahamas....

ie (arrogance of power by A. Summer)

ALthough in his final chapter, Epstein declares for Oswald as a lonely gunman,

those of us who have read LEGEND know the immense importance

of Marina Oswald to her Cold War counter intelligence program handlers.

Another thread today directly claims that George DeMorenschildt was

an agent of George Herbert Walker Bush in the 1960-63 period.

Apparently DeMorenschildt was primary handler for Marina Oswald the "In Place"

Soviet defector .........

Interesting theory:

that Richard Nixon knew enough about Dallas and Lyndon to force him to resign rather

than run again in 1968..........................

AMAZON $17.95

Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly

Originally published in Europe in 1968, this is a once-notorious, now-dated look at John Kennedy's assassination and an excoriation of the American scene in its aftermath. Turner (Rearview Mirror, etc.) explains in his introduction that the book was first published under mysterious circumstances and was "aimed at advancing the 1968 presidential campaign of Robert F. Kennedy," but its U.S. distribution was rapidly curtailed after RFK's death. The authors ("James Hepburn" is a pseudonym) conducted clandestine research among KGB and Interpol agents and French petroleum espionage specialists and relied on a rare, unmodified print of the famed Zapruder film. The book seethes with aggrieved passion in defending the Kennedys and their ideals, and seeks to defrock the "lone gunman" theory of JFK's assassination. Most of the text is a damning jeremiad, portraying pre-1964 America as a vicious, discriminatory oligarchy controlled by alliances of Big Steel and Big Oil, the military and organized crime, which all had reason to fear JFK's proposed reforms. According to "Hepburn," these interests combined with ultra-right-wing paramilitary groups like the Minutemen and Cuban exile groups to plan the assassination. Chapters discussing the assassination itself will be grimly convincing to some readers, with excellent analyses of the Secret Service's failures and the ambiguous roles played by the CIA and FBI during this tumultuous era. This is a pungent historical document, but its conspiracy theory is familiar by now, and its information has been surpassed by more recent studies such as Murder in Dealey Plaza, edited by James Fetzer.

Copyright 2002 Reed Business Information, Inc.

Ed Tatro, JFK assassination expert

Penmarin Books deserves high praise for allowing Farewell America to reach a new and expanded audience.

Book Description

Originally published in 1968 in France under the title L’Amerique Brule (America Is Burning), Farewell America quickly became a best-seller in Europe in eleven languages. It was the inside story of the assassination of President John Kennedy. Although borrowing heavily from published critics of the Warren Commission Report, the book describes the roots of the Cold War, the linkage between large corporate and banking interests, the ever-growing American intelligence apparatus, and the international petroleum cartels that were lined up with a bevy of military brass and Mafia chieftains against JFK.

A combination of these powerful interests called "The Committee" coordinated all aspects of the murder, from setting the time and place of the shooting to the recruitment of the gunmen and the coverup of the conspiracy afterward. The bottom line was that enemies of JFK collaborated with the CIA to erase the perceived threat to their interests by John and Robert Kennedy.

Heady stuff for 1968. So incendiary, in fact, that importation of the book through Canada was squelched, allegedly at the instigation of the FBI. Farewell America wasn’t just another book about the assassination conspiracy; it bristled with restricted information about U.S. intelligence agencies, the White House, global business, and military and political affairs that had to have come from a knowlegdeable source, in this case, French intelligence. It also represented the surreptitious intrusion by those in French government circles into American politics, namely, the 1968 presidential elections.

About the Author

Herve Lamarre, the publisher of the original edition of Farewell America, admitted that the author of record, James Hepburn, was fictitious and that the true sources included Andre Ducret of the Surete; Interpol; and, among others in French intelligence, Philippe Vasjoly, the chief French petroleum agent in the United States. William Turner is an authority on the Kennedy assassinations, the FBI and the CIA, and the author of nine books, including his recent memoirs, Rearview Mirror: Looking Back at the FBI, the CIA and Other Tails.

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From Gary Mack:

"What a worthless theory! The "explosion" is in the REPRODUCTION of the

photo, which Morin's book credited to AP/Wide World. The AP is, in fact,

the source of the picture for their version includes Zapruder on the

pedestal. UPI copies of the Moorman original do not.

"I examined that AP/Wide World first generation negative of the camera

original Moorman Polaroid many, many years ago and there is no such "white

triangular explosion" on it or any copy of Moorman I have seen. Nor is

there any such image on the original Polaroid, which I have had access to

for over twenty years.

"The Moorman photo in Morin's book is nothing more than a picture with a flaw

on his print only, not on the original or any other known copy."

Nevertheless, brain and skull material were scattered fore and aft, and the

Nix, Zapruder and other films never capture these "white triangular" images,

so it is germane to look for them in alternate versions.

I know I saw white "skull" material in NIX, but it was probably only Jackie's white glove.

The skull fragment that blew back onto the hood and was visually tracked and captured

is not anywhere in NIX or ZAP COMICS ZAPRUDER (But should be).....

Chuck

You think the slip of the tongue "Alice Hidell" which J.Edgar Hoover

mentioned on tape to Lyndon Johnson may be

a reference to 'Alex' / 'Alice' DEMORENSCHILDT?

I like the way you approach things.........

"Bill"

You totally missed the point and attacked a straw version of Jack's

observations...you cannot always be right, and you are in fact wrong again.

ARMSTRONG "HARVEY AND LEE" (OSWALD DOUBLE) WEBSITE

http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/

dgh01: LURKERS please note: If this was so easy why have we NOT seen a detailed sturdy of a "alledged Z-frame, ANY Z-frame? Just more noise, simply NOISE

dgh01: Rollie isn't going to post anything, anymore than KODAK is going to post, WHY? You have to deliver the in-camera Zapruder film in order to make comparispons, to dispel alteration scenarios... Now, if you can't deliver to this forum those whom your speaking for, how in the hell are you going to deliver the Zapruder? film. time to go home, Bill. You fought the good fight -- We need Groden and Gary and Rollie and Ray...

dgh01: post us some Z-film examples of this UNIQUE emulsion...time to deliver bucko!

David, I think the noise you are talking about was happening when you asked me to show where Costella had ever said that Life Magazine had printed altered Zapruder film images. How irionic that you didn't even know enough about the facts to intelligently discuss this matter.

the scene. That means that someone had to know that Zapruder would actually go get his camera and film from atop of the pedetal ... that the test pilot film would know the exact panning speed the limo would be traveling, that the test film would be able to duplicate every blur and camera tilt that Zapruder's film shows, and somehow balance every frame by hand to match the half of a roll of film shot prior to motorcade footage. And all this would need to be done before Liffe Magazine started processing prints within the first 24 hours of the shooting. It just doesn't wash!

Bill Miller

Greetings DGH01, Lee, James, Jack White and Education Forum members >>> >>> >>>

This has been a great learning event for many who read this thread>

Serious factual considerations, evidence based arguments and professional input.

The argument has been fiercely fought on both sides.

I think it now clear - to me anyway - how a few rough black and whites of Zap COMICS zapruder

got to LIFE magazine ....... then a blurry video from hell on GERALDO RIVERA in the late 1970's

then these digitized late 1990s archival images..........

There are those who think the images doctored, and those that only believe that frames have

been dropped out.

If the frames are only dropped out to speed the limousine and perhaps change the look of the fatal shots,

then the operation was much simpler.

If the animation of the President and his head and his wife and entourage were directly changed,

then this would be more evident.

Because of the copy of a copy status no one knows for sure how authentic the original Zap COMICS zapruder film was, and the decay, cut edit and missing long ELM Street approach are well known.

The grain arguments are unconvincing. A high temperature glass slide with outdoor filters could have been used to film the dual eight millimeter / split sixteen film. Interestingly enough the Zapruder film needed go through no negative and projected copy positive original developing ........ a split sixteen lab positive original Kodachrome outdoor 8 mm home movie.

Retouched Pyrex color slides pushed with backlight and filters?

As far as the original being a "national treasure" or Groden's commitment to their authenticity,

all in all a very productive discussion.

Also, the members who rant that people are

fools, morons and stupid and debate by the juvenile

"are you calling me a xxxx" methods are hateful,

threatening, backward and fascist

on the very plain face value of their ""discourse"" .......

I notice Tony Sforza had "social network" ties to the ultimate

Latin American conspiracy figures:

Ford, Rockefeller and Kissinger

For those who might be interested.

James

Now that is a dirty nest indeed for William RIP Robertson .....

In a letter sent to John R. Tunheim in 1994, Bradley Ayers claimed that he believed that the following " have intimate operational knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the assassination" of John F. Kennedy: Theodore Shackley, Grayston Lynch, Felix Rodriguez, Thomas Clines, Gordon Campbell, David Morales, Rip Robertson, Edward Roderick and Tony Sforza.

I would be grateful for any information anyone has on Gordon Campbell.

The namebase entry for Gordon Campbell:

http://www.namebase.org/main2/Gordon-_28cia_29-Campbell.html

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Escalante,F. The Secret War. 1995 (136)

Furiati,C. ZR Rifle. 1994 (41)

Hinckle,W. Turner,W. The Fish is Red. 1981 (114-5, 137, 193-4)

Turner,W. Rearview Mirror. 2001 (186-7, 206, 212)

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