Shanet Clark

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Yes, Jack, he's talking about you.

Conspiracy theories sully memories of 9/11 victims

JAMES BENNETT

GUEST COLUMNIST

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER

With the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks fast approaching, the media coverage of 9/11 conspiracy theories is intensifying. While once this was solely the subject of Web sites and Internet forums, the topic has recently been covered in diverse media outlets such as The New York Times, Fox News and the Seattle P-I.

Although the coverage may address some of the views held by the conspiracy theorists, and occasionally even delve into the forensic evidence, one thing they have rarely discussed is, "Who are these people, and how do they come up with conclusions that are completely opposite of those of most people?"

These are questions I have been addressing on my blog for several months now, and after reviewing dozens of hours of video and audio clips, and reading countless Web sites, forums and books, I have had some interesting discoveries.

Most striking of all is the connection that those theories have with others. While the people proposing them may vary greatly in age, politics and education, they almost invariably are conspiracy theorists by nature. In addition to believing the World Trade Centers were demolished by the "New World Order," they also push theories that man did not walk on the moon, Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone was assassinated by the Bush administration, the Srebrenica massacre and even the Holocaust never happened.

In fact, the overlap with anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial is quite unsettling. A frequent source for their claims is the American Free Press, a fringe newspaper founded by Willis Carto, a man called "one of the most influential American anti-Semitic propagandists" by the Anti-Defamation League, and considered a founder of the Holocaust denial movement. Even such notable figures as Professor Jim Fetzer, co-founder of the group "Scholars for 9/11 Truth," do not shy from citing it, as if it were as credible as The New York Times.

As to how they believe what they do, on

e of the first things you notice while following them is a fervent, almost religious level of belief. Through this zeal, and through a selective use of evidence, they are convinced as to the truth of their claims, no matter the evidence to the contrary. One good example of this is the repeated claim that the 9/11 hijackers appear on none of the flight manifests. That myth was started by looking at a list of victims of the attacks posted on CNN's Web site and noting the terrorists' absence. Terrorists who commit suicide attacks, however, are by definition not "victims" of their attack, so there is no reason to believe they would be listed. That fact has been pointed out to them by numerous people, on countless occasions, but yet they persist in their belief. It continues even though the 9/11 Commission report, the news media and, most recently, the evidence presented at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui have all cited the hijackers on the flight manifests, even listing their seat numbers.

As the anniversary of these tragic events approaches, many will remember the victims, and many a tear will be shed for them. But a significant group of people wants to hijack their memories and falsify their history for their own motivations. It is the responsibility of this nation, its people and its media to insist that the truth be told, and their memories not be sullied.

So GREER was originally navy, interesting.

My theory reflect the lifelong interest of the navy and the joint chiefs in JFK's "health"

and it finds the minor marine defector LHO

and the conservative militants in the military intelligence and CIA brass

convening there in DALLAS with

the witting aid of CD DILLON , the Naval Secretaries of the 8F suite group, and high JCS/NSA/CIA honchos

looking the other way as some sort of "sanction" occured

following upon secret charges of

unfitness via JCS / ONI files we will never see .............

......and then JOHNSON and HOOVER merely reaping the rewards and following up appropriately.

So GREER was originally navy, interesting.

My theory reflect the lifelong interest of the navy and the joint chiefs in JFK's "health"

and it finds the minor marine defector LHO

and the conservative militants in the military intelligence and CIA brass

convening there in DALLAS with

the witting aid of CD DILLON , the Naval Secretaries of the 8F suite group, and high JCS/NSA/CIA honchos

looking the other way as some sort of "sanction" occured

following upon secret charges of

unfitness via JCS / ONI files we will never see .............

......and then JOHNSON and HOOVER merely reaping the rewards and following up appropriately.

Thanks Jack, real time photoshop means even "live" feeds will be forever suspect,

and believe me, the thought police down at the agencies have a lot more expertise than you and I,

capiche.....?

f.o.b.

atlanta

The book BLUEGRASS CONSPIRACY by Sally Denton sheds light on this period.

ANDREW THORNTON, a former Lexington, Kentucky police officer ran a cocaine

importing cartel with BRADLEY BRYANT and a character named LAMBERT.

Governor JOHN Y. BROWN and DAN CHANDLER used gambling and Las Vegas

Caesar's Palace VIP perks along with South and Central American Kentucky Fried

CHicken franchises to help this THORNTON, LAMBERT and BRYANT in their international

drug cartel, where women were murdered, drugs were smuggled, weapons were

swapped and counter measures often followed>>>>>>>>>> and they called it the COMPANY.

So when ANDREW THORNTON, who had his passport stamped in over thirty Latin American

countries, died, this is what happened:

He was found with a karate chop to the neck, a duffel bag full of cocaine tied around his waist and

a parachute that had not opened.

Nearby, a bear stumbled upon another duffel bag of cocaine and indulged himself and he died.

John Hull knew lots of people like ANDREW THORNTON and BRADLEY BRYANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BLUEGRASS CONSPIRACY

SALLY DENTON

It is the same reason why I allow lone nutters like you to post on this forum. As they will discover from reading your posts, you are completely illogical and unable to take part in an intelligent debate on the subject.

Hear hear, ........... some will never question nor think for themselves,

and I pity the small minded.

I would like to know who SILVER A and SILVER B were.

This looks like a standard Godfather / day of the jackal automotive program.

The last resort of the grenade carried the day after the tactical arms failed.

This is the sort of attack made upon degaulle in 1962, and his bodyguard/driver just

hauled ass through it.

Heydrich's driver got involved in a stalled gunfight and Kennedy's driver slowed to a crawl.

Of the three, Degaulle survived with a common sense response called the

ACCELERATOR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

We all know that George DeMorenschildt was

Marina Oswald's CIA counterintelligence handler

when she immigrated with Lee from the USSR.

He was a murky white russian fascist with all kinds of globe trotting projects,

and he was nervous in 1976............Bush couldn't deny knowing him, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ron

I joined this Forum specifically because the McAdams site was so dominant the on net,

and obviously a warren commission/ lone nut propaganda job.

I read spartacus and you and James, etc. and joined

to add my two cents to the debate................

Thanks, Jack. Thought provoking material, once again.

US Intelligence and the Nazis

By Richard Breitman, Norman JW Goda, Timothy Naftali and Robert Wolfe.

National Archives Trust Fund Board for the

Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records

Interagency Working Group (IWG)

2004

2nd Edition 2005 Cambridge University Press

477 pages (2nd ed., 495 pages)

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Operation Paperclip, Karl Marcus, Walter Schellenberg, Hans Wilhelm Eggen,

Ante Pavelik, USTASA, Father Dragonovich, the RATLINE, John Ardzej, Andija Artulovik,

Laszlo Agh, Wilhelm Hottl, Reinhard Gehlen, Otto Skorzeny, THE RED ORCHESTRA,

Operation SUNRISE, Eugen Dollman, Adolph Eichmann and the Fremde Heer Ost (FHO).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

PS (a number of Amazon dealers carry this title .........

for around $12

and the WIG

authors have a number of interesting books on the subject at Amazon as well..................)

W. Bush had Kerry's committee record

and other details down to the meticulous degree.

The wartime commander in chief also had a wire over his shoulder

and a box taped to his back, evidently.

Members

Could it be that the responding officers in the book depository actually cut off the stairs, the elevator and the roof fairly well and WOULD HAVE CAUGHT A HOT ASSASSIN but since all they had to find was the shells and italian rifle "lair" they found only what was left for them...............

It also is reasonable to assume that someone cut the power to the elevator on the west dock

and also tied up the one inside the entry. So persons unknown are dodging about the elevators

making investigators and employees walk the stairs.

It is interesting that Victoria Adams saw BILLY LOVELADY so soon after the shots inside the TSBD.

This would mediate against him being out front during the shooting and serve as evidence that the

man photographed watching the assassination from the front steps with the plaid shirt and missing button

was indeed, Lee Harvey Oswald.

Securing the elevators without being seen doing so,

sparking them to go at will, looks conspiratorial in tactics.

..............let.........it...........die..........!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a hard time buying the idea that Kellerman and Greer were accomplices. Given the amount of bullets flying in to the car from all directions, it was a fluke that neither were hit.

I'd have to agree here....they would have to have unusually strong nerves and almost unlimited trust in the ability of the snipers if they were 'in on it'. While I don't rule out that some SS men might have been in cahoots, I doubt the two in the car with JFK would have been or could have been. They would have worn hardhats and bulletproof vests....and been drinking while driving. Their statements on their accounts of the number and timing of bullets adds a bit to my feeling on this also. If they were told there would be a 'hit' the only way would have been to tell them it was to be at a completely different location when they were not to be so close....as some speculate about JC.

WHOA!

The slow turn, the braking, the failure to even coast at the cruising speed of a limo downhill,

the failure to secure overpasses, windows, fences, the RYBKA stand down, the POTUS in the lead car,

the braking and stopping/near stopping in the fire zone, the slow cruise after the initial throat shot to

Kennedy, the failure to etc...........

I have a hard time buying the idea that Kellerman and Greer were accomplices. Given the amount of bullets flying in to the car from all directions, it was a fluke that neither were hit.

I'd have to agree here....they would have to have unusually strong nerves and almost unlimited trust in the ability of the snipers if they were 'in on it'. While I don't rule out that some SS men might have been in cahoots, I doubt the two in the car with JFK would have been or could have been. They would have worn hardhats and bulletproof vests....and been drinking while driving. Their statements on their accounts of the number and timing of bullets adds a bit to my feeling on this also. If they were told there would be a 'hit' the only way would have been to tell them it was to be at a completely different location when they were not to be so close....as some speculate about JC.

WHOA!

The slow turn, the braking, the failure to even coast at the cruising speed of a limo downhill,

the failure to secure overpasses, windows, fences, the RYBKA stand down, the POTUS in the lead car,

the braking and stopping/near stopping in the fire zone, the slow cruise after the initial throat shot to

Kennedy, the failure to etc...........

THIS IS A COUNTER PRODUCTIVE THREAD

Members are asked to review evidence not issue vituperative slanders........

LET THIS THREAD DIE A QUIET DEATH >......

Looks like a paparazzi moment.

The important part is how Ready Ready was.

Not very Ready indeed.

The Secret Service worked for Treasury Secretary CD DILLON, and for this reason alone

I believe the Strategic orders 11/63 came from this GOP cabinet member, Clarence (ap) Douglas Dillon

whatever the complicity of messsieurs DULLES, HOOVER and JOHNSON ............

best to Lee and the members

John McAdams concludes:

Amazing!

White was showing an analysis that assumed you could measure an object

in a photo without taking into account whether it was held parallel to

the film plane, or at an angle.

You just can't do that and get reliable results.

This is, as usual, a ridiculous attack upon a critical thinker with courage and an open mind.

Remember, respected FORUM member JACK WHITE was the first to notice the KEYSTONE

aspect of the backyard photos and he was the first one who brought out the fact that the

easel upon which the backyard photos were created was tilted --- thank you JACK WHITE !!!

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Project Honey Pot? Interesting name. When I was in the

navy in WWII that referred to a part of a woman's anatomy.

But that was back in the days that "f-u-c-k" was not in

the dictionary and on every movie screen as now.

Jack

Back in the 1970s we called the truck that drained the outhouse

at summer camp the HONEY POT.

So it appears that ZR/ALERT was a hypnosis or psychological program of the CIA,

emanating from the Mexico City (Western Hemisphere HQ) station in 1963, but of course,

it had absolutely nothing to do with Oswald or the JFK assassination -- although it had

to be sanitized for national security reasons nevertheless..............hmmm.

Good stuff. Great lead.

(and I do not think the Bruce Johnson in question was the musician in the Beach Boys)

We should all take care that the new GRATZ doesn't get the last word on every thread.

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see you on the threads, stay tuned....

Right, David .... I have been waiting for years and I can wait until hell freezes over because you cannot do to Kodachrome II film what you have proposed and have it go undetected. In fact, until Groden mentioned it and I presented it to you - you didn't know anything about it. So rather than to admit that you didn't think things through - we'll just pretend that we are going to wait for something that is never going to happen.

Bill

We should all see to it that the new GRATZ doesn't get the last word on every thread.

BUT what about her crawling over the back? My memory is that she made contact with SS then.... so does this "down" occur after that or before?

Dawn, as you may recall - Jackie never remembered even crawling onto the back of the limo .... most likely because of being in total shock at the time. It was after she got back to her seat that she got down and held her husband's head in her lap. Her keeping her head down started before leaving the plaza - it can be seen on the Daniels film showing the limo coming out of the west side of the triple underpass - and in several still photos taken as the limo raced towards Parkland.

Bill Miller

We should all see to it that the new GRATZ does not get the last word on every thread.