Shanet Clark

Don't see where there's any Lone Neuter's I'm looking to impress with my truth?

David, posting disjointed sentences that promotes paranoia without facts to support it is not truth.

Bill Miller

We should all see to it that the new GRATZ does not get the last word on every thread.

Madness!!! Confusion and a big mess is all I see..........

"Miller" , like the ill fated GRATZ, always has to have the last word

and it always the most conventional pablum, no chance of government manipulation EVER.

It is clear to me that the Zapruder film was filmed from a higher point of view than the pedestal.........

You are right, Jack White, Mr. ALLEN has really hit a home run on this one!!!

Who is Laurance Rockefeller?

by Alex Constantine

Laurance, vetted by the U.S. Naval Reserve, rose to the rank of lieutenant commander during the war, assigned to the Bureau of Aeronautics as liaison between the Navy and aircraft production plants - despite huge financial investments in Hitler's Holocaust machine by family-owned businesses, as documented by George Seldes and Charles Higham - who dreamed of transforming the postwar world with advancements in communications, nuclear power, aviation and computers. The defense industry fostered experimentation with new technologies and they intrigued Laurance Rockefeller, especially those with the potential to significantly transform everyday life.

When Hitler's Germany rolled out the armaments to flatten Europe, young Rockefeller launched into an intense study of military aviation. He joined the Institute of Aeronautical Sciences, was a director of

Eastern Airlines

and a trustee of Air Affairs, a quarterly international journal. Laurance and his brother Winthrop mustered the Air Youth of America, an aviation training program.

Laurance may have been less visible than his brothers, but he was equally steeped in the sordid world of covert intelligence and disinformation. In the 1950s, he served on a panel that released a report penned by Henry Kissinger, International Security - The Military Aspect, calling for successive escalations in defense spending of $3 billion per year to 1965. In 1973 he was named a director of Reader's Digest, a fount of CIA cold war black propaganda. (To indulge in a bit of necessary guilt by association, Melvin Laird, a Digest officer, is also a director of SAIC, the "remote viewing" sponsor.) Rockefeller is a trustee of M.I.T., a director of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Olin Mathieson, etc., etc.

Renato Vesco traced immediate postwar development of the Nazi saucers to the UK. Vesco, the Italian Werner von Braun, plodded through a detailed investigation of the technology transfer in Intercept, but Don't Shoot, published in 1967. British defense officials, he discovered, hoped to barter advancements in saucer propulsion and design to the United States in exchange for classified nuclear research data. A priority was placed on making the saucers faster, leading to experimentation with a number of rocket propulsion systems. Wind tunnel tests demonstrated the disks could easily slip through the sound barrier when the friction layer was drawn through a multitude of pinholes punched in the hull. Normally, the layer of air that builds along an aircraft's surface slows it down. The air pulling on the craft, otherwise known as the buoyant layer, was eliminated in the saucer design with suction along the entire surface of the vehicle, in place of the conventional jet design. The pinholes sucked away the buoyant layer and pumped the air through a thruster, like an ordinary jet.

When the war ended Laurance was off to Europe, according to Alvin Moscow's sanitized Rockefeller biography, "to examine the latest British experiments with jet propulsion for military aircraft. He looked into the technology of the German Rockets used in the blitz of London." The author doesn't mention a visit to the British Air Force saucer section, but if developments were shared with anyone, it was Laurance Rockefeller, the most influential military aerospace scion in the country.

Laurance and his namesake progeny have been lavish godfathers to UFOlogy organizations that attribute saucer overflights and abductions to the "alien" invasion. A panoply of aircraft defense firms swelled with an infusion of funds from Laurance Rockefeller. The most imposing is McDonnell-Douglas, founded in 1930 by a prodigy of aircraft design, James S. McDonnell of St. Louis. McDonnell shares with Laurance Rockefeller the taint of war profiteering. Periodic postwar investigations of his aircraft company by the General Accounting Office have exposed a deep, chronically overfunded well of fraud. In 1967 the company merged with Douglas Aircraft, the primary subcontractor of Western Electric, a subsidiary of AT&T.

Howver cerebral, James McDonnell had one foot firmly planted in the occult. He was a principal donor to the famed J.B. Rhine psychic research center at Duke University, a forerunner of Psi-Tech, and supported psychic experimentation at Washington University in St. Louis. Professor Rhine and his wife Louisa joined the faculty of Duke University in 1927 to explore the paranormal with Dr. William McDougall, chairman of the psychology department. In a few years, according to Parapsychological Institute literature, "Dr. Rhine was conducting the groundbreaking research that demonstrated under rigorous, scientific conditions that certain persons could acquire information without the use of the known senses. He introduced the term extrasensory perception (ESP) to describe this ability and adopted the word parapsychology to distinguish his experimental approach from other methods of psychical research."

Among the key early supporters of the Rhine ESP center was Medtronics, a medical technology firm in Minneapolis. The connection is chilling in the context of forced human experimentation. Bear in mind the horrors of the surgical table described by abductees, circled by "alien" doctors, when paging through the Medtronics catalog: "The company's neurological business produces implantable systems for spinal cord stimulation and drug delivery.... The Itrel II spinal cord stimulation system is the most advanced and flexible implantable neurostimulation device on the market today."

Another financial supporter of the Rhine center was insurance magnate W. Clement Stone, whose name was the very first on Richard Nixon's list of presidential campaign contributors.

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Escerpt from "Virtual Government" by Alex Constantine

Good points Jack --

except I wouldnt' use the worthless Moorman polaroids to prove ANYTHING.....

best wishes and hang in there.........because of your work on the Kennedy assassination,

the Lunar Photos and the 9/11 photos you have earned the distinct honor of having

disinformation agents dogging you...............

Jack

Lee Forman and I discussed the possibility of a shooter behind the Pergola,

possibly inside the shed behind the Pergola. This is a blinded and sheltered space,

an obvious choice for a sniper who wanted to shoot at the motorcade in Dealey.

This photo from the re-creation looks into the Pergola...........and shows a train in position.

The Louvers or windows in the concrete structure have been ignored, except by Lee, you and I.......

This hard hat character appears to be doing a dance or giving the motorcade the finger / forearm gesture of contempt in other photos. Has hard hat man ever been Identified?

Jack is right about the shadows in that shot.

It has been theorized that the figure of the astronaut is a shadow of a large backlit cut out, with the camera off to its right.........................................

Well, boys, anyone who FREAKS OUT when the possibility of NASA / Lunar photo falsification is mentioned,

doesn't really understand the COld War US photoanalysis controls -

and the censorship of all strategic images during the 1960s ........

Coincidence?

........ unlikely.

there are others, like the late John Liggett.

Were Danny Casolero, Abbie Hoffman and John Lennon all part of the program?

Jack is casting doubt upon the evidential value of the

worthless polaroids presented as Moorman photos.

Correct again, sir, anomalous and incompatible.

I am sorry, who was handed over to Carmel Offie

and into the Sidney Gottlieb MK programs at age four?

also, Lee, the War College series is a limited hang out and a partial whitewash.

Put 750 as the low number, 10,000 as a realistic guess and Bo Gritz's "20,000" as the high end,

as far as counting the old nazis who were brought into the states for their technical expertise.

10,000 old nazis can come up with some interesting programs,

perhaps AIDS, the SLA, Hinckley and Manchurian Candidates, etc.........

The U.S. Army War College History of World War II describes ASHCAN, DUSTBIN and PAPERCLIP as scientific sweep-ups ... where patents, formulas, alloys, technical data, and individuals with said knowledge, were all collected and transferred over to US control.

The Army Historians admit 750 individuals were laundered through the US Occupation to the U.S.

These old naxis ended up in DOW, GULF, DUPONT, RAND and other early global US conglomerate's cover.

The secretiveness, the limited record and the obvious links to MK projects and mind control at CIA make this salient.

OPERATION PAPERCLIP, ASHCAN and DUSTBIN were in effect the bridge between old Nazis from IG FARBEN and the post war cold war international oil and chemical industry, and the CIA was their plaything.............

Bernardo De Torres's daughter has just been in contact with me. Apparently he is not too happy about my web page on him and wants to correct some of the mistakes. For example, he does not live in Chile. He has answered some of the questions I sent him. In many ways, the questions he refused to answer were more revealing.

Can you share what he did answer and what he didn't?!

What is really needed on this thread is the listing of all NARA Documents concerning "Documents which are still [as of 08/06/2006] classified." I used to have a link to the NARA page but hjavent been able to find it, I was on the phone with someone from NARA who was trying to help me and they gave me a phone number to someone who ostensibly was associated with the JFK Collection for further info, when I dialed the number it was 'no longer in service' lol.

Even though it has been at least 6 months since I viewed the page I can give a very small segment of the list from memory

Eugene Hale Brading

Father Madrigal

Bernardo de Torres

E Howard Hunt

Frank Fiorini aka Sturgis

Mitch Werbell

Gerry Patrick Hemming

Loran Hall

Lawrence Howard

Claude Capehart

Nester Castellanos

Jack Ruby

Lee Harvey Oswald

David Ferrie

Even a layman can adduce that if there are still remaining documents which remain classified, they would come in handy as a reference for researchers.

Qui Bono

Interesting list!......handy is a polite understatement!....they are obviously [to me] withheld because they contain damning information of the fraudulent official version and/or other operations we are not to know about associated with what really happened. That the number you were given is no longer in service is parr for the course.....

I was reading OPERATION TILT and ALPHA 66 on the Spartacus files.

Antonio Veciano and Eddie Bayo, Eugenio Martinez and Frank Sturgis.

There was some heavy blackmail when Howard Hunt, James McCord, Martinex, Gonzalex, Barkex, Sturgis and Gordon Liddy ended up in the news....

Ford and the Bush family, with Ford's team of Rumsfeld and Cheney in power, you understand.

Al Haig would be proud ...............

Okay

Bill, thank you for making a few reasonable posts.

Tosh, thank you for telling your story and presenting the possibility of a south knoll shooter...very professional, both of you.

BUT Bill, I must point out a few things.

The badgeman photos just look like a Rorshach test, random.

I never see the badgeman.

But many of the photos posted on this thread show a Classic Gunman

in position.

Tosh, do you think a south shooter might explain that nasty wound around

JFK's right ear that is in the Zapruder film and the autopsy photo?

In other words was the big right side wound an exit wound from a shot fired from the south knoll?

Neither Tosh nor the south knoll shooter is in the photo posted so often,

but it is after the shooting, and the shooter (if there was one over there)

has slipped back into the parking lot.

Bill, though, raised his tone to a more professional level, so that's good.

Tosh is not happy because the thread went from the south knoll theory

over to the Classic gunman, and he's right, we need to look into the

south knoll.

James, do you have any other shots of the south Knoll?

Maybe those pix are what got destoyed and rounded up.

Let's keep working together, even though we don't agree.

shanet

shanet

Shanet...most people have no trouble seeing the badgeman image.

Jack

Jack

thanks for the good clean image, I can see the BADGEMAN individual now..........

(I brought the thread back to remind people about Tosh's scenario)

best wishes and thanks for the good badgeman slide

shanet

The hand puppet in the cab

in, the LAMBCHOP image, is just sad.

Evidentially, the white gloves that Jacqueline wore play a role

in tracking her actions during the barrage.

I once confused her glove with a piece of skull material in the NIX film,

and her clothing was evidence etc..........

Okay

Bill, thank you for making a few reasonable posts.

Tosh, thank you for telling your story and presenting the possibility of a south knoll shooter...very professional, both of you.

BUT Bill, I must point out a few things.

The badgeman photos just look like a Rorshach test, random.

I never see the badgeman.

But many of the photos posted on this thread show a Classic Gunman

in position.

Tosh, do you think a south shooter might explain that nasty wound around

JFK's right ear that is in the Zapruder film and the autopsy photo?

In other words was the big right side wound an exit wound from a shot fired from the south knoll?

Neither Tosh nor the south knoll shooter is in the photo posted so often,

but it is after the shooting, and the shooter (if there was one over there)

has slipped back into the parking lot.

Bill, though, raised his tone to a more professional level, so that's good.

Tosh is not happy because the thread went from the south knoll theory

over to the Classic gunman, and he's right, we need to look into the

south knoll.

James, do you have any other shots of the south Knoll?

Maybe those pix are what got destoyed and rounded up.

Let's keep working together, even though we don't agree.

shanet

shanet

First while I agree that the lack of education is factor, its not because the schools are that bad but rather its the lack of desire by the students. I've seen this first hand. They don't care. The schools are partly to blame, they just pass these kids along rather than keep them back until they actually learn.

I have taught in schools since 1977 and I profoundly disagree with your analysis of the situation. Motivation is a problem but this is not directly the reason why kids from disadvantaged backgrounds fail to do well at school. We have to get things in the right order:

1. Children without the right support from the home begin to struggle with their academic work.

2. They receive low grades, negative comments, are placed in lower sets, etc. To be told you are failing lowers your motivation. This of course reduces motivation and they fall further behind.

The answer to this problem is for the government to take measures that helps to reduce the disadvantages they face in the classroom. Governments have never been willing to do this because it would go down badly with people from advantageous backgrounds. It is this group that applies the most pressure on politicians. In other words, it would be a vote loser. (A large percentage of people from disadvantaged backgrounds do not bother to vote in elections.)

Did I mention our schools are mostly run and staffed by leftists?

Where did you get the idea from? Unfortunately, every school that I have ever taught in has been run and staffed by people with strong conservative attitudes. This is not surprising as everybody in education have achieved academic success by using the existing system. They are therefore slow to see the flaws in the system. For example, most teachers are in favour of streaming or setting. As they have never experienced what it is like to be in a bottom stream, they have little understanding of the negative impact it has on student motivation.

I agree with John on this..............the reproduction of elite advantages ...

is the sociological term for this.

SO THE NAVAL COMMANDER - WHO COULD VOUCH FOR ONI'S OSWALD FILE -

IS THE BROTHER OF THE WOMAN WHO FOUND TRAIN TICKETS MARKED

... DALLAS, TEXAS / LEE OSWALD /"JACK RUBY" / RUBENSTEIN ....

IN SEPTEMBER 1963 ?

Looks like a drop call between LEE (not Lee Remick) and the RUNNING MAN

Marathon Man and Telefon spread some light on the Manchurian Candidate theme.

Running agents was the job of the LEE here, out in the cold and looking for solace.

Looks like a counter counterintelligence scheme, whether real or not.

probably false.

Congratulations for the breakthrough, John --- Have to buy you a stout, ale or lager, soon.

How much can you tell us about the Leo Demore's scenario?

Relatives of the infamous are frequently seduced by theories of innocence. Sadly, Marina has fallen under the spell of the buffs in recent years. She used to be a sympathetic figure. Used to be.

As a counter defector in a counter intelligence game, MARINA was handled

by individuals in the SOVIET: USA cold war, fascists and white russians,

marine/military observers and RUTH PAINE, MICHAEL PAINE, GEORGE DEMORENSCHILDT

handled this Soviet elite family defector and wife of a program counter defector.

HIS DEATH IS THAT OF A FALSE LOST ASSASSIN

a false lost assassin, according to the 1953 US CIA manual, is a false assassin (patsy)

who is then killed, or LOST>

As the defecting widow of a counter-defecting cold war lost false assassin,

the pressures of existence render MARINA OSWALD testimony nearly useless,

whatever sympathy we have for her as a person,

her reliability is utterly compromised, by intrigue, persuasion and intimidation.

To Robert Howard:

Thank you for linking WILLIAM BUNDY to the counter intelligence procedures present in the Kennedy era, MCGEORGE BUNDY to CORD MEYER and DESMOND FITZGERALD then active.

I am a strong MARK LANE and FLETCHER PROUTY theorist and the emphasis on WILLIAM BUNDY, MCGEORGE BUNDY and the CIA National Security Council links the JFK assassination to

SKUNK and BONES

As I've said for a few years now, and begging your indulgence, Lamp Post Man was the CIA case officer pictured at Long Tieng Laos, who may have been named Bobby Castillo-Leon. The comparison is much more than coincidental. (Richard J. Smith)

Hi Richard,

Nice to chat with you again.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Bobby Leon is Major Lopez, right? I have his real name but I'm a little reluctant to offer it here as his family would certainly take a dim view. He was killed in a bar fight in the early 1980's.

I also have the names of two 'Team 5' members and the aliases they used. Both men are dead, one of them killed alongside Tony Izquierdo in 1979. There is a very suspect public relations company in California who seems mixed up in all of this so make no mistake, people still care about distorting the truth some 43 years later.

These guys (Team 5) I believe were part of the back-up plan if Dealey Plaza was aborted. I submit they were positioned near the Trade Mart. Let me stress that this is my opinion only.

FWIW.

James

James

I am heartily glad you have discovered the names and fates of these three assassins.

LAGER STOUT OR ALE MY DEAR FRIEND ?

I agree with RJS, he is a compelling, concise, coherent author

(my highest compliment to any social theorist, columnist or moderator)

[RJS

"...As I've said for a few years now, and begging your indulgence, Lamp Post Man was the CIA case officer pictured at Long Tieng Laos, who may have been named Bobby Castillo-Leon. The comparison is much more than coincidental...".

RJS

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RJ: In the photo "Orville Nix Version 2 (AVI.225 MB) found at site http://www.jfk-online.com/1nix.html...can you or anyone tell me anything about the man standing in the background above the crowd in the front of the Limo after Kennedy was shot? Anything like name... Interview... etc. I was told last week by an investigator that this person was sent in to "observe". Any help on ID would be appreciated.

corrected link for NIX ::::::::::::::::

http://www.jfk-online.com/1nix.html

I have always supported the TIM LEARY / MARY PINCHOT MEYER / JFK

connection. She was chillingly destroyed and since her husband was CIA, Mockingbird, etc....

so something is clearly up. She was probably so heavily featured in the

surveillance dossier that derogated JFK that her very life and mind was

considered classified and she was permanently silenced.

Tapes, trips and counter reactionary intrigues in the 1960's racial,

gendered and politically charged psychopharmacognomy conflicts

over control of the USA figuratively and literally in the nineteen sixties.