Shanet Clark

You've seen them.

Computer animated crash test dummies with super scientific jiggle animation.

Same physics as Arlen Specter, though.

The lone nut up in this corner shoots the marionettes down here twice and the holes are in the back of kennedy, the front of Kennedy and then another one goes into Connally.

Then there is the head of Kennedy.

SO IT WORKS FOR WILE E. COYOTE AND YOSEMITE SAM !!!!!!!!!!!!

High tech and highly effective propaganda skewed to a younger game/literate

age demographic

Anyway, before this thread passes away, would anyone like to hazard an informed guess about who Cabot Lodge might have been calling ?

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Nelson Rockefeller and Allen Dulles.

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Taylor.

Lee

Good material dialogue.

Al Currier and I agree on the strong potential of the South Knoll or Overpass

marksman. Triangulation and Misdirection are central to this approach.

Triangulation with the Dal Tex / TBDS position and the grassy knoll indicates a

south overpass shooter.

The limo would be coming almost straight at the rifleman, allowing less "tracking"

The right occipital wound that is masked in the XRays and photos, but clear to witnesses at Parkland hospital..........this indicates a forward, even a stage left shooter.

MEMBER TOSH PLUMLEE lead a great discussion of this with lots of photos on a thread called THE TRIPPLE OVERPASS back in about November 2004.

As part of the phony observation (abort) team that JM/WAVE sent in from Miami CIA station, pilot PLUMLEE insists he was on the south side, he heard the shots directly and believe they echoed oddly away from the source and then smelled gunpowder.

In a similar straight as the shooter/spotter, PLUMLEE fled south, over the tracks to a vehicle. He has testified to the Kerry committee and has filed statements with the FBI concerning runaway organized crime under government auspices.

These are a few of the reasons some see the south position as the last shot.

A real paramilitary sniper who has never been named or found, to pick up the slack after the mafiosi and cuban politicos had fired )(or not fired)( their weapons.

Security stripping on the overpass explain the SS failures.

The overpass is also strongly airbrushed, a topic which may interest you.

John

Do you have further information about his duties during WWII?

Was he in London?  Was he a member of X-2?

As I recall the OSS was disbanded as soon as the war was over.  I have seen mention of him in the OSS so my thoughts tend to place him there concurrently with being assigned to or in the Navy.  I guess my question is, was he stationed in Europe during the War?

Jim Root

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He spent some time at the WH Mexico City HQ and spoke rather freely about the Central Agency assassination programs being run in the 1960s in south and central america, am I correct?

And no centurion ever raised a spear against a ceasar

and poison was never used in any palace.

Robin , Mark and Bernice

Robin's NSA Document is a routine day officers sheet from 11/22/63.

Classification was low - although routinely marked TOP SECRET it is really only confidential. Notice the lack of UMBRA VERONA COMINT style classification level here. This thing was MEANT for later release. It is a staged sheet of routine business the day JFK was shot. A Duty Officer (name removed) and his boss's signatures are removed. In fine print in the lower right hand is the cross listing #s and these may lead to other files from that day.......

This thing is a historical text and it has a narrative.

The setting is the Signals intelligence Command Center of the US NAtional Security Agency (probably Ft. Meade) record of events from Eight A.M to Four P.M. down at the watch desk. It is a reoutine officer of the day mailroom type list.

Nine forty five a.m. recieved the APSO message, (code # USJ 790 or DTG2104297) and Holst picked up these routine dailies.

One Thirty ..... Routine distribution of BRASS documents by officer Newman.

Two Fourteen P.M. Sent message to CAG ONNIS reporting President shot

Two Thirty Six PM sent message to CAG ONNIS reporting President dead

Two Forty Six     INDIC message from DIA received and farmed out

A routine day, on a document meant for historical release...........?

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Thanks Shanet.

What does it mean by, " All copies tape picked up "

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It looks like the USJ (joint chiefs?) message DTZwhatever came in aand was then distributed out in the form of copies and a computer tape. By Ten a.m. the copies of the daily report were farmed out with the backup tape, looks like....

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Tim

Bernice's Post, the facts that head up this thread, are the evidence.

Jim Root's analysis and Al Currier's conclusions, Dr. Mantik's work, that is my support.

So tedious, that line you got into / you should drop it and stop derailing our talks.

It was thirty-seven years ago today.

Did Robert really think the powers that killed his brother would allow him to win the White House?  Survivor's guilt?

And, do you think it was the same apparatus that murdered both brothers?

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Stan

It certainly is damned suspicious now isn't it?

Whatever had been gained by the murder would pretty much be lost if the younger brother returned to the White House.

And if John Kennedy could be painted as "red" "pink" or some kind of security clearance incapacity case, then so could Bobby.

Whatever the pretext for one fit the other, you understand........

They certainly look related, historically.

The Robert Kennedy murder takes us much deeper into Shakespearean type historical tragedy, and show that universal urge to hunt the clan you are jealous of, like the CENTURIONS knifing the second century emperors, that is what the ROBERT KENNEDY ASSASSINATION brings forward in my reading of that time in history, a Roman Empire type political upheaval.

Force, violence ........ I see illegitimacy usurping power by force and violence.

It was thirty-seven years ago today.

Did Robert really think the powers that killed his brother would allow him to win the White House?  Survivor's guilt?

And, do you think it was the same apparatus that murdered both brothers?

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Stan

It certainly is damned suspicious now isn't it?

Whatever had been gained by the murder would pretty much be lost if the younger brother returned to the White House.

And if John Kennedy could be painted as "red" "pink" or some kind of security clearance incapacity case, then so could Bobby.

Whatever the pretext for one fit the other, you understand........

They certainly look related, historically.

The Robert Kennedy murder takes us much deeper into Shakespearean type historical tragedy, and show that universal urge to hunt the clan you are jealous of, like the CENTURIONS knifing the second century emperors, that is what the ROBERT KENNEDY ASSASSINATION brings forward in my reading of that time in history, a Roman Empire type political upheaval.

Force, violence ........ I see illegitimacy usurping power by force and violence.

Robin , Mark and Bernice

Robin's NSA Document is a routine day officers sheet from 11/22/63.

Classification was low - although routinely marked TOP SECRET it is really only confidential. Notice the lack of UMBRA VERONA COMINT style classification level here. This thing was MEANT for later release. It is a staged sheet of routine business the day JFK was shot. A Duty Officer (name removed) and his boss's signatures are removed. In fine print in the lower right hand is the cross listing #s and these may lead to other files from that day.......

This thing is a historical text and it has a narrative.

The setting is the Signals intelligence Command Center of the US NAtional Security Agency (probably Ft. Meade) record of events from Eight A.M to Four P.M. down at the watch desk. It is a reoutine officer of the day mailroom type list.

Nine forty five a.m. recieved the APSO message, (code # USJ 790 or DTG2104297) and Holst picked up these routine dailies.

One Thirty ..... Routine distribution of BRASS documents by officer Newman.

Two Fourteen P.M. Sent message to CAG ONNIS reporting President shot

Two Thirty Six PM sent message to CAG ONNIS reporting President dead

Two Forty Six INDIC message from DIA received and farmed out

A routine day, on a document meant for historical release...........?

Bob Woodward just lied tonight.

Nancy, do you think it will make the morning papers?

I found it extremely interesting that Bob Woodward's lead was

"In 1970 as a Navy Lieutenant I was working for Admiral Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a courier to the White House."

Admiral Moorer of course spied on the National Security Adviser at the Paris Peace Talks, and Moorer is most famous for sending YEOMAN RADFORD to steal Henry Kissinger's negotiation files for the Joint Chiefs of Staff..........

;)

Jim

You are right, Robert's post is dead on.

The overall picture, which includes the fact that Oswald was an Atsugi Marine when Atsugi was a hotsopt for MK/ULTRA, points to a false defector program.

The fast expedited Helsinki access into USSR was known to Oswald becuase he was a false defector, part of a program which we now know existed. The speed with which he gained entrance to the USSR, combined with the inconsistencies and logistical impossibilities, points to a coached and assisted exit from the West into the Communist bloc.

I don't think Edwin Walker ever panicked.

I think when he was safely down in Louisiana with his alibi, he simply played a pre-arranged card in the frame up of Lee.

Oswald was a communist, taken "off the shelf" - a product of the false defector program.

The fact that he was not watched as a real security threat after his return from Russia shows they were not afraid he had been turned, because they (ONI/CIA)were still using him for the thankless work he engaged in with Dr. Oeschner and David Ferrie, posing as an anti Castro trotskyite, etc.

Oswald was a low level Marine/Navy intelligence "burn card" he was someone with a "legend" built up over time that could be used any way his handlers wished.

One other thing:

Political radicals who commit assassination CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY PROUDLY,

but Oswald denied any part of the "political act" until his death.........

Shanet, would the military have moved on Kennedy without approval?  I guess I'm asking, did they have their masters as well?

This crime has always appeared to me to be the movement of absolute power.  They didn't think they could get away with murdering JFK.  They didn't hope they could away with it.  They knew they could.

The Kennedy's feared a military takeover of the office of the president.  Is this indeed what happened in 1963?

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If pressed I would say the impetus for the executive sanction came from the executives with access to the full surveillance files on Kennedy. The former Navy Secretarys Robert Alexander, Fred Korth and John Connally (all members of the Suite 8F) probably saw the full Office of Naval Intelligence material and pushed the option quietly on the JCS. At some point CD DILLON made the pivotal decision to add his weight to the effort, in a way distinctly similar to the 1963 draft of the 25th amendment. The 25th utterly streamlined the impeachment process, or rather it added a second track to the option of a House impeaachment and Senate trial. Removal of the President by a small group of Cabinet level advisors was made "legal" between 1963 and 1967 (the Johnson Years).

The cabinet flight to Asia may be somewhat co-incidental, and as Ron said, not absolutely necessary to the success of the sanction.

The communication interruption, the break between the White House and the Cabinet group (loss of codes) the Waashington Phone Outage, the Dallas police channel blockage and other co-ordinated communication disruptions shows the "official" nature of the executive sanction.

Once DILLON was onboard with Taylor, the various joint agency processes could begin. Cuban Bay of Pigs Interpen characters, organized crime characters, right wing political characters and people like Jack Lawrence were used to give deniability and cover to the national security executives behind the plot. The CIA can be part of a joint agency plot in a very limited manner, and can look "innocent" by sending a bogus Abort team to Dallas. The FBI would have been held out of the loop in the buildup, and Hoover given good insulating deniability until after the fact. Since the hit was "government policy" and suitable for Hoover's personal agenda, he was obliged to look the other way throughout the aftermath.

The masters of the military, as you put it, would have been a small group of self appointed national security executives and recent former executives. McCone, McCloy, Alexander, Forth, Connally, Lemnitzer, Marshall Carter, Allen Dulles and Maxwell Taylor would have given "legitimacy" to the action and worked to arrange the autopsy, the press/camera sweeps, the Oswald frame and the communication breakdowns.

This is just an articulated version of the traditional view that "the government did it"

I believe Mark Felt turned to Woodward because he knew the new FBI director was corrupted and irresopnsible. Since Patrick Gray was convicted of destroying the contents of Hunt's White House safe, it is obvious that he was not a "real" criminal investigator.

Personally, Felt believed he had been passed over for a job he deserved and replaced by a political hack.

Nixon's anti-semitism (which was rampant -- and confirmed by the tapes) probably played a role in Felt's failure to be named FBI Director.

Felt turned the tables on Nixon, Dean and Gray, and more power to him.

The communication breakdown was evidence of civilian cabinet isolation, and the cabinet schedule may have influenced the timing of the sanction.

Did you hear about the homeless baseball player ?

He was high and outside.

From FAIRPLAY website:

JFK Bibliography

In the years since JFK's assassination, a veritable flood of books relating to the crime have appeared, ranging from apologias for the Warren Commission, to eloquent damnations of same. The Bibliography presented here is not comprehensive; really it's just of list of most of the books those of us at Fair Play have read on the subject, with short descriptions of each. The presence of a book on this list does not necessarily constitute an endorsement of that particular work.

The listings are alphabetical by title.

Accessories After the Fact, by Sylvia Meagher

1967. A meticulous analysis of the Warren Commission Report. Meagher was in the second wave of Warren critics, and her book is probably the best of its time. While Accessories is now a tad dated, it remains a strong indictment of the Warren Commission and an extremely valuable work. Meagher also researched and published the Subject Index to the Report and Hearings and Exhibits of the Warren Commission, and a Master Index with Gary Owens that also covers HSCA material.

Act of Treason, by Mark North

1992. This book argues that Kennedy was killed by the Marcello crime syndicate, and that J. Edgar Hoover learned of the plot but did nothing to prevent it.

Addendum B, by Raymond Marcus

1995. This self-published monograph is hard to find, but worth the effort. The impetus for the manuscript is an analysis of Gerald Posner's account of the Zapruder film. Also examined are the reactions to the assassination by the left/liberal establishment, and by the Kennedy family and their intimates. Portions of this book appeared in E. Martin Schotz' History Will Not Absolve Us.

After the Assassination: A Positive Appraisal of the Warren Report, by John Sparrow

1967. This thin volume by a renowned professor proves that academic qualifications are no substitute for knowledge of the documents. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

And We Are All Mortal, by George Michael Evica

1978. This book, by the former Senior Editor of JFK Lancer's Kennedy Assassination Chronicles, analyzes the evidence of conspiracy and coverup in the JFK assassination, and also the political climate in which it occurred. In particular there is scrutiny of the anti-Castro movement of the early 1960s.

The Assassinations: Dallas and Beyond, edited by Paul Hoch, Peter Dale Scott, and Russell Stetler

1976. A collection of essays on different aspects of the JFK assassination, both pro-conspiracy and con. Also includes sections on the slayings of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, with a section on Arthur Bremer (George Wallace's assailant) thrown in for good measure.

The Assassins, by John Kaplan

1967. Kaplan's magazine article first appeared in The American Scholar. It is an error-ridden and emotionally suffused attempt by a law professor to attack critics of the Warren Commission findings who he sees as assassins of truth. Why this article would establish Kaplan, as it did, as a national authority on the Warren Commission is incomprehensible. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

Best Evidence, by David Lifton

1980. One of the more controversial books on the assassination. In brief, it is Lifton's thesis that Kennedy's body was hijacked by unknown conspirators between Dallas and Bethesda Naval Hospital on November 22, 1963, and surgically altered so it would support the lone gunman theory.

Betrayal, by Robert D. Morrow

1976. Former CIA contract employee Robert Morrow details (in semi-fictionalized form) his involvement with several key events in the secret war against Castro, including the ill-fated Bay of Pigs invasion and a government-sanctioned counterfeiting operation designed to destablize the Cuban economy. He describes the procurement of rifles and specialized communication gear that was later used, he claims, in the JFK assassination.

Bloody Treason, by Noel Twyman

1997. This more than 800-page book touches most of the known bases. Central to it is the argument that the Zapruder film was altered in order to conceal gunman firing from JFK's front. Included are 26 full color reproductions from the film, and Twyman's analysis of same.

Case Closed, by Gerald Posner

1993. Posner's book was a boon to Warren supporters when it appeared during the summer of 1993. The former wall street lawyer ties the JFK case into a nice little package. A good half of this book is devoted to the life of Lee Oswald. Posner got great publicity from the mainstream press, but has been largely discredited as far as most serious researchers are concerned. He remains something of a hero to Warren diehards.

Case Open, by Harold Weisberg

1994. This entry by Harold Weisberg is an answer to Gerald Posner's Case Closed. Like all of Weisberg's published writing, Case Open is difficult to read, being replete with convoluted sentences that sometimes require several passes. Then there is the author's open contempt for his subject, expressed in such memorable phrases as "kissers of official ass like Posner." Case Open may not be the best antidote to Case Closed, but it will do for now.

A Citizen's Dissent, by Mark Lane

1968. A follow-up to Rush to Judgment. Lane describes his efforts to publicize his findings in the Kennedy case, in the face of official disdain. Some interesting minutia.

Conspiracies, Cover-Ups, and Crimes, by Jonathan Vankin

1992. A book looking at various conspiracy theories, and on a grand scale. Does anything ever happen that is not a conspiracy? This book is actually an interesting look at conspiracies and those who believe in them, and not an endorsement of any particular mindset; regarding Kennedy, it contains (among other things) some interesting information on Kerry Thornley. Thornley was Lee Oswald's "Marine buddy" and himself a budding author at the time of the assassination. He actually wrote a book (unpublished) inspired in part by Oswald, before the assassination (!!) and another one (published) after it, the latter entitled Oswald.

Conspiracy, by Anthony Summers

A comprehensive study of the case, first published in 1980, and updated several times. The 1992 edition contains a preface written during the publicity leading up to Oliver Stone's JFK; the author is not a Stone booster. Summers' book is a dispassionate examination of the assassination and its aftermath. While by no means conclusive, Conspiracy points to the strong possibility that the crime was planned by renegade CIA types (including, perhaps, William Harvey) and carried out by members of organized crime, with Lee Harvey Oswald as designated fall guy. Lots of compelling information on the mysterious "Maurice Bishop," especially in the latest edition.

Conspiracy of One, by Jim Moore

1989. A latter-day Scavengers and Critics. Moore's book is another apology for the Warren Commission, but it's not worth the paper it's printed on. Someone had the gall to subtitle this nasty little volume "The definitive book on the assassination," but the first edition didn't even have an index. A 1992 paperback edition added one.

Conspiracy of Silence, by Dr Charles Crenshaw

1992. Crenshaw was one of the doctors in Parkland Hospital involved in the desperate attempts to save JFK. He says in his book that the Parkland doctors tacitly agreed to a "conspiracy of silence" ... that is, to not talk about the fact Kennedy's body had wounds obviously inflicted from a gunman firing from the front.

Contract on America, by David E. Schiem

1988. This work by David Scheim details the alleged involvement of organized crime in the killing of JFK, in particular New Orleans mobster Carlos Marcello. Schiem's research into the pre-assassination behavior of Jack Ruby and others is engrossing. From his detailed rundown of suspicious Jack Ruby phone calls, to the strange intertwining of David Ferrie and Marcello, Schiem makes a pretty good case. But curiously absent from this work is any mention of the intelligence agencies. Schiem is on the board of James Lesar's Assassination Archives Research Center in Washington D.C.

Coup d' Etat in America, by Michael Canfield and A. J. Weberman

1975, reissued in 1992. What Coup d' Etat in America does more than anything else is provide an in-depth look at the links between the Watergate affair and the JFK assassination. The authors use photographs with acetate overlays to demonstrate that E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis may have been in Dealey Plaza masquerading as homeless men. Canfield's bizarre interview with Sturgis and Weberman's insights into super-mercenary Gerry Patrick Hemming round out a tantalizing book replete with details and documentation. Also included are aspects of Silvio Odio as well as a good case for Oswald's affiliation with the CIA. The reissued version contains new information, including E. Howard Hunt's libel suit for twelve million dollars against the authors.

Cover-Up, by J. Gary Shaw with Larry Ray Harris

1976 (Reprinted in 1992). An excellent primer on the JFK case. Cover-up takes a broad overview of the assassination; it is packed with essential data and many photographs. Author Shaw says humbly that the book "is for the average citizen. It is not written for the critics..." but it is a worthy addition to any collection.

Crime of the Century, by Michael L. Kurtz

1982. This book's gimmick is that it tells the story of the assassination "from a historian's perspective." Generally it seems pretty accurate in terms of its facts. The author pooh-poohs the idea of Oswald having a connection to any intelligence agency, saying there is no credible evidence of such. Kurtz believes JFK was killed by a plot originating in Havana. It's an odd thing about Kurtz--he appeared on PBS' Frontline in November 1993, displaying first hand knowledge that Lee Oswald knew Guy Banister--claiming he saw them together in that little restaurant in the 544 Camp Street building. The question was not asked--but how the hell would Kurtz remember that? How would he remember Oswald, who should have been just another face in the crowd at the time? Did Kurtz know Banister?

Crossfire, by Jim Marrs

1989. An encyclopedic overview of the JFK case, which concludes the Military-Industrial Complex probably did Kennedy in. One of two books used by Oliver Stone in making the movie JFK. Harrison Livingstone says (in Killing the Truth) that in writing Crossfire, Marrs ripped off parts of High Treason. Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

The Day Kennedy was Shot, by Jim Bishop

Arguably the most error-ridden and factually distorted book on the assassination. David R. Wrone states, in his bibliography, that after tabulating (in just three chapters) "one hundred instances of major factual error, acute distortion of evidence, and omission of facts contrary to the author's argument," he stopped counting.

Deadly Secrets, by Warren Hinckle and William Turner

1992. An account of the CIA's secret war against the Castro regime, which many feel culminated in the assassination of JFK. Deadly Secrets was originally published as The Fish Is Red in 1981.

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, by Peter Dale Scott

1993. Scott argues that JFK's assassination was a function of "the deep political system," which he defines as "those political practices and arrangements...which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged." Deep stuff.

Destiny Betrayed, by James DiEugenio

1993. A round-up of most of what's known on the assassination, plus an examination of the Garrison investigation. This book rallies to the defense of the late District Attorney. It also has some cool pictures.

Factors in the Death of President Kennedy, by John K. Lattimer

1966. This oft-cited article was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, and the Warren apologists love it; it's a urologist's opinion upholding the Warren Commission findings while completely ignoring testimony and evidence contrary to his desired argument. For example, Lattimer stipulates that the defective scope on the rifle allegedly used by Oswald actually helped him hit the President by compensating for poor marksmanship. He produces no unbiased figures and calculations to prove this. He ignores testimony and evidence of a defective bolt, a defective trigger, an apparent absence of an ammunition clip, and a cartridge case with a dent too deep to hold a bullet. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

Farewell America, by "James Hepburn"

1968. This curious book describes, seemingly from an insider's point of view, a plot to kill Kennedy that was hatched by ultra-right wing elements within the United States. The principal villains are Texas oilmen. Though appearing under the the byline "James Hepburn," Farewell America is believed to have been written by members of General Charles De Gaulle's intelligence squad, at the behest of Robert Kennedy. How trustworthy is it? We don't know, but it's definitely a collector's item.

Final Disclosure, by David W. Belin

1988. The official story, presented by WC attorney (and now staunch WC defender) David Belin. Final Disclosure is interesting if for no other reason than it is an insider's account of the case. Belin takes the reader on a wild ride through pedestrian explanations of a number of things, from Oswald's bus transfer to his infamous "curtain rods" story. The JFK assassination actually only comprises about half of the book; the remainder is devoted to investigations of the CIA's plot to kill Castro and how this was covered up by some rather high-placed officials in the Kennedy administration. Belin also wrote November 22, 1963: You are the Jury.

First Hand Knowledge, by Robert D. Morrow

1992. Morrow casts aside the fictionalization used in Betrayal and talks straight this time. His story is essentially unchanged, but this time he's naming names including his CIA case officer, Tracy Barnes, whom he claims ordered him to procure rifles and sophisticated communications gear for an assassination attempt. Morrow implicates a faction of the CIA's Domestic Operations group in the killing.

Forgive My Grief, Vols. I-IV, by Penn Jones, Jr.

The FMG series are the collected editorials of Jones, the editor of the Midlothian (Texas) Mirror at the time of the assassination. The first few volumes are excerpts of Warren Commission testimony and Jones' comments and analysis. The remaining volumes are mostly editorials and speculations. Among other things, Jones was the first to assert there has been a chain of "mysterious deaths" among those who may have known too much.

Heritage of Stone, by Jim Garrison

1970. There is some obvious overlap between this book and On the Trail of the Assassins. They were written nearly twenty years apart, but cover essentially the same territory. The difference is that in On the Trail, Garrison tells his first-person story of investigation and prosecution; in Heritage of Stone, he simply lays out the case for conspiracy as he sees it.

High Treason, by Robert Groden & Harrison Livingstone

1989. This book was ranked by the old Assassination Information Center as one of the "Ten Best" books on the case. It's full of interesting information, but portions are surprisingly poorly written. (In its Appendices, the authors say, ominously, that their book was written under "appalling strains," but don't elaborate.) Livingstone wrote High Treason 2 without Groden and now says Groden had little to do with High Treason.

High Treason 2, by Harrison Livingstone

1992. Livingstone calls them like he sees them in this extensive and well-documented book. He poses some biting questions about the x-rays and autopsy photographs. Also a target is Livingstone's former partner Robert Groden, whom he now claims only wrote five pages of the first High Treason. Livingstone's writing style can be quite frustrating at times, but overall, he makes his case well and is convincing.

History Will Not Absolve Us, by E. Martin Schotz (editor)

1996. This valuable anthology reprints several early Salandria articles, and others whose work is known but not easily found. At its heart, though, are new analyses by Schotz and others, with the aim of revealing "Orwellian techniques" which allowed Americans to look the other way, in spite of a rather obvious conspiracy.

If You Have a Lemon, Make Lemonade, by Warren Hinckle

1973. The memoirs of the former editor of Ramparts magazine. Hinckle devotes a chapter to his mag's investigation of the JFK case, "Give Us This Day Our Daily Paranoia." Often irreverent, Hinckle's descriptions are informative and fun, and a refreshing change of pace to the oh-so-deadly-serious study of the assassination. Hinckle is co-author (with William Turner) of The Fish Is Red, reprinted in late 1992 as Deadly Secrets.

Inquest, by Edward Jay Epstein

A good, concise criticism of the Warren Commission's findings. Epstein utilized the files of only one segment of the Commission staff; therefore, his argument is deflected away from vital areas. Epstein has produced several other books on the case, including Legend; the author is very much in the Oswald-dunnit camp. However, Inquest seems to contradict that notion and was heralded as a shot against the Warren Commission when it first appeared. Penn Jones Jr. observed, "Epstein took one peek inside Pandora's box, wrote a good book, and has been running scared from his book ever since." (Adapted from David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

The JFK Assassination: The Facts and the Theories, by Carl Oglesby

1992. Published in the wake of the movie JFK, this paperback is a collection of Oglesby's assassination writings over the years, including the argument that Kennedy was the victim of a "Yankee-Cowboy" conspiracy.

JFK: The Documented Screenplay, by Oliver Stone and Zachary Sklar

Consists of a screenplay to the Oliver Stone film, annotated with some 340 research notes and citations. Also, there are about 350 pages of Appendeces of comments on the film and related issues, which appeared in the American press around the time of the movie's release. Finally, there is a section of "Historical Documents," including several NSAMs, and Jim Garrison's closing statement in the Shaw trial.

The Killing of a President, by Robert Groden

1993. A collection of photographs pertaining to the assassination. This book is not, as it claims to be, a "complete photographic record" of the JFK case, but it's pretty close. It isn't laid out very well, either. Not all photos have captions, and of the captions there are, it isn't always clear which apply to which photo. Groden also makes leaps of faith in some of his photo interpretations.

Killing the Truth, by Harrison Livingstone

1993. Livingston squeezes out a sequel to his High Treason 2, even though he vowed HT2 would be his last book on the JFK case. Harry concentrates on the theory that a cabal of Dallas oilmen and Texas politicians was behind the assassination. On the outs with most of the research community, he flames them as being out to prevent the truth from ever surfacing. He apparently is on good terms with Penn Jones. But he really goes after Robert Groden, who, he says, only wrote about five pages of High Treason, although they are credited as co-authors.

The Last Investigation, by Gaeton Fonzi

1993. A House Select Committee Assassinations investigator's account of the inner workings of the HSCA. Fonzi first developed the information on "Maurice Bishop," believed to be longtime CIA guy David Atlee Phillips. Fonzi writes that Bishop was "an intelligence officer who likely held the key to the Kennedy assassination." One of the best books on the case to emerge in recent years.

Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald, by Robert Oswald

A book by Lee Oswald's brother, whose printed remarks differ considerably from his initial comments published in the public press. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

Libra, by Don Dilillo

1988. A novelized speculation on how a conspiracy to assassinate JFK might have played out. Dilillo is a good writer and some of his sentences are quite nice. But in Libra, it seems that he tries to have it both ways. Even as loony lone nut Oswald is seen doing just about everything the Warren Report says he did, intelligence types are seen planning the assassination with the help of anti-Castro Cubans. Oswald--in his mind, acting alone--is seen squeezing off rounds from the TSBD, as CIA-hired assassins fire from the Grassy Knoll. Oswald also plugs J.D. Tippit in a moment of panic. While Dilillo covers much of what is known about the events leading up to 11-22-63, he leaves out a bunch of stuff that he apparently couldn't fit into his version. There is no Silvia Odio incident, no Jack Ruby at Parkland, no Roger Craig witnessing Oswald or a lookalike fleeing the TSBD. There is no voter registration incident in Clinton, Louisiana. Oswald is seen as a genuine defector--and a "confused ideologue," to use Philip Melanson's term.

Mafia Kingfish, by John H. Davis

1989. Perhaps the definitive work on gangland figure Carlos Marcello. Davis maps out many aspects of the mobster's life, from his birth in Tunisia to his rise in the Costello crime family. Marcello's infamous threat to kill both Robert and Jack Kennedy forms the basis of Davis' conclusion that it was Marcello and other mobsters who had JFK killed.

The Man Who Knew Too Much, by Dick Russell

1993. The story of Richard Case Nagell, a spy who came in from the cold, with a chilling tale to tell--or at least hint at. Nagell says he worked with Lee Oswald in intelligence stuff, and was aware of the developing plot to bump Kennedy. Unable to prevent it, he removed himself from the game by firing off a few rounds in a bank in El Paso, Texas, in September '63. He thought he would get a light sentence because he made no attempt to rob the bank, but wound up spending some four years behind bars. Nagell has never come completely clean about his presumed knowledge of a JFK conspiracy, but dropped enough clues for the author to write a 700+ page book. Nagell is still alive as of publication; Russell (no relation to the Warren Commission member) says he doubts Nagell will ever tell all he knows. A very complicated spy-versus-spy story.

The MK:ULTRA Secret, by Frank Camper

The stated purpose of this book is to reveal that "Lee Harvey Oswald was the MK/ULTRA secret, and he didn't even know it." MK/ULTRA was a CIA codename for secret mind control projects. The author is an elite covert operations specialist. Is The MK/ULTRA Secret, then, part of a covert operation? No student of MK/ULTRA or the JFK assassination will learn much that is new from reading this book. (Reviewed in Fair Play #19 by Richard Bartholomew.)

Mortal Error: The Shot that Killed JFK, by Bonar Menninger

1992. The author argues there was a conspiracy (after the fact) to cover up certain details of the assassination. Menninger theorizes that a Secret Service agent riding in the vehicle behind the presidential limousine accidentally fired the fatal head shot. He writes that JFK was hit by two different types of bullets, one type being the 6.5 mm rounds (with thick jacketing) fired from Oswald's Carcano and the other being a thin jacketed .223 round fired from an AR-15 carried by a Secret Service agent. The thicker jacketed rounds did not fragment upon impact (single bullet theory and/or "magic" or pristine bullet) however the thin jacketed round due to higher muzzle velocity became unstable (tumbling in flight) and fragmented upon impact causing the fatal wound. (Contributed by A. G. von Luternow.)

A Mother In History, by Jean Stafford

1966. A Mother In History began as a magazine article and was later expanded into book form. The author spent several days interviewing Marguerite Oswald, Lee Harvey's mom, and reveals herself to be a totally unsympathetic ear. Stafford is so cold toward Mrs Oswald, one wonders why she even bothered. Mrs. Oswald was a bit of a flake, but Stafford's overtly hostile attitude is still beyond belief. Their discussions lasted over three days; one morning before starting, Stafford writes that her impulse was "to eliminate the day by taking a sleeping pill" rather than talk to Mrs. O. She also states, without blinking, that she let her mind wander by silently reciting the names of U.S. states as Mrs. Oswald droned on. This book, in short, reveals as much about its author as its subject.

A Mother In History really pissed me off, although I don't want to over-react to this slender volume. In The Interior Castle, a 1992 biography of Stafford, Ann Hulbert writes that A Mother In History was "...a cruel portrait, executed pitilessly...Stafford insisted on intruding in the role of merciless judge." Indeed. I'd like to add that Jean Stafford was a marginally talented writer of unremarkable prose, but I've never read anything else by her.

November 22, 1963: You are the Jury, by David W. Belin

1973. An effort by a former attorney for the Warren Commission to uphold the conclusions of the Warren Report. He achieves this end by the devices of quoting at length the report itself and by baldly ignoring most of the critical literature (including the indictment of Belin's own acts while a Commission lawyer as brought out by Sylvia Meagher in the Texas Observer) to attack the most vulnerable of the major critics, Mark Lane. Belin cannot in a self-serving book overcome the consequences of his abdications when a Commission lawyer. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

On the Trail of the Assassins, by Jim Garrison

1989. The basis for Oliver Stone's JFK, and the former District Attorney of New Orleans' first-person account of his investigation into the assassination. Garrison charged a local businessman, Clay Shaw, of complicity in the crime, but failed to convince a jury. While some feel Garrison's case was a farce that set back serious investigation, the D.A. did unearth important information, such as data on Guy Banister and David Ferrie. Garrison also wrote Heritage of Stone and Star-Spangled Contract.

The Oswald Affair, by Léo Sauvage

An early critique of the Warren Report. First published in France in 1965 (Sauvage was a French journalist), later translated to English and published in the U.S. in 1966.

Oswald in New Orleans, by Harold Weisberg

1967. This book has lots of information, as its title says flatly, on LHO in New Orleans. He was born there, and lived there at different times of his life--including the summer preceding the assassination. Weisberg has dug up a lot of stuff over the years. But the problem with this book, as in all of Weisberg's stuff in our view, is the author's prose. The real story of the Kennedy assassination is such a dense jungle it's hard keeping all the facts straight; Weisberg compounds this by requiring the reader to separate his facts from his anger. Most writers and researchers who venture into this territory must of necessity use Weisberg as a standard research tool.

Pictures of the Pain, by Richard B. Trask

1994. The photographs presented in this book, the majority of which were taken on November 22, 1963, are strangely selected and interpreted. Trask seems to have overlooked or mistated the importance of some of the pictures he reproduces, and he adduces questionable sources in support of his analysis. This is everywhere evident in his book. His entire interpretation of the Zapruder film, to which he devotes an entire chapter of nearly 100 pages, implicitly rests on the truth of the Magic Bullet Theory. There is no discussion of the considerable evidence precluding it. In spite of all this, Trask's book is a worthy addition to assassination literature; just be sure to read it with caution. (Adapted from a review by Jerrold "Fatback" Smith.)

Plausible Denial, by Mark Lane

1991. Lane's account of a libel case involving former CIA officer E. Howard Hunt and his alleged involvement in a CIA conspiracy to kill Kennedy. Included are chapters devoted to depositions of key witnesses in the libel case such as Richard Helms, David Atlee Phillips, G. Gordon Liddy, Stansfield Turner, and Hunt himself.

Reasonable Doubt, by Henry Hurt

1985. Hurt's book is similar to Conspiracy in some respects. Hurt, though, devotes many pages to what he calls "The Confession of Robert Easterling," the claim of a man who says he was involved in the planning stages of the conspiracy.

The Ruby Cover-Up, by Seth Kantor

1978. Originally titled Who Was Jack Ruby? A thorough examination of the background of the man who murdered Lee Harvey Oswald, which was so whitewashed by the Warren Commission. Among critics of the official version of what happened to JFK, the late Mr. Kantor was generally considered the Ruby expert.

Rush to Judgment, by Mark Lane

1966. As a general comment, Mark Lane too often seems like an ambulance-chaser--and that makes us uneasy. Still, he has published some interesting things over the years and was in the first wave of Warren critics. RTJ is an analysis of the Warren Commission's report, and a defense of Lee Harvey Oswald. Lane entered the case at the request of the murdered Oswald's mother, with the hope of representing the accused assassin before the Commission. This never came about, as the Commission did not take an adversary approach to the case. A film version of this book was directed by Emile de Antonio.

The Scavengers and Critics, by Richard W. Lewis & Lawrence Schiller

1967. A full-frontal assault on critics of the Warren Commission. This book, published when Warren criticism was really taking off, pretends to be an objective look at the critics and their work. It is really a series of smears against the most prominent critics of the day, and an unabashed apology for the Commission's deficiencies. Schiller co-authored I Want to Tell You, written with accused murderer O.J. Simpson, making us wonder who the real scavenger is. (There is an interesting account of Messrs. Lewis & Schiller in Mark Lane's A Citizen's Dissent.)

The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, by Robert Groden

This book may be considered a companion volume to Gorden's The Killing of a President. It, too, is a an oversized "coffee table" book of photos; this time the emphasis is on the enigmatic Oswald.

The Second Oswald, by Richard Popkin

1966. A concise study of all the "Second Oswald" sightings in the Dallas area in the months leading up to the assassination. This book is a standard source in this area of JFK assassination and is listed in all the bibliographies. Popkin sees a very limited conspiracy, involving Oswald, a "second Oswald," and perhaps one or two others, as both plotters and killers. He is pretty weak in his analysis of the Tippit slaying. In addition to the regular text this book contains appendices which have the Sibert-O'Neill report, the Silvia Odio testimony, and other stuff not found everywhere.

Six Seconds in Dallas, by Josiah Thompson

1967. A study of the witnesses and physical evidence --- the shots, shell casings, bullet fragments, and so forth --- used by the Warren Commission. Thompson concludes that at least three gunmen participated in the murder. The argument is faulted by superficial research and a lack of awareness of the complexity of the problem and misleads the reader. Perhaps the book's most important point for future research is the "Dealey Plaza Chart: Location of Witnesses," wherein the author numbers, names, locates, and gives information on the individual testimonites. (From David R. Wrone's The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy: An Annotated Bibliography.)

Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and U.S. Intelligence, by Dr. Philip Melanson

1990. An analysis of Lee Oswald's background, which concludes that, whatever his role on November 22 '63, Oswald was a U.S. intelligence agent. Very interesting, very spooky (pun intended). Melanson has also written books on the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Kennedy.

They've Killed the President!, by Robert Sam Anson

1975. A general overview of the JFK case. This book includes information that, as of publication, was new, such as stuff on the Rockefeller Commission. Anson gives weight to the notion that Kennedy was killed by a "domestically based" conspiracy, although this is advanced cautiously.

The Third Alternative, by Vincent Palamara

1993. This unique book examines the role of the Secret Service in the JFK assassination. Virtually alone among assassination researchers, Palamara has studied this agency carefully and reaches some startling conclusions. Much of the book is based on the author's personal interviews with surviving agents and their families.

The Unanswered Questions about President Kenney's Assassination, by Sylvan Fox

1965. In this early work on the case, author Fox concludes there is a "skeleton of certainty," to wit: that Lee Oswald participated in the assassination (although alone or with others, Fox doesn't know); that Oswald killed Tippit; that Jack Ruby killed Oswald. Fox also demonstrates that the Warren Commission overlooked witnesses, withheld evidence, and left many unanswered questions, although he finds their motives for doing so murky. Much has been learned since this book appeared, but in reading it today we can see how much was already known within a couple of years of JFK's murder.

The Warren Commission Report

1964. The book that started it all! We'll give away the ending: Oswald did it.

The Web of Conspiracy, by Theodore Roscoe

A 1959 book about the conspiracy to murder Abraham Lincoln. This book is quite interesting when contrasted to the JFK case. There are some curious parallels --- in particular, long suppressed (thanks to the War Department) evidence of a conspiracy against Lincoln that was wider than is generally known.

Whitewash, Vols. I thru IV, by Harold Weisberg

Analyses of the Warren Report and the work of the Warren Commission, originally self-published starting in 1965. In 1994 the Whitewash series appeared as an anthology, Selections from Whitewash. Weisberg has several other works on the assassination out there floating around, including Oswald In New Orleans and Post Mortem. Weisberg's work is all solidly documented, but sadly under-publicized. His prose style will eat your brain.

Who Killed Kennedy? by Thomas G. Buchanen

1964. For its time, Who Killed Kennedy? was easily enough to sow the seeds of doubt. This early work on the JFK case asserts the assassination may have been planned by Texas oilmen. Their motive? Kennedy's effort to do away with the oil depletion allowance, which let the oil guys write off millions of dollars lost in their high-risk industry. This book is rambling and also highly speculative; when you read it you must remind yourself it was written before the Warren Report came out. It contains a good analysis of past Presidential assassinations, which, like JFK, were pinned on a "lone nut."

The Witnesses, a NY Times condensation of WC testimony

1964. This book contains carefully selected highlights of Warren Commission testimony, and serves to damn Lee Harvey Oswald as solo nutcase. Sylvia Meagher said of this book: "The Witnesses...[is] one of the most biased offerings ever to masquerade as objective information. In publishing this paperback, The Times engaged in uncritical partisanship, the antithesis of responsible journalism."

The Yankee and Cowboy War, by Carl Oglesby

1975. Oglesby asserts there is a connection between the JFK assassination and Watergate, and that the Dallas tragedy was part of a struggle between the Eastern seaboard "old money" power structure (the Yankees), and a western U.S. power structure (Cowboys).

This recent post in the "who had the Football" thread is by far the most important single posting I have read in this forum in a long time.

It starts with a quote from Ron Ecker, but the key material is by member Bernice Moore. I would like all members to read it and comment with additional facts and opinions........

QUOTE(Ron Ecker @ Jun 3 2005, 04:56 AM)

According to Manchester, Gearhart had the football, and he was not left behind at Parkland. Johnson and his men paid no attention to him (I'm sure Johnson knew exactly what was going on and that the Russians had nothing to do with it), but Gearhart took it upon himself to sit on a policeman's lap from Parkland to Love Field.

Manchester says that eyeglasses seen reflecting light from the rear in the photo of Johnson being sworn in are Gearhart's glasses.

Ron

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Hi Ron:

When Gearhart was separated from Johnson, it would not necessarily have been accidentally...It could have been deliberately arranged by the military personnal at the upper level of the plot..They may not have trusted Johnson with the steel

30lb.. suitcase that held the key to a retaliatory attack, perhaps it was imperative that for the first few hours following the transfer of power, that the planners have complete control of all aspects...foreign and domestic.

It is hard to believe the United States was off guard in anyway, within the Pentagon

where total control was concentrated, the high military officials were in command,

they were aware, and prepared for any situation that might arise from foreign or

a domestic source...

In Bishop's book, it contains another revealing incident: "Officials at the Pentagon were calling the White House switchboard at the Dallas-Sheraton Hotel asking who was now in command. An Officer grabbed the phone and assured the Pentagon that Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara and the Joint Chief of Staff ' are now the President".".......Perhaps because the assassination was on a need to know basis ,the party that called was a low echelon officer who was unaware of what was happening..It was interesting that the communication officer who took the phone to announce the transfer of power was a member of the Presidential party and was fully aware of what was taking place.....

Communications of all kinds seemed to have been deemed important by those who planned and carried out the assassination..Several strange incidents that involved communications in Dallas..Washington...and abroad occurred..that day...

They of course have been attributed to coincidence , but what are the odds.?

In Dallas the police radio was immobilized at 12.29 Channel One of the DP radio system was rendered inoperative when someone within the dept. keyed his radio microphone button for four minutes, making it impossible for any police communication from the kill zone during the critical moments...and immediately afterward.....Channel One was reserved that day for those officers in the security of the President..From 12.29 till 12.33 the only audible sound on the police audio tape is the rumbling of a motorcycle engine...In Dallas the press telephone within the motorcade was immobilized..At 12.34 the radiophone in the press car carrying the members of the wire services was rendered inoperative, also.....In fact a fight broke out between UPI's Merriman Smith and Jack Bell of the AP.Bell finally managed to grab it after Smith has issued the initial report that shots had been fired , but to Bell's dismay, the line inexplicably went dead..

In Washington there was a crucial breakdown of communications when the telephone system ,in the capital went out at approximately 12.33..pm..It was almost an hour before full telephone service resumed ..It was explained ,that it was due to overloaded phone lines, was the Pentagon affected by this shut down??

Abroad, a teletype machine aboard a military aircraft carrying the Cabinet members to Japan began chattering the first report that shots had been fired, there was a moment of panic ,fearing an international plot, and with codes and procedures for such and emergency,Sec. of State Dean Rusk and Press Sec. Pierre Salinger attempted to contact the White House for verification..The did reach the Situation Room but were prohibited from authenticating the data because the "official code book was missing"..from it's special place aboard the plane.

After a futile search the Sec of State was forced to break procedures with coded communications ,Rusk was forced to break the code and communicate with the WH in plain English..

This was not happenstance that the President, the Vice President and six members of the Cabinet were away from the centre of power on Nov.22/63.It seems as though it was by design that Sec. of State Dean Rusk, Treasury Sec. Douglas Dillon, Interior Sec. Stewart Udall, and Labor Sec.W.W.Wirtz, as well as other administration officials like Press Sec. Salinger, were trapped on an airplane over the Pacific at such a critical time..These men perhaps thought they represented the true power of the nation but by all authority that day it belonged to the powerful military chieftans deep within the Pentagon....

As an additive....

In Hawaii on Nov. 21/63 , the day before......shortly after lunch Honolulu time , U.S.Ambassador to South Vietnam Henry Cabot Lodge made a long distance call from the lobby of the Royal Hawaiian Hotel..Now this distinguished diplomat had acces to phones in privacy from his room or the military circuits at no cost....Yet he was seen, according to the Honolulu Star Bulletin, with a stack of quarters in his hand pitting coin after coin into a pay phone??

Mr.Lodge was in Honolulu for a nine hour summit conference on Nam with Sec. of Defence Robert McNamara ,Sec of State Dean Rusk, financial aid chief David E.Bell ,Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Maxwell D.Taylor, Admiral Harry D.Felt, and General Paul D.Harkins, then the Commander of U.S.Forces in Vietnam..

Lodge was the only person of the seven member policy-making body to stay at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel.....the others stayed in the military quarters.

This group of high level political and military policymakers had just decided to step-up military operations against communist insurgents in Nam.

This desicion was in Direct Conflict with Presidentt Kennedy's announced intention

of Oct.63..to withdraw 1000 U.S.military personnel from Sth.Vietnam, reducing U.S.troop strength there to approximately 14.500..

Three days later Lodge met with the new President and was instructed by LBJ to return to Vietnam and inform the Saigon government of the new U.S policy pf strong military support for South Vietnam..

But from Washington......on the afternoon of Nov. 22/63......somewhere high over the United States, the new President Lyndon Baines Johnson and the passengers aboard AF 1....received the news that the assassination had been performed by one individual and no conspriacy existed.....The news came not from the scene of the crime,Dallas.....but from Washington D.C....specifically, it came from either McGeorge Bundy or Commander Oliver Hallet in the Situation Room of the White House Communications Agency...........manned by military personnel and receiving much of it's information from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in the Pentagon.....

and Last but not least there was in the air over the U.S a mobile military force able to be thrown into action anywhere in the U.S where needed.......if trouble developed..The largest peacetime airlift in history had taken place, Operation Big Lift....had moved an entire combat division from Texas to Germany for thirty days just one month previous.....On the day of President Kennedy was killed, the last third of the returning troops were in the air at the time of the shooting...estimated to be a brigade combat team armed with personal weapons, which could have been deployed anywhere into action, in the nation on a very short notice.....if perhaps needed.....

But this was of course all coincidence, if not then it was an indication of the careful planning undertaken by the Military ......That day in Dallas.....

From:

The Day Kennedy Was Shot....Jim Bishop

Dallas Radio Tapes..11/22/63

The Death of a President....William Manchester

Forgive My Grief IV...Penn Jones

The Making of the President...Theodore White

Cover-Up.........Gary Shaw

B (Bernice Moore)

Thanks again.

This is the critical material pertinent to an authorized

EXECUTIVE SANCTION

I would like to welcome TIM GRATZ to that elite community of punsters who see DEEP THROAT MARK FELT as the bad guy.

He joins BERNARD BARKER , CHARLES COLSON and ED NIXON in this perception.

When you are in a position of public trust and your superiors, PAT GRAY and RICHARD NIXON are committing obstruction of justice , what do you do ?

Do you impotently report your information to these criminals or do you seek other avenues?

Mr. Felt is the patriot, Mr. Gray and Mr. Nixon are the corrupt politicians.

PAT BUCHANAN, BERNARD BARKER and CHARLES COLSON are on record as stating that FELT was somehow in the wrong.

This is a democracy, based on public support, transparency and civil oversight.

When wrong doers block the wheels of justice, the right thing to do is Blow the Whistle.

The belief that office holders can do no wrong and that DEEP THROAT was somehow a criminal leads to Fascism.

Mr. Gratz believes that people in power can do no wrong, and that regulations and the chain of command are inviolable.

What a pathetic shameful and ridiculous position to take in a public forum.

Regular readers and members will know what I have to say:

An Executive Sanction was imposed on John F. Kennedy by the national security clearance granting agencies. A group of executives, including JCS chief Maxwell Taylor, (an associate of General Edwin Walker), Republican Treasury Secretary Clarence Douglass Dillon (overall head of the Secret Service), John McCone of CIA, Mr. John McCloy with Fred Korth and Robert Anderson (former Navy Secretaries) and Allen Dulles, were privy to John Kennedy's surveillance files, and declared him unfit, or incapacitated, and removed him from office, physically.

Mary Pinchot Meyer's LSD, JFK's sexual contact with foreign agents, his Addison's disease and his other 1960s Hollywood style activities made JFK's security clearance lapse, and he was removed in a bloody coup, which was then covered up by the CIA and FBI, with the consent of the new President Johnson.

Although it was a joint agency executive sanction, the CIA was not the principle, the military intelligence agencies were, specifically the ONI, which had records on Kennedy back to WWII, and the NSA, which wiretapped and photographed him.

This is the only theory that fits all the facts.................

Regular readers and members will know what I have to say:

An Executive Sanction was imposed on John F. Kennedy by the national security clearance granting agencies. A group of executives, including JCS chief Maxwell Taylor, (an associate of General Edwin Walker), Republican Treasury Secretary Clarence Douglass Dillon (overall head of the Secret Service), John McCone of CIA, Mr. John McCloy with Fred Korth and Robert Anderson (former Navy Secretaries) and Allen Dulles, were privy to John Kennedy's surveillance files, and declared him unfit, or incapacitated, and removed him from office, physically.

Mary Pinchot Meyer's LSD, JFK's sexual contact with foreign agents, his Addison's disease and his other 1960s Hollywood style activities made JFK's security clearance lapse, and he was removed in a bloody coup, which was then covered up by the CIA and FBI, with the consent of the new President Johnson.

Although it was a joint agency executive sanction, the CIA was not the principle, the military intelligence agencies were, specifically the ONI, which had records on Kennedy back to WWII, and the NSA, which wiretapped and photographed him.

This is the only theory that fits all the facts.................

Jim

You are right.

After 1963 the JCS and defense department took the lead in consolidating

joint operations, and enrolling the CIA civilian agency into military sponsored covert operations worldwide.

This is made very clear in the book America in Vietnam by Guenter Lewy, which exposes this process in relation to Wm Colby, the PHOENIX counter revolutionary assassination program and General Taylor.

JFK's assassination was the turning point in this consolidation of joint agency operations.

MR WEBERMAN

Your photograph is not in good order.

The rest of us members all attach real photographs of ourselves for legitimizing purposes.

The suggestion that the KGB hit Cord Meyer's son in 1956 is unsubstantiated.

It is more probable that Mr. Cord Meyer's ties to international pacifist efforts made him a target of his employer, the CIA.

GOOGLE is a useful tool, but........

The Education Forum has been downgraded in priority.

I monitor some unique phrases for their placement in GOOGLE searches.

Around the time we got into CD DILLON, MARSHALL CARTER and MARY MEYER

our entire profile was downgraded. Certain unique phrases in the Education Forum

threads which used to be placed first or second in the GOOGLE SEARCH rankings,

are now lost - totally obscured and no longer available to searchers looking for the

phrases....I know this for a fact and find it curious and disturbing .............

This man Senor, a White House and IRAQ War insider is probably part of the

policy change .............

Not only does this support my theory (prior knowledge and complicity of MI/ONI),

I can vouch for many of the minor details.

Ken Hechler was indeed a White House Aide to Harry Truman, a popular COngressman and Secretary of State of West Virginia.

I studied political science under Ken Hechler at Marshall University in the 1980's.

I was also interviewed by Bob Smith of WGNT/WOWK channel 13 in Huntington, West Virginia, for the Hearst scholarship.

Marshall University is located in Huntington, West Virginia, which was the center of the Kennedy 1960 primary election effort, and was the place where the Chicago cash was shared out to the county sheriffs for Kennedy..........

Thanks Lee,

this is more evidence of advance knowledge on the part of the government

and again shows an INSTITUTIONAL failure to protect the President.

Since things are quiet (and silly) around here I will tell you all the story of

SHANET CLARK'S TRIP TO THE CIA

In 1979 I was one of one hundred (two from every state) high school students selected as a William Randolph Hearst United States Senate Youth Scholar.

We traveled to Washington DC, for a week, that spring.

Mrs. Randolph Hearst (Patricia's mother, I believe) greeted us and we stayed at the Mayflower Hotel. As official Senate scholars we spent time with US Senators, and had a full schedule of events. We went to briefings at the PENTAGON, the WAR COLLEGE, Foggy Bottom (the State Department HQ), Justice, the Supreme Court (Thurgood Marshall spoke to us) and the White House. Jimmy Carter was scheduled to address us, but was busy with the Iranian hostage situation, and a speech writer filled in. I have a nice photo of me with BIRCH BAYH, and another one with JENNINGS RANDOLPH and ROBERT BYRD.

One day we all went to Langley, Virginia for a session at the CIA headquarters.

They checked our ID's at the door and we were ushered into an auditorium. It was very fancy, a perfect geodesic dome, trimmed in black and white.

The chairs were black Corinthian leather, and we were very comfortable.

A Public Relations officer of the CIA took the podium, with a more senior office of to one side with Mrs. Hearst. Some general remarks were made, which I would categorize as innocuous and we were, indirectly of course, recruited.

At the question and answer period, I rose from my seat and was recognized.

"Is it true that in the early 1960's a decision was made to place a portable radar installation on the Chinese Indian border along the Himalayan Mountains? Isn't it true that the CIA sent mountain climbers to the Himalayan border area with a portable radar set powered by the heat released by a plutonium device? And isn't it also true that the team returned a year later and could not find the device, as it had been lost in an avalanche of some sort? And isn't it also true that the PLUTONIUM has not been recovered and is now melting its way deeper into the snow at the headwaters of the Ganges River, where it will affect the health of billions of people?" That was the question I asked.

The young CIA public relations officer at the podium there at CIA headquarters looked quite shocked and was, in fact, stunned into silence.

The older CIA officer walked to the podium, frowning slightly at Mrs. Randolph Hearst.

"You, young man, have very good sources of intelligence. The situation you describe is basically true, although the nation of India has taken full responsibilty for this in a 1964 treaty."

So thats the way I was then, and that's the way I am now..........