Shanet Clark

RE: TIM GRATZ

We all wondered what Gratz, the "critical reporter" was doing in Madison Wisconsin back in the day....now we know.....he was a henchman of Donald Segretti, Karl Rove and various authorized dirty tricksters......Tim Gratz was the guy infiltrating a liberal college town and getting mixed up with the whole ARTHUR BREMER COLSON SEGRETTI WH OPERATION.

You have definitely been tumbled, Tim.

All your bonhomie and bombast won't get you out of this one, fellow member.

You know all this along, that YOU YOURSELF was a published figure in the PLUMBERS 1972 disruptions and agents provocateur actions

{Culminating in the shooting of GEORGE WALLACE, Tim?}

You should have come clean long ago, the cover up establishes the error, once again.

No more Castro did it theories, okay?

No more KGB killed JFK windbag schemes, okay?

No more world exclusives based on the obscene ramblings of Gerry Hemmings, Okay?

Sayonara baby

Peter Rodino, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee who presided over the impeachment proceedings against Nixon, died on Monday, aged 95.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrodino.htm

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Thanks, John.

Peter Rodino was a major figure in Watergate, and as House Judiciary chairman he established the rule of constitutional law and representative oversight, in the case of Richard Nixon.

I wondered what a "critical reporter" was doing in Madison Wisconsin back in the day....now we know.....he was a henchman of Donald Segretti, Karl Rove and various authorized dirty tricksters......Tim Gratz was the guy infiltrating a liberal college town and getting mixed up with ARTHUR BREMER.

You have definitely been tumbled, Tim.

All your bonhomie and bombast won't get you out of this one, fellow member.

You know all this along, that YOU YOURSELF was a published figure in the PLUMBERS 1972 disruptions and agents provocateur actions

{Culminating in the shooting of GEORGE WALLACE, Tim?}

You should have come clean long ago, the cover up establishes the error, once again.

No more Castro did it theories, okay?

No more KGB killed JFK windbag schemes, okay?

No more world exclusives based on the obscene ramblings of Gerry Hemmings, Okay?

Sayonara baby

Pat Gray was in an impossible position. The Attorney General 9Katzenbach was a loyal appointee recently replacing John Mitchell, and Hoover had died.

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Just to keep our marginal attorneys general straight, it was the other K, Kleindienst. Katzenbach was Johnson' stooge.

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Good catch, Pat, I always get Kalmbach, Katzenbach and Kleindienst mixed up.

In reading Stanley Kutlers ABUSE OF POWER, it is very clear that Nixon sent Dean to Tom Pappas and a phony Cuban Committee for the hush money during the

Cancer on the Presidency" conversation.

Kalmbach and LaRue were the principle bag men for the Hush Money.

This whole thing on Arthur Bremer also sheds light on Nixon's concerns about Colson and Hunt.

It looks like Nixon had advance knowledge on COlson and Hunt's activities relative to Arthur Bremer and the pivotal GEORGE WALLACE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT

You can find all the information I have on Arthur Bremer here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbremer.htm

It seems to me that the removal of George Wallace from the 1972 presidential campaign was far more important than bugging Larry O’Brien’s phone. At the time Wallace was polling 21% of the vote.

I have long suspected that the Watergate break-in was not real reason why Nixon was being blackmailed. Was this just Hunt’s way of applying pressure on both Nixon and the CIA? It was only when they murdered his wife did he realize that this time he had taken on more than he could cope with.

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Thanks John

I have long heard rumors about Artie Bremer, the Watergate characters and an illegal search/planting trip to his apartment after the near fatal shooting of George Wallace.

Reading Abuse of Power by Stanley Kutler, I noticed Nixon's principle area of concern when he talked to Dean and Haldeman in March 1973, was Colson.

Colson and Hunt had been involved in bigger things than Watergate, or Ellsburg's psychiatrist's office burglary.

And this is it. The Colson/Bremer link, known to Nixon, and that fear was

captured on tape.

Also "Tom Pappas,"" the Greeks," and a phony "Cuban Committee" was the first place Nixon suggested Dean look for hush money for Hunt and the Cuban burglars.

{And as far as Tim Gratz, this is very sad. He participated in some typical YAF gung-ho College GOP stuff thirty years ago, and maybe he's still the clip/file watchdog for the "alternative press".

TIM GRATZ theory of Castro and the KGB killing Kennedy is absurd, and his sources, Angleton and Helms via Trento are abysmal .......

Great thread

Good mix of facts, theory, narrative and analysis.

McCloy, as head of Military Intelligence in world War II would have a strange idea about the proper balance of powers and the status quo of military versus civilian power. Strategic and defense intelligence classification priorities would open them up to EXECUTIVE SANCTION scenarios and DOMESTIC DENIABLE programs.

When you say that McCloy and Ed Walker and Max Taylor all had access to the Italian Duce Mannleicher Carcano fascist guard rifles, I think this may be the pivotal fact at the heart of the trail to our JFK ASSASSIN ambush and frame up originators......>>>>>>>>>>>

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Stan

Perhaps the better question would be, "Who would know that "they" would send anybody to clover it up?"

I did not begin reading the Warren Report as a skeptic but became one the more I read. As I said in an earlier post there were, in my opinion, two seperate crimes: the assassination and the cover up. Because the second happened as a result of the first does not mean that the same people participated in both as most people tend to believe.

If Oswald had been used as an intelligence asset by any department of the US government there would, arguably, be a reason to cover up that relationship in the same way that a group involved in a coup would want the assassination covered up. It is, in my belief, that in the first case you would have a McCloy and a Dulles willing to participate out of a duty to the nation while in the second case I believe they would be the last people that would want to be involved.

This is what is so intriguing about their participation. Dulles and McCloy were Cold Warriors, as such there participation is perdictable.

Perhaps a slanted historical perspective can be given that could help to explain my position. After the bombing of Coventry during World War II Winston Churchill had his picture taken in the ruins of the famous cathederal. Years later, after the death of Churchill, we learn that there is a good possibility that the British had information (because they were reading the German Codes) that could have been used to evacuate the city and save thousands of civilian lives. Problem was, if they did evacuate the city the Germans might have realized their codes were compromised. I believe that by having his picture taken at that moment in time, Churchill was allowing history to know that it was his decision to keep the information from the public for the greater good of the war effort and history would pass a positive judgement upon him.

Knowledge of the codes or no knowledge of the codes the bombing was going to occur and the war was going to continue. Loss of the "Ultra Secrete" could have ment loss of the war. The Warren Commission could not change the fact that Kennedy had been assassinated. Perhaps they, or at least two, believed they could still use the event to protect a front in the Cold War.

Was this action predictable? Perhaps by the "big fish."

Jim Root

You all messing up my thread, dudes.

Porter Goss wants to move the CIA out to damn Denver.

You know, Denver, where the Pentagon isn't,

where the Chinese Embassy isn't,

where the White House and foreign consulates aren't,

where foreign diplomats don't stay

when they are in the United States.

I think it is a fabulous idea, maybe the best one since hiring Dr. Sandoz.

What will they leave behind by accident?

The operational files for the 2004 election?

William Colby's last will and testament?

The Zapruder negative?

Osama bin Laden's cell phone and dialysis machine?

What will be left in the old corporate offices

after the super flashy transition to new digs in Bronco Town?

Robert Novak's security clearance?

Excellent points Mark.

I would note that the propaganga devices were used and then fell apart upon closer scrutiny.

Oswald's Sovietism.

Oswald's Pro Castroism.

Oswald's Backyard photos.

Oswald's Attempt of General Edwin Walker.

Oswalds distance from intelligence and FBI handlers (deMorenschildt, and Hosty)

His guilt looked compelling in the context of the national tragedy but barely survived 1964 or the Johnson administration.

Thank goodness for Mark Lane and others who could recognize the problems early.

Charlie,

Great post. I suppose it's easy to be wise after the event, but it's truly amazing that the DPD, FBI and Secret Service were allowed to get away with such behavior in the aftermath of the assassination. My favorite was D.A. Henry Wade stating on November 24 that Jack Ruby should be awarded a medal for shooting LHO. This should have resulted in his immediate dismissal from office.

It proves that the assassination was engineered domestically, does anyone really  think the machinery of natural justice would be so willingly sabotaged on orders from afar ? The DPD were being fed a line and they obeyed. They couldn't have seriously been conducting an investigation that way--nobody could be that dumb. The most disturbing thing was the way the media failed to analyse the circumstances surrounding the assassination.

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Porter Goss has announced he wishes to uproot the CIA from its Langley HQ outside of Wahington, DC and move the Agency to new offices in Denver, Colorado.

Your tax dollars at work....Shanet

..........maybe change the carpet, paint, hang some pictures, but DENVER?.......

Shanet wrote:

Nobody on this Forum has called Pat Gray smart!

Perhaps not a nice thing to say but as someone who has read several books about Watergate, I do not recall any historian or contemporary who characterized Gray as "smart".  Loyal, yes; smart, no.

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Thanks Tim.

Members:

The argument over Hunt's safe is one of those things that indicts Dean, of course. His criminal misbehavior here is manifest, and it plays into the hands of proponents of the prostitution scenario, i.e., he sanitized the safe concerning the trick book.

Pat Gray was in an impossible position. The Attorney General 9Katzenbach was a loyal appointee recently replacing John Mitchell, and Hoover had died. The contest over Hoover's private files probably didn't go the way the top FBI aides to Hoover wanted, and Sullivan was also to die.....Gray did what he did, he destroyed evidence that came out of Howard Hunt's White House safe......Dean must have told him to do it, and that the President wanted it done, capiche?

Sociological, Class, Regional and Generational Critiques of

Corporate / Government Accomodations:

Where Is Power Found and Wielded, and At What Cost?

by D. Shanet Clark

I. Politics

The question is not indeed what is wrong with Kansas, or what is wrong with the red states, or the United States, that is in many ways the wrong question for a political historian to ask when looking at U.S. history and the late twentieth century political trends and traditions. The question surely is this: what elements of political theory can we engage critically for the common good, what is manifestly possible for a historical political discourse?

We ask, who benefits and who wields power?

How are structures balanced, and what countervailing structural balances are available? How are countervailing structural checks are employed? Are they employed?

Who rules? What are the rules and what role can an individual play?

What individuals do wield power? These are not rhetorical questions, these are the vital issues that drive political discourse and historic analyses. What machinery has been developed to distribute advantages in society? And then, what is the interplay between economic and governmental interests? How are they addressed by populations and to what degree is critical oversight forcefully employed in reforming the vital organisms of civil government? If you ask yourself these questions today you might be surprised at how far the political locomotive has strayed from its constitutional tracks, and you may be embarrassed for that country, that country that confuses “rightist,” “white-ist,” and “me-first-itis” with compassion, oversight and a vision for the future of the planet.

The reversal of the meaning of “Liberal” is axiomatic in Louis Hartz’s theory.

The meaning of “Conservative” reversed itself as well. Conservator, preservator and small government fiscal overseer, that role (and self image) is out of fashion for today’s self styled “conservative.” Public Christian, hypocrite and “inside the beltway” big spender and just a pure tool of corporate messages and agendas, that is in faasion for “conservatives” these days.

It goes back to the days of Ronald Reagan on the road for GE, and Dick Nixon running the big Johnson government, the benefits still continue to flow to the political elites that receive federal, state, county and local largesse and the corporate and private family interests that receive governmental quasi-legal indulgences, reprieves, tips and leads in their struggle for liberal bourgeois acquisitions.

The interplay of these forces is the heart of American political theory and the purpose of critical approaches is to effect change in this very arena, i.e., civic oversight.

Certain theoretical constructs are entertained by Michael Kazin, Lawrence Goodwyn, Robert Weibe, Mary P. Ryan which also address these questions, but fundamental issues are ignored by each and all of these. Issues of generational and regional geographic distributions of ideas still affect political theory, first of all.

II. Sociology

Ideas of social class as developed by Max Weber and later in the 20th century by Pierre Bourdieu are lacking, for instance. Liesure class theory and the reproduction of elite advantages in the school system is overlooked in these works. While the debate over populism retains its cogency and relevance, the debate over class and sociological self image is not expressed by these writers.

Sociology can shed light on history and politics, economics and philosophical arenas; the self image of the various players in society informs political beliefs, behaviour and cognition of political messages.

Traditional American political theory has celebrated checks and balances, judicial oversight and the defense of minority interests via structural accommodations and systemic limits. Issues of authenticity, legitimacy and timeless constitutional standards are stressed by this mainstream, if not consensus, group.

European cultural approaches, including the work of Edward Said, Pierre Bourdieu, Max Weber and Jergen Habermas now add weight to the critical methods of American political theory. This includes language and discourse analysis, intended to penetrate the hermeneutical practices of socialization, the process where the ego internalizes (to a greater or lesser degree) the norms of the family, immediately seen contemporaries, and distant elites. One’s distance from the non-elites in remote regions is likely to be the weakest link in an American political theorist’s cogitations. For this reason, international, offshore, foreign and alien interests are most likely to be those traded away in any political settlement, the interests of foreign nationals carries a low or negative valence and the class and cultural gulf makes fair transactions unlikely. While foreign, alien and offshore elite political and economic standard bearers may negotiate with American corporate and state/civil entities with some degree of leverage and legitimacy, the actual fate and lifeways of non-elite foreign, alien international players are not of any interest in the decision making process whatsoever. Costs are passed on to less developed populations within the United States as well.

Urban areas and largely black and Hispanic areas are deprived of mass transit support, or new housing patterns, suffer unchecked housing displacement, full blown demolitions style “urban renewal” and housing “projects” being neither benign, nor neglectful, but a negative and destructive pair of forces, imposed Federal corporate norms upon hapless urban political units, those of the lowest economic and aesthetic order, (who paradoxically led the art and literate movements). Jane Jacobs approach to urban harmony and political settlements at the local level was the antithesis of American political efforts for planning the Stalinist architectural styles of the federal interstate and downtown planners. When her book overturned that mindset, the WW Rostow approach, the approach of the Nixon and Reagan years, came into the light of urban studies and caused a reaction. Cities are better, now, many of them, because planners know the political theories underpinning Jane Jacobs championing of Greenwich Village.

Non-reciprocal socio/economic settlements also haunted and degraded the Ohio Valley and Appalachian mountain communities, America’s domestic interior communities can suffer third-world, neo-colonial style deprivations. Extractive coal and chemical companies (“foreign owned” relative to native West Virginians) pursue the natural resources at low cost. While they privatize the profits, they socialize the costs. Slurry mounds, gaseous and liquid effluvients and stripped mountain rock burden yields up energy profits for the multinationals and large US coal and chemical companies, the pollution, fallout, slag, slurry and groundwater destruction is socialized in such a way to strike the costs off of the corporate account books, pass them briefly through state/civil entities and force the unreckoned costs onto non elite, non self conscious “lower class” populations. Both the elites and the unfortunate locals see this clearly. The cultural capital, literacy and assertive verbal skills that are de rigeur for the corporate ownership and management class is taken for granted as the standard for civil behaviour. The rural and urban denizens of the coal and chemical corridor are fully cognizant of their relative lack of cultural polish, articulateness and ability to command the attention of the rich and powerful. So social class is not only assigned demographically as an objective category based on race, earnings, housing and education levels; it is internalized, the gradations by every member, some “feel” a little higher than their economic figures would show, and some cling to an outsider mentality long after they have risen past the economic median thresholds into the middle class.

II. Political Economy

Politically this translates into greater consolidation of power, self congratulatory behavior on the part of elites and their generations of offspring. Meaanwhile we see powerless rage and unhealthy behavioural patterns of hopelessness and unemployment by the generational offsprings of the non-elites. As Weber and Bourdieu show cogently, they recognize their position on the power and reception spectrum, and they do not usually teach their children to rise above their level, although individuals are always to make exceptions for themselves in the bourgeois liberal pursuit common to the American self image projection model, the Horatio Alger, native talent, hard work and merit, delusion.

This translates into a number of fault lines in the recent political history of the United States. Upper middle class youth rise to positions of elite status primarily by joining forces with corporate interests, those that are actually anathema to the greater share of their regional political population. Attorneys who fight off civil suits from the lung- and brain- damaged chemical corridor residents are an easy product of this algebra. Lobbyists who negotiate mineral rights and eminent domain, mineral corporations that spend millions of dollars to sink objective judges in favor of corporately screened individual. When coal strip mining regulations were recently re-written to allow larger creeks and streams to be destroyed and toxically reduced, the local or “third world” denizens of West Virginia, “the Hillbilly’s in the Hollers” bore the brunt of the new toxic local water and disgorged petrochemical effluvia.

If this is a typical scenario for the United States domestically, when energy corporations and local political and economics clash, then how much less the denizens of developing countries fare in the calculus of accommodation. Who sets the parameters? Certainly not the indigenes. Not the local merchant or educated class. Those with the vessels of power do not care for rural Haitians or Guatamalans or Mexicans, and these interests are wholly ignored in the corporate / civil accommodations between American and American-influenced political entities, and their corporate sponsors.

IIII. Civil Oversight

Multinational corporate mergers and acquisitions are now wholly rampant, unchecked—as Mobil Exxon devours Unocal, we see that the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, which promises Federal countervailing action against corporate mergers “in restraint of trade” is a dead letter, moot, mute and kaputt.

With corporate lobbyists occupying the offices of Interior, EPA and state and local planning and preservation offices, the triumph of the anti-New Dealers is evident. We see the clock on anti-trust, social security, deficits and regulated companies turn back to that dangerous time of October, 1929 to March, 1933, when Hoover was a lame duck,

No longer will the government intercede for the minority interest, or flex a muscle in pursuit of the greater common good, conservation or sensible transitions in military and industrial strategic norms. In 1960 President Eisenhower warned of a “Military Industrial Complex” being the greatest domestic threat to the US polity.

With the Soviet Union gone, U.S defence spending rises? Intelligence spending and outrageous Cold War missile, fighter, helicopter and high tech robot army spending geometrically expands? While the beneficiaries and recipients, Martin, Marietta, Lockheed, combine into great consolidated behemoths, General Dynamics Raytheon and Boeing Grumman, with a political agenda that not only sits on the table it covers the table and allows for no alternate, no oversight, no civilian caveats or balanced budgets.

Civil government depends primarily on civil oversight and an educated public using the forces available within the governmental structures to right wrongs and remediate damages. Corporate multinational lobbying ang legal efforts, when sponsored by conservative pro-business majorities in the Senate, House and Presideency threaten the very existence of the planet and the life of rural freedom and liberty and urban minority interests protected by the organic state papers, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

Shanet Clark, Georgia State University History Department 2005

Maybe Meatloaf and Woody Harrelson can get together and make a movie about their  dads' role in the assassination, with a cameo by Ricky White.

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I am a working historian. In my graduate seminar work, I wrote a historiography (history of the history) of Watergate. Stanley Kutler is the leader in the academic study of Watergate, and I am reading his book right now, Abuse of Power. I have read all the principle memoirs and transcripts, and can answer basic questions.

Students are welcome to email me at:

shanetclark@yahoo.com

Watergate is only a short hand term for the abuses of power 1969-1974. Nixon was impeached by the House for abusing the IRS and paying "hush money" and he resigned before the Senate could convict him in an impeachment trial. It has great usefulness as a tool to approach Presidential, Congressional, Judiciary and media in the US...............

Shanet Clark

Woodruff Fellow of History

Georgia State University, Atlanta USA

Very interesting article about Gaeton Fonzi's work with the House Select Committee on Assassinations can be found here:

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=32541

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Gaeton Fonzi seems to be very vigilant when it comes to the terrorist Carriles.

The motive is applied onto Oswald, you see.

Lee never says, "Hey I am overthrowing the capitalist aristocracy"

He says, "I work in that building...I am a patsy....I havent' been charged with that"

and then he tries to call John B. Hurt.

The motive comes when you see the pictures and read the biography, you see, it was constructed around him. Minsk, Communist, guns, attempted suicide and the kicker, the "attack" on Edwin Walker.

Walker put his neck out for that one but it was essential to the frame.

This is the team that put the frame in place and it lead back to the military army staff and joint chiefs, who ran the military side of the joint agencies........

Oswald was a constructed communist, a burn card from the bottom of the deck called "ONI losers" he had defected and DEFECTED BACK.

If he had said "I did it for the REVOLUTION" then he would be consistent, as it is he is not alone, he is not a nut, and he is not a gumnan..........

Great stuff John, this guy is a real conspirator.

John J. McCloy was also the lead attorney for the Oil Cartel, or Seven Sisters.

He lobbied the Federal Government and other international interests for the good of the Mobil Gulf Texaco Esso group. (That in Samson, Seven Sisters 1977)

What we are really talking about is large scale domestic and foreign NAZI rapproachemant. The Lucius Clay to John J. McCloy handoff was at the height of illegal infiltration and exfiltration of OLD NAZIS.

An ugly tale but only too true, the official Army History I read in the early nineties spelled out operation DUSTBIN where patents were subject to industrial espionage and US military confiscation, ASHCAN, where scientists were de briefed, and brought to work in the corporate, university and military labs in the states.

The whole operation was usually called PAPERCLIP, and you can see how easily and often it was abused (if you accept it was legitimate at all).

The debriefing and political de-Nazification process held sometimes had to make way for intelligence and military security "Exceptions"

An otherwise guilty Nazi would have some anti-communist files, or have a connection to heavy industry, a coal gasification plan or a nuclear equation, and he would pass throug interrogation and political screening under ASHCAN or DUSTBIN. Once the program got rolling, guys like McCloy, Wisner or Alan Dulles could send through agents with the murkiest records and wretched prospects.

McCloy had oversight of this.

The worst aspect was that the agencies and corporations like GULF and DUPONT had the Nazis working for them in the 1950s and 1960s. General John Vilikashvili's father came through in this program.

Numbers? More material is coming out about PAPERCLIP/DUSTBIN

750 used to be the high number the Army would admit to in the War College papers. Bo Gritz claimed 20,000 old Nazis came to the states.

I do know that AGFA BAYER GAF BASF HOESCHT

the combine known in the Weimar and Nazi era as IG FARBEN

was rescuscitated rapidly and the germans went back to chemical industry parity with British ICI and US DUPONT NEMOURS

I see old Nazis here in this drug and farm chemical home product industry

and especially in engineering, specifically defense engineering.

Was it linked to Dallas? Dulles and McCloy's world view was so bent by Berlin aand the OPERATION PAPERCLIP, I think that their vision of executive power and intelligence prerogatives made Dallas thinkable...............

John Jay McCloy is indeed an interesting figure. McCloy was president of the World Bank (1947-49) before replacing Lucius Clay, as High Commissioner for Germany. In 1951 he controversially ordered the release from prison of German industrialists such as Alfried Krupp and Friedrich Flick that had been convicted of serious war crimes at Nuremberg.

After leaving Germany in 1953 McCloy was chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank (1953-60) and the Ford Foundation (1958-65). He was also an arms advisor to President John F. Kennedy and was largely responsible for the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

Why did he arrange the release of war criminals like Krupp and Flick? They were both extremely wealthy men.

With the help of his American lawyer, Earl J. Carroll, Krupp's property, valued at around 45 million, and his numerous companies were also restored to him. Within a few years of his release Krupp's company was the 12th largest corporation in the world.

By 1955 Flick owned over 100 companies with an annual turnover of two billion dollars. Flick was reported to be the richest man in Germany and the fifth-richest man in the world.

I have wondered if Krupp and Flick purchased their freedom from McCloy. Was this money then used to fund right-wing covert activities? After the end of the Marshall Plan the CIA was short of money for carrying out these activities (people like Frank Wisner and Richard Bissell had got most of this money after the war by taking it from Marshall Plan funds).

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccloyJ.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWkruppA.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERflickF.htm

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There is a lot of material on the web concerning Project Jennifer.

I googled GLOMAR HUGHES and found a ton of conventional material.

Thanks

Nobody on this Forum has called Pat Gray smart!

The operational files for the Plumbers are the tactical notebooks I referred to.

That would include material on the burglary and file theft at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office. The Liddy Plans for the Democratic Convention. Gemstone, Diamond Head, Topaz and Ruby, the Liddy Plan that Mitchell, Dean and Magruder gave some hedging assent to while giving him $250,000 dollars.

So the Plumbers papers were probably there.

Gemstone and the White House connected burglary and arson files, probably some good Bebe Rebozo material, cash, some Helms material, some speed, maybe a file on the prostitution ring that John Paisley ran observation on, IDA WELLS desk keys, LARRY OBRIENS keys, a few transmitters and receivers with batteries and a bottle of Canadian Blend.

LUCKY LYNDON JUNIOR

JAY BERT PECK

John

That is very interestering... Colson and Hunt must have had some strong motivation to interced into this, without real motivaton that was a political mistake!

Although I am coming over to believe that a great many people spent the spring of 1972 trying to drag some very ugly carcasses into the CREEP/GOP premises. They were either highly motivated by shadowy reasons (money/Vietnam/Dallas) or they were crazy, loco, stupido (this is the consensus view) or they were just following orders from Nixon, Haldeman and Mitchell, the executives.

After the Admiral Moorer Yeoman Radford Joint Chiefs of Staff Spy Ring rocked the NIXON WHITE HOUSE you have to look at the relationship between the Military and the civilian leadership. The Military initiated joint operations in the 1960s and 1970s, even more than the CIA did.

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Al Haig is my choice for DEEP THROAT and chief beneficiary of Military White House power re distribution crisis, which is what happened in 1973-74..........

On 15th May, 1972, Arthur Bremer attempted to assassinate George Wallace. It is claimed in All The President's Men (page 326-7) that William Bittman told Bob Woodward that Charles Colson ordered E. Howard Hunt to break into Bremer's apartment to remove incriminating documents. This took place at the same time that the 'Plumbers' were trying to cause problems for Democrat candidates for president. I wonder what documents Colson was concerned about.

According to Howard Simons of The Washington Post, the assassination of Wallace could have been the "ultimate dirty trick".

It was reported by the FBI that when they searched Bremer's apartment they found both left-wing and right-wing propaganda. It was reported by local journalists that the FBI took an hour and a half to seal Bremer's apartment. It was claimed that during this period several documents were removed from the apartment.

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JIM ROOT

Congratulations, that is a very cogent protrayal of your approach. Your theory is the more compelling one, and this executive relationship with Walker by Taylor is the Key.

The Key is the Walker attempt, as you know.

When we talk about Marina, we are talking Baron George DeMorenschildt.

Her testimony is nearly worth something, but not really.

No one who has read LEGEND believes that DeMorenschidlt wasn't handling her, and LHO as a side interest to Marina.

LHO had other handlers, very detatched, who built a communist, and a psychopath, from scratch. I don't call him the Angleton ORCHID MAN, I call him

a burn card

a carefully coached and prompted counterintelligence PLANT sent over to the other side, as a minor minor program in the great big COLD WAR.

When David Ferrie and the research stringer model ran out, LHO was a hand made home grown, domestically made COMMUNIST. So it was perfest, you take the infantile product of this ONI (Marini intelligents) oxymoronic counter defector program, this sworn communist/ trusted flunky and put him

in the bookstore with the italian rifle

at the correct time and the rest is a done deal, so yes I think the 1959 defection at Helsinki is a very cogent angle of approach.

This is not a lone gunman approach, I know I am looking at OSWALD as a less than fully witting frame up type participant.

THrowing this MI6 Admiralty Joint chiefs/joint agency focus on OSWALD is

important and key to the whole thing.

I am following up on the Fletcher Prouty material, Tosh Plumlee's affadavit and the the ambuscade program of Al Currier.

Jim Root's theory forms a large part of my traditional suspicions and current thinking...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Lucky Lyndon Junior Jay Bert Peck

tim

good point today.

the pro cuban independence group of legitimately alienated Cuban Americans did see a great opportunity and closest ally with JFK.

How much that supports your theory, though, I am not sure.

The variety and range of political spectrum about Cuban American community makes it hard to isolate true threads.

USA groups had all the bases covered, lots of manipulation and switching sides. Good opportunity for some very ugly combinations.

Original off shore interests, caribean drugs, etc, trafficante and paid agency pilots and pr men, so, the real sense of loss that these core mainstream people had shows a manipulation, against legitimat US Cuban community interests ........thanks

best wishes

[quote=Tim Gratz,May 2 2005, 08:19 AM]

Thanks, Ron, I stand corrected. But my point remains the same that Castro clearly benefited (gained) from the assassination and that those who assert he had nothing to gain are clearly wrong. I think a reply to this could be how could Castro know before the assassination that he would fare better under LBJ than under JFK. But since he knew that JFK and RFK were planning a second invasion and the CIA was planning yet another assassination attempt against him, he really had little to lose, regardless of the unccertainty of his "gain". And it is interesting that exile leaders such as Artime and Oveida immediately recognized after the assassination that their hopes for a free Cuba died with JFK. How did they know that? If we could answer that question we would probably know why Castro himself believed he would benefit from "regime change" in the US.

Stan

I don't agree.

Look at the profiles. They match the head-on shots.

Its the same petty criminal, one as a teen age car thief type mug and another of a man in his late thirties early forties getting mugged for the hundredth time after doing time and living on the lamb.

His features, what we call the FORWARD ASPECT of Braden's face changed in the interim period, but this is a match.

His youthful aspects disappeared, and he took on a middle aged facial slump.

He lost a lot of hair, his head is at a different angle--also his nose appears larger in the early one and is faint in the senior photo.

It shows what a difficult and EASILY MANIPULATED thing photographic identity is.

Thanks for the posts, this looks like the guy in Dealey Plaza with the hat, don't you think? I mean we know Braden got picked up around 1 pm at the Dal Tex and gave a bull3433 story to the Dallas cops about using the phone.

Who was the gentleman who was apprehended with Braden at the Dal Tex on 11/22/63? His story mimics and impugns Braden Brading's story, doesn't it? The fact that both of them gave sketchy staged answers that were the same show them to be false and mutually coached.

That gentlemen, no matter what name he gave the Dallas Police, was Ted Shackley.

What we had at the Dal Tex building was an old school mafia gunman paired with a CIA wet ops honcho, in a H.L.Hunt owned building, known to the Feds for its Uranium Management Company. The Dallas Textile Building brings the mafia and the agencies into the actual triangulation.

Charles Harrelson and Chauncey Holt form another team, with a Rubyesque mafioso paired with a trained ops guy. Although he resembles Howard Hunt, and Howard Hunt is otherwise implicated, I don't think Howard Hunt was walked across Dealey Plaza at 2:45 by the cops....it was ID and radio ops man Chauncey Holt with Harrelson, and Frenchie, whom I do not know to ID.

Was Braden with TED SHACKLEY?

That seemed to be in the lookalike files.....

Lucky Lyndon Junior Jay Bert Peck

[Roger

Great Facts and Pictures!

Thanks for the new material.Two comments

It shows a steady degradation of Liggets mind, the 1974 attack and the sexual rage cases seem to be linked to his anxiety on the heels of 11/22/63 and the clean up through 1969. By the mid 1970s He wanted to be caught, thought himselves to be invincible, etc., and all of this is the stress of killing people, like JAY BERT PECK, but the life altering experience of prying the the parietal bone up out of Kennedy's temple, reconstructing the forehead )forward entry wound and generally digging lead out of the dead President.

Ligget's death was a classic switcheroo protection program program.

His own wife and daughter finger him working in Las Vegas AFTER his death......

He may be still out there (creepy thought)

To me the Carousel group, Ruby and the Liggets, show the agencies willingness to engage petty criminals to get there domestic work done and maintain some deniability.

They would use these guys, they would rise in a bourgeouise capital society no questions asked, the stress would get too much and the violent and suggestible personality which the agencies liked when they were young later will drive them deeper into irrational behavior, the arson of 1974, in this case.

In other words the murder of JAY BERT PECK in 1969 was policy, but the fire was just pure sociopathic breakdown, which is the natural social penalty for government domestic programs that used these guys

Ligget, Liggett and Ruby had abig inpact on Lois Liggett and I see no reason to call her a xxxx now, I think she showed civic courage when she appeared and really could not have made it up....strong women appeared on TMWKK to tell the truth, thirty years on.

Stephen

Thanks for putting some thoughful analysis out there for the members to consider.

I appreciate the real courage that takes.

Also, it brought respected member Jack White out of hiding.

As the "Magic Christian" Guy Grand used to say in the Terry Southern novel:

"Lets make it a little hot for them"

Cheers to all, thanks for the great FORUM.

Heres a bit I found online:

THE CONTENTS: (AMERICAN WING)

Ark of the Covenant

100 MPG Carburetor

3 Martian War Machines

Parts of a cut up UFO from "My Science Project"

Smashed pieces of the time gizmo from "The Philedelphia Experiment"

Engine that runs on tap water

A whole bunch of perpetual motion devices.

The dead aliens from a crippled UFO the gov't captured.

Several Elvis clones awaiting activation (might be ElvisDroids).

Hundred of huge crates marked with the name Craig Shergold (containing Business cards and getwell cards by the million).

H.G. Wells' working time machine from "Time After Time"

The UFO that purportedly crashed in the early '50s in New Mexico

Evidence providing the TRUE story of the Kennedy assassination

Judge Crater

What's left of Flight 19

All of the oddball geological findings that never seem to get displayed in museums, including:

The lump of coal with a spark plug in it

The piece of sandstone containing human footprints

The dinosaur skull with a bullet hole in it

A lead-into-gold device

A small prototype nuclear fusion plant

the Ghostbusters' proton packs

Excalibur

The steel that the T1000 fell into

Microscope slide labeled "Turin Shroud section No. 325", with piece of material reading "Made In Korea" in tiny letters

Thunderbird 9

The Wild Card virus (Xenovirus Takis-A)

The contents of a house previously owned by the Adams family

The contents of a house previously owned by the Munster family

An formula/equation that allows for the creation of negative-life energy

A large canvas parchment detailing the location of irregularities in the time/space continuum

A collection of psychological reports detailing various conditions including: acute paranoia, acute schizophenia, profound catatonia, various phobias, et.al. All the patients have at one time or another analyzed the Necronomicon

A copy of "Radioactive Man", issue #1

A collection of coronary reports detailing various suicides and particularly violent and/or gory unsolved homicides. All the victims had at one time or another analyzed the Necronomicon

A statue of a monster of vaguely humanoid outline, but with an octopuslike head whose face is a mass of tentacles, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, claws on its hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings

An authorization for the assassination of Norma Jean Baker. It is signed by President John F. Kennedy and is dated 4 August 1962

A gun recovered from a grassy knoll in Dallas, Texas by CIA agents on 22 November 1963

Several test tubes filled with swine flu

A scabbard which prevents its wearer from being cut and will keep anyone alive, no matter how bad the wound

A machine that allows emotions and all other sensations to be recorded by one person and that can be played back and experienced by a second party. There are several tapes including: water slide, carnal relations, surfing, and heart attack

Shakespeare's lost play. It is titled THE TRAGORICAL HISTORY OF KING ARTHUR

The Tarnhelm

A plain gold ring. Unknown script appears on the inside when the ring is heated suffiently. Properties recorded include, but are not limited to: Invisibility of wearer, extreme age-retardation of bearer, and a profoundly increased degree of powerlust in the wearer. The bearer also becomes extremely reluctant to surrender the ring

A rope that cannot be broken with traces of wolf hair found on it

A primitive yet working subspace radio. It is composed of a record player, a sawblade with holes punched in it, a fork, aluminum foil, an umbrella, and a Texas Instrument See and Spell. The characters it transmits have yet to be deciphered. It was found on a small hill

Reeses Pieces with extraterrestrial bacteria on them. Found on same hill as the subspace radio

A large stone tablet, reconstructed from pieces, with writing on it. It is Hebrew and has Commandments 11 through 17

Definitive proof that the Illuminati exist and their plans to control the world. It is sealed in a safe with an eye superimposed on a pyramid

Papers showing that professional wrestling is real

Documentation revealing that in exchange for scientific advances, the government provides UFO's with human beings for unknown reasons

Evidence suggesting that officials took bribes from concerned Arab oil men to sabotage cold fusion experiments

One cyanide laden apple with a bite taken out of it

One glass slipper

Several beans with amazing growth potential

One red riding hood, slightly bloody

90 yards of golden blonde hair

A house made out of stale candy

Evidence showing that the reason JFK didn't support the Bay of Pigs Invasion was that the Illuminati threatened to expose several scandals if he did

A stuffed Ravenous BugBlatter Beast of Traal

Confirmed photo of Adolf Hitler living high on the hog in Argentina

Confirmed photo of Adolf Hitler breaking a glass with his foot in his marraige ceremony to Eva Braun

Several volumes with the title WHAT THE SHADOW KNOWS

Proof that President Bush chose Quayle as his running mate to prevent future assassination attempts

Equipment recovered from the laboratory of Dr. Frankenstein

Papers showing that the Mafia was created by the government in order to keep the citizenry in line

A formula by one Dr. Griffin

Information that says that the Illuminati sabotaged the Iran hostage rescue mission so that they could put a puppet president in office. They succeeded with flying colors

A map to the Fountain of Youth and its guard, Ponce de Leon

Methusela

A blackboard with equations that prove that time *is* money

Confirmation of a tenth planet and an advanced civilisation living there

Papers showing that the government was created by the Mafia in order to keep the citizenry in line

Records of the contents of Hangar 33 (and evidence that Hangar 18 was invented as government misinformation)

A gaunlet with six gems that provide the wearer with near-omnipotence

Proof that Milli Vanilli *did* sing their album

A heave metal box, 75cm on a side, painted in military green. Each side has the words, "This side towards enemy" printed on it. (Nuclear claymore mine)

And don't forget a Chevy Malibu, with an unidentifiable (but definitely not human) corpse in the trunk, and with black-and-whice cans labelled simply "BEER" and "FOOD" in the back seat

All of Dan Quayle's clones (they decided one DQ was bad enough!)

Robbie the Robot

The Transience Disk

The Aeolanthe & Naeolanthe

One ENIAC

One Tesla Radio Power distribution system

John Galt

The top 10 vaporware products of all time

Laputa

A Liliputan

The squadren of jet powered Spruce Geese

Lassie

The pen used to sign the Hitler-Stalin pact

What's left of the apple that fell on Newton's head

The reliable version of the space shuttle (threatened job security)

Amelia Earhart's flight jacket

Nazi flying saucers

Jetpack, a la "The Rocketeer"

Chips of some unknown alloy collected during Apollo missions

Big black slab collected by the Leakeys in Olduvai Gorge (and a femur found in orbit)

Jimmy Hoffa

A Cloudbuster (a rainmaking machine built by Wilhelm Reich - see the Kate Bush video "Cloudbusting")

An N-ray detector

A dinosaur egg. Fresh. In a crate marked "Africa."

A chunk of steel, of an unusual alloy, that bears the label "Tunguska 190?" (Slightly radioactive)

A box full of scrolls - written in Aramaic. Box says "Gnostic II."

Ronald Reagan Mark I and the animatronics to make him work

Bill Gates' Porsche 959

A notebook belonging to Fermat, containing the answer to that damn "Last Theorem," and notes about a much more interesting conjecture

A freezer holding the body of Walt Disney

The Necronomicon

The Terminator's arm

Beethoven's Eleventh Symphony

A phone booth with an odd antenna on top, and a San Dimas, CA number

A blue British police call box

A tight-fitting blue costume with a big red "S" on the chest

The backup tape archives from the "Terminator 2" lab

The Infinite Improbability Generator

The 1992 Democratic Presidential Candidate

HAL 9000's Failed Turing Test (He got a 57%!)

The monolith on the moon

The monolith by Jupiter

HAL 9000

A Darkness Device

Da Shoes!

A copy of Bunnies & Burrows

Gary Gygax

A minute black hole--made of a "knot singularity"

The Body of Valentine Michael Smith

The center of a tootsie roll pop

The Great Virus of '29

The Heart of Gold

The Tree of Life

The seed to the Tree of Knowledge

The "dean drive" which "converts angular momentum into linear momentum."

Two and a half tons of Nazi gold recovered from a Swiss mine shaft in 1945

Some plants from the Brazilian rain forest that can cure just about anything

The "magic gun" that fired the "magic bullet" that killed JFK

Part of a Soviet Sub recovered by Howard Hughes' Glomar Explorer back in 1971

A Typhoon-class submarine with Caterpillar Drive

A little silver ball from Starman

A searchlight with the sillouette of a bat on it

A book entitled "To Serve Man"

A three-eyed fish named Blinky

JFK's Brain

The gold from the lost Dutchman mine

The Marylin Monroe Diaries

The Holy Grail

The "sets and costumes" that were used to film the Apollo Moon Landing

The Rhinegold

The FBI and CIA files detailing the Career of "Special Agent Elvis"

A mountain of letters addressed to Santa Claus

A crate marked "The Alamo" with 19th century weapons, uniforms, and one coon skin cap

All of the drugs ever seized in DEA raids

A bottle with a tag, "Drink Me"

One kite, string, and key that are scourched

In a corner a Zoltar Fortune Telling Machine

A strange looking submarmine named Natulis

A row of robots, one marked Gort and another marked Robbie

200 year old crate (damaged) of tea marked "Boston"

Joseph Raymond McCarthy in cryogenic suspension. (Due to be woken 2000 AD)

Contents of a television studio once based in a desert. Props include Mars landscape sections and lifesized fibreglass spaceships

Ted Kennedy's driver license

Yoko Ono's talent

Diogene's Zippo

The Lincoln Savings and Loan cash reserves

A portrait, in GIF format, showing Helen of Troy was a real dog

Michael Jackson's original nose

A petrified turd, left by one of the mounts of the Four Horsemen

Indisputable proof that Oswald acted alone

All the people who have ever voted in a Chicago election while dead (required an annex)

The original blueprints for building the Great Pyramid of Egypt

A telephone book for the Planet Mars

The original magnifying glass used by Sherlock Holmes

A bottle of smoke from the Chicago Fire

A crate containing a machine, labeled "Owner - Danny Dunn"

Oliver North's diary

A brain laleled "Ronald Reagan"

Ten crates of clothes labeled "Liberace"

25 crates of confederate money

2500 crates of two dollar bills

Several rows of crates marked, "K-2"

A large vat of goo, labeled "Keep away from turtles!"

The real contents of Al Capone's Vault

The solution to the halting problem

The "Missing" volumes of the Art of Computer Programming

A bottle of the "andromedia strain" Virus

Several Bigfoot(s)

The bones of the Loch Ness Monster

A crate of seed pods from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"

All the AV recording made of the Mothership from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"

Snake Plisken's death certificate

The cursed ship, The Flying Dutchman

The missing pages from the logbook of the abandoned Marie Celeste

Adolf Hitler's body... intact

The Blob... in a large freezer of course

Gary Seven's voice-operated typewriter

Spock's vacuum tube computer made in the 1930's, found in flophouse

All the books which were checked out when the Library at Alexandria burned

Undeniable authentication documents for the Shroud of Turin

A map showing where the Time Tunnel desert base's drive-in door is located

The original plans for Colossus (the Forbin project)

Used hypodermic needle; once injected a miniaturized submarine into a neck

Copy of hostage-withholding agreement between Bush and the Ayatollah

Saucer pieces, mostly melted from magnesium flares, found in (Ant)artic

The stiff little finger from the hand of an Invader

NASA office note about refusing collect call from a Will Robinson

Hollow krypton meteorite, found in Smallville, USA. Cradle inside

Three "telepods", non-working, along with a grotesque fly/human/metal body

Spy satellite photos, detailing the location of Noah's Ark

A working orgone energy machine (see theories of Nicola Tesla for more details)

A real, live unicorn

A working anti-gravity device (perhaps a sample of Cavorite?)

Complete maps and journals of the expedition PROVING the Hollow Earth theory

What REALLY happened on the Hindenberg

Two strange electronic devices, found with a set of identifcation for "Commander Pavel Chekov, Starfleet."

A set of photographs of a tall (6'3"), muscular man wearing sunglasses. Some appear to have been taken at a police station, the rest at a mall

A pair of yellow shoes with thick hollow glass soles. One sole is intact and contains three goldfish skeletons

Pieces excavated from a stone building of Greek or early Roman design. Found in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean

The corpse of a grotesque, bipedal, fish-like being. Roughly 7' tall, the creature wears chitinous armor. In the crate with it are a strange looking spear, net, gun on its shoulder, blade on one wrist, and an electronic thingee on its other wrist

Many crates of bizarre super-tech weapons, all marked with swastikas

A crate full of papers, computer disks, and models of a modified DeLorean sports car. Among the papers is a photograph of two men standing by a clock, dating back to 1888

A female android, dressed in a pink gown, with her left arm torn out of place. She looks remarkably like Olivia d'Abo

Several hundred issues of "Playboy" confiscated from American servicemen in the Persian Gulf

A green meteorite attatched to a chain, found in a sewer by the Metropolis department of Public Works

Two CDs, one marked "Elvis" and the other marked "Bruce." These are kept with two identically-marked reels of tape and a strange machine

Plans and a prototype of a reactionless engine. The notes say it puts out no exhaust mass, only heat and light

A circular shield, about 3' in diameter, with concentric red and white rings and a star in the center on a blue field

A black sword, with red runes on it, unearthed in western Canada with a petrified human skeleton. The sword is dated as being older than the earth where it was found. Researchers tested the sword to find out what it was made of, but it defied their efforts. Everyone who touched the sword died

Hundreds of boxes of very very old, crumbling books found in Egypt.

Inside the front cover of each one is a pocket containing a little card with heiroglyphs on it. All but the last set on each card are crossed out

A gold medallion with raised markings on each side, and an off-center hole holding a red crystal

A glowing green crystal, about 10 inches long and 2.5 inches wide with angled ends, discovered near the North Pole

An illuminated manuscript much like a Bible, along with a rabbit's corpse and many pieces of shrapnel

A large emerald in the shape of a heart, confiscated from a fence in new York City

About 60,000 tapes and CDs by the 2 Live Crew

Hundreds of issues of a comic shop newsletter bearing the headline, "DeFalco and Macchio found in adult movie house."

Captain Hook's hand

A listing of pi which gets to a long stretch of ones and then ends

Stacks of mismatched contact lenses

Thousands of car keys

A chemical formula for the cure for the common cold

Formula 7x

The recipie for Macdonald's secret sauce

KFC's 11 secret herbs and spices

1000 mint-condition WWII army Jeeps, to be sold for $50 each

The hover-skateboard from BTTF2

A slightly less than infinite number of wallets (no money in them though)

A slightly malleable bit of metal (the world famous Philosopher's Stone)

The failed prototype from the Aurora project (yet another "stealth" plane)

The remains of a rather strange-looking humanoid... (the "missing link")

proof that the president knew the strength of the atomic bomb, and dropped it to prove a point to the soviets

Proof that religion WAS created to control the people

Proof that communism and socialism WOULD work

A complete transcription and dates and times for all of Nosatradamus's prophecies!

A box containing proof that Salem really did have witches

The REAL McCarthy list, before the politicain's saw it

The recording of Nixon saying "I'm not a crook"

Proof that Daylight savings, and flouridation really ARE communist plotS

The missing part of Kennedy's head

The true identity of the kidnaper of the Lindbergh baby

Amelia Earhart

Six copies of the Mona Lisa, all authentic, except for the words "This is a fake" written on the back in felt-tip pen.

A seventh copy of the Mona Lisa, appearing to be authentic, which DOESN'T have Had "This is a fake" written on the canvases in felt tip marker.

The complete list of every drink in the Universe whose name is a version of 'Gin 'n Tonic'.

The formula for Coca-Cola

The missing 80 points of Dan Quayle's IQ

Every taxicab in the Metropolitan New York area (only while it's raining)

The Golden Fleece

A broadsword from roughly 1000 AD with a woman's hand still gripping the handle

A grafitti-free subway car

A hen's tooth

A calendar containing a month made up entirely of Sundays

The Ultimate Nullifier

The six lost episodes of Dr. Who (and you thought only one was lost...)

A pair of red ruby slippers

A pillar of salt in the shape of a woman

An extremely well-aged apple with two bites out of it

Universal Solvent (we think) (bring your own container) (hurry) (never mind...)

A letter from an Egyptian princess, saying she'd like to be reincarnated as Shirley McLean

The suppressed Penthouse edition featuring Kylie Minogue

The REAL reason why the Challenger blew up

A spy satellite marked "Made in Taiwan"

A diary entry from the president of the Sierra Club saying he's going out duck-shooting

A reciept for a rifle and ammo from Dallas Texas, to the account of L.B. Johnson

A note from a member of the French Govt. saying they were sorry for the Rainbow Warrior

A working cold fusion unit (perhaps one for the back of a car, that you could feed garbage to)

The REAL crown jewels of Iran/Persia

The Maltese Falcon

An old treaty between Argentina and Britian giving the Falklands to one or the other

An effective chemical male contraceptive

The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything

The lost notice to tell Arthur the bulldozers were coming

The message from the Vogons warning the Earth of the Hyperspace Bypass

The One Ring

The White Gold Ring

The Virus programmed against the Black Marble Wombat

The Wombat listing in VMS Help

"That Loving Feeling"

Plane tickets proving George Bush was in Paris in the fall of 1980

Recordings of a mysterious five-tone musical work, left over from a certain project that took place at Devil's Rock

A slightly radioactive safe marked "S.S. Titanic"

Pay stubs with the words "Central Intelligence Agency" and "Lee Harvey Oswald"

The autopsy records for JFK (sealed for 50 years!)

The totally innocuous file on MLKjr that was sealed -- because it was totally innocuous!

The report given to FDR on the Japanese fleet steaming toward Hawaii

George Washington's membership card for the Masons

Birth certificates for several mulatto children, with the "Father" space marked "Thomas Jefferson"

Autopsy records for President Zachary Taylor

Telegram from Andrew Johnson to John Wilkes Booth saying "Great opportunity at Ford's Theater -- a definite Do-Not-Miss"

a prototype (or working model!) of Alpha Complex's Computer

_Another_ government warehouse...

90% of the works of Nikola Tesla

Ship with bodies embedded in several inch-thick steel from the "Philadelphia Experiment"

A Mac SE hard disk containing plans for "Transparent Aluminum"

Plans for the "Wildfire" research station

Set of printer plates for the Lyons UNIX book

Atlantis

Everything ever lost in the Bermuda Triangle

A sample of scrith

A disc (ring) with a ratio of circumference to diameter equal 3

Political ethics

The plan for a balanced US budget

Several letters signed "George Washington" and "Adam Weisshaupt", and a memo signed by a grafologist claiming that both sets were written by the same person.

The unicorn scene from "Blade Runner"

Laserdisc copies of all Hayao Miyazaki films -- UNCUT and in ENGLISH

Schubert's last symphony (complete)

A short mathematical proof that the travelling salesman problem can be solved in polynomial time

An Elder God, dead

A pouch of sand, a red ruby on a chain, and a strange insect-like mask

The last 7 presidents and vice presidents, frozen -- including Bush & Quayle

Several Caroline clones (they work there)

a Kirelean photograph of Stonhenge -- showing auras on all the stones, including the missing ones

A silver albatross

An old-fashioned green railroad-man's lantern, and a collection of green rings of various shapes and sizes

The original manuscript for Bible II: The Son Strikes Back

Various and sundry archaeological relics from Mu, Lemuria, Atlantis, Shangri-La, and Xanadu

A complete set of the Golden Age Suicide Squid comics

Two 16-inch Battleship Cannon shells (you know - like the ones on the Ne Jersey) Filled with Quick-Death organism bomblets

the British copy of the North American Treaty

Several kilograms of Byzanium, along with a 1889 Colorado newspaper and the body of a Red Army corporal

A wooden staff, with a claw holding a crystal on the end

The Starship Defiant

A large number of Swiss Army knives and rolls of Duct Tape. The knives all have the letter M engraved on them

The financial records of Stemple's Mill, Seattle, Washington - signed "Ishmael Marx"

A large number of Swords

A number of semi-transparent, amoeboid creatures, accompanied by semi- neanderthalic humanoids

An F-15's gun-camera recording of a Dragon in flight

The leg-bones of Miles Vorkosigan

One Dozen Red Roses

Maps to caves in Ireland, where several spaceships (with markings in Gaelic) are kept

Two thousand bottles of NyQuil

The coordinates of a rain-swept planet far out in the galaxy, inhabited by a little old man who likes cats (even though he doesn't believe in them)

Aristotle's treatise on humor

The Freemasons' Ultimate Secret

King Arthur's perfectly preserved body

God's pair of dice

The sixth replicant

The Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator

A bubble-gum machine full of dehydrated Martians (just add water)

A helmet with a scrub brush attatched to the top and a pair of tennis shoes with the name "M. Martian" on both

Map & instructions for recovering the treasure on Oak Island

The Method used to place the statues on Easter Island

The reason the statues were put there

The Beethoven manuscripts that disapeared at his death.

The first draft of Adam Weishaupt's inagural address

The allied plans for the bombing of Russian oil fields, early '41

The German nuke

The real recipie for the Pan-galactic gargle blaster

Cratefuls and cratefuls of containers remarkably similar to yogurt and ice cream containers, labelled "The Stuff"

Two live plesiosaurs

Plane tickets from Munich, 1958, stamped "Flight Cancelled".

All the missing ozone

Lenin's hair

The brain of a liberal, the heart of a conservative

A magnetic monopole

A huge ax and an even bigger stuffed blue ox

A photograph of a very large gold menorah (pictured on the Arch of titus in Rome) with report detailing the contents of the Vatican warehouse

An archive containing every issue to date of the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, with marginal notations like, "Hoo boy, we *really* fooled this one!" and "He's getting too close; exchange him."

A large tank containing some sort of preservative solution and several slightly radioactive corpses in various states of decay, all of which seem to twitch or move slightly now and then

Edison's final invention: The Necrophone, a device enabling one to speak with the dead

A handwritten proof, repudiating all claims of truth to the notion of relativity, signed by Einstein

A book containing the contents of the Soviet's Warehouse, with _infinitely_ more interesting stuff

A text about flouridation and its true effects on the mind

An engine that runs on the passage of _time_ (a Soviet physicist, whose name escapes me, has crunched the numbers on this one!)

A text written in ancient Hebrew that begins, In the Beginning, but has all the words for god feminine in gender

A dummy terminal connecting to nothing in particular, with a prompt. When any name is typed in, the COMPLETE history of the subject is displayed, including what he is doing at this moment, with constant updating

The CIA's report on Psychotronic Weaponry, with the Soviet's explaination to what happened to Nixon and Carter, as well athe death of Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, and the meteoric rise to power of one Mikhail Gorbachev, who happened to be head of the KGB when the research was being done

One human skeleton, found in casket, with a wooden stake inserted into the ribcage

Remains of a sophisticated WWII Japanese fighter, codenamed Kamikaze, with humanoid figures crushed in the machinery, that must have disabled it

A strange machine, incorporating a glass cylinder with a weird gel flowing within it, and sealed with a lock that can only be opened from within. Found in the basement of a church in Detroit

The bodies of the victims of Crest test #57

Directions to Midian

Definitive proof of the Carter thesis that states that petroleum, rather than being a diminishing resource, is constantly replenished naturally by the earth

Documentation about the CIA's project into creating the first strain of recombinant DNA, with a formula very similar to that of Human Immuno- deficiency Virus

Joseph Smith's golden tablets, containing the Book of Mormon

The missing 23 minutes of Nixon's tape recordings

Parcelsus' notebooks (that were supposedly buried with him, but weren't there when his tomb was opened, later---for that matter, how about his body?)

The Marquis de Saint Germaine

Documentation and photos from all the cases of Spontaneous Human Combustion

The mummy from the sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid

A couple of those computer chips they've supposedly found embedded in the arms of Egyptian mummies

All that runic graffiti saying things like "Sven Redbeard was here" from the upper Mississippi

A parrot-headed umbrella

A giant Lincoln's head penny

A table-top fortune-telling machine

A curiously heavy black statue of a falcon, with several chips carved out of it

A sled with the brandname of "Rosebud"

The "Greatest American Hero" suit (with instructions)

Rudy Wells' lab notes

Several hypodermic needles, labelled "Lot Six"

Several spare self-destructing tape recorders

Hymie

A shoe-phone

A birth certificate with MacGyver's FIRST name!

Several large hairy bipeds, a small pyramid of silver spheres, and a stack of video recordings showing the bipeds attacking a tibettan monestary in Wales

A diary purporting to show the location of the Holy Grail, labelled "property of Prof. H. Jones"

Reports, wreckage, and photos from the Starkweather-Moore expedition to Antartica. Contains the bodies of what look like 5-symmetric animals with fan-shaped wings and lots of tentacles. Also contains what looks like a frozen block of blackish protoplasm marked "Do not defrost under ANY circumstances"

Photo showing the "Illuminated Five" (Nikola Tesla, Howard Hughes, Adam Weishaupt, H.P. Lovecraft, and Nostradamus) having a beer bash at the Eye In The Pyramid pub in Ingolstadt

The Overthruster and Buckaroo Banzai's jet car. Also a strange looking record that when played displays a rather rastafarian-looking alien

Proof that Orson Wells' War of the Worlds broadcast was no joke

The *complete* manuscript of Coleridge's Kubla Khan

Everything dropped by aliens that Eric Von Daniken claims to have seen (which is usually guarded by "wild tribesmen" or drug runners, etc.)

One of those movie revolvers that fires twelve or fifteen shots, or at least never needs reloading

The Phantom Tollbooth

Carrie White

The plastic bottle that was taken to the Roman/Chinese emperor, which caused the inventor to be executed, to keep the glassblowers in business

Kentucky fried rats

Einstein's unified field theory

Hitler's REAL diaries ("hot date with Eva tonight---va-va-voom!")

The missing chapters of Nostradamus, especially those dealing with the End of Civilization as We Know It (suppressed because the world is not prepared)

The sequel to Gone With the Wind that Margaret Mitchell supposedly burned, after finding she didn't like "all the trouble *this* book has brought me."

The lightbulbs they used for illumination, in painting Egyptian tombs

The map to King Soloman's mines

The Viking longship that was discovered in California's Imperial Valley, sometime around 1910

A stuffed Pterodactyl, shot in Africa, earlier in this century

Millions of Pet Rocks (everybody bought one, nobody has one now, they have to be SOMEWHERE!)

The official U.S. Navy map showing the location of Gilligan's Island

Hundreds of millions of dirty socks, each tagged with the time, date and location of the laundry in which they disappeared

Bill Watterston

Various bits of a 1958 Plymouth Fury (red)

A Tanu skeleton (stored with a variety of high-tech weapons and devices found with it buried on the bottom of the Mediterrenan Sea, dated at approximately 6 million years old)

A dodo bird

A disk pack containing the personnel database for Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, listing lots of people named John who all applied for social security numbers on November 1, 1938 in Grover's Mill, NJ

Boxes of proposal, progress report, and design review documents for Yoyodyne's work on contract # DOD 84-C112001, plus a copy of "Commerce Business Daily" containing the original RFP for the Truncheon Bomber

The Great American Novel. Actually, one Great American Novel from the 1960's, another from the '50's, another from the '20's. Probably a couple more without established dates

Documents suggesting that "NSA" really meant "No Such Agency," the code name of an elaborate cover for yet another internal security service -- as yet unknown

UNIX; a nearly-mythical, small, simple, fully-functional multiuser operating system (mentioned in some theoretical papers by Ritchie and Thompson, c. 1978). Possibly found squished in the very bottom left back corner of one of several huge crates labelled "BSD," "SYS5," etc

News software that does something approximately near what one might actually want

A book with the title: THE TRUTH One page, one word. Doesn't matter what language you read, or if you read at all. One glance at it and you will know the truth. of course, when somebody learns the truth his head explodes

Real live (frozen or otherwise) Jackalopes, Hidebehinds, and other such beasties

An atom with the atomic number of 104

A coke can with the old style pull tabs

Several cases of the original coke (the ones with cocaine)

The location of Car 54

The Golem of Prague

Frankenstein's Monster

A set of papers referring to the Iran - Contra Affair

The primary mirror we were originally going to use on Hubble

A passenger pigeon (became extinct in the late 19th century)

The Gordian knot. Beside it, a much simpler knot, cut in two

Docmuments from the 1960's describing Isaac Asimov's process to "grow" a positronic brain, using a revolutionary crystal-growing process amazingly similar to biological cell reproduction

A complete log of everything ever posted to the Internet. Cross-referenced by subversive nature. All Email, too, of course

The crashed UFO from White Sands, 1947

A statement stating that Iran-Contra was "all my idea", signed Ronald Reagan

George Bush's travelogue from October, 1980

Professor Azland's time bubble

A spaceship powered entirely by steam

Phone number for the Earth Defense League

Crashed and destroyed Yeti, Ogron, and Dalek spacecraft

Construction plans for the top-secret lab in Quantum Leap

Videotape footage of the Loch Ness Monster. And Bigfoot

A perfect glass bowl, with the words "So Long, and Thanks..." engraved on it, containing some water and a sad-looking yellow fish

A battered and aged working copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

CIA pay stubs, made out in the name of Mikhail Gorbachev

A complete set of Majestic Twelve (aka MJ-12 aka MAJIC) documents, marked "Exempt: not to be declassified Top Secret Burn before reading"

A stack of memos to Joe Malik (regarding the Illuminati)

A cat. No one can tell whether it is alive or dead

A gigantic submarine made of gold. Leif Erikson is written on the side

A sacred cow

The collected writings of Kilgore Trout The only writings to appear by him are excerpts and brief quotes in several Kurt Vonnegut stories, except for the novel "Venus on the Half Shell"

And, of course, the warehouse would need to have, as a relief from all the clutter, a vial containing a perfect vacuum

In a dark corner of the warehouse, a cage containing a furry creature, about 10 inches tall, with huge eyes and ears. It has a tendency to sing once in awhile. A sign hangs in front of the cage saying; Do NOT place in bright light! NEVER get it wet! And DO NOT feed after midnight!!!

A small glass vile that seems to contain plain water. The label reads; "property of R. Reagan, from fountain of youth, FL"

This list

(BRITISH WING)

All the gadgets designed by Q, including the ones James Bond didn't use

All the gadgets designed by q (Q's little brother), such as a vacuum cleaner which, when carefully dismantled and cunningly reassembled, becomes a hair dryer

The alien spacecraft from "Quatermass and the Pit"

H. G. Wells' time machine

Complete inventory of the U. S. Government warehouse

The first telephone, invented by Percy forbes-Hamilton. It wasn't much use until Alexander Graham Bell invented the second one

A map showing the exact location of Thunderbirds' Island H.Q.

A copy of a blackmail note addressed to Pons and Fleischmann, sent by the head of B.P.

Plans for converting the Scott Monument into a rocket capable of travelling to Mars and back

The date and time of the revolution

Geoffrey Boycott's missing test years

The real Jules Verne trophy

The location of the *first* tunnel under the Channel (built back in Napoleon's time)

The Difference Engine

Videotape of a secret Special Air Service raid on a U.F.O., shot by a Commander Straker

The diary of one "S. Holmes, Consulting Detective."

A similar (but often contradictory) diary by a Dr. Watson

Several infernal devices created by a Dr. Manchu, in crates shipped in from Hong Kong

A bottle holding a bacterial culture labeled "Mutant 59."

The manuscripts of all those unwritten Sherlock Holmes adventures, such as the Adventure of the Aluminium Crutch, and The Giant Rat of Sumatra, that Watson kept tempting us with!

A "Norwegian Blue" parrot nailed to a perch in a birdcage

A device, similar to a laptop computer, wrapped in a dirty towel, with the words "Don't panic" written in friendly letters

A Babel fish

Miscellaneous documents labeled "Project Tic-Toc"

A bottle of pills marked "S. Beamish"

A rubber mask that looks just like David MacCallum

A manuscript, written in some druidic script, giving operating instructions for Stonehenge

An electronic thumb

A number of typewritten manuscripts bearing titles such as "Hamlet", "Macbeth" and "George", with the author given as A. Simian

Documents detailing payments made to an advertising agency to manufacture a front man to sell the above manuscripts

A device for flattening areas of corn

The mumified remains of the original M. Thatcher

Mark Thatcher's road map

A copy of "The Nice and accurate prophecies of Agnes Nutter: Witch"

A sonic screwdriver (nonfunctional, with a note explaining that it was found in London, AD 1666)

An Eyes-Only Scottland Yard File re: a serious of prostitute murders in London in the 1890's

A file cabinet, formerly belongong to one Brigadier Arthur Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, containing detailed documents of encounters with assorted aliens and creatures on the British Isles, all stamped with the words "TOP SECRET:UNIT"

Blueprints for a "Time Machine", with the initials "H.G.W." signed at the bottom

A bag of old jelly-babies

The school transcripts and transfer forms of one Vislor Turlough, which gives his home address as "Trion"; and similar, older documents for a girl named Susan whose grandfather claimed on her records that she'd attended "West Gallifrey Junior High."

A letter from Downing Street to Argentina, promising someone a large sum of money to make and fail in an attempt to capture some unspecified islands

A glass onion

A pair of shoes with a tag saying, "Found near Abbey Road"

A set of human ribs, one is missing

A stuffed hound with a tag saying "Baskervilles"

Three pegs with various sized discs on them. A monk is slowly moving one disc at a time Diagrams for a semi-functionnal mind control device, and (pessimistic) progress reports for control of subject "John M."

Details of the massive conspiracy which seems to have resulted in most of the British secrets ending up in the US warehouse

The names and scorecards of all the international teams competing in the "World Series"

The formula for the Top Secret language encrypting system developed by the CIA, which was used to call a game in which something which isn't a ball is hardly ever kicked called "Football"

A black doctors bag containing a number of strange automatic devices For performing various forms of surgery

A bottle of small yellow pills. The label warns you not to take a pill if you are in a small two-man shuttle craft

A bloodstained apron embroydered with masonic regalia and three feathers

Margret Thatcher's conscience

A report on an MI5 operation involving a poisoned apple, a known homosexual and an infinite tape

A geologist's report on the repeated earthquakes in a small region of Monmouthshire, seemingly associated with the ruins of a number of fallen towers

Some very old burned cakes

John Major's personality

The phone number of International Rescue

Prince Edward's A Level exam papers

The incorporation papers of a company called "Univsrsal Export"

A biochemical report proving that one should put the milk in first

Neil Kinnock's ideals

Satelite photographs showing that the General Galtiari was, in fact, somewhere in the Indian Ocean when sunk

A report on the spontanious self-disassembly of an early experimental British nuclear weapon as it was being transported through inner London, and why no one noticed

A gene analysis on the reamins of Winston Churchil, showing that he was, in fact, a chicken

A map and latitude-longitude coordinates showing the exact location of the Village

Schematics for the use of weather balloons as anti-personel devices

Papers showing who built the Village, who runs it, and who Number 1 is

The reason why Number 6 resigned

A door, above which is the brightly lit word "EXIT", and which bears a small plate upon which is written "101"

Nigel Lawson's calculator

A parchment letter from James I to a group of biblical scholars starting with the words "Thou Creeps"

A large leathery egg found on the shores of a Scottish loch

Authur Skargil's Tory party membership

A marrow bone and a poker

Contract between the MoD and BAE to develop an aircraft capable of tracking traffic on the M1 and the plans for the developed system, code named "Babel"

MI6's report on machinery of unearthly origin found on an unnamed ship lifted out of Aukland harbour

A rain making machine confiscated from the MCC

A letter from the Secratary of State for Defence to the commanders of all British submarines pointing out that, contrary to earlier orders, issued due to a previous minister having his hair shampooed and set while typing, it is _Soviet_ trawlers that pose a thright to British security and not, as stated, _Scottish_ ones

The final page of the Communist Manefesto containing the punch line, found inside a volume in the British library where it had seemingly been dropped in the haste of getting the book to the publisher

The original plans for the analytical engine clearly labeled as "Automatic bacon slicer and piano key carving machine"

The launch control system for the Scott monument

The formula for the additive inserted into Welsh water supplies 25 years ago to induce small mutations into unborn children which makes the retina and optic lobes much less sensitive to fast moving ovoid objects

The minutes of the final session of the Scotish parliament wherein the members decided to take the money and run before the Irish made good on their promise to sue for royalties on Whiskey

A transit label found miraculously preserved on the underside of one of the fallen stones at stonehenge bearing the name "M A trnspt ltd, by apointment, intrnl. removals"

A shard of crystal found wedged in a crevice on Rockall

The complete transcript of Joan of Ark's trial

The recipe for British Rail sausage rolls, confiscated for national security reasons

A working Advanced Passenger Train

The Great Rat of Sumatra

(VATICAN WING)

Roger Bacon's robot, or the plans for it, or both

Pliny's "History of Rome" and the missing parts of the "Mary Magdalin Gospel"

A suppressed letter from St. Paul apologizing to the female members of the church at Corinth

A complete transscript of Gallieo's trial (including the non-public parts)

The Fatima Prophesies (One look at those, and the Pope in office at the time locked himself up for three days)

Obviously a copy of the Necronomicon (Know thine enemies!)

STORED TOGETHER: (V) The nails used to crucify Jesus (V) The Crown of Thorns (V) Veronica's Veil (Strangely, each of these have been found containing trace quantities of blood. When the blood was scanned for DNA, none was found...)

A bunch of fish and bread, still remarkably fresh

Lazarus, in a cage

A paystub to one Mr. Salmon Rushdie, commenting, "Job Well Done."

A paystub to Lee Harvey Oswald, commenting "Job Well Done."

The bill for the Last Supper

The bill for the Last Brunch

At least a couple of demons, imprisoned

A big ol' hourglass that _cannot_ be turned over, slowly running out

A very large key, inset with pearls, inscribed (in Aramaic) "To Peter, Sorry, you can't take it with you."

A dartboard, with most of the space being taken up with signs for Italy, but a few bearing names like France, Spain, Ireland, and a _very_ small one for the USA. Oh, yeaH, there's a dart in it now, pierced through Poland

Copies of all the books put on the "Banned" lists (Know Thine Enemies!)

An ancient map, dated AD 476 that points to the major locations where all the books were taken (Damn the *^$#$ Dark Ages!)

A strange account of a man who appeared before the Inquisition saying, "No, wait, you've got it _all_ wrong... This is _nothing_ like I intended!" The report goes on to show that the man was summarily tortured for Heresy, and when he did not repent, was killed. Strangely, though, it also comments that the body of the heretic disappeared soon after

An ancient tome, dating to AD 30, written in a bastardization of Arabic, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin, proposing complex differential equations, and signed QED, JC. (Prince of Darkness)

Complete records on all major exorcisms, visitations, and miracles

One part of a strange machine built by Da Vinci, which used solar energy to remarkable ends

Tons of Stuff by Raphael, Leonardo Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, and Donatello, along with a few others, deemed "inappropriate" for the general populace, but which looked spiffy on the Pope's bedroom wall

A bottle of water that says "Taken from top of Everest...Remember!"

A pile of ash composed primarily of brimstone, with a card: "remember"

A pillar of salt, "I told you NOT to look back!"

Various bottles containing insects, frogs, lice, etc., and the last labelled, "Azrael. Open in case of Emergency."

The char-broiled corpse of a non-levite, "Don't touch it."

A horn, reading, "DON'T BLOW!!!!"

A sling and several stones

Ark of the Covenant, with a note in Italian reading, "Switch made...replica en route to USA."

Samples of the excellent 'shrooms that only grow on Patmos (as in St. John)

The Sybilline Books

The Lost Centuries of Nostradamus

The Grimoire of Pope Honorius

The Third Prophecy of Fatima

Adolph Hitler's baptismal certificate

(SOVIET WING)

The Firefox (or at least plans for it)

All the material on the Russian ESP "remote viewing" project (which, of course, was stolen by our own remote viewers)

The bodies of the executed Romanoff royal family, including Anastasia

All the missing Old Masters paintings that the Nazis commandeered

Lenin's last orders

The UFO that crashed in Siberia in 1908

(JAPANESE WING)

The sword given to the first Emperor by the goddess Amaterasu

A copy of the telegram from Tojo to Roosevelt giving warning of the Pearl Harbor attack

An oxygen destroyer

A suspended animaion unit containing a ten-year-old boy, labeled "Akira"

Four suits of powered armor custom-fitted for women

Satellite photos of Area 88

The manuscript for a book entitled "The Japan That Can Say No" (oops, that one leaked out already!)

The manuscript for the "really inflamatory" veersion of "The Japan That Can Say No"

Godzilla

To Europe and the so-called Gas Chambers with eager scientists from 'round the world, Fred Leuchter, and all Revisionists beg. Questions answered NOW. The Sun could steal the mist of mystery. IT COULD BE SO SIMPLE. Truth denied; investigation denied. Every day the Zionist Giant is taller, and each day has farther to fall (a certainty). Victory is solidly ours, fellow Revisionists. Be patient through the long wait; the cattle WILL find their way home.

Pete Faust

Institute For Relearning

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