Pamela Ray

Original interview Chauncy Holt/Tracy Wynn April 23 1993 40 pages

James Files comments on interview to Pamela Ray October 2000 total 17 pages

Pages 2 &3

see pages 4-17 at www.jfkmurderjamesfilesweebly.com

Original interview Chauncy Holt/Tracy Wynn April 23 1993 40 pages

James Files comments on interview to Pamela Ray October 2000 total 17 pages

Correction: All 17 pages will be posted here.

Leo. B. Harley believes that Hillary Clinton was involved in the cover-up of the Assassination of JFK. You can read the article here:

http://www.freewebs.com/leobharley/

I had no idea that Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater supporter when she was young. Tony Blair was a Conservative until he met his wife at university. He then joined the Labour Party, CND, etc. However, once he gained power he emerged once again as a Conservative. According to one MI5 agent, Blair had been recruited to infiltrate the Labour movement. His relationship with his so-called left-wing wife was his "legend". He was a "sleeper" who eventually got to the top of the organization he was spying on. Is it possible that Hillary Clinton was recruited by the CIA as a student? Remember, she was also involved in the Watergate investigation.

More than once James Files has mentioned to me that both Hillary and Bill are CIA connected. She is also one of the few women that attend the annual Bilderberg meeting.

She is ruthless and sorry to say, I think she and Bill will be our next President. I really hope not but JFK Jr. and Vince Foster's deaths will be wasted if she doesn't achieve her life long goal.

Just a side note, Files mentioned her family in Park Ridge lived next door to his ex-in-laws and he even gave her a motorcycle ride way back when. She knows James Files and don't count on a pardon!

Edited

**FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE**

Man Claims Responsibility for Death of President JFK

New Book Features Confessions of the Self-Proclaimed “Grassy Knoll Shooter”

KIHEI, Hawaii – When the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is brought up – even today, over 40 years later – it still has the power to evoke incredible emotion. Most people who were alive on that day still remember exactly where they were when they heard the news, and Lee Harvey Oswald has become a household name, many still convinced he was to blame despite various conspiracy theories which indicate otherwise.

The name James E. Files is not a household name; most have never even heard it. But in 1994, James E. Files confessed on film that he was the gunman who fired the infamous headshot that killed JFK on Nov. 22, 1963, from behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza. Now he is divulging even more information in the new book Interview with History: The JFK Assassination (published by AuthorHouse). In the book, Files and author Pamela J. Ray explore the truth behind some very basic questions still lingering decades after that fateful autumn day: Why was President Kennedy killed? Who benefited? And who had the power to cover it all up?

Interview with History features Ray’s interviews with Files, conducted meticulously over the years through highly-monitored letters and transcribed phone calls from Stateville prison in Joliet, Ill., where Files is a prisoner for what he claims is an act of self-defense against an attempt on his life by the government. A former CIA and mob hit man, Files actually considers the JFK assassination one of the least important “jobs” he was asked to do in his lifetime, and he hopes that this book will forever put to rest the subject of his involvement.

“Facing incredible odds, danger and huge debt, it has been a labor of love, sacrifice and hardship to get this book to the people,” Ray writes. “Although over 2500 books have been written about the assassination, Interview with History: The JFK Assassination is the only authorized published work based on the confession of the grassy knoll shooter, James E. Files.”

Interview with History also delves into other “related, shadowy, underworld subjects where it is hard to tell where organized crime stops and the CIA (and other U.S. government agencies) begin,” all based upon Files’ years of experience in the shadows. There is a section called “A Hit on the Mob – Operation Family Secrets,” and another called “Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedy Brothers,” which reveals what Files really thinks happened to the Hollywood starlet. Yet another looks at the dark side of the Vatican and how it ties into the JFK assassination.

“The book includes many photos and unique captions that will undoubtedly cause a controversy ‘back east,’” writes Ray. “This is a must see for researchers looking for a new road if they have been winding up on dead end streets.”

AuthorHouse is the premier book publisher for emerging, self-published authors. For more information, please visit www.authorhouse.com.

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Interview is in 5 parts

Part 1 link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-ievRAgzc

"Grassy knoll jfk" key words

jack,

can you suggest any good books on 9/11?

cheers

john

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Hi John,

I know you asked about books but here are some good links for 9/11.

Pam

http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/trt/Source...EAL_America.htm Jon Phalen: JFK, 9-11, and the REAL America: Tying It All Together

http://www.savethemales.ca/251102.html Bin Laden, Bush Serve the Same Master

http://septembereleventh.org/ Visibility Project - In support of 9-11 families struggle for truth

http://www.incunabula.org/hive/archive/911.html 9.11 Attacks Collection

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2 A. K. Dewdney: Operation Pearl

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html Michael Ruppert: “Oh Lucy! - You Gotta Lotta ‘Splainin To Do” A Timeline Surrounding September 11th

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/ The Complete 9/11 Timeline

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP206A.html Chaim Kupferberg: The Propaganda Preparation for 9/11

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html Chaim Kupferberg: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html Michel Chossudovsky: Political Deception: The Missing Link behind 9-11

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html Michel Chossudovsky: Bush Administration knew the Whereabouts of Osama

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO208A.html Tom Flocco: Secret Hearings Conceal 9/11 Terrorist Links to Congress & White House

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm John Kaminski: 9/11 was a Hoax. The American government killed its own people

http://www.jihadunspun.net/articles/120220...r.than.fiction/ Dr Albert D Pastore PhD: Stranger Than Fiction - An Independent Investigation 9-11 and the War on Terror

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/pkem.html Sherman Skolnick: US GOVERNMENT HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF EMERGENCY

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted? -Introduction & Section 1GUILTY FOR 9-11: BUSH, RUMSFELD, MYERS

http://www.truthcampaign.ukf.net/articles/...emy_within.html Ivan Fraser: The Enemy Within - the Illusion Without

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/wo...radecenter.html David Icke: ALICE IN WONDERLAND AND THE WTC DISASTER

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html ISRAELI SPY AND PHONE TAPPING SCANDAL

http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/attack_on_america.html Dr Len Horowitz: TERRORISM PREVENTION AND TREATMENT STARTS WITH ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS

http://www.stormtronic.co.uk/9-11/main.htm www.9-11.co.uk Who, Why

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/best_911_sites.htm Best 9/11 Sites 4th edition by John Kaminski

http://www.osamaskidneys.com/links.html#reviews REVIEWED SITES A selection of the best or most newsworthy, interesting, influential or popular 9/11 Skeptic sites

http://911-strike.com/debunking.htm Debunking conspiracy theorists' paranoid fantasies about Sept. 11

http://www.voxfux.com/archives/00000076.htm Voxfux: "Make No Mistake About It" 9/11 Was An "Inside Job"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm Walter E. Davis, PhD: September 11th And The Bush Administration Compelling Evidence for Complicity

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/11...603mccurdy.html Making a case for 9/11 skepticism

What Happened

http://www.rense.com/general45/911.htm 911 Smoking Gun - The Story They Don't Want You To Read

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html The Video That Proves 9-11 Was Not A Surprise

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timelin...restingday.html An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?C...ber=648626&t=-1 The Secret Saudi Flight on 9-13 Could be the Key to the Bush-Saudi-Al Qaeda Connection

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm Where's the inferno?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shake.html The Ground Shake Preceding The Collapse Of WTC-1

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html The "Controlled" Collapse Of WTC-7

http://www.wtc7.net/ WT7 Collapse investigation

http://thewebfairy.com/911/index.htm The Web Fairy 911 Memorial - Slow motion closeups

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/91767.php Explosives Powered The 9-11 World Trade Center Dust Clouds

http://thewebfairy.com/911/holmgren/index.html Physical and mathematical analysis of Pentagon crash by Gerard Holmgren

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm The Pentagon Crash?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm Dick Eastman: What convinced me that Flight 77 was not the Killer Jet

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30682 Was United Flight 93 shot down on Sept. 11? Report revisits nagging question of what really happened to doomed jet

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/xxxx.htm The President as Incompetent xxxx: Bush's Claim that he Saw TV Footage of 1st Plane Hitting WTC

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...sp?story=323958 Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/lies911/lies.htm Joe Vialls: Mother of All Lies About 9/11 Barbara Olson's "Phone Call" From Flight 77b

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=26732 FAA official claims Flight 11 gun shooting memo not draft

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20020214.htm Hari Heath: Hey, Stupid!

http://www.rense.com/general20/cof.htm Confirmation Jet Interceptors Were At WTC At Time Of Impact? (download video)

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted? -Introduction & Section 1GUILTY FOR 9-11: BUSH, RUMSFELD, MYERS

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm Update to Section 1:

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm Section 2: 'Mr. Cheney's Cover Story'

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm Section 3: 'Bush in the Open' - What George Bush knew before he went to the Booker School on 9-11*

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/urgent.htm 9-ll: Ho-Hum, Nothing Urgent

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html Michael Ruppert: “Oh Lucy! – You Gotta Lotta ‘Splainin To Do” A Timeline Surrounding September 11th

http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewMediaFile.cfm?REF=136 Barrie Zwicker : What really happened on Sept. 11th? - Part 1

http://slate.msn.com//?id=2060825 Scott Shuger: IGNORAD The military screw-up nobody talks about.

http://www.rense.com/general18/sep.htm FBI Continues To Cover Up Pilot Communications Related To September 11

http://www.rense.com/general18/myss.htm Missing Pieces To The Amazing 911 Mystery Puzzle

http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.42/operation911.html Carol A. Valentine: Operation 911 Did Military Software Control the "Hijacked" Planes?

http://www.rense.com/general15/whoweneedfear.htm Who We Need Fear - What Is Global Hawk?

http://geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html "Home Run" Electronically Hijacking the World Trade Center Attack Aircraft

http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/carolvalentine.htm Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/suicidal.html Were the hijackers really suicidal?

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/110201a.html The Enemy Is Inside The Gates... Civilian And Military Pilots say 911 Must Have Been Planned Within The US Government

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/st...73685%2C00.html Attackers did not know they were to die

http://www.rense.com/general18/collapse.htm NY Firefighters Want Investigation Into WTC Collapse

http://www.hera.co.nz/PDF%20Files/World%20Trade%20Centre.pdf Why the WTC Towers Collapsed - Another Engineering Analysis (pdf document)

http://www.rense.com/general14/WTCfailureanalysis.pdf Why The WTC Towers Collapsed (pdf document)

http://www.copvcia.com/stories/sept_2001/No_Explosives.html No Explosives Hidden in WTC

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/gene...nce_010919.html Gravity Helped Terrorists Destroy Twin Towers

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html The World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terrorism

http://www.eionews.addr.com/wag/the_split_second_error.htm WAG THE WTC PART I: The Split-Second Error ...Exposing The WTC Bomb Plot...

http://www.eionews.addr.com/wag/the_blockbuster.htm WAG THE WTC PART II: The Blockbuster

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/102601b.html 911: The Terrorists Suspend Laws Of Physics!! Did The Buildings Fall...Or Were They Pushed?

http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!

http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/fbiandntsb.htm FBI running plane crash investigation -not NTSB

http://www.rense.com/general13/strangecase.htm Strange Case Of The Black Box And The Indestructible Passport

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/bush-s28.shtml White House lied about threat to Air Force One

http://www.rense.com/general14/afterd.htm Many WTC Workers Told To RETURN To Their Desks AFTER Crash

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/treason.htm Criminal Negligence or Treason

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20010924.html Suppressing Dissent At Home, Fighting for Freedom Abroad?

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/september11/o...tunismwatch.htm Opportunism in the Face of Tragedy Repression in the name of anti-terrorism

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/shootdown.html Government and media caught in a lie regarding 9/11

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html Are Americans the victims of a hoax?

http://www.bartcop.com/flight93.htm Flight 93 - Catching the FBI in a Big Fat Lie

http://www.aim.org/publications/weekly_col...2001/12/28.html What Are The Feds Hiding About Flight 93?

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc5.html David McGowan: What Really Happened to Flight 93?

http://www.flight93crash.com/ How Did United Flight 93 Crash?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/...cleveland2.html Cleveland Smoking Gun Proves “Arab Hijacker” Calls From United Airlines Flight 93 Were Faked

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html Serendipity: The World Trade Center Demolition and the So-Called War on Terrorism

Who knew

http://www.911forthetruth.com/ 911 For The Truth Mariani vs. Bush

http://www.insightmag.com/news/269873.html Prior Knowledge Of 911 Not Just Urban Legend

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG204A.html Foreknowledge of 9-11 A Compilation of articles and documents in support of a 9-11 Investigation

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...30/161204.shtml FBI Agent Wright Says FBI Could Have Prevented 911

http://www.gordonthomas.ie/104.html Gordon Thomas: Bush - The Ignored Warning That Will Come To Haunt Him

http://www.rense.com/general25/expb.htm Michael C. Ruppert: Bush Explanations For Pre-911 Warnings Fail The Test

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/..._bushknows.html Michael C. Ruppert: The Case for Bush Administration Advance Knowledge of 9-11 Attacks

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/01_25_02_r...2_vreeland.html Michael C. Ruppert: Spy Case In Canadian Courts Suggests Us Naval Officer Had Foreknowledge Of 9-11

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNe...mant020523.html FBI Was Warned of Sept. 11 Hijacker - Informant Says He Provided Facts About Phoenix Hijacker

http://www.rense.com/general17/werestanddown.htm Were Stand-Down Intercept Orders Given On Morning Of 911?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../29/71547.shtml Egyptians Knew of Planned 9-11 Attacks Last August, Says Banker

http://www.rense.com/general18/911lettingithappen.htm 911 - Letting It Happen

http://www.rense.com/general17/lie.htm Bush 'Slip' Raises Questions About Knowledge Of 911 Attacks

http://wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/sept-j16.shtml Patrick Martin: Was the US government alerted to September 11 attack? (four part series)

http://www.rense.com/general14/known.htm Project Bojinka - More Indications Of Prior US Knowledge Of Hijacker Attack Plans

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/101501a.html DC Lawyer Says US KNEW about WTC Planned Attacks Before They Happened

http://www.rense.com/general14/evlusive.htm Tracking The Elusive Truth - review of the clues

http://www.copvcia.com/stories/dec_2001/de...rofits_pt1.html Profits Of Death -- Insider Trading And 9-11

http://www.rense.com/general14/jebdeclared.htm Jeb Declared Martial Law In FL On 9-7 Dubya's Obscure 'Goat Story'

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/pf/p-j062402.html Justin Raimondo: Baba Wawa's Whitewash - Israeli Spies Cheer As WTC Burns

http://www.israelnationalnews.com Israeli News Reports On The Fox Series Of Israel Spying On US

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/Sh...ssID=/has%20%5C Odigo says workers were warned of attack

http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170583.html Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtm.../16/ixhome.html Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...101mossad.story U.S. Denies Report That Israel Warned of Militants' Entry

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_398414.html?menu= German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings

http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170072.html Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...ry=94433&host=3 Bush did not heed several warnings of attacks

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...16/103951.shtml Expert: Russia Knew in Advance, Encouraged Citizens to Cash Out Dollars

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2001/9/12/201715 San Francisco Mayor Was Warned - How Come No One Else Was?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,20013...1334144,00.html Rushdie's air ban

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/s.../arst092901.htm FL: Governor Bush Changes Executive Order Four Days Before Attack

http://www.mindgallery.com/hiddenroom/wizard/ Michael Riconosciuto issues an alert to terrorist threat

Who are we

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html John Le Carré: The United States Of America Has Gone Mad

http://www.rense.com/general18/das.htm America's Views Of Causes Of 911 Sharply At Odds With World

http://www.rense.com/general13/hurt.htm The Unknown Enemy - Why Should Anyone Want To Hurt Us?

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne2.html When Will We Learn?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=24488 When will we learn? - part 2

http://www.rense.com/general13/whos.htm Chamish - Who Created Islamic Extremism?

www.marxists.de/war/wtc/pilger.htm Pilger: Inevitable ring to the unimaginable

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/chicago.html Let's Nuke Chicago!

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092001f.html Wonder Why the World Hates the U.S.? Profits over Humans!

http://www.rense.com/general14/why.htm Why They Hate Us - A Re-Examination

http://www.rense.com/general15/thewaronterr.htm The War On Terrorism - The War On Ourselves

http://emperors-clothes.com/news/hollywood-i.htm US Army Gets Secret Advice from Hollywood

http://www.endtimesnetwork.com/oldnews/sept11.html The Events Of September 11, 2001: What's Going On?

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemId=11917 Hypocrisy and talking heads What the national media is not telling you about these terrorist attacks

http://www.zmag.org/hermancover.htm Antiterrorism As A Cover For Terrorism

http://www.rense.com/general17/fearandnumbing.htm Fear And Numbing In The TV Zone

Why

Energy/Oil

http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DA25Ag01.html Pepe Escobar: Pipelineistan, Part 1: The rules of the game

http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DA26Ag01.html Pepe Escobar: Pipelineistan, Part 2: The games nations play

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html Afghanistan, the Taliban and the Bush Oil Team

http://www.rense.com/general13/moom.htm Follow The Money!! – New Pipeline To Tap The Caspian Sea Gas Bonanza

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/091901j.html War With Afghanistan: The Oil And Gas Connection: Follow the Money

http://www.rense.com/general15/whywerereally.htm Why We're Really Fighting This War... seize control of vast oil and gas reserves by the NWO

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/101101b.html CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan Government is in place

http://in.news.yahoo.com/011012/16/16lov.html America, oil and Afghanistan

http://www.rense.com/general15/preplanned.htm Pre-Planned US/UK War Against Afghanistan

http://www.rense.com/general17/spp.htm US planned War In Afghanistan Long Before September 11

http://www.indiareacts.com/Story33.htm India in anti-Taliban military plan (American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JUNE!)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/sou...000/1550366.stm US 'planned attack on Taleban' (American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JULY!)

http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/jp...ves_monster.htm Adam Hamilton: The JPM Derivatives Monster

http://www.zealllc.com/2002/jpmgrows.htm Adam Hamilton: JPM Derivatives Monster Grows

Tyranny/NWO

http://www.brojon.com/frontpage/bj091701.html THE DISMANTLING OF AMERICA The Phoney War in Afghanistan

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092401a.html Bush's Orwellian Address: Happy New Year: It's 1984 by Jacob Levich

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...ocumentID=14924 Freedom flees in terror

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/wtc.html Welcome to the New and Improved Police State

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0%2C128...47006%2C00.html Bush Submits His Laws for War

http://www.rense.com/general14/lib.htm Fast-Moving House Bill Restricts Liberties - Much Of It Unrelated To Terror

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html FEMA - The Secret Government

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html Senate OKs FBI Net Spying

http://educate-yourself.org/wtcexcuseforsm...rds19sep01.html The Perfect Excuse to Mandate Smart Cards

http://www.rense.com/general14/card.htm Bush Ponders National ID Card For All Citizens

http://educate-yourself.org/americaplayedafool13sep01.html America, Being Played For a Fool

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092001l.html The U.S. Government's Emergency Powers A Coup On American Freedom

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2001Sep12.html Privacy Trade-Offs Reassessed Objections to Surveillance Technology Face New Test After Attack

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/australia/oz/092101a.html Microchip Solutions To "Terrorist" Problems...

http://www.rense.com/general13/watchingyou.htm Watching You - What Technology Can And Cannot Do About Terrorism

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/europe/e...nd/092301d.html UK Government Indicates That Indenity Cards Are Likely To Be Introduced And Liberties Curtailed To "Fight Terrorism".

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092301b.html Global Fascist Larry Ellison Reveals His Colors

http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/warandliberty/ Declaring war -- a threat to freedom

http://www.mycountryrightorwrong.net/ Mark Elsis: Questioning September 11th

http://www.rense.com/general14/skolnick.htm The Overthrow Of The American Republic - Part 1

http://www.jimmarrs.com/threat.html Jim Marrs: WHO'S TRULY BEHIND THE ATTACK ON AMERICA?

Drugs/Black ops funding

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/bushcheney.html George Bush, Dick Cheney And Their Drug Empire

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/102701a.html WTC Attack Destroyed Criminal Evidence

Whose Terror

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/Terror_Tots.html Learn 'n Play with the CIA - Let's Play A Game! It's called FUND the TALIBAN, boys and girls!

http://www.libertythink.com/911.htm Evidence Supporting Protection Of Terrorists Before 911

http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports.htm Bush lied and people died

http://www.rense.com/general34/beog.htm The Real Terrorist Is George W. Bush

http://www.thepowerhour.com/editorials/letter.htm Open Letter to America from a Canadian

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15935 Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

http://www.rense.com/general27/great.htm John Pilger: The Great Charade

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html Michel Chossudovsky: Who Is Osama Bin Laden?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/04/...8333477336.html Richard Neville: Beyond good and evil

http://www.rense.com/general20/americansmuststand.htm Charley Reese: Americans Must Stand Firm Against 'War'

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/94988 John Pilger: The Colder War

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/12/06/23000.html B. Ness: Stopping The Perpetual War

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2842...lqaeda_kla.html U.S. Protects Al-Qaeda Terrorists in Kosovo

http://www.rense.com/general13/harvmil.htm The Militarization Of Earth

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=93624 Robert Fisk: Is The World's Favourite Hate Figure to Blame?

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=94254 Robert Fisk: Is Bush Walking into a Trap?

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html Who Is Osama Bin Laden?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...2/4/05600.shtml Who Is Osama bin Laden, and Does He Have Anything to Do With the Sept. 11 Attack?

http://www.representativemedia.org/binLadenphoto.html WHO the hell supports such murderous people like bin Laden? (photo Bin Laden and Zbigniew Brzezinski)

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman

http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1 Bin Laden comes home to roost His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/...01_bushbin.html Osama bin Laden's Bush family Business Connections

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n922/a09.html Bush's Faustian Deal With The Taliban

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2001/1045.shtml Wall Street Journal: Bush Sr. In Business With Bin Laden Family Conglomerate Through Carlyle Group

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/..._bin_laden.html Osama Bin Laden - A CIA Creation And Its "Blowback"

http://baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct01.shtml Carlyle Group poses serious Ethical Questions for Bush Presidents

http://www.public-i.org/excerpts_01_091301.htm Osama Bin Laden: How the U.S. Helped Midwife a Terrorist

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=24466 U.S. equipped terror sponsors

http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/anatomy.htm Washington's Backing of Afghan Terrorists: Deliberate Policy

http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529_asp.htm?0cb=-81924124 Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/0109...rror_intro.html Who Really Controls International Terrorism?

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/092801e.html Do You Think The Price Is Worth It?

http://www.rense.com/general15/ene.htm The Best Enemies Money Can Buy.. from Hitler to Hussein to bin Laden - Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership

http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/allies.htm Washington's Pakistani Allies: Killers and Drug Dealers

http://www.observer.co.uk/Distribution/Red...-560624,00.html Resentful west spurned Sudan's key terror files

http://www.rense.com/general14/ournewfriends.htm Our New 'Friends' Are Killers, Crooks And Torturers

http://www.rense.com/general14/dryin.htm The Dis-United States of America - The Dying Days Of The Empire

http://www.rense.com/general14/rise.htm US Gave Silent Backing To Taliban Rise To Power

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11650 Tracking Terrorist Money -- Too Hot For U.S. to Handle?

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/taketwo.htm Bin Laden, Terrorist Monster: Take Two!

http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm Ex- National Security Chief Brzezinski admits: Afghan War & Islamism Were Made in Washington

http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm BUSHLADEN

http://archive.inq7.net/archive/2001-p/wnw...4/wnw_5-1-p.htm Prince Charles dined with bin Laden kin: palace

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/bioterror.html Biowarfare: Made in America?

http://www.copvcia.com/stories/oct_2001/heroin.html The Lies About Taliban Heroin - Russia and Oil the Real Objectives

http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2837_eir_interview.html LaRouche: Calm Down! The Enemy Is Right Here In the U.S.A.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/11-...little_help.htm A Little Help From Our Enemies

http://www.jimmarrs.com/view/view102301.html Jim Marrs: War On Terrorism

http://mirror.icnetwork.co.uk/news/allnews...430&method=full Pilger: The war against terrorism is a fraud

http://www.rense.com/general16/amer.htm Bin Laden Met With CIA Official In July In An American Hospital

http://old.smh.com.au/news/0110/31/world/world105.html Bin Laden treated for kidney problem in Dubai, claims report

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...31/163622.shtml CIA Says It Didn't Meet With bin Laden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/stor...,583254,00.html Backyard terrorism, the US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/0109...rror_intro.html Who Really Controls International Terrorism?

http://www.secularislam.org/ A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai.../04/ixhome.html Beijing produces videos glorifying terrorist attacks on 'arrogant' US

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commenta...sp?story=103717 Robert Fisk: Lies, Hypocrisy, Hatred And The War On Terror

http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm Jared Israel: Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden' Story

http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.as...t_id=1030259305 Bush took FBI agents off Laden family trail

http://orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman

http://www.rense.com/general16/nucla.htm US Satellite Detection Of Portable Nuclear Weapons

http://www.rense.com/general15/michaelreconosciuto.htm Michael Riconosciuto Warns of Missile Attacks

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2838bin-london.html Why the Real Name Is `Osama Bin London'

http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll...3-19.40/toc.htm or

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/...terment/toc.htm Field Manual No. FM 3-19.40: Military Police Internment/Resettlement Operations

Whose Doing

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/...03/051403a.html The Points Made In Alice In Wonderland And The World Trade Center Disaster Now Being Asked By Others Like Michael Moore:

http://www.madcowprod.com/ 9-11 Deception: 7 of Mohamed Atta's Closest Associates Were German, Not Arab

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/...03_dekkers.html Mohamed Atta and Rudi Dekkers Seen Together in Venice in Weeks Before Sept. 11 Attack

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/khalid-resurrection.htm Recently Captured al Qaeda Leader Was Killed Last Year

http://feralnews.com/issues/911/dewdney/gh...ders_1-4_1.html Ghost Riders in the Sky - An Alternative 9-11 Scenario

http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/bukhari.htm Planes, Hijackers and Automobiles. Proof of lies and evidence fabrication against the Hijacker suspects of 9-11

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00068.htm They Let It Happen On Purpose! 9/11 The final Dots - Top 20 LIHOP Suspects

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP206A.html Chaim Kupferberg: The Propaganda Preparation for 9/11

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html Michel Chossudovsky: Political Deception: The Missing Link behind 9-11

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html Michel Chossudovsky: The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) in the September 11 Attacks

http://www.rense.com/general25/lurk.htm Lurking Behind The 911 Smokescreen

http://www.rense.com/general24/t500.htm 911 Top 500 Questions

http://www.rense.com/general25/fb.htm America Betrayed - Bush Administration, FBI Complicity In 911

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html The Israeli Spy Ring Scandal

http://www.intellex.com/%7Erigs/page1/wtc/spies.htm Fox News Series on Israeli Spying in the US

http://www.madcowprod.com/ Mohamed Atta had connections with the Saudi Royal Family

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm#2 Articles Refuting Official Story On Osama Bin Laden

http://www.rense.com/general19/cmp.htm Canadian TV Breaks 9-11 / CIA Complicity Story

http://www.radicalpress.com/news/activistskit.htm US Govt Insiders now beginning to spill the beans on 9-11 / CIA connections

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...t_id=2008798215 US and Pak: Sleeping with the enemy (Are The US And Pakistan At War?)

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/asia/russia/092001a.html Terror Attacks In New York And Washington Plotted In The USA

http://www.rense.com/general13/ress.htm Lebanese Druze Leader Believes CIA, Mossad Responsible For US attacks

http://msnbc.com/news/629231.asp?cp1=1 Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service: 'I tell you, it was a coup'

http://www.rense.com/general15/retired.htm Retired Pakistan Intelligence Chief Speaks Out

http://www.konformist.com/911/newshawk2.htm AF Intel source: pro-Bush gov't factions 'absolutely' behind Tuesday's mass devastation!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=24447 The sophistication of the attackers

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reflection.html A Moment Of Reflection: Are you really so sure you have been told the truth about what is going on?

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/mediamanip.html Analysis Of A Headline: FBI Links Hijackers Directly To Bin Laden

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/wtcbombings.htm Who Benefits from the World Trade Center/Pentagon Attacks?

http://www.williamcooper.com/ciasrole.html CIA’s role in the attack upon America!

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/terrorattack3.html How It Is Possible To Orchestrate And Mastermind A Terrorist Attack Without The Terrorists Themselves Even Knowing Who Is Really Behind It

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/toldya.html Told You So... They Have Nothing To Connect Bin Laden That Would Not Be Laughed Out Of Any Court Of Justice

http://www.narconews.com/goff1.html The So-Called Evidence Is a Farce

http://www.haiti-progres.com/2001/sm011107/xeng1107.htm Stan Goff: The evidence is a farce-II

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?articl...4&group=webcast Stan Goff: What they are doing is very, very dangerous

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/...=62&story=98195 Missing: crucial facts from the official charge sheet against Bin Laden

http://www.whatareweswallowing.freeserve.co.uk/hitler1.htm Historical precedence - The Reichstag Burns

http://emperors-clothes.com/misc/bamford.htm U.S. Military Schemes: Ominously Like 9-11

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/illegaltrades.html Suppressed Details Of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly Into The CIAs Highest Ranks

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/08/ret.attack.bush/ Bush: Bin Laden 'virtually took responsibility'

http://www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm 7 Of 19 FBI Identified Hijackers Located Alive After WTC Attacks

http://11september.20m.com/bush_clutching_straws.htm Six Men Identified by FBI as Dead Hijackers are ALIVE

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...jsp?story=96697 Robert Fisk: What Muslim would write "The time for waste and fun is gone"?

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=98195 Missing: Crucial facts from the official charge sheet against bin Laden

http://www.public-action.com/911/hvideo.html Carol A. Valentine: The Taliban Home Video

http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html Carol A. Valentine: Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW

http://www.rense.com/general15/aljazeeraTVsaid.htm Al-Jazeera TV Said An Israeli-CIA Asset - bin Laden Video Called Fake

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_418949.html Russian MP claims US carried out September 11 attacks

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted? -Introduction & Section 1GUILTY FOR 9-11: BUSH, RUMSFELD, MYERS

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm Update to Section 1:

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm Section 2: 'Mr. Cheney's Cover Story'

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm Section 3: 'Bush in the Open' - What George Bush knew before he went to the Booker School on 9-11*

http://www.rense.com/general17/eurointelexperts.htm Euro Intel Experts Dismiss 'War On Terrorism' As Deception

http://www.rense.com/general18/flo.htm Spooks, Saudis, 911 & Florida

http://geocities.com/vonchloride/ The Truth About the 9/11 Attacks

http://www.williamcooper.com/vnsexclusivesarchives6.html#who William Cooper: WHO BENEFITS? THE QUESTION NO ONE DARES TO ASK!

What now

http://www.rense.com/general26/attaflightschoolowner.htm Daniel Hopsicker: Atta Flight School Owner Survives Suspicious Plane Crash - 9-11 Clean Up Crew At Work?

http://cryptome.org/usa-destroyed.htm The War that Destroyed America

http://www.rense.com/general20/bldd.htm William Thomas: His Own Worst Enemy - World Backlash Builds Against Bush Part 1: Blood In The Water

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html Death Toll Mounting As Connections To Dyncorp, Hadron, Promis Software And Disease Research Emerge

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page....ll&siteid=50143 John Pilger: The Colder War

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...06/ED125108.DTL The day Ashcroft censored Freedom of Information

http://sierratimes.com/archive/files/dec/06/eddf120601.htm Duncan Frissell: What's Our National Identity?

http://www.centrexnews.com/columnists/skousen/2001/0921.htm The Bush Speech To America: A Critical Analysis

http://www.rense.com/general13/dosd.htm The New War-ld Order - America's New War

http://www.norfed.org/html/newsletter/2001/oct2001.htm The Nazi-ization of America - September 11th and the Reign of Government Terror to Follow!

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../13/93136.shtml Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks

http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins53.html War Is Not The Answer

http://www.rense.com/general14/bbdl.htm Egyptian President Mubarak Still Has Not Seen Bin Laden Proof

http://www.rense.com/general13/themillennium.htm The Millennium Conflict - America First or World Government

http://www.public-i.org/story_01_092001.htm Will Truth Again Be First Casualty?

http://www.rense.com/general14/harvey.htm Harvey - There Is Absolutely Nothing To Worry About

http://www.copvcia.com/stories/sept_2001/ww3.html World War III

http://www.ccops.org/alert20010

Let's stay on point can we??? Wim if you have issues with Tosh, please take them up privately, you're now starting to sound like Vernon. (sorry)

Pam:

Please dont tell me that Wim is a Bob Vernon clone. I mean I really liked the guy when we were tag teaming Vernon over at Lancer.

I did notice his complete silence when I was booted off however.

PS- go ahead and use any email from me that you wish.

Jim

Hyper vigilance: Over; above; beyond - on the alert, watchfulness as it relates to being able to trust FBI people to tell the truth concerning the JFK assassination.

Zack Shelton and his denial about telling James Files on December 1, 1998 he was at the infamous torture session with Files in 1977 but “didn’t take part in it” comes to mind.

Thank you for making my point Wim that unnecessary stress from you only makes the situation worse with PMS and PTSD.

Oh yes, I will publish To Kill A Country and it is very important to me.

For anyone who has not read the story behind the book, here is the link:

I wanted Jimmy to comment on domestic assassination programs and the plans for civilian concentration camps and prisons here in the United States. I had him commenting on the drug trade sponsored by the CIA and DEA. Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, Florida’s key role in the drug business and other things he had first hand knowledge and participation in.

Let me back up for just a minute. Before I made my list of interview questions in February 2001, I had spoken with Kenny Larry on October 8, 2000. We had a great talk and I looked forward to meeting him and his wife the next time out to Chicago.

Jimmy, myself, Kenny, Big Mike, Mark, Danny and all the people I had contact with in September 2000 were in what could be called “the circle of trust” and we did not have any problems. They all trusted Jimmy and his judgment and Jimmy knew deep in his heart I wasn’t a government secret agent trying to pump him for information. God set up our relationship not the FBI, CIA or any alphabet group that I was accused later of being part of.

I think the suspicions started when Bob Vernon and Zack Shelton were trying to produce a documentary and they were going around the Chicago area, as Jimmy would say, “beatin’ doors down” trying to find out information about James Files from former associates in his old neighbor hoods. Zechariah “Zack” Shelton, badge number 6865, is the Special FBI Agent (now retired as of 1998 – officially) who gave Joe West the lead on a prisoner in Stateville who might know something about the JFK assassination. The FBI has known of James Files involvement in the JFK assassination since 1964. I have no idea how long Mr. Shelton knew about Jimmy and JFK before he gave the tip to Mr. West. Zack and Jimmy go way back and he has been chasing him for contract murder and the chop shops for many years in the Chicago area. Even though he denies it now, Zack admitted to Jimmy on December 1, 1998 in the Stateville visiting room he was present at the 1977 FBI torture session but did not take part in the torture. Jimmy said, “Well does that make it right?” This is when Jimmy was drugged, kidnapped, and tortured with a cattle prod until he lost consciousness and his voice from screaming. Like I said, Zack denies ever saying that to Jimmy and I have to believe Jimmy because he has never lied to me. This is a very touchy subject with Zack because his credibility is on the line with other statements he has made concerning the JFK assassination in his documentary project he started with Bob Vernon and is now with Wim Dankbaar.

So, when Bob and Zack and fellow associates in the entertainment production business who are either current or former FBI agents, were trying to get information from Jimmy’s acquaintances, Jimmy’s friends all started getting nervous and shut us out. Kenny moved. Big Mike and Mark moved. This was unexpected and they cut off all communication with Jimmy and I. No phone. No address. No forwarding address.

At the time I didn’t understand why they cut us off, but Jimmy said he did. They probably thought I was working with Bob Vernon and they all did not like him or his FBI buddies snooping around. Why would I love an old man in prison if I were young, beautiful, available and free? In their minds this could only be explained away by me being a G-Woman working covertly with the feds to bust the peons in the Outfit to make themselves look good.

“She’s a government snitch Jimmy! You’ve done too much time and this broad’s gotten to ya!” I don’t know exactly what they said but they all quit taking to us or accepting Jimmy’s calls from prison. Thanks Bob and Zack. Some of those friendships were 40 years old and now the only thing they honor is blood. Watch the Godfather again if you need a refresher on how these guys deal with betrayal of trust.

Pamela,

NETHERLANDS ATTACKS AMERICA'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!! ohmy.gif

"If you keep posting without clearing it with me first, I will see to it that you'll never publish Jimmy's book. That's a promise!

You probably have an idea that you can do what you please. Go for it and find out !"

Wim

----- Original Message -----

From: Wim Dankbaar

To: Pam

Cc: Daniel Marvin ; Kris Millegan

Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:19 PM

Subject: last chance

Okay.

For several years now rather than exclusively JFK studies, I have concentrated my efforts on two much larger and more important US govt conspiracies. In order to EDUCATE the many members of this forum, I will post in this category much of my previous work in these two areas.

Thank you Jack for bringing this to the education forum. I know I'm really sick of the JFK studies especially the CIA did it, the Mafia did it, the Cubans did it and on and on. A person can only take so much while the guilty parties just laugh at us running in circles.

Today while studying the Holy Grail "bloodline of Jesus" Merovingian dynasty conspiracy, I found this link and thought I would share it with those who wish to take a break from JFK.

Happy trails everyone.

Pam

http://users.bigpond.net.au/trt/Illuminati-NWO.htm#Bush

NETHERLANDS ATTACKS AMERICA'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!

"If you keep posting without clearing it with me first, I will see to it that you'll never publish Jimmy's book. That's a promise!

You probably have an idea that you can do what you please. Go for it and find out !"

Wim

----- Original Message -----

From: Wim Dankbaar

To: Pam

Cc: Daniel Marvin ; Kris Millegan

Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:19 PM

Subject: last chance

I thought I would attempt to provide a brief summary of the Kennedy Assassination. This is very much my interpretation of what took place. Please fell free to criticise this account or to add your own interpretation of what happened.

Greetings All I would like to offer up the following for your concideration in addition to John Simkin's thinking on the subject at issue:

I am fairly certain that most if not all members of this forum are at least aware of the famous Flying Tigers who engaged the Japanese during WWII while based in SE Asia prior to America's entrance into the war. While this is certainly true and even heroic on its face what many may not know is that according to my uncle, Russel (Pappy) Phipps, the primary mission of the Flying Tigers was to provide armed escort to cargo planes flying over the [HUMP] as it were between Burma and China obstensivley to provide logistics and support to the Chinese resistance fighting the Japanese occupation forces in China. However, according to my uncle, the bulk of the cargo he personally flew into China during the 70+ missions he conducted was comprised of raw opium produced in the Golden Triangle area of what was then, French Indo-China and of which fueled a major portion of the world's Heroin supply.

Sometime after the war and after the Communist Mao took over China and the French got the proverbial boot at Diem Bien Phu the former commander, Andre Chenault (If memory serves), sold the entire operation to the CIA which renamed it Air America and conducted business as usual placing General Van Trang, one of Chang Ki Chek's warlords in charge of the Hmong opium producers, based in an area of Laos known as Lima Sierra, (LS-54), being a facet of Operation Whitestar refered to as OPLAN54 under the direction of MACV Siagon, and keeping alive the infamous French Connection.

At the time JFK discovered the existence of OPLAN54 and moved to shut the operation down, the CIA was raking in some 70 billion dollars (US) a year in unaccountable black-bag money which was used to finance their various other operations world wide with zero oversight, and remember folks, we're talking about 1963 dollars here!

Such would of course provide tremendous motive to kill a sitting president since not only would the CIA, but the rich and powerfull bankers and corporations that directly and indirectly profited from the world Heroin trade would also stand to lose billions of dollars if JFK was allowed to proceed with the dismanteling of the operation.

Therefore, I have no problem with the possibility that the decision to assassinate our 35th president was made around a conference table of some multinational board room representing the military-industrial-complex, and prosecuted by rogue elements of the 13 [sISTERS] and organised crime bosses.

Comments Anyone?

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Aloha John,

I will copy this and send it to James Files for comment. He was in Operation Whitestar.

Please see my post on MJ-12 and comment if you care to. Thanks.

Pam

I thought I would attempt to provide a brief summary of the Kennedy Assassination. This is very much my interpretation of what took place. Please fell free to criticise this account or to add your own interpretation of what happened.

As touchy of a subject as it is, the group MJ-12 is often overlooked in the discussion of who organized the killing of JFK.

To find numerous references the individual researcher will have to sort through, search with the key words “MJ-12 Bush JFK oil UFO”

"Those conspiracies that are too incredible to be believed, are by the same right those which most often succeed."

http://www.ufoarea.com/government_dulce_branton_ch1.html

It is interesting to note that James Files mentions Gordon Gray in the unedited version of the November 2003 interview. You’re getting there Wim!

http://think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega3.htm

630000 - Kennedy issues ultimatum to MJ-12 member Gordon Gray, says he's going to spill the beans on the whole mess [CIA disk projects, international drug trafficking, mind control, collusion with Grey aliens, etc.] and inform the public. Kennedy, having had to learn these facts from the RUSSIANS, discovers that the scenario is true and threatens to 'dismember' the CIA if they don't come clean and surrender to Congressional supervision.

631122 - President Kennedy murdered in a fascist coup d'etat attempt carried out by CIA agents, Mafia hit men, and the overseers of MJ-12 [MAJI -- or the BLACK MONKS]; their man Lyndon Johnson becomes President.

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More food for thought...

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/angleton.html

Excerpts from:

The CIA, UFOs, MJ-12, JFK & James Jesus Angleton

As the CIA's Counterintelligence Chief, James Jesus Angleton had access to the Agency's most closely guarded secrets, including MJ-12 files on UFOs.

ANGLETON AND THE MJ-12 DIRECTIVE

Among the controversial documents leaked to the public in the last 20 years regarding state secrets and the UFO phenomenon, are the CIA's unacknowledged Majestic Twelve/MJ-12 files which disclose the most guarded of all classified subjects: extraterrestrial life-forms and their technologies.8

In order to secure this knowledge and prevent foreign countries from learning this vital secret and getting an edge on the United States, President Harry S. Truman signed a directive that basically said that no one (including a chief executive) was to be in possession of or disclose the finding without a "need to know" clearance which was above Top Secret.9

The directive was secretly implemented without the knowledge or consent of Congress and was concealed by the wording of the National Security Act of 1947, which prohibits the disclosure of classified matters without presidential approval and prior agreement by the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency, as amended in later versions of the National Security Act.

Knowledge of the finding was limited to only a select few within the government's intelligence and scientific communities. As long as the secret remained unresolved, there would be no official acknowledgement. The only official study program, Project Blue Book, was taken over by the CIA in 1953 as a public experiment and used as a debunking tool to discount the extraterrestrial reality, and possibly to quash any attempts by the KGB and GRU to glean any technological or defence secrets from the study.

Like the Manhattan Project group, Majestic Twelve or MJ-12 (as used in some leaked documents) was a joint government/military/private-sector undertaking that encompassed every facet of national security functions. The CIA was the premier intelligence agency tasked with maintaining the first line of defence of the United States during the 55-year Cold War between the capitalist West and the communist East. When Angleton assumed his throne as Chief of Counterintelligence, no doubt Truman's directive was a most inviting instrument, allowing him to carry on his mole-hunting career within the CIA against the KGB and GRU.

Majestic Twelve enjoyed greater protection than did the hydrogen bomb program of the early 1950s. With that, the Soviets were driven to penetrate not only the secrets of the H-bomb program itself, but the ultimate prize that lay scattered throughout the US Government's maximum security research facilities located in the southwestern and eastern United States.

The shocking truth of the Soviet atomic weapons espionage program, Enormous, dealt a tremendous blow to US and British security when it was learned that British diplomats operating within the US State Department, as well as US Army technicians at Los Alamos National Laboratories, had not only supplied blueprints and materials for the atomic bomb to their KGB handlers in New York, but had stolen the proposed plans for the hydrogen bomb as well. Security officials were left guessing as at what else the Soviet spies had stolen from under their noses.10

As far as we know, there was no successful penetration by KGB or GRU agents into the CIA's UFO program - in large part, due to the disgraceful and unlawful actions taken by Angleton's CI Staff. After the fallout from the Burgess-MacLean-Philby defections and the execution of the Rosenbergs, Angleton tightened security and dedicated himself to safeguarding whatever secrets still eluded the Soviets. Thus he embarked on a vicious mole-hunt that would almost paralyse the CIA until his departure in 1974.

During the time of the Eisenhower administration (1953-1960), the CIA was at its apex in covert operations, piling up one success after another where cores of Soviet moles were detected and sent home to Moscow. However, comments from the White House were nil when it came to the UFO problem, although Eisenhower's supposed meeting with extraterrestrials in 1954 was given some publicity. While it was largely discounted by the Press, some did try to connect Eisenhower's heart attack with the meeting. The national media were downplaying the UFO sightings in the US and abroad as part of a Cold War hysteria that accompanied the "duck and cover" scare that seemed to grip the country. No real problems popped up until the 1960 presidential elections when Democratic candidate Senator John F. Kennedy accused the Republican incumbent President Eisenhower of allowing a "missile gap" to exist, and charged that the United States was getting too close to the Soviet Union through détente.

Soon after Kennedy became President, he began to needle the CIA for information on UFOs,11 which was unnerving at the outset to Allen Dulles after he was burned over the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Castro's communist-enslaved Cuba in April 1961. The once cordial relationship that had existed fell apart, and Dulles knew his time as DCI was short - as evidenced in his 1961 draft directive to MJ-12.12 He knew that the explicit instructions contained in the September 24, 1947 Truman directive - prohibiting the DCI from making disclosures to a chief executive who obviously did not have a "need to know" clearance - would compromise the CIA, but also that the lengthy and costly UFO program, deemed so necessary to national security by all involved, simply could not be jeopardised for anyone - not even the President of the United States.

Knowing the character of Allen Dulles and James Angleton, I can only speculate as to what kind of response Kennedy got. The DCI Top Secret/ MJ-12 document leaves no doubt that Dulles was not going to cooperate with Kennedy's request of June 28, 1961, which he forwarded to Angleton for consideration and feedback.

Majestic Twelve/MJ-12 included spin-off projects that were obviously equally sensitive activities of the CIA, such as Parasite, Parhelion, Enviro, Psyop, Green, Spike and House Cleaning. Other sensitive and covert programs could be affected as well, such as MK-ULTRA, Artichoke and Domestic, which all appear to have been operational projects associated with Majestic Twelve. The full implications of the above are not clear at present, but it is obvious that the other projects were held in readiness for some kind of mass indoctrination and deception undertaking in a national crisis.

MARILYN MONROE AND MURDER, INC.

The pressure put on the CIA by Kennedy was reaching a flashpoint of wills; and with the Noresenko affair13 driving Angleton to obsession, a UFO leak crisis brought new strains on Angleton. He learned that Hollywood screen star Marilyn Monroe's phone conversation with a New York art dealer14 - in which she discussed Kennedy's secret visit to an undisclosed military base to see alien artifacts, and her disdain over her soured relationships with President Kennedy and his brother, the United States Attorney General - had been recorded by CIA domestic electronic surveillance experts. Since 1955, Monroe had been under surveillance by the CIA, and the FBI had maintained a security dossier on her because of her marriage to a well-known American writer suspected of having communist affiliations, and her trip to Russia and the Press coverage she received while she was there.15

The wire-tap report also mentions nationally recognised New York syndicated reporter Dorothy Kilgallen as having conversations with Monroe regarding the Roswell UFO crash of 1947 and President Kennedy's politically motivated NASA Apollo Moon program. Dorothy Kilgallen made headlines in 1955 when she disclosed a private conversation with a British Cabinet official who told her that UFOs are real and that the US and British authorities consider the matter as of the highest importance.

The significance of the wire-tap has to do with the fact that Monroe was murdered the following day in her Brentwood condo. According to Milo Speriglio, internationally recognised private investigator and director of the Nick Harris Detective Agency, Monroe was the victim of a national security management hit by the CIA and the Mob.16 The suggestion that somehow the CIA was involved in a domestic murder of an American citizen is not too far-fetched when considering the past abuses coming from Angleton's CI program with its "absolute security at any cost" philosophy. Whether Angleton authorised the hit is not known, but the modus operandi of the way her body was found and moved around, the fashion in which the autopsy records were changed to reflect suicide, and the theft of her secret red diary one day after her autopsy, all have similarities to the methods used by Angleton's covert CIA Counterintelligence operators.

JFK AND THE CIA'S UFO FILES

The final straw for Angleton came when President Kennedy fired off a Top Secret memorandum to him,17 outlining a previous discussion concerning a classification review of all CIA UFO files that could affect national security. It was dated November 12, 1963 - just 10 days before he would be gunned down in the streets of Dallas, Texas.

Kennedy informed Angleton that he was setting things in motion to share sensitive CIA UFO intelligence data with the Russians through the director of NASA, James Webb.18 This request was made on the same day he requested Webb19 to begin Kennedy's peace overture to the Russians via joint space exploration. Webb, being a board member of the intelligence community,19 most likely interpreted Kennedy's program to mean the sharing of classified UFO data, which was forbidden under the current directive.

In Kennedy's Top Secret memorandum,20 he outlined for Angleton the specific items he wished to have disclosed to Webb, such as "[to] have the high-threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to the classified CIA and USAF sources", and "that we make a clear distinction between the known and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence-gathering of their defense and space programs". Finally, Kennedy wanted Angleton to "arrange a program of data-sharing with NASA mission directors in their defensive responsibilities".

This was unprecedented and was totally unacceptable to Angleton and the CIA. Here, Kennedy was requesting the Central Intelligence Agency - the agency he swore he would "break into a thousand pieces" - just to hand over the most guarded secret ever! This memo was passed on to William Colby, who indicated to someone in Angleton's staff in a handwritten note, "Response from Colby: Angleton has MJ directive".21 The note is dated November 20, 1963 - just two days before Kennedy's assassination.

It seems that Kennedy's request was bounced to and from Angleton's desk; either consensus was being sought, or the buck was being passed back to Angleton. In any case, it was a hot potato that Angleton had to deal with. It is also significant that NSAM No. 271 was the last to come from Kennedy's desk, just before he left Washington for Dallas. Whatever the real significance, it was buried somewhere within the CIA, and Angleton spent many a day trying to figure out who ordered Kennedy's execution.

Was Angleton set up, or did he unintentionally supply the needed ingredient for the murder of the century? In either case, the secret remained safe.

NSA SPECIAL ACTIVITIES

One of the few former CIA officers to speak publicly on the Kennedy assassination and the UFO secret is Victor Marchetti, who at one time was Assistant to the Deputy for Plans and Operations under DCI William Colby. In a rare interview with Second Look magazine in 1979, Marchetti - author of the sensational book, Cult of Intelligence, which was vetted and censored by the CIA prior to publication (the only book to include the redacted portions within the text) - made some interesting observations regarding the CIA's UFO intelligence-gathering program and why the subject is not open for discussion.

Retired Air Force intelligence officer Robert Collins produced for his website an insightful foreword to an extract from the Marchetti interview, in which he quotes Marchetti as saying: "My theory is that we have, indeed, been contacted - perhaps even visited - by extraterrestrial beings, and that the US Government, in collusion with other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public."

Marchetti alluded to "rumors" at the highest levels within the CIA that the NSA has information as well, and that this must be kept away from public viewing.

We know now that the National Security Agency does have sensitive COMINT files, which for reasons of national security it cannot disclose. One of these NSA files that Marchetti speaks of might be the NSA intercept of Kennedy's phone conversation with Khrushchev on November 12, 1963, in which Kennedy spoke of a "situation that affects both our countries and the world" and "a problem that we share in common".

It is believed that the UFO problem became a national security issue when President Truman authorised the covert establishment of the National Security Agency, whose primary responsibility bordered on "special activities" - perhaps as outlined in an alleged Intelligence Estimate prepared by national security officials on September 30, 1947, in which one of the concerns stated that "what we are up against is controlled by intelligent operators" and that "these objects are real and not illusionary".

It is not surprising that, in 1968, an NSA employee drafted a significant analysis of the intelligence community's ambivalence towards the UFO camouflage and warned of dire consequences unless the defence establishment woke up and recognised the danger these phenomena pose in the nuclear age.

On a final note, the legend of James Jesus Angleton and his "wilderness of mirrors", as he often referred to his daunting task of protecting vital state secrets, faded into obscurity on May 11, 1987. But the secret that went with him re-emerged almost precisely the day he died.

Perhaps Jim was not the real bad guy in the counterintelligence game. Maybe he was its victim.

Endnotes:

8. This remarkable fact is substantiated in the mistakenly downgraded Top Secret Canadian Department of Transport intra-departmental correspondence, dated 21 November 1950, from Wilbert B. Smith to Dr Robert I. Sarbacher, an American physicist and science consultant in the US Defense Department's Research and Development Board and a member of the Guidance and Control Panel. Smith acknowledged that UFO studies were "considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance" and that the "matter is the most classified subject in the United States Government, rating higher than the H-bomb".

9. September 24, 1947 Top Secret/MAJIC/ Eyes Only Project White Hot Preliminary Estimate in Five Parts (unacknowledged by the US Government). See Robert M. Wood, PhD, and Ryan S. Wood, The Majestic Documents, Wood & Wood Enterprises, 1998, pp. 43-81.

10. November 25, 1955 Top Secret memorandum from Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton, Deputy Director for Intelligence, The Joint Staff, to the Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, ref. JCS 1712/5. This report deals with the Burgess-MacLean defection, after it was learned that sensitive weapons research information had been sent to Moscow through diplomatic means and after the CIA was informed of the defection. Angleton was devastated to learn that Kim Philby, a longstanding friend of British intelligence, was part of the spy ring.

11. Unacknowledged June 28, 1961 Top Secret National Security Memorandum from President John F. Kennedy to The Director [Dulles], Central Intelligence Agency, Subject: Review of MJ-12 Intelligence Operations as they relate to Cold War Psychological Warfare Plans. It is a one-line request that reads: "I would like a brief summary from you at your earliest convenience."

12. Unacknowledged CIA Top Secret/ MJ-12 Counterintelligence carbon copy of draft directive from Director of Central Intelligence to MJ-12 members 1 to 7, with eight tabs on government watermark onion skin paper, circa 1961.

13. Yuriy Ivanovich Norsenko was a Soviet KGB officer who defected in 1962. Angleton had him detained and tortured for three years, believing the warning given by another KGB defector, Anatoliy Mikaylovich Golitsyn, that Norsenko was ordered to defect and act as a disinformation plant to spread misleading information to the CIA regarding Soviet capabilities and intentions. Later CIA analysis suggested that it was Golitsyn, not Norsenko, who was the real mole planted within the CIA. Angleton was convinced that Golitsyn was a bona fide defector and he used Golitsyn's information, but the CI mole-hunt virtually destroyed the CIA's covert operations for some time.

14. Top Secret CIA wire-tap report, dated August 3, 1962, of discussion between Marilyn Monroe and Howard Rothberg, with references to Project 40, Moon Dust, the 5412 Committee and MJ-12. The report was given to Angleton and has his signature at the bottom right-hand portion of the document, establishing that CI was aware of Monroe's desire to blackmail the Kennedys over their indiscretions during a sexual affair with her prior to August.

15. FBI file No. 105-40018-1, formerly classified Secret. CIA is copied on an August 19, 1955 FBI document from Mr Dennis A. Flinn, Director, Office of Security, Department of State. A copy was sent to Director, Central Intelligence Agency, for the attention of Deputy Director, Plans, and was marked Secret. It was declassified on November 11, 1978, but the subject matter was redacted.

16. See Adela Gregory and Milo Speriglio, Crypt 33: The Saga of Marilyn Monroe - The Final Word, Birch Lane Press, 1993.

17. This would be amazing, since no one in government knew that James Angleton worked for the CIA, much less of his existence, since there were few pictures of Angleton and very few within the Agency knew who he was and what he did. It is also interesting that until his appearance before the Church Committee in 1975, the public did not know about Angleton or his CIA Counterintelligence position. His identity had been kept secret for 20 years.

18. National Security Action Memorandum No. 271, dated November 12, 1963, to The Administrator, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, Subject: Cooperation with the USSR on Outer Space Matters. President Kennedy instructs James Webb as Administrator of NASA to "...assume personally the initiative and central responsibility within the Government for the development of a program of substantive cooperation with the Soviet Union in the field of outer space, including the development of specific technical proposals. I assume that you will work closely with the Department of State and other agencies as appropriate." Kennedy had requested an interim report on NASA's progress in this adventure by December 15, 1963. Of course, after Kennedy was killed, this program was never acted upon.

19. It should be pointed out here that James E. Webb served on President Truman's Psychological Warfare Strategy Board and assisted in revising NSC 10/2 for the Office of Policy Coordination (Covert Operations) in 1948 for the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff for emergency plans in case of war. He also was the author of the Webb Staff Study that worked out cooperation between the military and the CIA concerning IAC intelligence-sharing of foreign atomic research with the AEC, which allowed the DCI prerogatives in the dissemination to key executive officials. Webb considered the DCI slot after Rear Admiral Hillenkoetter left office in 1950.

20. Top Secret Kennedy memorandum to the Director [of Counter Intelligence], Subject: Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security, dated November 12, 1963.

21. ibid.

Additional References:

For further updates and reports, see:

· http://home.sprintmail.com/~rigoletto/ tim_cooper_documents.html

· http://home.sprintmail.com/~rigoletto/ Sanctuary_Of_The_Birds.htm

About the Author:

Timothy S. Cooper is an independent researcher and writer who has worked in security and investigation fields for 15 years. A Vietnam veteran, he began researching military UFO intelligence operations in 1988 and has collected extensive CIA and NSA files. He has also acquired the largest collection of MJ-12 documents and privately owned, original Project Blue Book files in the USA

I thought I would attempt to provide a brief summary of the Kennedy Assassination. This is very much my interpretation of what took place. Please fell free to criticise this account or to add your own interpretation of what happened.

As touchy of a subject as it is, the group MJ-12 is often overlooked in the discussion of who organized the killing of JFK.

To find numerous references the individual researcher will have to sort through, search with the key words “MJ-12 Bush JFK oil UFO”

"Those conspiracies that are too incredible to be believed, are by the same right those which most often succeed."

http://www.ufoarea.com/government_dulce_branton_ch1.html

It is interesting to note that James Files mentions Gordon Gray in the unedited version of the November 2003 interview. You’re getting there Wim!

http://think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega3.htm

630000 - Kennedy issues ultimatum to MJ-12 member Gordon Gray, says he's going to spill the beans on the whole mess [CIA disk projects, international drug trafficking, mind control, collusion with Grey aliens, etc.] and inform the public. Kennedy, having had to learn these facts from the RUSSIANS, discovers that the scenario is true and threatens to 'dismember' the CIA if they don't come clean and surrender to Congressional supervision.

631122 - President Kennedy murdered in a fascist coup d'etat attempt carried out by CIA agents, Mafia hit men, and the overseers of MJ-12 [MAJI -- or the BLACK MONKS]; their man Lyndon Johnson becomes President.

Ron,

I read this in the American Free Press this morning as well. Thank you for posting this article and helping educate people on the education forum.

A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Hey Wim...there is that pesky FBI again that we are dealing with in America.

In another post there is a question about LBJ and Marcello. I find it interesting that LBJ and Hoover were best of buds and Hoover is on record for saying there is no such thing as Organized Crime in America. The FBI is STILL covering for the gangsters that run our country.

From this article Ron posted you can see the FBI complicity in our national nightmare didn't go away when Hoover died. Yet, you still put so much trust in "former" FBI agents. Is it any wonder the James Files story is so messed up with the FBI in the middle of the investigations relating to him?

Pam

Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite.

(At least I think that is what she was trying to say, thread being gone I can't go back and recheck).

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Pam:

You are correct that Dawn noted: "Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite."

My response to her was and is as follows:

"You are correct about my having slammed Pam's constant blame of the Israelis, including recitation of James Files' assertion of the Mossad possessing an aerial film of the JFK assassination. That is nutsville, and the constant repetition of the Jews did it mentality did/does not sit well with me. I'm still a supporter of Israel as I am of America, but the countries are not the same thing as their leaders. I don't hold the average Israeli to blame for that country's Nazi-like prime minister's policies any more than I would want to be blamed for Bush and Co.'s."

Tim

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Hey Tim,

Can you please explain the differences between Judaism and Zionism? I clearly see two separate groups of "Jews" that inhabit Israel.

I also see two separate groups in America that call themselves Christians. Those who support Zionism and those who support Judaism. The pro-Zionists are the ones who voted for Bush's re-election. I realize many are just good church goin' folks listening to their pastors, but their ignorance enables our leaders to invade and destroy any country Israel wants eliminated. Iran seems to be next on the agenda.

Until the Christians wake up and see the deception, they will think they are doing God a favor by supporting any and all of the hard-line Israeli aggression in the name of self-preservation. Their leaders tell Christians that to say ANYTHING against Israel is tantamount to blasphemy against the Word of God.

Just as James Files has an "I was there" perspective in matters that deal with assassination and covert ops, I have an "I was there" perspective on what really goes on in fundamental churches and ministries. We have both deeply repented of aiding the enemies of mankind.

Pam

John:

Brilliant analysis. Every "Christian" who voted for W needs to read this and understand this. (Of course they will do neither).

Your piece was perfect timing for what I needed to read today.

Tim: I aso agree with you, but I recall when Pam pointed out something guite similar to what you wrote you dismissed her as an anti-Semite.

(At least I think that is what she was trying to say, thread being gone I can't go back and recheck).

Jim: 9-11 is very important, but as John and Tim so elequently pointed

it's all tied together. Always ask: "Who benefited?"

This forum is GREAT folks!!!

Dawn

Dawn,

I’m taking a break from re-editing my book To Kill A Country and thought I would stop in the Education Forum to see what is happening.

I decided to put the book back together and not have it focus only on the JFK assassination. Some people will have a fit that I’m doing this but the original book was covering a broad spectrum. This includes, but is not limited to by any means, showing how the Mossad and U.S. intelligence agency work hand in hand.

You can find my other post in the “letter from James Files” thread.

Here is sample from the middle of my introduction that I’m re-working and updating.

I was very impressed that he was endangering himself and showed courage to tell the truth about the events surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. In February of 1999 I wrote him a simple letter thanking him for telling the truth. We developed a friendship and on September 6-7, 2000 I visited James Files at Stateville Prison. It was then he asked me to do this book. I said, “Yes, with God’s help.”

It hasn’t been easy to communicate with James Files being a political prisoner of the FBI and CIA, incarcerated at a maximum-security prison. Letters usually take a minimum of two to three weeks to get to him, sensitive information usually a month or longer. Highly monitored, taped phone calls, give or take all the lock-downs, have only been since April 2000.

Little did I know when starting this project I would witness the most horrific terrorist attack on the American people by its own government September 11, 2001. Knowing full well how the U.S. Government really operates, Files has a lot to say on this terrible event and many other “Black-Ops” sanctioned by the leaders of our country. The war has truly come home.

This book is about the truth, unsettling and unimaginable as it might be for some people to comprehend. We want to believe in our leaders and that they are looking out for our best interests as a nation. Sorry to say, this is not true. Power, control and greed are the ends that justify all the inhumane means being implemented on a trusting, propagandized public.

Most of the information presented is in the form interview, James commenting on various articles I have sent to him in prison, articles from the Internet, as well as his original material from TO KILL A COUNTRY. He has a unique “I was there” perspective. We are going to expose and weave the events of history together in such a way that the average person can understand the seemingly disconnected complex issues that confuse and confound the mind of us all concerning The New World Order.

Going around the globe in the name of Freedom and Democracy, United Nations Peacekeeping and plunging the peoples of the world into despair and despotism isn’t what this nation historically stands for. Remember the Protestant Pilgrims? Catholics, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, et cetera weren’t on the boats sailing to freedom. Yes, I’m aware there were Saints and Strangers coming to America, but this high level subversion and treason to our Protestant Constitution has to stop, otherwise we get the CIA’s domestic War on Terrorism thrust upon us, like it or not, while we foot the bill as taxpayers, not to mention having our Bill of Rights ripped away with anti-terrorism legislation.

Satan, the devil, is the main terrorist but a history lesson is in order on the multinational conspiratorial group he malevolently controls, known as the Illuminati; people who worship Lucifer by name. We will be reaching into the high echelons of Freemasonry and other secret groups, the creation of money, the high level infiltration of the State Department with the pro-Zionist lobby, and all of the international intelligence agencies. Get your Bible out and follow along as the Scriptures are opened regarding the prophetic times we live in, especially in the conspiracy for the New World Order section of this book.

Other people in America also share some of my sentiments. The following is from the letters on page 22 in the December 6 & 13, 2004 issue of American Free Press:

“Some in the media have rejoiced over the death of Yasser Arafat, adding the hope the he is the last “celebrity terrorist.”

No, he is not the last. Israel’s prime minister, Ariel Sharon, is still alive. Known as the “Butcher of Beirut,” Sharon led the invasion of Lebanon that brought wholesale death and destruction, and then followed this by massacring women and children in the Palestine refugee camps there – and his horrible crimes continue even now.

Sharon is the only terrorist who can announce he is going to Washington to see the president of the United States and members of Congress and they welcome him with open arms.”

We will look at in detail the CIA’s international media manipulation called Operation Mockingbird, which they hoped you would never find out about. The International Banksters and big-Babylon-business will get their fair share of credit when it comes TO KILL A COUNTRY.

George H.W. Bush, David Rockefeller, and Henry Kissinger need to come up front and center to answer some questions at one of the proposed Military Tribunals set up for terrorists. While were at it, demand Chile’s Augusto Pinochet to come too. After all, he’s a team player.

There are answers.

· We the People insist the scoundrels that are in power leave by volition rather than force. All law enforcement, military and National Guard personnel, I implore you to decide whose side you’re on. Remember the oath you took to defend and protect the Constitution and We the People?

· America needs to start respecting the International Law of Nations. Just for practice, let the Kingdom of Hawaii exercise the right to self-determination and respect the peaceful and lawfully Reinstated Hawaiian Government. www.Reinstated.org.

· Publicly and legally nullify the treaties and laws made against the Protestant Constitution of the United States of America after WWII in San Francisco where a creature from hell was hatched called the United Nations.

· Get the United Nations - read modern Tower of Babel - off American soil and never participate in their peacekeeping again. Bring our young men and women in the military - New World Order cannon fodder- home and defend our country and its borders. What a concept.

· Abolish this King George mentality and stop bombing countries now!

· Quit shutting down people who come up with renewable forms of safe energy besides oil. Besides the known alternative energy sources, release the secret, antimatter, amplification of gravity wave, technology once and for all. We are not children who are unable to deal with the source of this technology.

· American and Israeli intelligence agencies need to quit training terrorists and being the biggest active group terrorizing people on the planet.

· Most definitely get rid of gallons and gallons of the “Satan Bug Virus” out of the underground bunkers in Pine Bluff Arkansas - “one pint can kill every living thing on earth” - and dispose of it safely somehow.

· America needs to quit being the guardian of the Jesuit- Mossad controlled Synagogue of Satan Zionist hard-line Israel. See Revelation 2:9 and John 8: 39-44, Jesus speaking to Jewish religious leaders. Lest anyone accuse me of being anti-Semitic I’m not talking about God’s chosen people, Messianic Hebrews-Jews and the true Israel we are to bless. American citizens, especially Christian Americans, need to differentiate between the two versions of Israel. What would Jesus do? He called liars and all those who reject Him children of the devil. John 8:44.

· You folks in the Holy Land need to stop fighting and killing each other and have a serious Bible study to find out who the real enemy of mankind is. Here is a clue: it isn’t the Palestinian people. Out of love I’m going to tell all of you who are Islamic-Muslim; you are in for a rude awakening thinking that you are going to heaven-paradise for blowing yourself and others up to be a martyr for your “God”. Don’t do it! Especially don’t encourage your precious children to do it! Eternity is a long time to live with a bad decision.

· Declare jubilee and the cancellation of debts; return the creation and supply of interest free money to lawful government represented by the people. Repeal the 16th amendment that taxes everybody literally to death.

· Make all the rich Elite Families return what they have stolen- number one, the power to create money out of thin air, the privately owned Federal Reserve System.

· Establish honest verifiable elections. Outlaw lobbying and only individuals can contribute to election campaigns. Corporations and business cannot be allowed to influence our elections.

· Abolish the NSA, CIA, NRO, FBI, Homeland Security, FEMA and any other subversive “above the law” agency.

· Quit forcing our precious children to be vaccinated with monkey pus, mercury, thimerosal, formaldehyde and other poisons all in the name of modern medicine, later showing up as “incurable diseases” like cancer and autism.

· For a start, bust the Rockefeller’s, and their water boys like Henry Kissinger, Clinton’s and Bush’s for treason, conspiracy, drug smuggling and murder on the scale of genocide.

· Quit being the policeman of the world and constantly creating the best enemy money can buy. Let nations prosper and bless their own. We’re supposed to be a light as a Protestant Christian nation, not enforcers of darkness, lies, and death. Why do you think there is so much international hatred towards the policy makers, politicians and the citizens of America who allow this to continue for years, all in the name of Defending Freedom and Democracy?

· If we want to win the War on Terrorism we better look at our own leaders who only want more power, war and the profits. Don’t forget- the Bin Laden, Bush and yes, the Hussein families have been in business together for years.

· Institute major prison reform and release of all political prisoners who were whistleblowers to this massive corruption.

This is a start. Hey, when Jesus returns, what will you be standing for? This end-time world government has been prophesied in the Bible, but are we supposed to roll over and play dead?

People we better wake up and take action before our freedom is gone forever. All the countries that have already been killed are hoping we will awaken from our slumber and be the true Christian America of all the patriots’ dreams.

The Illuminazi’s at the IRS have all the Protestant pastors, with the threat of loosing their 501c3 tax exemption status, intimidated into not telling the flock that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people (individuals) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Article II, Bill of Rights

Some critics will discount any and all of this information as being true. We will be called conspiracy kooks and right-wing religious fanatics and let’s not forget the ever so politically correct and popular label, anti-government domestic terrorists In the name of National Security attempts will be made to stop this book. Not long after he asked me to do this book Files commented, “They know we’re doing a book back East and it’s making them nervous.”

A reality check is in order. Let’s call a spade a spade. The people who run the United States government are the true terrorists. They lie to us and the CIA-Illuminati-Jesuit-Vatican-pro Zionism controlled media back them up 100%. Remember November 22, 1963? Remember September 11, 2001? This book will refresh your memory.

A clear and present danger is upon us as a nation. Truly, I say to us all; we must awaken before it’s too late. This is not to instill fear but faith and courage because God is with us when we walk in truth and love. Jesus said to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and love our neighbor as ourselves. This could solve a lot of problems. Amen?

Satan lost one of his long-time assassins when James Files was born- again in 1999. The devil is a xxxx and wants you to think God is your problem and that he – satan - doesn’t even exist. Fear connects people to satan the same way faith in Jesus Christ our only Savior connects us to God our heavenly Father. God is love and perfect love casts out fear.

Terrorism - politically organized use of fear as a weapon to bring terror and oppression - has no power when there is no fear! If you want true peace and safety accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and mean it. I promise the fear of death and its torment will leave you, not to mention the joy of receiving everlasting life here on earth and going to heaven instead of hell. This will not invite you to a life of disconnected ease but “what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” We better get in touch with courage. Persecution for the truth is not a new thing.

My note to this letter is that if Jimmy is talking about the facts and the truth, he is talking about the facts and the truth AS HE KNOWS them.  Which is only a very partial picture of the events taking place in Dealey Plaza that day.  Furthermore, I believe he is making some wrong conclusions, based on his limited knowledge. For example I doubt that Accardo handed the contract to Giancana.  I believe Giancana was the main culprit in this faction of the conspiracy and he got the blessing from Accardo.  The Chicago mob was just a spoke in the wheel in my opinion, and I believe the lower level operatives of the various spokes in this wheel acted compartimentalized on a need to know basis.

Wim

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Pamela Ray asked James Files to make a statement for the introduction to the November 2003 interview.  This is what he had to say:

Hello to the American people and also the people throughout the world. I hope that everyone gets to see the interview I completed last year. This is the true story of what happened November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas - the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Just prior to the interview, I walked out of the room and refused to do it.  Why?  Because it was my understanding for the past several months leading up to November 2003 that Ms. Pamela Ray would be part of the interview since she is the author of the book we did together, To Kill a Country: The Murder of JFK and the Coup d’etat in America – Revelations from the confessed assassin. 

When I walked into the room, I was informed that Ms. Ray would not be a part of this interview and she wasn’t let into the prison.  At that moment I turned and walked out saying over my shoulder, “then there will be no interview.”  Jim Marrs, journalist and author of Crossfire was to ask me the questions with Ms. Ray present.  Mrs. French, the warden’s spokesperson, was there and she ran after me down the hall to explain why Ms. Ray could not be there.  She said there are rules about media and family or close associates being present during filming in the prison.  Ms. Ray and I were not told this ahead of time.

Ms. Ray wrote a letter back at the motel telling me what happened at the prison.  Jim Marrs was searching through his pockets for the letter Ms. Ray had given him.  In the letter it stated that she wanted me to go ahead with the interview because it would help us get the book out sooner than later. Knowing that it would help her finish the book project, I agreed to do the interview. 

The November 2003 interview deals with the assassination of John F. Kennedy and my role in it.  What you hear will be the truth.  I’m not trying to convince you, just putting the facts out there for everyone to see.  You, the people, have to make up your own mind and I wouldn’t want it any other way.  Just please look at all the facts, take the time to do some of your research afterwards and don’t let the self appointed “experts” mislead you. 

For me, my part started about six months before November 1963 when Charles Nicoletti met me at the Harlo Grill in Melrose Park, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago.  He asked me to take a ride with him and he informed me he had been given a murder contract on John Kennedy.  Mr. Nicoletti wanted me to handle a few minor details like driving and moving weapons around.  My answer was yes and there was no hesitation to do my assignment.  From Chicago to Dallas and the assassination is what this interview is about. Due to a change in plans at the last minute with Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli, I was the second shooter from behind the fence on the knoll in Dealey Plaza.

Many people question my age; such as I was too young to shoot anyone.  I was 21 years old and I had tasted battle in South East Asia, specifically Laos.  I already had several confirmed kills.  For those of you who think a 21 year old is too young to shoot someone, then I suggest you go visit the Vietnam Memorial Wall and read the names and dates.  The majority of the men listed on the wall were less than 21 years of age.  There are not many older soldiers leading the young into battle.  They are too smart for that.  They stay behind and send them out on patrols.  When and if the patrol returns, then they take the WIA and KIA names and numbers and file them. 

What you are about to hear in this interview is the truth as it happened.  Tony Accardo was the one who gave the murder contract to Sam Giancana, who handed it out to Charles Nicoletti, who in turn called in Johnny Roselli.  Roselli was one of Sam Giancana’s top men.  Charles Nicoletti was a known mafia hit man.  I was his driver, gopher, chasing to do whatever he asked me to do.  Believe me, I was no kid, I was a grown man and I gained my manhood in less than a day on the battlefields in Laos during Operation White Star in 1959 and 1960.  Once you have tasted battle, taken another’s life, you are no longer a child – your life has been changed forever.

I hope that you listen closely to this interview, think things over carefully before you make up your mind, one way or another.  Thank you for hearing me out.

James (Jimmy) Files

Joliet, Illinois

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James Files and Pamela Ray’s version of the introduction to the November 2003 interview:

In 1989, Houston private investigator Joe West launched an independent investigation to find the true assassins of President John F. Kennedy. After three years of disappointments and dead-ends, West received a tip from an unexpected source: FBI Special Agent Zechariah “Zack” Shelton. The tip led Joe West to Stateville Correctional Center at Joliet Illinois, and a prisoner named James E. Files.

Files, who is serving time at Stateville prison for attempted murder, actually self-defense, was at first, very reluctant to talk to West. The last attempt on Files life occurred May 7, 1991 with Lake County Illinois, plain-clothes, undercover detectives. James Files has worked for, among other things, the US government as a CIA contract agent and Files believes the attempts on his life were part of what he calls the “Mena Clean-up.”

Slowly and meticulously, West established a relationship with Files. Through months of personal visits and detailed correspondence, Files began to reveal his participation in the JFK assassination.

Files was nearing a full confession when West became ill and suddenly passed away in 1993 under very suspicious circumstances. It took 13 months after Joe West’s death, but on March 22, 1994, associates of West’s videotaped an interview with Files. It was during this interview that James Files first confessed to being the shooter on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, and that it was he who delivered the final headshot to JFK.

Files also implicated organized crime members Charles Nicoletti, Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana, who all had been murdered in the 1970s. The FBI, with their sordid history of cover-ups, has officially declared James Files to be “not credible.”

For the next two frustrating years, attempts were made to bring the interview to the public. The Murder of JFK: Confession of an assassin was finally released at Blockbuster Video stores in 1996.

The video was pulled out in 1998 but not before private concerned citizen, Pamela Ray, viewed the tape and began writing to Files in prison February 22, 1999. Ray is a Christian and wanted to share her faith with Files for showing courage in confessing his part in the JFK assassination. Files converted to Christianity in July 1999.

After painstaking efforts to persuade Files, who had vowed to never again be interviewed, he ultimately agreed to another interview. The second and last interview was taped on November 19, 2003.

Pamela Ray asked Files to put in his own words the events leading up to the November 19, 2003 interview. This is what he had to say:

Hello to the American people and also the people throughout the world. I hope that everyone gets to see the interview I completed last year. This is the true story of what happened November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas - the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

There was a strict agreement with Pamela Ray and Dutch investor Wim Dankbaar that there were to be no FBI agents around Chicago or Joliet concerning me when Ms. Ray was in Illinois from Hawaii to do the interview. Dankbaar assured her there wouldn’t be any FBI people around. FBI Special Agent Zack Shelton and associates were there by invitation of Dankbaar.

Just prior to the interview, I walked out of the room and refused to do it. Why? Because it was my understanding for the past several months leading up to November 2003 that Ms. Pamela Ray would be part of the interview since she is the author of the book we did together, To Kill a Country: The Murder of JFK and the Coup d’etat in America – Revelations from the confessed assassin.

When I walked into the room, I was informed that Ms. Ray would not be a part of this interview and she wasn’t let into the prison. At that moment I turned and walked out saying over my shoulder, “then there will be no interview.” Jim Marrs, journalist and author of Crossfire was to ask me the questions with Ms. Ray present. Mrs. French, the warden’s spokesperson, was there and she ran after me down the hall to explain why Ms. Ray could not be there. She said there are rules about media and family or close associates being present during filming in the prison. Ms. Ray and I were not told this ahead of time.

Ms. Ray wrote a letter back at the motel telling me what happened. Jim Marrs was searching through his pockets for the letter Ms. Ray had given him to explain what happened and that she wanted me to go ahead with the interview because it would help us get the book out sooner than later. Knowing that it would help her finish the book project, I agreed to do the interview. The deal was Dankbaar was supposed to put out a separate “interview only” product and get it to the public ASAP.

The interview deals with the assassination of John F. Kennedy and my role in it. What you hear will be the truth. I’m not trying to convince you, just putting the facts out there for everyone to see. You, the people, have to make up your own mind and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Just please look at all the facts, take the time to do some of your research afterwards and don’t let the self appointed “experts” mislead you.

For me, my part started about six months before November 1963 when Charles Nicoletti met me at the Harlo Grill in Melrose Park, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago. He asked me to take a ride with him and he informed me he had been given a murder contract on John Kennedy. Mr. Nicoletti wanted me to handle a few minor details like driving and moving weapons around. My answer was yes and there was no hesitation to do my assignment. From Chicago to Dallas and the assassination is what this interview is about. Due to a change in plans at the last minute with Charles Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli, I was the second shooter from behind the fence on the knoll in Dealey Plaza.

Many people question my age; such as I was too young to shoot anyone. I was 21 years old and I had tasted battle in South East Asia, specifically Laos. I already had several confirmed kills. For those of you who think a 21 year old is too young to shoot someone, then I suggest you go visit the Vietnam Memorial Wall and read the names and dates. The majority of the men listed on the wall were less than 21 years of age. There are not many older soldiers leading the young into battle. They are too smart for that. They stay behind and send them out on patrols. When and if the patrol returns, then they take the WIA and KIA names and numbers and file them.

What you are about to hear in this interview is the truth as it happened. Tony Accardo was the one who gave the murder contract to Sam Giancana, who handed it out to Charles Nicoletti, who in turn called in Johnny Roselli. Roselli was one of Sam Giancana’s top men. Charles Nicoletti was a known mafia hit man. I was his driver, gopher, chasing to do whatever he asked me to do. Believe me, I was no kid, I was a grown man and I gained my manhood in less than a day on the battlefields in Laos during Operation White Star in 1959 and 1960. Once you have tasted battle, taken another’s life, you are no longer a child – your life has been changed forever.

I hope that you listen closely to this interview, think things over carefully before you make up your mind, one way or another. Thank you for hearing me out.

James “Jimmy” Files.

Nancy,

The reason Wim and Jim Marrs asked James Files about Marilyn Monroe was because it was in a list of questions I had for the November 2003 interview. I already knew Files did not want to talk about her murder on film, but if the question was coming from me, I knew he would say something. The same goes for the questions towards the end of the interview about Files being a threat to National Security, why he is in prison and knowing George H.W. Bush among other things.

Allegedly, Marilyn was pregnant with JFK’s child and she wouldn’t get an abortion. The Kennedy’s JFK and RFK wanted her to take money and quietly deal with it. She wasn’t willing to give up the child in any way shape or form. She supposedly said to Sam when he suggested she go along with the abortion like Judy Exner did, “No f…ing way! I’m going to have my baby!”

So, the call was made, Sam Giancana was given the assignment and the assassins were dispatched. Can any of this be proved? Ask around. The pilot of the plane that left Aug. 4, 1962 from the Illinois Palwaukie Airport for California still is alive and visits this forum.

Don’t expect any answers from him and don’t expect the FBI to release information about their complicity in the cover-up. Same goes for the LAPD. (Sorry Al, the cops were in on it too but the “good cop” Jack Clemmons, the first officer on the crime scene is on record saying, “Marilyn Monroe was murdered.")

What is anyone going to do about her murder? Nothing.

What was James Files role? He drove the car to the airport with Charles Nicoletti and a couple other people that went to take care of her.

God rest Norma’s tormented soul.

Just in case anyone wasn't able to read my story behind To Kill A Country, I've added the attachment.

Merry Christmas Nancy.

In all your seeking, seek wisdom above more knowledge. Please don’t hurt yourself and I mean that with all my heart.

Take it easy and have a nice holiday season. Please take note that Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace.

God bless you always.

Pam

For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity’, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 [isa. 25:1; 40:9-11; Matt. 28:18; Luke 2:11.]

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm

http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materia...tics/sandb.html

Wim,

        Could you e-mail Mr. Madsen and ask him if he wouldn't mind holding his agenda a little lower... I'm having a hard time seeing over it.

thanks

Ian

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Ian,

Just so everything is fair and balanced, Hillary Clinton doesn't like to hear the name John F. Kennedy Jr. in the same way GWHB doesn't like to hear about JFK.

Good but sad article Wim.

Pam

Al, I'm sorry if I offended you. In general there are good cops and bad cops. Everyone accepts this. This goes for FBI agents too.

My favorite grandpa "Papa Murray" was a Portland motorcycle cop until he died in a job related accident. I know some guys have a heart and do it for the right reasons.

I'm friends with the local gun dealer and he sells to the cops. We all sit around and have pau hana and I don't hate cops.

Sincerely,

Pam

PS I'm trying to mellow out about how much Killing of Countries is going on. It is hard but I still care that we are messing up royaly all over the world. I'm not Harwood's sister. I haven't heard from him in a while. Tell him I said hi.

However, I really doubt that because in order for it to really change for the better it would have to be totallity disband and started all over again. Thanks for the reality check. My point; within all law enforcement good people are trying to do a good job for their community and their country. The CIA has become a political arm of specialized politics and still wallows in their hidden sins.

Tosh, You hit the nail on the Skull & Bones coffin. I couldn't agree more. The war on terrorism should begin at Langley.

Peace -Pam

No problem. But if you have to say things, then get it right. Have Files send me his service number for starters. Then you set up a face to face meeting with him and be sure and tell him the reasons I am coming to see him. It is not to challenge him. Its to ask him some very spacific questions which require some very spacific answers. If he is true, then I will know it and he will know it. Its that simple. I have not intended to offend you. If he is not who he says, then he has offended you and violated your trust and that would be between you and him. Be up front with him and let him know my feelings at this point. Until this can be arranged have him give you his service number and the dates of service. That would be a good start. The best to you.

Thank you Tosh. No problem either and no offense. Jimmy has never spoken badly of you.

If he has violated my trust, believe me I would love to be the first person to hear about it. This isn’t fun loving James Files. He can tell you, if he agrees to see you, what it is really like for me. Nobody would envy me if they knew the burden God has placed on my heart for humanity. Jimmy saw this in me and that is why he asked me to write a book with him. My style is informal but I try to tell it like it is so the average lied to propagandized person can get it. Wim thinks I try and tell too much and I just know time is running out.

I’ll see if I can get all the specifics from him…I’ll double check my records because I probably have it or it is being sent to me from the publisher. I will be up front with him like I always am and he will give me an honest answer if he wants the journey to take this course.

I did want to clear up the misunderstanding about what I posted earlier and what point I was trying to make. I have FBI issues to resolve in my life and when I vent anger towards the wickedness in the government I go off pretty hard on them. There are lots of bad guys but the latest bad guys alienated Jimmy's friends from us.

You said: Little lady you got your facts wrong again... the quote you mention about the FBI and my contacting them was in 1976, concerning matters of 1959-63 and had nothing to do with drugs of the 1970 or 80's. I was asked to contack the FBI in 1976, by senator Berry Goldwater's security advisor in reference to John Roseli and my safety, because of what we did in the sixties. I flew for Riddle and Regina in the late fifties and early sixties, not in the 70's and 80's.

Tosh, I was making the point about the government in general not about a specific time period. You probably have the book, Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA and Other Covert Agencies, Written by Rodney Stich former Government Investigator Assisted By CIA & other Spook Whistleblowers. 1998 Third Explosive Edition.

The following is from information on page 446 in a section that is all about you from page 436 through 447. I know Rodney’s style of writing skips around and I took the liberty as well to make a general point.

"The FBI report stated that 'it was his desire to establish his credibility concerning his past activities [working for government agencies and] in establishing contact with the FBI in Arizona in the event he should ever become involved in border-line activities.’ The report stated Plumlee agreed to provide a written report to the Phoenix FBI office. The report stated Plumlee was also flying for Regina Airlines and with Riddle Airlines.

It was obvious for the FBI’s own reports that they knew of the drug trafficking into the United States by the CIA and the military, and that this includes knowledge of the FBI director.”

Just below the end of the last part of that paragraph on page 446, the subtitle is ROUTINE OVERTHROWING OF GOVERNMENTS.

Following on page 447, Mr. Stich is summarizing what you told him after talking in general terms again about the US overthrowing governments.

"Plumlee described the operation known as Operation Grasshopper, which was a top secret military operation, and involved such notable drug traffickers as Barry Seal. He described the protection of the government's involvement in drug trafficking by other government agencies, including the Mexican-American Special Operations Group (AMSOG) whose function was to block drug trafficking. He said that Barry Seal was an operative in this group in its early days.

Plumlee described the brutal murder of a former Air America pilot in Quedo Loco Lobo, near Oaxaca in Southwestern Mexico by a Mexican named Pepe Suequez. Plumlee described how the informant described the killing of the American pilot, Maurice Louis Gonzales, was horribly mutilated and left to die in a Mexican prison for informing American authorities of what had happened."

Again I was just making a point about how terrible this all is in general. To Kill A Country was Jimmy's title not mine. Unless we talk about this mess it just keeps happening. I try and be as accurate as possible. I’m trying to settle down about the urgency of the problems. I wish I did not care so much about people because I care to the point of it being a fault. Dead is dead and you can’t tell dead people the truth.

Thank you for being gracious with me.

Aloha,

Pam