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OVERLAY USED TO ADD US DECAL TO LUNAR MODULE
Jack has a thing about overlays. Pity it's not the case here. It's just material used in the LM construction. The same material that is placed on Quad III. To us, it looks like black paper.
Have a look at the previous two frames on the magazine, AS11-40-5862 and AS11-40-5863.
You can see the same material in those shots. Also check out the LM photos after undocking from the CSM. You can also see it there, albeit not as clearly. Use the hi-res images.
Also, ask yourself - why use a detectable "overlay" - why not just put the decal on the LM when you took the shot? If the decal was missing from some type of "faked" image - why use that image? Why not simply replace that image with something else, reshoot the image (there are plenty of LMs), or simply 'spoil' the image and say it was a poor shot? None of it makes any sense - unless it was a genuine image of a genuine LM on the genuine lunar surface.
Once again, it's not some attempt at a coverup.
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COLOUR PHOTOS VERSUS GOLD FOIL
Jack is getting petulant here, and drags up the "photos on the footpad" claim again.
Notice he only shows the gold foil on the footpads, not any of the mylar and other packing materials.
See the previous post on page 1 of this thread for the whole story.
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WITH AND WITHOUT EXTRA LIGHTING
This has been explained many times, and Jack yet again demonstrates his lack of photographic knowledge by even claiming it.
This is an exert from Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy website. He discuss this very effect:
Bad: The next evidence also involves pictures. In all the pictures taken by the astronauts, the shadows are not black. Objects in shadow can be seen, sometimes fairly clearly, including a plaque on the side of the lander that can be read easily. If the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon, the HBs say, and there is no air to scatter that light, shadows should be utterly black.Good: This is one of my favorite HB claims. They give you the answer in the claim itself: "...if the Sun is the only source of light..." It isn't. Initially, I thought the Earth was bright enough to fill in the shadows, but subsequently realized that cannot be the case. The Earth is a fraction of the brightness of the Sun, not nearly enough to fill in the shadows. So then what is that other light source?
The answer is: The Moon itself. Surprise! The lunar dust has a peculiar property: it tends to reflect light back in the direction from where it came. So if you were to stand on the Moon and shine a flashlight at the surface, you would see a very bright spot where the light hits the ground, but, oddly, someone standing a bit to the side would hardly see it at all. The light is preferentially reflected back toward the flashlight (and therefore you), and not the person on the side.
Now think about the sunlight. Let's say the sun is off to the right in a picture. It is illuminating the right side of the lander, and the left is in shadow. However, the sunlight falling beyond the lander on the left is being reflected back toward the Sun. That light hits the surface and reflects to the right and up, directly onto the shadowed part of the lander. In other words, the lunar surface is so bright that it easily lights up the shadows of vertical surfaces.
This effect is called heiligenschein (the German word for halo). You can find some neat images of it at here, for example. This also explains another HB claim, that many times the astronauts appear to be standing in a spotlight. This is a natural effect of heiligenschein. You can reproduce this effect yourself; wet grass on a cool morning will do it. Face away from the Sun and look at the shadow of your head. There will be a halo around it. The effect is also very strong in fine, disturbed dust like that in a baseball diamond infield. Or, of course, on the Moon.
[Note added June 29, 2001: A nifty demonstration of the shadow filling was done by Ian Goddard and can be found here. His demos are great, and really drive the point home.]
Here is another good website discussing photography you should visit:
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THE MYSTERY OF THE APOLLO MOONROVERS:
CHAPTER 5 - WHAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE?
Once more Jack shows the MESA package (which is very well documented). If you want images of the MESA package - of which there are many - please ask.
There was only video of deployment because, as I have said many times, it was a two-man operation.
And similarity of packages? No - because the LRV did not have any covering. After landing it would be deployed so there was no need for any type of covering. Have a look:
AP15-71-HC-682
No covering of the LRV package inside Quad I. An outer panel was fitted (seen in other images) and that was all. Nice image also showing how it all folded away into the LM.
Wrong again, Jack!
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THE MYSTERY OF THE APOLLO MOONROVERS:
CHAPTER 4 - WHY WERE NO PHOTOS TAKEN?
This has been explained before. LRV deployment was a two-man operation, so there was no-one to take still photos of it being deployed.
There was, of course, television footage of the deployment. See previous post.
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THE MYSTERY OF THE APOLLO MOONROVERS:
CHAPTER 3 - THE ONLY OFFICIAL EVIDENCE
Jack says "not a single photo of a LRV attached to the port side of the LEM (sic) can be located" - yet he shows two!
The preflight fitting of the LRV to the LM, and one inflight!
Of course, Jack discounts these because they do not support his fantasy.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...5-70-HC-911.jpg
Apollo 15 crew in front of LM & LRV mockup prior to flight. LRV located Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...5-S71-21324.jpg
Apollo 15 crew preflight. Note MESA package open in QUAD IV and LRV in front of QUAD I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...KSC-71P-206.jpg
LRV uncrated at KCS (shows packaged form)
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...SC-71PC-224.jpg
Same again
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...SC-71C-2210.jpg
Apollo 15 LRV check fit at KSC. LRV in Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...KSC-71P-281.jpg
Apollo 15 LRV check fit. Quad I.
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo/galler...C-71P-282_t.jpg
Apollo 15 LRV check fit. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...5-71-HC-682.jpg
LRV fitted to Apollo 15 LM. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...5-71-HC-684.jpg
Apollo 15 LRV check fit. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...SC-71PC-415.jpg
Apollo 15 LRV check fit, showing same configuration as Apollo 16 inflight image. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...15-91-12336.jpg
Apollo 15 S-IVB, showing stowed LM and LRV visible at top left. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...-71-HC-1452.jpg
Apollo 16 LRV deployment test. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...16-72-HC-57.jpg
Apollo 16 crew deploy LRV from LM mockup. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...6-118-18894.jpg
Apollo 16 LM in lunar orbit with LRV visible. No "retouching" in this image.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...KSC-72P-212.jpg
Apollo 17 crew deply LRV from LM mockup. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...7-148-22695.jpg
Apollo 17 inflight just prior to docking with S-IVB. LRV can be seen stowed at top under thruster. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...7-148-22698.jpg
Apollo 17 inflight during docking with S-IVB. LRV stowed can be seen at top under thrusters. Quad I.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/...151-23201HR.jpg
High resolution image of Apollo 17 LM after undocking from CSM in lunar orbit. LRV can just be seen. Quad I.
"Jagster" and "Eta C" from the Bad Astronomy / Universe Today Bulletin Board also pointed out there are a number of online videos showing the LRV deployment. They were taken with cameras that had already been set up prior to the LRV deployment:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/video15.html#deploylrv
Yep - "not a single photo of a LRV attached to the port side of the LEM (sic) can be located". Of course if you don't look for something, you can't locate something.
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THE MYSTERY OF THE APOLLO MOONROVERS:
CHAPTER 2 - THE INTERNET "GOON SQUAD"
If pointing out blatent errors is being a goon, then call me Spike Milligan.
I think this is what pyschologists call "denial".
Everything - images, documentation, plans, etc - everything says the LRV is mounted in the Quad 1 bay on the descent stage. The APOLLO 16 images Jack posts even SHOW the LRV stowed on the LM in the Quad 1 bay. Jack cannot present even a single piece of LM documentation that has the LRV in Quad IV.
It's only Jack, however, that can see it's all a big coverup - and he is the only one who knows the truth. The LRV was really stowed in the Quad IV bay, and all the documentation is merely disinformation. All the images are doctored. All the equipment builders are liars. All the astronauts are "in on it".
(For those who think this is a little harsh towards Jack, I would point out he calls highlighting errors and revealing the truth a "vicious personal attack", and includes me in an "internet goon squad")
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THE MYSTERY OF THE APOLLO MOONROVERS:
CHAPTER 1 - TRACKS WHILE STILL PACKAGED
These are hardly mysteries - they are simply mistakes which Jack makes time and time again. So many times it makes you wonder whether it's error or intentional deception.
1. The open side is the MESA, not the LRV. (From our viewpoint MESA left of ladder, LRV right of ladder). You'll see this is a continuing theme throughout all these "mysteries".
2. From the ALSJ:
AS17-140-21370 ( 206k or 1111k )Frame from Jack's EVA-3 pan. Up-Sun photo of the LM ladder, the hatch, the MESA to the left of the ladder, the LRV deployment hardware to the right, and the SEP pallet against the leftmost (north) strut. Note the jettison bags under the LM at the right edge of the frame. Scan by Kipp Teague.
The LRV had been unpacked LONG before the image was taken.
The MESA package is covered in the image to stop lunar dust getting into the package.
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THE PROOF IS IN THE DETAIL 2
Indeed it is - only it's not the proof Jack wants to see.
In Jack's post, the left hand image is correctly labeled as AS17-147-22488. It's taken from inside the LM looking west.
The right hand image, which Jack has also labeled AS17-147-22488, is actually AS17-147-22494, and also looks west. It was part of a pan sequence called Jack's 4 o'clock pan (a17pan1174743). It consisted of frames AS17-147-22492 to AS17-147-22521.
As you can see in the pan shot, it was taken from about 15-20m NNE of the LM.
So the difference in the images is about 20m north/south.
Now look at the images Jack has chosen (and again cropped for his own reasons), as well as the image just prior to 22494, which is 22493:
AS17-147-22488 (annotated)
This 22488, the first image. I have labeled some items to help identification.
AS17-147-22493 (annotated)
This 22493, the frame PRIOR to the second image Jack used. We are now some 20m right (north) of where the original photos were taken. We are alos closer to the ground, so smaller objects are more difficult to identify. We can, however, still identify some of the objects from the first image.
AS17-147-22494 (annotated)
This is frame 22494, the other image Jack used. We can still see the objects identified in the previous images. They have moved, as expected when the camera viewpoint was changed from inside the LM to about 20m north of the LM.
And contrary to what Jack has said, we are NOT closer. We are at the same distance, or more likely, slightly further away.
Once again, no anomoly, no skullduggery.
Once again, Jack is wrong.
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THE PROOF IS IN THE DETAIL 1
Jack has tried this one on before but with a slightly different tack. Exactly how far away is that rock, Jack?
From the ALSJ:
117:48:26 Schmitt: Well, you're (at the) wrong angle. Yeah, they're turning![Gene is driving around the back (east side) of the LM, more or less toward Jack who is still northeast of the spacecraft. Jack's photos of the test drive are AS17-147- 22521 thru 22526. Photo 22523 shows Gene approaching from the south. Note that the TV camera, high-gain antenna, etc. have not yet been mounted on the Rover. Bear Mountain is the dark hill beyond the right front wheel. Frame 22526 is an excellent close-up of Gene on the Rover. Note the light plume of dust coming off the right-front wheel. The tires are made of a wire mesh which is strengthened by a chevron pattern of metal plates. Before taking 22527, Jack moved away from the LM to the east. This photo shows Gene continuing north past the east (minus-Z) strut with the South Massif in the background beyond the LM. Note that Gene is driving down into a shallow depression. The vertical post at the back of the Rover is the geopost on which Jack will mounted the geopallet. The boulder in the distance beyond the geopost is Geophone Rock. It is about 3-meters tall and is 200 meters ESE of the LM.]
This is an error which has been reported today to the ALSJ. The boulder is WEST-NORTHWEST of the LM, as is apparent from the image. The distance, though, is still about 200m.
AS17-134-20435 ( 144k or 705k )123:01:05 SEP site. This is Gene's photo from the end of the east arm of the SEP transmitter array, showing Jack at end of west arm. Also visible are the SEP transmitter, the LRV, the LM, Geophone Rock, and the ALSEP. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
The SEP site is 150m ENE of the LM. So now Geophone Rock is 350m away from the camera.
See here for the details of what Jack tried to claim with the same images - and was proven wrong.
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MOUNTAIN BACKDROP CHANGES AGAIN
No, it doesn't. This is one of the many times where Jack calls something wrong when it is perfectly correct, even to the Apollo novice.
Look at the top B&W image. We looked at this in detail previously. The frame is taken from 150 metres east-southeast of the LM.
Confirm this for yourself by looking at the previous post or looking at the high resolution image of AS17-143-21933. Look at the aspect the LM presents to us. Remember that the "back" of the LM (the big flat side) is east.
Now take a close look at the high resolution image of AS17-134-20435. Look at the aspect of the LM. We are now 150m east-northeast of the LM.
We were looking FROM the ESE, then we were looking from the ENE. In other words, our view has shifted to the left, and the background has moved to the right - perfectly consistant with the images shown.
Jack is wrong again.
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APOLLO 17 LM DISAPPEARS
Actually, it doesn't.
The top image Jack has correctly labeled is AS17-134-20435. It was taken from the SEP site, which is about 150m ENE of the LM.
Notice how the LM is relatively small at a distance of 150m.
The bottom image, which Jack does not give an ID for, is AS17-146-22387, taken from Geology Station 8, over 4km to the northeast of where the previous image was taken.
Links to the bottom image:
AS17-146-22387 High Resolution
Reference to the ALSJ also tells us that the LM is actually in the frame! It is a long distance away, but is shown in this high resolution image, a17det22387, by Bob Fry.
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ROCKS LIGHTED FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS
Firstly, from the ALSJ:
AS17-135-20588 ( 97k or 814k )141:42:23. Gene and Jack have just reached the rim of Cameot. The large group of boulders where they will do Station 5 at the end of the EVA is beyond the piece of the high-gain assembly that extends diagonally into the picture from the left. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
AS17-135-20589 ( 108k or 911k )141:42:30. Gene is turning the Rover to the right so Jack can take two photos of the interior of Camelot Crater. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
Look at the images. The shadow direction changes because the LRV is turning between frames.
Also look at an image of the LRV again, and look where the dish antenna is located and how it is mounted.
AS17-146-22367
Now, look at the full images of 20588 and 20589 again.
Look at the shadow on the camera in 20588. The shadow under the lens shade indicates the sun is pretty much behind the photographer. It is centralised across the top of the TV camera lens, basically horizontal.
Notice also that the shadow of the TV camera is pretty much uniform across the camera base immediately under the camera itself. That also indicates the sun is pretty much behind us - and reasonably high in the lunar sky.
The LRV turns to the right. Now look at 20589.
The shadow across the TV camera lens has changed, and tilted to the right. Notice how the right hand side of the camera mount is now sunlit, as is a portion of the central section directly under the TV camera. The left hand side of the mount is still in shadow.
The shadow of the antenna dish changes shape because it is now being lit from a side angle. Its shadow also moves to the left as the the sun (relative to the dish) moves to the right.
THIS IS ALL CONSISTANT WITH A RIGHT TURN OF THE LRV AND THE SUN NOW BEING HIGH OVER THE RIGHT SHOULDER INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTLY BEHIND.
Once again, Jack is wrong.
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BASE OF CAMERA MOUNT CHANGES BETWEEN PHOTOS
Yet again - no it doesn't.
Firstly, please have a look at the 'base' during a final fit of the LRV to the LM. It is the high resolution version of ap17-KSC-72PC-411.
Here is a crop from that hi-res image:
AP17-KSC-72PC-411 (high resolution, cropped)
As you can see, the mount is covered with a highly reflective material, in squares. I'm guessing that this is for thermal control reasons.
Now look at a crop of the mount from AS17-134-20475, which is the left-hand image in Jack's post.
AS17-134-20475 (high resolution, cropped)
You can see the silver squares reflecting part of the LRV's gold-coloured coating.
Now look at a crop from AS17-134-20453, the right-hand image in Jack's post.
AS17-134-20453 (high resolution, cropped)
Once more, you can see the silver squares, this time reflecting what might be the lunar surface.
The material on the camera mount made up of highly reflective, silver / mirror finish squares. The positioning is the same, and you can see some type of securing screws around the mount edges in all the images.
There is NO change in the mount appearance. In Jack's example, he has deliberately cropped out portions of the base to make it appear to have changed.
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THEY GOT THE PERSPECTIVE BACKWARDS
This is a tremendous example of how Jack has no understanding at all of perspective. Jack never learns. He's used similar images in this example to others which have been proven wrong before.
When you are close to an object (e.g. the LM), its apparent size in relation to a distant background object (e.g. mountains) is much greater than when you are further away from the object (LM) and compare its apparent size to a distant background object (mountains).
See the Clavius website for a more detailed explanation.
It doesn't matter how many times you say it Jack, it won't alter the facts. When you are wrong, you are WRONG.
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MORE APOLLO 17 STAGEHAND BOOBOOS
No, it is Jack who continually gets things wrong.
AS17-143-21973 sequence taken from LM, looking west at the South Massif about 7.5 km away.
AS17-136-20707 sequence from nearly 200 metres WEST of the LM (i.e. closer to boulder) at the ALSEP site. From the ALSJ:
[Measurements of the apparent size of the LM in photos taken from the ALSEP site indicate that Jack has picked a spot about 185 meters from the spacecraft. He is about 40 meters north of Geophone Rock and, from Rover navigation readouts Gene will report later in the EVA, the ALSEP azimuth from the LM is about 27 degrees north of west. Fendell pans to Gene, who is still taping.]Inset has no identification and same error. See the previous posts about knowing where the images are taken from, and see the next post for an explanation on perspective.
Don't forget to look at the FULL images, and not just the crops that Jack gives you.
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OOOPS... APOLLO STAGEHANDS MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE
Ooops.... Jack makes the same mistake he always makes. He only looks at one portion of the image, crops it, then claims he has evidence.
The only evidence that is demonstrated is that of Jack's ineptitude at dealing with the Apollo images.
Look at the FULL image of AS17-147-22515:
AS17-147-22515
Now look at the FULL image of AS17-147-22521:
AS17-147-22521
Firstly, they are part of a pan sequence, a17pan1174743, called Jack (Schmitt)'s 4 o'clock pan.
It comprises of frames AS17-147-22492 to AS17-147-22521.
Look at 22515.
You can see that the LM leg appears at the very right hand edge of the crater.
Directly behind the crater, you can see another small crater. To the top-left of that small crater you can see a set of 'twin rocks', about even with the left hand edge of the large crater. To the top-right you can see a fair sized rock. It is about 2/3 along the crater's horizontal width.
Now look at 22521.
The LM leg is now about 1/4 the way inside the crater width (from right to left). The 'fair sized rock' is now about 1/4 along the crater width (left to right). Only the far right edge of the 'twin rocks' is now visible. Note also the footprints now visible in front of the primary crater.
Once more, the photographer has moved a little during the pan sequence. between 22515 and 22521, he has moved further away from the original point and has moved a little to the right.
YET AGAIN, JACK HAS BEEN UNABLE TO NOTICE CLEAR DETAILS IN THE FRAMES, AND HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACCOUNT (DELIBERATELY?) OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE CAMERA POSITION.
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THE HILL, THE ROVER, AND THE LEM
Once more Jack doesn't give you the full picture or details, and makes basic mistakes with perspective.
The B&W image is AS17-143-21933. It is indeed the LRV's final parking place.
The colour image AS17-134-20443 is part of a pan sequence, called a17pan1230624_db. The previous frame shows the LM.
Here is a crop from the pan sequence:
A17pan1230624_db (cropped, annotated)
There is the LM on the left.
Now, take a close look at the aspect the LM presents to us:
A17pan1230624_db (cropped, scaled to 200% of original size, annotated)
We are about 150m east-northeast of the LM.
Now look at the LM in 21933:
AS17-143-21933 (high resolution, cropped, annotated)
We are about 150m east-southeast of the LM.
The mountains in the background are over 7km away (see the previously posted traverse map).
The photos are taken from two different locations, giving the illusion that the LM has moved.
It hasn't. Try it for yourself. Park your car on a flat area with a mountain backdrop at least 7km away.
Have the car parked pointing directly at you.
Move back 150m.
Adjust your position left and right so you take a frame from the left fender side, and the right fender side. Not a big change - just so you can tell what side of the car you took the image from.
Compare the results; did the car appear to "move'?
YOU MUST BE PART OF THE APOLLO CONSPIRACY!
Edited to add:
This diagramme might help explain what you apparently see.
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THE CASE OF THE MISSING LEM
This is an interesting one, and I need to explain it with a diagramme.
First, lets talk about the images. All were taken during EVA-3.
The first (top left) Jack has shown is AS17-140-21496. It was taken from Station 6 at 165:34:01.
The large rock in it is called Tracey's Rock (after Gene Cernan's daughter). In the distance, about 10 km away, you can see Bear Mountain on the left hand side.
The second image (bottom left) is AS17-134-20454. This was taken at Station 9 at 168:47:03. Once more, you can see Bear Mountain, about 7.5 km away.
The last image (bottom right) is AS17-134-20508 and was taken near the ALSEP site (which is just near the LM) at 170:26:44. Once again you can see Bear Mountain, about 6 km away.
In the last image (20508), you can clearly see the LM. Because we can see Bear Mountain throughout the frame, we can estimate the approximate field of view from the camera.
NOTE: ENSURE YOU USE THE WHOLE IMAGE FOR THIS ANALYSIS, AND NOT CROPPED VERSIONS SUCH AS JACK HAS SHOWN.
The first image (21496) shows Tracey's Rock, but doesn't help us much apart from Bear Mountain. If we look at the previous image, AS17-140-21495 high resolution, we can get some interesting results.
The ALSJ tells us this about 21495:
[The lightened area around the LM is visible just over the summit of Tracy's Rock in 21495...Elsewhere in the ALSJ it tells us it appears as an orangey dot. I have done a crop to show you:
AS17-140-21495 (high resolution, cropped, annotated)
What this tells us is that from Station 6, the camera was pointed almost right at the LM, and once more we can approximate a field of view.
On the right is the start of the South Massif, and on the left is the right hand edge of Bear Mountain. Jack's feature 'B' can be seen in it.
So we have the LM visible in two of the frames now (albeit AS17-140-21495 rather than 21496), and we can approximate the camera field of view (i.e. left & right edges of the frame).
If we now go to AS17-134-20454, taken from Station 9, we can see Bear Mountain in the background and to the right is the "gap" between Bear and the South Massif.
If we plot all this on the traverse map, this is what we see:
The yellow lines represent the approximate camera centreline. Based on what we can see in each frame, the red lines represent the limits of the field of view for each frame.
As you can see, the LM is FAR outside the field of view for the frame taken from Station 9. That's why it isn't visible in that image - it's way off to the right.
Once again - no anomolies; once again - Jack is wrong.
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A17 VISOR REFLECTIONS
All the objects are easily identifiable. I didn't bother to label that the bright object in the top left hand corner. It is a reflection of the sun; I would have thought that would be obvious.
This is an overview of the objects in the visor
AS17-134-20387 (High resolution, cropped, enlarged to 200% of original size, annotated)
Here is a close up of the astronaut (Jack Schmitt) reflected in the visor
AS17-134-20387 (High resolution, cropped, enlarged to 300% of original size)
This shows the other objects in the reflection.
AS17-134-20387 (High resolution, cropped, enlarged to 300% of original size, annotated)
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VISOR REFLECTION ANOMOLY
It's no anomoly.
1. The flag is closer to Schmitt's visor than Gene is.
2. Gene is almost kneeling to get Earth in the photo (see previous post).
3. The visor is a curved surface, which distorts the reflected image.
As for the "editor comments":
"This finding by Jack White does not tally with the recorded Apollo 17 TV coverage. Therefore this still image and the TV transmissions of this event cannot both be valid."
Yet again, the Aulis people - like Jack - lead you astray. Have a look at the TV footage of the event, and judge for yourself whether the ALSJ describes an accurate picture of events or if the Aulis people are being accurate.
I think, like me, you'll find that Jack & Aulis are either being deceptive or grossly inaccurate.
(Link is a Real Video stream)
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SHOULD EARTH BE SEEN IN BOTH CONSECUTIVE A17 PHOTOS?
Short answer - no.
From the ALSJ:
118:25:54 Schmitt: I don't think it's going...You're a little close, maybe, to have them both in focus. That might do it.[Gene starts to bend his knees and, in an effort to get Earth in the picture along with Jack and the flag, almost gets down on his knees. His first effort, AS17-134- 20383 gets the flag but very little of Jack and the Earth, his second photo, AS17-134-20384, is much more successful. After he gets up, Gene gives Jack the camera and they trade places.]
118:26:08 Cernan: Try that one time, then we'll give up and get to work. (Long Pause)
[Jack holds the camera in his hand and gets it as low to the ground as he can without kneeling.]
118:26:26 Cernan: Point it up a little...Yeah. (Pause)
[This is AS17-134- 20385.]
118:26:32 Schmitt: Let me try it again.
118:26:33 Cernan: Okay.
[This is AS17-134-20386. This photo shows the "red apple" actuator for the purge valve reasonably well.]
118:26:35 Schmitt: I don't know, Geno.
118:26:36 Cernan: Okay.
118:26:38 Schmitt: Let me get over here closer to you. (Pause)
[Once again, Jack almost goes to his knees.]
118:26:43 Schmitt: Okay. That might have got it.
[This photo is AS17-134-20387 and, in addition to having Earth in the picture, it shows Gene's checklist and watch/mirror band on his left arm, the OPS actuator on the right side of his RCU, and the OPS antenna on the top of his PLSS. The red bands on the suit and helmet show that this is Gene and not Jack.]
118:26:45 Cernan: Okay, very good.
Research, Jack, research.
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FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR ROVER?
To start, Jack says that both images (AS17-146-22367 and AS17-143-21933) are captioned as 'final resting place of the rover'.
Utter nonsense.
In the ALSJ, AS17-143-21933 is noted as the final parking position for the LRV.
AS17-146-22367 is noted as being a 'locator' shot, taken at Geology Station 8, nearly 5 km away from the final parking position, and taken three and a half hours earlier than 21933.
Is this a deliberate deception on Jack's part, or simply inaccurate / lack of research? Is Jack misleading people, or is he simply incompetent?
166:53:35 Cernan: Yeah. Thanks a lot. (Long Pause)[Gene makes his way cross slope to a boulder due north of the Rover. This is the sample 78135 location as indicated in the Station 8 plan map. Jack is climbing farther uphill to another rock, which is the sample 78220 location. Fendell starts to follow Gene, doesn't find him, and goes back to Jack. Gene's cross-Sun stereo pictures of the rock near the Rover are AS17-146- 22365 and 22366. Ulli Lotzmann has created a stereo-image from the pair.]
[Frame 22367 is a "locator" to the Rover. This excellent picture shows the TV camera pointed off to the left and the high-gain antenna pointed back towards Earth, which is over the South Massif. Note that the low-gain antenna, which is partially hidden by the high-gain is also pointed at Earth. The SEP antenna is behind Jack's seat and the rake for the explosive charges is visible on the back of the Rover. The East Massif is at the upper right. Readers should note the dark blemish on the East Massif foothill above and slightly to the right of the SEP antenna. This is the outcrop area that Gene notes as he and Jack leave Station 8 at 167:39:41.]
Next - "How did it get there without leaving wheel tracks in the moondust?"
The LRV by this time was very light. Most equipment had been removed. Also take a look at the tyres in the high resolution version of AS17-143-21933. They are a mesh design and the chevrons on them aren't very thick. It's possible the activity around the LRV has obliterated what tracks there were. In 21932, a low-res image, you can see what might be tracks to right of the LRV.
A later image at the same location, though, does show tracks going out to that site:
AS17-143-21936
"Why was it being parked so far from the LEM?"
So that the TV camera on the LRV could capture the ascent stage liftoff:
169:59:15 Parker: Okay. And Ed Fendell is hard on my back to remind you that it's better to be too far away than too close.[because of the great distance between the Earth and Moon and other factors, Fendell will have to command the TV camera to start panning upward about 2 seconds before the actual launch. That way, the camera will actually start tilting up at the right time. The farther from the LM that Gene parks the Rover, the smaller the fraction of the TV frame that the LM will fill; and any mistakes Fendell makes in the panning speed won't matter quite so much. From the time that Fendell pushes the button in Houston to move the TV camera until the time he actually sees the camera move is about 6 seconds. In the first two seconds, the signal leaves Houston and travels by land or satellite link to one of the three large transmitters (Goldstone, Honeysuckle, or Madrid), then travels to the Moon (1 1/3 seconds out of the 2 seconds), and activates the TV tracking motors. During the next four seconds, the signal leaves the TV and travels back to Earth where the color-wheel signal is translated into a standard video signal for display in the Control Room.]
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170:01:21 Cernan: And now comes the hardest (high-gain antenna) alignment of them all! But I'll get it. (Long Pause) Somewhere about there. See if I can't tweak it up for you.
[Gene has parked the Rover pointed a little bit south of west, necessarily in the general direction of the LM so that the TV can be used to watch the launch. Because Earth is in the southwestern sky, the bore sight on the high-gain antenna is over the batteries and Gene is having to lean in to do the alignment. The normal Rover heading at one of the geology stops was 045 (northeast). With that heading, the high-gain was pointed back over the Rover and Gene could stand comfortably at the front of the vehicle to do the sighting.]
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170:20:29 Cernan: Oh, what a nice little machine! Parked on a little downslope, but at the heading you want, and I guess Ed's satisfied with the TV response, huh?
170:20:41 Parker: Roger. We're satisfied with the TV, Gene. We're ready for you to take the EP number 3. (Pause)
[Gene is now on CDR-33. In Houston, Fendell tells the Flight Director that the distance is "well over" the 450 feet (137 meters) he needs. Gene's photos shows that the distance is about 145 meters.]
"Why are both rear fender bottom sections missing?"
Because they were taken by Gene Cernan as keepsakes (see my previous posts regards this matter).
"Why does the rear of the Rover have a different appearance" / Wheel directions?
Because you have misidentified the colour image as I said in the beginning of this post. That colour image was taken at an entirely different location.
Reply to Editor's comments:
1. Dish is pointed differently because they are two different location, not the same as Jack has said.
2. I would say it is more like 10km according to the traverse map.
3. (sigh) Because they are taken in different locations!!!
I thought editors were supposed to check people's work? The Aulis editor has not checked any facts whatsoever. They have just blindly accepted Jack's work as accurate, without checking the most basic of details. Would it be because they hold a similar view, and that any discrediting of Jack's work would also weaken their own (already flawed) claims? What does that say about the validity of the remainder of the Aulis website? You can be guarenteed of one thing - they won't publicise this thread on their own website because it fatally damages their own claims.
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Jack White's Aulis "Apollo Hoax" Investigation - A Rebuttal
in The Apollo Moon Landings
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LEM BLACK PATCH ANOMOLY
This is a good example of why you should check things for yourself, and not take anyones sayso on things. Not Jack. Not me. Check for yourself.
If you do, you discover a couple of things.
Firstly, the visor reflection. Look at the high resolution version of AS17-134-20482.
This is what you'll see:
AS17-134-20482 (high resolution, cropped, annotated)
It's the reflection of the lunar surface. You can see the LM shadow clearly.
Now, Jack's other claim:
NO OTHER PHOTOS OF THE FLAG DECAL SHOW THIS BLACK PATCH
AS17-134-20488
You can see the 'black patch'. It's a piece of the black material that forms the covering on some sections of the LM. This section is loose and is hanging down.
OH! And look! A reflection of an astronaut in the visor! That has to be proof it's a fake, right, because "there is nothing in the photo to create such a reflection".
AS17-140-21370
Another example of the "black patch". You can see it's hanging over the top right corner of the US flag decal.
Now, the "editors" comment:
Obviously it is not part of the LM. Obviously all the other images which show the same material (from all the landings) is just a coincidence.
Just remember: if you ignore it, it's not really evidence.