Thomas H. Purvis

Sounds to me as if this is a work which could possibly make some much needed corrections in history in regards to what LBJ actually was, as a person. Perhaps someone should make a TV movie and force all who profess to be an "American" watch it. (in lieu of football games/etc:) Is there any mention of the SS Agents detailed to LBJ's protection after he retired to Texas? The one to whom I spoke years ago indicated that virtually all who had to deal with LBJ, absolutlely despised him. He stated that were LBJ to have ever been assassinated during this period, the first suspects should be the SS assigned to his protection. Nevertheless, I have no impressions that LBJ had anything whatsoever to do with the actual assassination. His dubious role in history does however include the establishment of the WC in order to foster the lie which they perpetrated on the world in regards to "THE SHOT THAT MISSED". The entire population of the civilized world should make a pilgrimage to the grave of LBJ, and thereafter relieve themselves (in both means) upon it. And even with this, there would exist a larger pile os S**T underground than exists on top of the ground. LBJ's photo would serve as an excellent "Poster Boy" as to why a capitalistic society appears as a failure.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/pic_j.htm We had--the commandant of the school was an attorney, and I think she got some legal assistance from him about divorce proceeding or something. She talked to him about it, I know. His name was Farrell, Herbert D. Farrell. He was commandant of the school. Did you ever talk to him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Citizens'_Council The first known chapter of the WCC was founded by fourteen people in the Delta town of Indianola, Mississippi on July 11, 1954. The prime instigator was Robert "Tut" Patterson, a plantation manager and the former captain of the Mississippi State University football team. Additional chapters soon appeared in other communities. In Louisiana, leaders of the original citizens council included State Senator and gubernatorial candidate William Rainach, future U.S. Representative Joe D. Waggonner, Jr., publisher Ned Touchstone, and Judge Leander Perez, considered the political boss of Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes south of New Orleans. ============================================================ May I again remind one that attorney "Robert Oswald" of Pascagoula, MS, happened to be one of those who became a member of the governing/founding body of the White Citizen's Council. http://mdah.state.ms.us/arrec/digital_arch...|1|1|1|1|60036| May I also remind as to who became assistant superintendent of schools in Pascagoula, MS. http://www.co.jackson.ms.us/gipages/Histor.../FairSchool.htm Pascagoula, Mississippi APRIL 28, 1963 -- 2:30 P.M. SCHOOL PERSONNEL Superintendent of Schools Mr. V. C. Gill Assistant Superintendent of Schools Mr. Herbert D. Farrell ============================================================

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...50e66e088c7014# First off! Am I to assume that you find the provided answer as to why Specter & Company failed to conduct a "full court press" in regards to the anterior throat injury, an acceptable answer?? As regards above, need to cut down on those "shotgun" questions. Singular and "simple" questions are generally quite easy to answer. Compounded and complex questions with many inserted clauses are the trademark of Specter & Company to confuse and confound. As example: "The Z-film being broke in several places," Quite obviously, if the film is broken in "several places", then there would be a seperate answer for each specific area of break/splice. As example: On 11/25/63, Time/Life, who had in their possession the original Z- film, conducted an assassination re-enactment survey (Mr. Robert West of course did the survey work) in which they determined the first shot to have been at what would now plot on the larger WC Survey plat as being approximately Z205. In that regards, we also have others who have commented on this, in which they most certainly must have had a better copy of the Z-film than is available to us: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ April 22, 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD FROM: Melvin A. Eisenberg Subject: Conference of April 14, 1964, to determine which frames in the Zapruder movies show the impact of the first and second bullets === (a) The President had been definitely hit by frames 224-225, when he emerges from behind a sign with his hands clutching his throat. ( The reaction shown in frames 224-225 may have started at an earlier point - possibly as early as frame 199 (when there appears to be some jerkiness in his movement) or, with a higher degree of possibility, at frames 204-206 (where his right elbow appears to be raised to an artificially high position.). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ With this in mind, please recall the the WC kind-of "forgot' to give us frames of the Z-film after Z207, thu Z211: http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...8/html/WH_Vol... And in fact, purportedly stated that the reason being that they did not receive these frames of the film from Time/life in which the "accidental" damage to these frames occurred. Unfortunately, this lie don't fly. It is generally quite difficult to make a "composite" photo in which one utilizes Z210, if one did not receive Z210. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...8/html/WH_Vol... =========================================== Next, one must take into consideration the wonderfully "slight"sleight- of-hand work of Shaneyfelt and company in making people think that no shot could/would have been fired before Z210 as a result of the tree limbs blocking the line-of-sight from the sixth floor window. And therefore they gave us the wonderful survey data for Z210. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...8/html/WH_Vol... http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...7/html/WH_Vol... When, in fact, Z210 location was not even surveyed in, and Specter; Shaneyfelt; & Company A. Altered the survey data on CE 884 in order to pull a little wool over the eyes of the gullible: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Altered_Evidence.pdf B. Envisioned a "new math" in which Frame#207 actually became Frame#210 through their usage of the ever-so-creative "Adjusted" position: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/shaneyf2.htm Mr. SPECTER. What was the adjusted frame for the first view that the marksman had of the President's stand-in coming out from under the tree? Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is frame 210 and has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 893 and represents the 10-inch adjustment for the difference in the height of the car as compared with frame 207. Mr. SPECTER. Now, was frame 249 selected as a situs for calculations on the possible construction that President Kennedy was struck in the back at the first point unadjusted at which he emerged from the tree, to wit: frame 207, C. And finally, in regards to those frames of the film after Z207 (specifically, Z209/Z210/ & Z211) which demonstrate the inherent "blurring" which Zapruder incorporated into the film as a result of reacting to the sound of a shot, and which blurring generally begins some 5 to 6 frames after the round is fired, one need apply only the time proven means and methods of "Problem Resolution" as I have been discussing on the other TV channel (and here also) http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/geekend/?p=1122 Problem Resolution Flowchart: Can you "Hide It"?-------------Yes! No Problem. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Hopefully now, you see the complex nature of answering even the most simple and single subject question. So, when you want answers to all of those compounded and complex questions, you are asking someone to not answer the questions, but to also write a book for you on the means and methods employed by Specter & Company in pulling the wool over a whole lot of eyes. Tom P.S. There still was only a "Lone Assassin/Shooter"!

[sorry, Tom Purvis, but I'm not convinced that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the fatal shots were fired; for him to have been a patsy, it would merely have to be POSSIBLE that he could have done the deed...and he certainly was capable.] Well, since I was in Athens, Ohio at the time, rest assured that I do not "know" if he was or if he was not. Just that as of yet, I have found absollutely no other viable suspect, and ALL ROADS lead directly back to LHO. And, many of these roads were not meant to be found! Nevertheless, even with this, I have to stick with what was stated in my original 1994 draft manuscript which dealt only with the first shot/CE399. If you will recall. Tom, I think that perhaps you and I actually are on the same page. Oswald WAS capable of committing the crime, and he was connected to the acquisition of A Mannlicher-Carcano, but as you state, unless new evidence is found, we simply can't put him in THAT window with THAT rifle at the time the shots were fired. Mark; Perhaps as a result of having personal knowledge as to how the "games are played", one can rest assure that whoever was playing the pawn (LHO) was sufficiently smart enough to: A. Make him the designated "rabbit" in which the hounds would chase him. B. Convince him that he could accomplish this and still make it safely to Xanadu. C. Insure that he "permanently" kept his mouth closed in regards to who was yanking his chains. D. All of the above.

For any who are new here or may have missed the "inside cover" in it's entire content.

[sorry, Tom Purvis, but I'm not convinced that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the fatal shots were fired; for him to have been a patsy, it would merely have to be POSSIBLE that he could have done the deed...and he certainly was capable.] Well, since I was in Athens, Ohio at the time, rest assured that I do not "know" if he was or if he was not. Just that as of yet, I have found absollutely no other viable suspect, and ALL ROADS lead directly back to LHO. And, many of these roads were not meant to be found! Nevertheless, even with this, I have to stick with what was stated in my original 1994 draft manuscript which dealt only with the first shot/CE399. If you will recall.

How could "LHO naturally fired 1-inch low of target center" and "LHO consistently fired to the left and thus had to adjust his windage to compensate for this..." when it can be positively demonstrated that Oswald wasn't even in the room at the time? BK 1. LHO's natural shooting position which caused him to normally shoot "low and to the left", and thus require an adjustment to his sights to correct the impact point of a bullet and raise the elevation as well as move it to the right (as is clearly demonstrated through his USMC Rangefire Qualification Record) 2. Has absolutely nothing to do with your mythological hypothesis that it can be "positively demonstrated that Oswald wasn't even in the room at the time?" So, in event that you wish to continue to waste "your" time on your "positively demonstrated" aka demonstratably un-provable hypothesis, please be my guest and start yourself another topic heading on this subject as I most assuredly have no intention of wasting time responding to such completely un-substantuated claims. P.S. You truly should also lay off those Tom Cruz movies as well.

From the other TV Channel. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...797324d0e47a041 That the scope crosshairs may have been "high" (as compared to center of optical alignment) and that the weapon fired "high" for those from the FBI lab who tested it, does not mean much of anything. Due to the slightly different manner in which we all take up a "stock-weld" position when firing a rifle, as well as a slightly different sight picture as a result of this difference, could mean that at this setting, whoever fired the weapon had this adjustment on the scope in order to repetively hit dead center/bullseye. Which also holds true for the cross-hair alignment. The "fixed" sight of the carcano gave little room for adjustment due to "shooter sighting"* error, as does our military weapons, (to include he M-1 Garand). A mounted scope gives the ability (for long range) to compensate for the "sighting error" of the shooter on a "fixed sight" weapon. If one will actually research the facts, they will find that even with the M-1 Garand, LHO as a result of the manner in which he held the rifle as well as took up a sight picture, fired at a point which was low as well as left. This point was anywhere from one to two inches low at close ranges (100 to 200 yard ranges) and as much as five inches low at longer ranges of 500 yards. So, basically, for each 100 yards of range, LHO naturally fired 1-inch low of target center. When the sight is adjusted to compensate for this, it basically adjusts the sight so that anyone who held a perfectly correct sight picture and correct spot-weld position, would generally always shoot "High" with a weapon which LHO had zeroed to his specific sighting. The exact same holds for the lateral/windage. LHO consistently fired to the left and thus had to adjust his windage to compensate for this. Thus, anyone who held the weapon correctly and took a correct sight picture, would have always fired to the right of center. All of which makes it appear as if the scope was adjusted virtually exactly as LHO would have required it for accurate shooting. Tom

I really couldn't disagree more, Toms work is an incredible example of what good solid research can accomplish. This work on its own could be enough to get the case reopened. We all owe Tom a debt of gratitude. Perhaps you could show us your accomplishments Mr Bevilaqua. Problem is that he, and most other JFK researchers focusing on Dealey Plaza related issues, does not have a single identified suspect after almost 50 years. Not a single one. And bullet fragment analysis and autopsy analysis are doomed to failure on that score. Do you understand the difference between proving there was a "conspiracy" and identifying actual "conspirators"? Apparently 85% of the researchers do not. "Guns and Gore can yield no more." I said that almost 20 years ago but some still have not gotten the message. And no one is going to reopen this friggen case. No one. Who is still alive who could be prosecuted and convicted? You let them all get away by doing the Johnny Most dance, the former Boston Celtics announcer: "...he fiddles and diddles". Name one living suspect and one living witness who could help convict them. Actually! From this conversation it is quite apparant that some persons are totally unaware that in the case of a murder in which the body of the victim is available, the great majority of the time investigators must concentrate on and first off figure out exactly "how it was did", prior to attempting to figure out exactly "who did it'. Not much use in hunting for a granny with knitting needles if the victim was cut to pieces with a chainsaw. Of course, there are always those who can resolve nothing, and therefore chase everything. But then again, those of us's from these Mississippi swamps are relative "simple minded" as well, and therefore can neither think nor grasp these GIANT CONSPIRACIES which involve and include slightly over half of the US. Government; Organized Crime; Castro Cubans; Anti-Castro Cubans; multiple assassins; body snatchers; etc; etc; and possibly even some granny with a knitting needle. Therefore, we have to take things one step at a time and deal with only the most simple and non-complex items and issues in order to avoid getting confused and lost in the maze. Such as the WC's lie, which by the way has absolutely nothing to do with the actual assassination event. So, resolving this issue only places one in a better position to actually look at potential rationale and reasons for the other two issues which by all available information also appears to have conspiratorial ramifications. IE: The actual assassination. & The assassination of the assassin. You know, in the possibility that each event has it's own rational and reason, yet one makes some continued attempt to tie them all together under a single "umbrella" of conspiracy, one could become lost and stay confused for say, 40-years or more. And resolve nothing!

I really couldn't disagree more, Toms work is an incredible example of what good solid research can accomplish. This work on its own could be enough to get the case reopened. We all owe Tom a debt of gratitude. Perhaps you could show us your accomplishments Mr Bevilaqua. Problem is that he, and most other JFK researchers focusing on Dealey Plaza related issues, does not have a single identified suspect after almost 50 years. Not a single one. And bullet fragment analysis and autopsy analysis are doomed to failure on that score. Do you understand the difference between proving there was a "conspiracy" and identifying actual "conspirators"? Apparently 85% of the researchers do not. "Guns and Gore can yield no more." I said that almost 20 years ago but some still have not gotten the message. And no one is going to reopen this friggen case. No one. Who is still alive who could be prosecuted and convicted? You let them all get away by doing the Johnny Most dance, the former Boston Celtics announcer: "...he fiddles and diddles". Name one living suspect and one living witness who could help convict them. Actually! From this conversation it is quite apparant that some persons are totally unaware that in the case of a murder in which the body of the victim is available, the great majority of the time investigators must concentrate on and first off figure out exactly "how it was did", prior to attempting to figure out exactly "who did it'. Not much use in hunting for a granny with knitting needles if the victim was cut to pieces with a chainsaw. Of course, there are always those who can resolve nothing, and therefore chase everything.

For those who may not have seen one of the better quality Altgens/Z255 photo's.

Wow! Your really going out on a limb here! BB More for your reading enjoyment. Be it for knowledge gained or merely another good laugh. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...fc28163cd77e8aa The nice thing is that "History" will ultimately be the deciding factor as to exactly who is the DUMBASS. And, although the current trend is that anyone who actually believes the WC as being the factual truths is an overall favorite to win any such title, one should wait for the final outcome/final vote. Which by the way, neither you nor I may actually live to see. For those who wish a "sneak preview": 1. JFK was struck by all three of the shots fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB. (exactly why would anyone even think otherwise?) (Hopefully not as a result of the WC's mythological "THE SHOT THAT MISSED") 2. Shot#2/aka the Z313 impact is responsible for the "Cowlick" entry across the top of the head/brain. A fragment from this round is what struck JBC in the right wrist. 3. Shot#3/aka that impact which occurred some 30-feet farther down Elm St, directly in front of James Altgens location, is the shot which went (downward) through the coat of JFK after having struck just at the lower edge of the coat collar, penetrated the coat on a downward obtuse angle, and thereafter struck JFK in the lower edge of the scalp, slightly above the lower edge of the hairline. This bullet "tunnelled" downwards through the soft tissue at the base of the neck to strike the skull of JFK in the EOP region at a point which is higher (when the head is held erect/which it was not held at, at time of impact) and thereafter penetrated through the mid-brain to exit in the parietal-frontal lobe. Thereafter, the intact bullet continued on, on it's downward trajectory, to strike JBC in the right rear shoulder as he lay across the open area of the jumpseats, exposing his right rear shoulder to the trajectory of the bullet as it exited the head of JFK. NOTE: anyone who has had even basic high-school trig can compute the "angle of attack" at which the third shot struck JFK in the rear of the head, based simply on the elongated (15mm length of the penetration through his skull) Which also happens to correlate with the acute/obtuse angle at which the bullet went through the outer fabric as well as the inner liner of the coat worn by JFK. When one adds in the "tunnelling" effect which the bullet passage conducted from entry point at the lower edge of the scalp, through the soft tissue at the base of the skull, to striking the skull in the EOP region, This is a "gimmee"! There was no "THE SHOT THAT MISSED"!

Wow! Your really going out on a limb here! BB Actually! I have been "out on a limb" for a relatively decent interval of time and was once actually starting to get extremely lonely out here all alone. Now, and in ever-increasing numbers, it is beginning to get quite crowded out here. I take it that you missed that little episode in which the FBI as well as Attorney General of the US were "baited" into accepting documents relative to this issue. Now that was a "good one", and it actually took considerable thought and preparation.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...amp;qpid=167002 Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot. Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that correct? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear. Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side? Mr. HUDSON - Right hand. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z314.jpg Mr. LIEBELER - How many shots did you here altogether? Mr. HUDSON - Three. Mr. LIEBELER - Three shots? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Are you sure about that? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was. Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here another shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And you saw the President get hit by what you heard as the second shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there. Mr. LIEBELER - You think the last shot was fired and the car was about where it actually is in that picture when the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - Pretty close to it; yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - But you think the President had already been hit in the head by the time the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - He had been hit twice, so Parkland Hospital said. He was hit in the neck one time and in the head one time. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brehm.htm According to BREHM, the President seemed do to stiffen and come to a pause when another shot sounded and the President appeared to be badly hit in the head. BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction. BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together ================================================================================ Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between. There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty. ================================================================================ http://www.jfk.org/Oral_Histories/Oral_His…st.asp?Letter=s Malcolm Summers Well, then the car kept coming, and then the second shot rang out. And then the third was just about where I was at, rang out ================================================================================ = Smart thing to do there Malcolm! http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z348.jpg http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2112.htm "a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head." ================================================================= http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/conn_n.htm I just pulled him over into my arms because it would have been impossible to get us really both down with me sitting and me holding him. So that I looked out, I mean as he was in my arms, I put my head down over his head so that his head and my head were right together, and all I could see, too, were the people flashing by. I didn't look back any more. The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg 1. JBC "ain't" down here. 2. The Cerebral tissue blew upwards. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/conn_j.htm Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear. Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazr2.htm Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to determine from your examination of the Governor's clothing whether or not they had been cleaned and pressed prior to the time you saw them? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes; they had. Mr. SPECTER - Is that different from or the same as the condition of the President's clothing which you have just described this morning? Mr. FRAZIER - It is different in that the President's clothing had not been cleaned. It had only been dried. The blood was dried. However, the Governor's garments had been cleaned and pressed. =============================================================================== With all of the (often self-proclaimed) blood-spatter experts floating around, one would think that they would take the time and effort to explain the difference in "splatter" which is received when one is sitting erect in a jump seat and turned slightly to the right as opposed to a "splatter" received when one is laying across the open area of jump seats, thus exposing their back and right shoulder to a downward splatter of cerebral debri, as well as placement of their legs in a position which now exposes them to spatter receipt as well. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z312.jpg +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And now, you know "THE REST OF THE STORY"! Or at least the answer to that "question of obfuscation"!

I really couldn't disagree more, Toms work is an incredible example of what good solid research can accomplish. This work on its own could be enough to get the case reopened. We all owe Tom a debt of gratitude. Perhaps you could show us your accomplishments Mr Bevilaqua. Quite obviously I did not "sign on" here to win friends or influence enemies. As well as being neither socially nor politically "correct"! Nevertheless, I do often manage to get my point across: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...b858a9472426177 So, Mr. DVP/aka Dumbass Von Parrot! Exactly what was it that Henry Heiberger said to you in regards to the spectrographic analysis of JFK's clothing which he conducted? Oh! I'm sorry, you do not actually conduct research do you? Instead, you either read (or have someone else read and explain to you) what the WC has to say, as well as what your butt-buddy Bugloisi has to say on the subject matter. And then, not unlike many of the CT community, you dive off into a rabbithole and run around expousing this as if it were the FACTUAL truths. To that form of empirical research let me state: "STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES"! Now! "For the Record" again. I spoke with FBI Agent Robert Frazier and asked exactly where he obtained his information relative to the spectrographic analysis of JFK's clothing, and specifically the coat. Frazier informed me that he "did not recall" exactly where that information (what he had stated in WC testimony) had come from, and that it "probably" came from FBI Agent John Gallagher. I spoke with FBI Agent John Gallagher and he so informed me that he had absolutely nothing to do with the examination of the clothing of JFK, that he and one other Agent (name not recalled) spent most of their time at Oak Ridge running the new NAA process on bullet and bullet fragments. Again spoke with FBI Agent Frazier who so informed me that if the information to which he had testified did not come from Gallagher, then he did not recall exactly who provided him with this information.* ===========================================================================­==== ========= *Note: Considering the amount of information which FBI Agent Frazier "re-wrote" relative to the Spectrographic Analysis, as well as: Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I had a spectrographer run an analysis of a portion of the hole which accounts for its being slightly enlarged at the present time. He took a sample of cloth and made an analysis of it. I don't know actually whether I am expected to give the results of his analysis or not. It would seem most unlikely that FBI Robert Frazier could not recall the single FBI Laboratory Technician (Agent) who was responsible for having conducted this spectrograpic examination. ===========================================================================­==== ========= SO! Back to FBI Agent John Gallagher. Who informed me that the only two persons who could have possibly conducted this testing would be either Bill Heilman or Henry Heiberger. SO! To Bill Heilman, who stated to me that he conducted none of the testing of JFK's clothing. So! To Henry Heiberger, who stated to me that YES! he had conducted the spectrographic examination of the clothing of JFK. When I questioned Henry Heiberger in regards to the "defect" which was located just below the lower edge of the collar, and which Dr. Humes had stated was where a "control" sample was removed for testing, Henry Heiberger informed me NO! He stated that he took no "control" sample from below the lower edge of the collar and would not have done so as this area was open to contamination from such things as hair cream; makeup; etc which could have contaiminated/compromised the test results. After much discussions relative to the examination of the coat and what had been "passed off/testified to" by Humes and Frazier, Henry Heiberger informed me that if there was any doubts as to what areas of JFK's coat were tested and where "control" samples were taken, that I should obtain copies of his laboratory notes which he completed during the testing/and examination of JFK's clothing and which notes were a part of the official FBI records dealing with the assassination. ===========================================================================­==== ======== Now, Mr. Dumbass Von Parrot, that is what Henry Heiberger personally informed me of. And, were you not such a Dumbass, then you would take the time and effort to obtain Henry Heiberger's "working notes" in which you would find that this portion of what Heiberger informed me was in exact agreement with the notes which he prepared. (Unfortunately, Henry is now deceased. But! Robert Frazier is not (at last accounting), so one could contact him and probably get the same run-around as did I in attempting to unravel this little obfuscation.) Which notes demonstrate that the "CONTROL" for the higher elevation bullet penetration/aka that penetration just below the lower edge of the collar, was taken from UNDER the coat collar in an area which was not normally subject to contamination exposure, and which location was slightly to the left of the "defect/bullet penetration" which is located just below the lower edge of the coat collar, slightly right of center, and in direct alignment with the bullet penetration in JFK's scalp which was located just above the lower edge of the hairline. Furthermore, had you bothered to conduct actual empirical research, then you would have also found that Henry Heiberger received TWO definitive "+" (for copper residue) results from his spectrographic analysis work on JFK's coat. One of these results is from the lower hole in the coat where CE399 entered, and the second "+" reading is from the UPPER hole located just below the lower edge of the coat collar, which hole penetrated the outer fabric of the coat as well as the inner liner of the coat on an acute/obtuse angle. Lastly, some of us here are not "Dumbass Von Parrots" who know only how to repeat the BS of the WC and/or VB, and we actually know the proper format for conducting research. You should make an attempt to learn it and then try it some time. One is far less likely to ultimately look BONEHEAD STUPID if they do so. Tom Purvis +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Commander HUMES - That is approximately correct, sir. This defect, I might say, continues on through the material. Attached to this garment is the memorandum which states that one half of the area around the hole which was presented had been removed by experts, I believe, at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and also that a control area was taken from under the collar, so it is my interpretation that this defect at the top of this garment is the control area taken by the Bureau, and that the reason the lower defect is not more circle or oval in outline is because a portion of that defect has been removed apparently for physical examinations. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++

Some notes on Ned Touchstone's investigation of the assassination, a 46-page manuscript from the Noel Memorial Library, at Louisiana State University in Shreveport, which I obtained by mail after reading of it in Joan Mellon's book: http://coverthistory.blogspot.com/2005/12/...ie-and-jim.html http://coverthistory.blogspot.com/2005/12/...igation-of.html Gary; Sometimes, one has to take an extremely close look at who is "pointing the gun" in order to resolve exactly who it should truly be pointed at. 1. Elmore Greaves/aka Elmore D. Greaves/aka Elmore Douglas Greaves, happens to have become the head of the "White Citizen's Council" of Jackson, MS. One can add to this, becoming the head of the "White Protective and Legal Defense Fund" which collected funds utilized to defend Sam Bowers; publishing a book in 1963 entifled"THE BLACKAMOOR OF OXFORD" [/u] , as well as publisher of the later right wing "Southern Review". http://www.archive.org/stream/activitiesof...03unit_djvu.txt "In March 1965, Imperial Wizard Bowers reported at a State cabinet meeting that the White Christian Protective and Legal Defense Fund would be a permanent organization not only to raise funds for the Philadelphia defendants, but also for the defense of any Klansman accused of committing racial violence. " Now, as to Ned Touchstone, Greaves and Touchstone knew each other personally, and Greaves even travelled to Shreveport and invited Touchstone to come and give a speech in Jackson, MS. Therefore, if one looks back "over the barrel" of what is being pointed, they may be suprised at their findings. Plus, one should recall (as long ago posted) that Robert Oswald (cousin of LHO), attorney from Pascagoula, MS, was attorney for the White Citizen's Council of Mississippi out of Greenwood, MS. Which was actually the "founding father" of all of the White Citizen's Councils, too include those formed in Louisiana.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/stuckey.htm Testimony Of William Kirk Stuckey Mr. JENNER. I regret, Mr. Stuckey, that we have to inconvenience you to have you back to have your deposition taken again. But through some happenstance in New Orleans, the transcript of your deposition never went beyond the U.S. attorney's office apparently, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I would suppose that two "happenstances" in a row would have been pretty difficult for anyone to swallow.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bringuier.htm In August 1963 I was a broadcaster with WDSU Radio, New Orleans. Mr. JENNER. This was a chance meeting? Mr. STUCKEY. This was a chance meeting with Mr. Bringuier. I was cashing my paycheck and Bringuier told me a few days before he had run into this fellow in his store, this Casa Roca--this young man had approached him. =============================================================================== http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bringuier.htm Mr. BRINGUIER. Ten dollars, that is right. In the court was at that moment one cameraman from WDSU, and he make he did an interview to Oswald after the trial and he took some movies of ourselves, and later I receive one phone call from Bill Stuckey. I had talk to Stuckey the day of the trial in the morning. I met him in the bank and I explained to him what was going on in the second municipal court, and he was the one who send the reporter over there to the trial. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It would appear to be Script "re-write" time!

praytell award it to him (DVP), AGAIN.... Mark, great recap! Tom, thanks for all your efforts.... including FBI Frazier 'testing' tid-bits.. DHealy including FBI Frazier 'testing' tid-bits.. DHealy The "qualification" as if fact in regards to the second bullet hole penetration (aka that hole located just below the lower edge of the coat collar) was initially slipped in through a "slight*/sleight-of-hand" trick on the part of Arlen Specter during the questioning of Dr. Humes. In that regards, on must truthfully question the integrity of Dr. Humes as he was fully aware of the bullet entrance into the scalp of JFK at the lower edge of the hairline, and even though he may have been an unwitting accomplish, he most assuredly should have questioned a penetration which went through the outer fabric of the coat and then the inner liner of the coat, on the same type of "slanted" angle as was the bullet entry from the scalp entry point through the EOP skull entry, and which hole in the coat correlated exactly with the entry point into JFK's scalp at the back of his head. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/humes.htm Mr. SPECTER - Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the Commission, I would like to have identified for the record three articles on which I have placed Commission Exhibits Nos. 393 being the coat worn by the President, 394 being the shirt, and 395 being the President's tie, and at this time move for their admission into evidence. The CHAIRMAN. It may be admitted. Commander HUMES - That is approximately correct, sir. This defect, I might say, continues on through the material. Attached to this garment is the memorandum Note: Humes did not state "a memorandum". Humes; as well as virtually every other important witness was "pre-questioned" primarily by Arlen Specter prior to officially going "on the record". Which by the way, only a complete dumb-A lawyer always does prior to putting anyone on the stand. Therefore, in a "prior" questioning and discussion, Humes (along with Boswell & Fincke) had been lead to believe that the "Memorandum" established a "bona-fide" statement that the hole located just below the lower edge of the collar was where a "Comparision/control" sample of cloth had been removed by the FBI Spectrographic lab for examination and comparison. Apparantly, in all minds (with the exception of ole "Doubting Thomas", this bona-fide held true). And the later, with FBI Agent Frazier's testimony: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/frazr2.htm Mr. SPECTER - Did any tests conducted on the coat disclose any metallic substance on that area of that hole? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I had a spectrographer run an analysis of a portion of the hole which accounts for its being slightly enlarged at the present time. He took a sample of cloth and made an analysis of it. I don't know actually whether I am expected to give the results of his analysis or not. Mr. SPECTER - Yes; would you please, or let me ask you first of all, were those tests run by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the regular course of its testing procedures? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; they were. Mr. SPECTER - And have those results been made available to you through the regular recordkeeping procedures of the FBI? Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER - Would you then please tell us what those tests disclose? Mr. FRAZIER - Traces of copper were found around the margins of the hole in the back of the coat, and as a control, a very small section under the collar was taken, and no copper being found there, it was concluded that the copper was foreign to the coat itself. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Certainly glad that my old Battallion Commander in the 82nd Airborne Division insisted that I dispose of all concepts learned (supposedly) and thereafter "re-learn" the proper usage and understanding of the English language. There is most assuredly a considerable difference between a hole in the cloth fabric of the back of JFK's coat which is just below the lower edge of the collar, and a location which is UNDER the collar and actually represents where Henry Heiberger took the "control" sample for comparison with the actual bullet hole penetration at the collar. The "memorandum" and the spectrographic examination of the clothing of JFK can only be fully understood when one examines those test result documents of Henry Heiberger in which he received a "+" indication for copper from examination of the lower as well as the upper holes in the back of JFK's coat, as well as indicating where on the coat the "control" samples were taken. And, although Robert Frazier certainly never out-and-out lied to me during my journey of attempting to find some facts and truths, he most assuredly did not correctly inform me as to who actually conducted the testing of JFK's clothing, and it would seem appears to have been a deliberate attempt to lead me away from Henry Heiberger. So! Frazier told us, truthfully I might add, where the "control" sample was taken: and as a control, a very small section under the collar was taken, And Humes told us where the bullet hole penetration was located: Situated above it just below the collar is an additional defect. Exactly how much of a rocket scientist does one have to be to recognize the difference between a point located UNDER the collar as opposed to a point which is located JUST BELOW the collar? P.S. It also helps if one has Henry Heiberger's notes and drawings in which one can clearly see the difference's as well, along with his "+" for copper testing results. P.P.S. LTC Hanrick (an English Professor by the way) also informed me that in order to attempt to avoid looking like a complete fool, one should acquire everything known to exist in regards to a subject matter and to then study and learn it prior to insertion of foot into mouth. In that regards he stated that even if one does appear foolish, they will appear far less foolish than anyone else who has ever written anything on the subject matter.

You mean Tom is open to persuasion? Bill, you have to understand that Tom didn't "invent" his theory of three shots, three hits. The Secret Service started with that, and had the points where the bullets hit the President mapped out on a survey of Dealy Plaza. Tom merely exposed the information that the SS already had, and then went about showing how the medical evidence supports the SS three-shot, three-hit scenario. Tom has also pointed out how the FBI began altering the survey data to support first their own implausible theory, and then finally the pure cock-and-bull of the WC's SBT. In both the SS survey and the "altered" FBI survey, the point of the third shot/third hit didn't go away...UNTIL the WC "made" it disappear under the sleight-of-hand of having the original survey sealed, attesting that a "tracing"of the survey was good enough for their purposes, and then using a "cardboard representation" of the "tracing" of the "sealed survey" as evidence...as opposed to UNsealing the survey and using the actual evidence they had in hand! IMHO, Arlen Spector should've been hung for treason, rather than elected to the U. S. Senate! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please move to the head of the class Mark! However, just for full clarification: 1. The SS assassination re-enactment of 12/5/63 (date on survey plat, survey and actual re-enactment took place during the period of December 2, 3, & 4th) Clearly defines the three shot impacts which is in exact correlation with the shooting sequence (bang----longer delay-----bang--bang) as well as correlating to much of the witness testimonies and statements which could not be quelched. 2. The FBI assassination re-enactment of 2/7/64, left the first shot impact location as well as the third shot impact location in the exact same place as was the SS work of 12/5/63. However, the FBI attempted to "fudge" the second shot impact/aka Z313 impact as having occurred some 24.5 feet prior to it's true impact location. Which placed this impact location almost directly parallel in the street to the lamp post as well as well prior to JFK having even passed the Moorman/Hill location and the first yellow crub marking. NOTE: Understanding the progression of the lie adds much to it's understanding. LIFFE Magazine, on November 29, 1963, first published frames of the Zapruder film. In publishing this, Life stated that Connally was hit by what is now deemed as being Z244, and that JFK had been hit just as he emerged from behind the sign at approximately Z226. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z244.jpg Simple math tells us that this separation film distance is only 18 frames, which at 18.3 frames per second for the film, would equate to an approximately 1-second time delay between shots. Which we also know absolutely can not be for the Carcano Rifle. Now! This LIFE Magazine "revelation" is in direct contradiction to their survey plat of 11/25/63, in which the first shot impact is shown as being at approximately Z204/206, then a second shot impacting the street, and then the Z313 impact. And, this is also apparantly why the LIFE Magazine survey has been kept securely under wraps, as it is in direct contradiction to what LIFE was stating on 11/29/63 in their magazine issue. From this, one can see that by the time of publication of LIFE Magazine on November 29, 1963, the lies had already begun. In addition, even if one stated that JFK were struck at the WC's mythological Z210 (or slightly thereafter) point, then this left only 34 elapsed frames of the film until the LIFE claimed Z244 impact on JBC. (244 - 210) = 34/18.3 = 1.8579 seconds of elapsed time. And, even if backed up to the point at which LIFE had claimed as impact of the first shot (Z205 +/-), this still left problems. (244 - 205) = 39/18.3 = 2.13 seconds. At this time, most were following along with the FBI's estimated 2.3 to 2.4 seconds of firing time, without taking into consideration that this was "Scope Shooting", and thus they apparantly felt that their own lie had been exposed. SO! On November 29, 1963, LIFE Magazine had imposed a highly unlikely shooting scenario onto the minds of the public. Then, came the SS Assassination re-enactment of 12/5/63, which in truthfulness, cleared up much in regards to the actual and true shooting sequence, yet left the question unanswered as to exactly what was JBC doing if he was not reacting to the impact of a bullet. Enter the FBI to tell us the truths. And, even though Life Magazine had so informed us that JBC's actions at approximately Z244 represented his having been hit by a bullet, the FBI knew this was unlikely due to the firing time required to operate the rifle. SO! Give a little more firing time, and the FBI attempted to delete the Z313 impact completely (this photo had never been published, and it must be assumed that they were of the opinion that it could be kept quiet forever) and move the JBC impact farther down the street from the LIFE Magazine Z244 impact. ERGO, the FBI stated the second shot impact at what is now approximately Z285 when Connally is sufficiently turned to have aligned his body with the actual bullet trajectory through the chest, as well as attempting to correlate a hit to JBC with his statements ================================================================================ = CONNALLY. We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt. So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back. ================================================================================ = So! The FBI in their "creative accounting" left the first and third/aka Altgens impact in place, made Z313 disappear, and then attempted to give sufficient elapsed time from the first shot to the now claimed second shot impact, in which the rifle could be easily operated. In this scenario, whoever was driving the bus for the FBI most assuredly deserved the original "BONEHEAD" award in thinking that the Z313 impact could be made to disappear for all to see. It would seem that the Bonehead who dreamed this up was unaware as to exactly how many times the film had already been watched and exactly how many had already witnessed the devestating effect to JFK's head by the Z313 impact. Ergo! The birth of the WC to resolve the conflicts and tell us all the facts and truths in order that we could sleep well at night.* *Unfortunately, this "Fairy Tale" has backfired and in all probability it has keep far more people awake than it has soundly put to sleep. ================================================================================ "the point of the third shot/third hit didn't go away...UNTIL the WC "made" it disappear under the sleight-of-hand of having the original survey sealed, attesting that a "tracing"of the survey was good enough for their purposes, and then using a "cardboard representation" of the "tracing" of the "sealed survey" as evidence...as opposed to UNsealing the survey and using the actual evidence they had in hand! " 3. As you have stated, the WC (or someone) was at least smart enough to recognize that the Z313/aka second shot impact could not be made to disappear. However! The third shot did not blow cerebral tissue all up into the air for all to see (in the film). Due primarily to the fact that JFK was leaned over, the force of the bullet exit was downward, and the integrity of the skull cavity had been so compromised that the buildup of internal pressures responsible for what we see in Z313 did not and could not occur. Ergo, make shot#3 disappear! Which, in and of itself, was no great complicated task. Unfortunately, this left several residual problems: a. We have a SS assassination Survey plat as well as personnel who who are familiar with those aspects of the assassination. b. We have a FBI assassination Survey plat (which was an intentional lie) as well as personnel who are familiar with those aspects of the assassination. NO PROBLEMO! http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/geekend/?p=1122 Problem Resolution:------Can you blame it on someone else? 1. Make the relatively accurate SS Survey Plat of 12/5/63 disappear. 2. Reduce in size the FBI Survey Plat of 2/7/64, to an extent so small that no one other than a complete idiot* (*one who is sufficiently stupid enough to examine these documents under microscopic examination) would know the difference. 3. Pass the FBI Survey Plat off as being the SS Survey Plat of 12/5/63. 4. And then tell everyone how incorrect the SS assassination was and this is the primary reason why the WC was needed. This, is GENIUS at work! Next Problem up for bid: How to make the first shot impact disappear: NO PROBLEMO: 1. Don't let the true Z-film in which LIFE Magazine determined an impact at approximately Z204/206, as well as the inherent subsequentially "blurred" frames of the film get out. 2. Create an assassination re-enactment in which one person aims (with the rifle) from the sixth floor window and determines downward angles and car/JFK positions for frames of the film, take photographs from the Zapruder position of this, and then go back to the sixth floor window; change the weapon position and downward angle and re-photograph the assassination re-enactment car multiple; multiple times. 3. Create the "adjusted" position in which aiming points and aiming point elevations can be changed at will, and then photograph these "adjusted" positions as well. Mr. SPECTER. Now, was frame 249 selected as a situs for calculations on the possible construction that President Kennedy was struck in the back at the first point unadjusted at which he emerged from the tree, to wit: frame 207, Mr. SPECTER. What was the adjusted frame for the first view that the marksman had of the President's stand-in coming out from under the tree? Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is frame 210 and has been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 893 and represents the 10-inch adjustment for the difference in the height of the car as compared with frame 207. (absolute GENIUS) 4. Who told Robert West to include this on his survey plat??? http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol17_0464b.htm NOT ME! He was merely informed that we need a "tabulation". No one told him to put it onto the survey for all to see! Do you see the problems it has created for us in regards to what frames of the film were actually surveyed in and the "accurate" re-enactment composite photo's we have made????? 5. Wait a minute, lookee here on this WC Survey Plat. He also included information relative to where the concrete curb with the "Tague" hit had been removed. Who told him to do that? We can't have people know that we/the FBI, have long known of this and that we removed this curb back well prior to the assassination re-enactment in May. Do you see the problems this creates for us? CONFERENCE TIME ON PROBLEM RESOLUTION: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/geekend/?p=1122 Problem Resolution:-----Can you make it disappear? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + You know, with such magnificently demonstrated abilities at problem resolution, one could potentially rise to positions of great power, be it within the corporate structure such as ENRON, or even the US Government. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I do hope this has shed additional "perspective" on things Mark. Your "Final Exam" is in the mail. Tom

SCENE I was in front of Wards. SCENE II: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/stuckey.htm Mr. STUCKEY. Fine. At present I am employed at Tulane University as a special writer. In this capacity I write a syndicated column on higher education which Tulane distributes to 85 newspapers throughout the country. In August 1963 I was a broadcaster with WDSU Radio, New Orleans. This is the NBC station. I had a weekly 5-minute radio program on economic and political developments in Latin America. I had been in this particular specialty for about 2 years previous. Prior to that I was a columnist with New Orleans States Item, with an interest in Latin America. As a result I had been looking for a long time for representatives of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in that area. Mr. STUCKEY. Most of the organizations that I had contact with were refugee organizations, very violently anti-Castro groups, and there were a number of them in New Orleans. These people were news sources for me also. I used them quite frequently. One day, I think it was in August, the latter part of July of 1963, I was in the bank, and I ran across a refugee friend of mine by the name of Carlos Bringuier. Bringuier told me-- Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, identify Mr. Bringuier. Mr. STUCKEY. Mr. Bringuier at that time was the New Orleans delegate to the Revolutionary Student Directorate which was an anti-Castro group with headquarters in Miami. He also ran a clothing store called Casa Roca. He was an attorney in Havana before the Revolution, the Cuban Revolution of 1958, and had been very active ever since I had known him in New Orleans in anti-Castro activity. I had interviewed him on a number of occasions in connection with Cuban current events. Mr. Bringuier ran into me in the bank, and I spoke to him and he said that a representative of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee had appeared in New Orleans and that he had had an encounter with him shortly before. Mr. JENNER. That interested you? Mr. STUCKEY. Yes, very much, very much, because I knew something of the reputation of this group. I regarded them as being about the leading pro-Castro organization in this country, a propaganda organ for the Castro forces, and I had done a considerable amount of reading of congressional testimony, articles, and this sort of thing about their activities. Mr. Bringuier said he had had an encounter with a young man who was representing the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans. Mr. JENNER. Excuse me you had known Bringuier and you had had contact with him; had he ever been on your program up to this moment that you speak of? Mr. STUCKEY. No; he had never been on my program, but, as a newspaperman, I had contacted him quite frequently for information. Mr. JENNER. Proceed. Mr. STUCKEY. He told me that--this is in the bank--a few days before, I don't recall exactly-- Mr. JENNER. This was a chance meeting? Mr. STUCKEY. This was a chance meeting with Mr. Bringuier. I was cashing my paycheck and Bringuier told me a few days before he had run into this fellow in his store, this Casa Roca--this young man had approached him. Mr. JENNER. A young man had come in? Mr. STUCKEY. A young man. At the time he had mentioned no name. If he had, it wouldn't have made any difference to me because the name meant nothing. He said a young man came in, introduced himself and said he was a veteran of the Marine Corps, he had just gotten out, and that he was very disturbed by this Cuban situation and he wanted to do something about hurting Castro, or trying to change the regime. He, in some way-- Mr. JENNER. This was something this up-to-the-moment unnamed young man had said to Mr. Bringuier? Mr. STUCKEY. Had said to Mr. Bringuier as Bringuier recounted it to me later. I am telling you Bringuier's story now. Mr. JENNER. Yes; I wanted to make clear that you were. Mr. STUCKEY. This is what Bringuier is telling me, because I did not witness this. At any rate, regardless of what happened, I don't know the exact sequence of events, the police arrived on the scene and took everybody down to the jail. Oswald was booked for disturbing the peace, and I think later fined $10, and let go. Well, this is what Bringuier told me in the bank. Mr. JENNER. I may assume up to this moment you had not seen anything in the newspapers on this subject? Mr. STUCKEY. No; I hadn't. There wouldn't have been anything in the newspaper had it not been in my column, and my column at that time did not exist. Mr. JENNER. I see.

From the other TV Channel: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspir...55ca939337d0bdc "Why the need for this > redundancy every single time you post your retarded "2 Head Shots From > The Rear" theory, Thomas? > > Just curious." Retards, who believe the WC and their "THE SHOT THAT MISSED" (as well as VDB) require SPECIAL EDUCATION of the facts and repetetively reinforcement of these facts before they ever begin to sink in. Most probably, I will not live long enough to ever see you learn what the facts are as there have been and will continue to be those whom are beyond the capability of any educational program. At least, even the most right-wing of the CT community are apparantly sufficiently intelligent to recognize that "THE SHOT THAT MISSED" was a crock. Which should also sufficiently demonstrate how lacking you are in the capability for the logical assessment of anything. "Stupid is as Stupid Does" (Forest Gump) Also, the governing rules and by-laws for determination of the recepient of the coveted "BONEHEAD OF THE YEAR" award.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...amp;qpid=167002 Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot. Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that correct? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear. Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side? Mr. HUDSON - Right hand. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z314.jpg Mr. LIEBELER - How many shots did you here altogether? Mr. HUDSON - Three. Mr. LIEBELER - Three shots? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Are you sure about that? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was. Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here another shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And you saw the President get hit by what you heard as the second shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there. Mr. LIEBELER - You think the last shot was fired and the car was about where it actually is in that picture when the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - Pretty close to it; yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - But you think the President had already been hit in the head by the time the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - He had been hit twice, so Parkland Hospital said. He was hit in the neck one time and in the head one time. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brehm.htm According to BREHM, the President seemed do to stiffen and come to a pause when another shot sounded and the President appeared to be badly hit in the head. BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction. BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together ================================================================================ Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between. There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty. ================================================================================ http://www.jfk.org/Oral_Histories/Oral_His…st.asp?Letter=s Malcolm Summers Well, then the car kept coming, and then the second shot rang out. And then the third was just about where I was at, rang out ================================================================================ = Smart thing to do there Malcolm! http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z348.jpg

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...amp;qpid=167002 Mr. HUDSON - Well there was a young fellow, oh, I would judge his age about in his late twenties. He said he had been looking for a place to park and he walked up there and he said he finally just taken a place over there in one of them parking lots, and he come on down there and said he worked over there on Industrial and me and him both just sat there first on those steps. When the motorcade turned off of Houston onto Elm, we got up and stood up, me and him both. He was on the left side and I was on the right and so the first shot rung out and, of course, I didn't realize it was a shot, what was taking place right at that present time, and when the second one rung out, the motorcade had done got further on down Elm, and you see, I was trying to get a good look at President Kennedy. I happened to be looking right at him when that bullet hit him - the second shot. Mr. LIEBELER - That was when the bullet hit him in the head; is that correct? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; it looked like it ht him somewhere along about a little bit behind the ear and a little bit above the ear. Mr. LIEBELER - On the right-hand side or the left-hand side? Mr. HUDSON - Right hand. http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z314.jpg Mr. LIEBELER - How many shots did you here altogether? Mr. HUDSON - Three. Mr. LIEBELER - Three shots? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Are you sure about that? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say that it was the second shot that hit him in the head; is that right? Mr. HUDSON - Yes; I do believe that - I know it was. Mr. LIEBELER - You saw him hit in the head, there wasn't any question in your mind about that, was there? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And after you saw him hit in the head, did you here another shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see that shot hit anything - the third shot? Mr. HUDSON - No, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - You say it was the second shot that hit him in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think that could have been possible when Mrs. Kennedy pulled him over, do you think he could have got hit in the neck after he had been hit in the head? Mr. HUDSON - Yes sir; I do Mr. LIEBELER - He was still sitting far enough up in the car he could have been hit? Mr. HUDSON - Yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - And you saw the President get hit by what you heard as the second shot? Mr. HUDSON - Yes. Mr. HUDSON - Yes; so right along about even with these steps, pretty close to even with this here, the last shot was fired - somewhere right along in there. Mr. LIEBELER - You think the last shot was fired and the car was about where it actually is in that picture when the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - Pretty close to it; yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER - But you think the President had already been hit in the head by the time the third shot was fired? Mr. HUDSON - He had been hit twice, so Parkland Hospital said. He was hit in the neck one time and in the head one time. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brehm.htm According to BREHM, the President seemed do to stiffen and come to a pause when another shot sounded and the President appeared to be badly hit in the head. BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction. BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together ================================================================================ Mr. ALTGENS - Well, it sounded like it was coming up from behind the car from my position--I mean the first shot, and being fireworks--who counts fireworks explosions? I wasn't keeping track of the number of pops that took place, but I could vouch for No. 1, and I can vouch for the last shot, but I cannot tell you how many shots were in between. There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty. ================================================================================