39 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Thanks Tommy, that's how I took it. I just wasn't sure how others would take it.

 

Sandy Old Buddy,

Do you think Baker was haulin' you-know-what down to the corner so he could hang out with his buds down there for a couple of minutes, you know, thinking that maybe they had an extra donut or two and he wanted to get there before they could eat 'em all up?

--  TG  (aka "Tommy", "Tom," "Thomas," "Mr. Graves!", etc)

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I just want to clarify that Tommy's and my discovery of Gloria Calvery in Couch-Darnell doesn't suggest to me that Baker rushed into the TSBD. I still stand by my analysis of the films that show that Officer Baker's destination was not the TSBD entrance.

 

Sandy,

I included you, above, ONLY so you wouldn't get all paranoid and everything and think I was trying to hog all the Gloria [sic].

--  TG

59 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

That's a good question.

I believe that the MC trip was designed by CIA plotters to implicate Cuba and Russia in the assassination plot. It's possible that Oswald was set up as the liaison between them and an alleged America-based hit team. (Cuban exiles? Mafia?) Oswald wasn't set up as a hit man. In fact he may have been instructed by his handler to be out on the steps taking photos.

However, President Johnson didn't bite. He wanted a lone gunman and that is what made Oswald the alleged killer in the cover-up.

 

Sandy,

So, it didn't matter to them that Oswald was kinda wandering around outside during the motorcade?

--  TG

How could [EDIT ALERT: the bad guys and gals] reasonably expect to pull off "The Coverup" if they knew [EDIT ALERT: Oswald] might be captured on film, watching the motorcade?

"It didn't matter to them because they planned for him to be murdered-by-cop in about an hour, anyway" ???

What if good footage of Oswald-in-the-entryway emerged after he'd been put six feet under?

Why didn't the bad guys confiscate the films of Altgens, Wiegman, Couch, Darnell, ... ?  (Yes, I know PM isn't visible in Altgens 6, but he could have been.)

--  TG

Tangential Questions:  Was Dr Pepper available in the 2nd floor lunchroom's "coke-cola" (sic) machine, or only in the DP Machine on the 1st floor, next to the white fridge?

Was getting change for the DP Machine on the first floor Oswald's only reason for going to the 2nd floor practically every day during lunch time?

(Is it true that Dr Pepper was Oswald's favorite coke-cola?  If so, was the DP Machine mysteriously empty that day, or maybe even "jammed"?)

On 1/28/2016 at 5:46 PM, Larry Hancock said:

I'm still waiting for a discussion of Robert's post 139 and an explanation of why two guys hell bent on charging up those stairs (which means hard turns at each half stair level to get up the next)....would see

Oswald standing over by the coke machine....especially with all the [boxes] between them and the door. That has never seemed right to me unless something refocused them them away from the roof and into the break room...

especially since Baker was pretty clear about wanting to get up to the roof ASAP... And of course if Oswald had just gone through the door and it was still swinging shut its hard to see how he would be

standing well inside with a soda or even facing back to the door. Robert's post and the photo make the issue very clear, would be nice to get back to it.

Larry,

I think a smart policeman who rushed into the building within 35 seconds or so of the assassination (as Sandy's and my discovery of Gloria Calvery in Couch-Darnell seems to suggest Baker may well have done, believing that the shots had come from an upper floor) would realize not only that the sniper was probably coming down to the ground floor as quickly as possible as he (the policeman) was going up (and that there was, therefore, a good chance that they'd pass each other on the stairs), but would also intuit that the perp could probably hear him (the policeman) running up the noisy wooden staircase, and that said perp would therefore reasonably be expected to duck into a nearby hiding place (especially one that looked like such a normal place in which to "hang out"and "look normal" in during lunchtime as the lunchroom did) upon hearing said approaching policeman.  All of which cumulative realizations and intuitions would almost compel the diligent policeman to at least peek into the lunchroom to see if the bad guy might possibly be lurking in there, pretending to be "normal," even if it did take said diligent policeman a few extra seconds to do so in his mad rush to the roof.

--  TG

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Oswald's passport lists his occupation as a "Shipping Export Agent".

I don't find any reference in the Soviet documents (CE 985)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=417&tab=page

that he was ever asked by the Soviets, "Exactly what are you going to be importing and exporting Mr. Oswald?"

 

Why?

 

Steve Thomas

Steve,

What are we to make of Yuri Nosenko's statement that Oswald was so crazy acting (slicing one, and maybe  -- as the hospital records indicate -- both wrists) and suspicious looking that the KGB didn't even interview him (even though he WAS a Marine radar operator who had worked with the U-2 spy plane)?  If the Kremlin were to suddenly cough up a transcript of his KGB interview(s), wouldn't they in effect be admitting that Nosenko was a false defector?

--  TG

PS  Given the fact that Oswald wanted to defect (or at least appear to defect) to the USSR, what do you think would have been better than "import-export" agent for him to have written on his passport application?

On 4/3/2018 at 10:08 PM, Steve Thomas said:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10409&search=Fain#relPageId=4&tab=page

Commission Document 8 - FBI Fain Report of 03 Jul 1961 re: Oswald/Russia p. 3

 

“Mrs. Oswald advised on April 28, 1960, that subject (Lee Harvey Oswald) had been engaged in the export-import type of business at New Orleans, Louisiana after visiting her in Fort Worth, Texas in 1959.”

 

Does anyone have any idea what LHO was supposed to have been, or what he told his mother that he had been, exporting and importing?

 

Steve Thomas

I think it's interesting that page 4 of the report references the April 28, 1960, report by SA Fain in which he claimed that Marguerite Oswald told him her 5' 9.5", (approx)140-lb., straight-haired, grey-eyed son was a Robert Webster-like 5' 10", 165-lb., blue-eyed, wavy-haired dude, and that, as pointed out by Bill Simpich, these false biometrics ended up being integrated into Oswald's computerized biographical file by Bill Bright of the CIA's Soviet Russia Division while Oswald was still in the USSR.  Equally interesting is the fact that some of the above-mentioned false LHO biometrics (the height and weight, plus "the suspect is about 30 years-old") ironically(?) ended up being broadcast on police radio by Dallas Police officer Herbert Sawyer about 15 minutes after the assassination (iirc), after he'd allegedly been given this information by a mysteriously-very-difficult- to-describe "witness" who had allegedly seen the suspected sniper running away from the rear of the TSBD. 

If I remember correctly; I'm going from memory here. 

--  TG

On 3/22/2018 at 10:13 AM, James DiEugenio said:

OMG, Tommy, you have never read what was in the Pumpkin Papers?

Oh please.  Then let us call this off until you get up to speed.  This site is not about the Hiss case.

  .....

The previous day, March 21, James DiEugenio had written:  "I don't consider the Rosenbergs and Sobell to be part of the US government. They were scientists who worked on government projects. Alger Hiss was not a spy, as the most recent literature on that case shows. With that out of the way, care to name some of them?

......

OMG, James.  Aren't you aware that our very own John Simkin believes Alger Hiss was spying for the Soviets? 

Oh please ... read this:

http://spartacus-educational.com/USAhiss.htm

--  TG

PS  It's been my observation that most "The CIA Did It" conspiracy theorists seem to consciously or unconsciously minimize the degree of U.S. penetration by Soviet intelligence services before and during WW II, and, of course, during the Cold War.

Now, IF you were to read Bagley's book "Spy Wars" with an open mind, James, you'd realize that the level of said penetrations was actually quite high, and that some American moles and Soviet spies in the U.S. were strongly indicated by circumstantial evidence, but never uncovered. 

Alger Hiss got away with it for quite awhile.

PPS  Here's another name for you:  Edward Ellis Smith, the first CIA officer ever recruited by the Ruskies (in 1956), and very probably the traitor who put the Soviets onto Ptyor Popov, whom they didn't arrest until they'd contrived a way, about a year later, to do so in such a way as to make it look as though they'd discovered him by superior KGB surveillance and/or poor CIA tradecraft, rather than being told about him by a precious-to-the-KGB American mole.

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

I agree with you Kathy.

It could have been done privately.  And it should have been.

 

James,

I figured my doing it publicly like this would minimize the chances of it's being ignored altogether, that's all.

Just curious:  Are you a firm believer in Oswald's being "Prayer Man"?

If it boiled down to getting the facts straight, would you be willing to accept the possibility that Oswald was inside the building while the shots were being fired?

--  TG

On 1/12/2017 at 9:26 AM, W. Tracy Parnell said:

The update to my article is now live. Special thanks to Lance Payette, Jim Hargrove and Sandy Larsen for helping to resolve the issue.

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-truth-about-oswalds-birth.html

I just noticed that someone else was reading this thread.

It looks very informative, so I decided to bump it.

--  TG

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

I was looking for the Twilight Zone theme song and stumbled across this.  Go to full screen and full volume.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=twilight+zone+song&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=5f3aa5047fe54646aa10b531188f6db0&sp=3&ghc=1&qs=LS&pq=twilight+zone+&sk=LS1SC1&sc=8-14&cvid=5f3aa5047fe54646aa10b531188f6db0

Great Song!  And totally bitchin' (old school "surfer" slang; look it up) video!

(Reminds me of some of the more "interesting" nights I spent in the Czech Republic, 1993 thru 2000 ...)

--  TG

PS  Oh yeah, and that one night in Harlem, NYC, in 1999...
 

27 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Its not true anyway. Doyle badgered Conway on FB at length.  Finally to get him off her back, Bart said he would return it.

TG has become a propaganda conduit for Doyle.  Even after a mod decision deleted him here.  

Wow.

James,

It's my understanding that after Debra had done the two things I mentioned in my earlier post, Bart deleted the FB thread on which she'd done them.

Comment?

--  TG

PS  Did you have anything to do with the moderator's decision to which you refer?  (Just curious.)

13 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Bart, you need to put up or........ as well.

Without making a thesis about it, and trying to stay on topic, make a case against Doyle, Tommy's.... whatever, and Sandy's mistakes.

So, you won a Lancer award. You're  resting on your laurels, sinking low, disrespecting the forum and its membership, and hardly rising above Tommy's antics.

Bart, what you got? Let's see it.

Michael,

It should be noted that two or three months ago Debra Conway disavowed Bart's Lancer award and sided with Brian regarding his claim that "Prayer Man" is Sarah Stanton.

--  TG

PS  "Antics"?

On 4/2/2018 at 3:42 PM, Bart Kamp said:

Yeah good luck with that fairy tale.

Bart,

What are you afraid of?

That "that fairy tale" will turn into a a full-blown nightmare for you?

--  TG

PS  If it's any consolation for you, Brian Doyle, like you, is a "CIA-Did-It" Conspiracy Theorist!

34 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

No more questions Thomas Graves, provide some answers for a change!

Pray tell, Bart, what in tarnation would you like to know?

--  TG

On 4/2/2018 at 2:38 PM, Bart Kamp said:

[Bart copied and pasted this from FB:]

"I [Brian Doyle] have been excluded from the Education Forum, even though I have superior skill, because the Murphy gang deliberately shields itself from the truth..."

Later on

"I [Brian Doyle] can't see the Education Forum link to register because I've been "deleted"...If you could pass me the registration link I'll re-apply..."

 

Superior skills indeed.

 

James Gordon, don't say you were not warned in advance.

Bart,

It sounds as though you're seriously afraid of having to try to rebut Brian Doyle's arguments here in a Forum-required polite and civil manner, especially now that he's gotten confirmation that Sandy and I correctly identified Gloria Calvery, in the Z-Film and in Couch-Darnell, about a year ago.

--  TG

33 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Tommy, I have been waiting for you to finish editing your response. It is making less sense with each edit.

How so, Michael?

(Thanks for waiting, by the way.  I hope it wasn't too nerve wracking for you.)

--  "Tommy"

On 4/1/2018 at 1:33 PM, James R Gordon said:

Thomas the link is still there and it works.

Once the person has completed the requirements they are required to email their wish to register. The address to email is provided.

James,

Brian Doyle thanks you for the above information.  

I thought I'd let you know that he told me via FB Messenger that he did re-register yesterday shortly after you'd posted same, and is now patiently waiting for your considered response.

--  TG

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Somebody smarter than I am said that once.

Stating that no one has stepped forward in 50 years claiming they saw something, is not proof that it didn't happen.

 

Steve Thomas

But neither does it necessarily mean that the absence of cold, hard evidence regarding whatever "probably" or "must have happened."

Unless, of course, there's an overwhelming amount a preponderance of properly-analysed-and-applied "circumstantial" evidence.

Agreed?

--  TG

4 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

  .....

Andrej,

It's interesting that you've apparently decided to ignore so many of the points I made in my previous post.

Just one:  Your mannequins of "Prayer Man" have him (5' 9.5" Oswald) standing with one foot on the top step in both Wiegman and Couch-Darnell.

How could he, at some point between the end of Wiegman and the beginning of Couch-Darnell, have pivoted his body towards Frazier, with one foot on the landing and the other foot on the top step?

Thank you,

--  TG

On 3/31/2018 at 12:21 PM, Thomas Graves said:

 

Posted Saturday at 12:21 PM

  On 3/31/2018 at 8:42 AM, Paul Brancato said:

TG - Thanks for clarifying. Is it your opinion, and/or Bagley’s, that when Golitsyn got ‘carried away’ it was on his own and not KGB inspired? It looked to me like he first established his bonafides and once settled comfortably he proceeded to sow division. One could look at Angleton as a victim of paranoia created by Golitsyn. I’m not saying that’s true, just possible. 

 

Paul,

I believe that Golitsyn was a flawed true defector, and that Nosenko was a flawed false defector. A big problem for Angleton and eventually for the CIA as a whole was that when the CIA or the FBI or whomever decided not to prosecute long-term mole "SASHA" (Igor Orlov) because he was no longer active, Golitsyn went a little bonkers and decided to cast suspicion on Orlov's former handler, Paul Garbler, and things kind of snowballed out of control from there.  Or perhaps already had.

In my humble opinion it's rather foolish to insinuate that Golitsyn was the false defector of the two for the simple fact that Golitsyn helped to uncover several *important*, *still-active*, and *previously unsuspected* moles and Soviet spies in the U.S. and other NATO countries, whereas false defector Nosenko didn't do jack xxxx in that regard, and whose purpose in life seems to have been to contradict, divert attention away from, and/or minimize most of what Golitsyn (in his pre-mid-1964 "golden" period especially) was telling the U.S.

--  TG

Bumped for Paul Brancato.

--  TG

On 3/31/2018 at 7:18 AM, Andrej Stancak said:

Tommy:

it is up to you to convince people that Prayer Man turned to Mr. Frazier and talked to him. I asked you, and now you return the question? This is a silly game. Again, please provide evidence that Prayer Man was talking to Mr. Frazier in Darnell.

There is nothing wrong with the shadow in my model. The shadow is not determined by myself, it is the combination of the internal pieces of machinery of GoogleEarth and Sketchup which sets up the shadows based on the date and hour of the day. I have no control over the shadow other than setting the date and hour.

The area of the left hand reflecting the sunlight appears to be smaller than that in that in the right hand. I can see a brighter spot where the left hand is suggesting that a small area of the left hand also reflected the sunlight, and this is represented in my model. Of note, pushing the left hand just 1/2 inch backward would eliminate this reflection.  

Andrej,

Did you ever see the fine GIF by Barry Pollard (since deleted from Duncan Mcrae's website) that clearly showed that "Prayer Man" pivoted (presumably with both of his or her feet on the landing!) toward Frazier at some point between Wiegman (when the first shot was fired, as captured by Altgens 6) and Couch-Darnell (by which time we  can see that a reportedly crying Gloria Calvery has already arrived at the steps, and is already saying something to Billy Lovelady, something probably spoken in a sufficiently loud voice as to have been audible by Frazier and the people standing around him)?

Bearing in mind that Buell Wesley Frazier, in his 2013 Sixth Floor Museum interview, said that he "turned to" a "heavyset" woman standing near him by the name of "Sarah," and confirmed with her that they had both heard the crying woman say ("before Shelley and Lovelady left for the Triple Underpass") that JFK had been shot, one must seriously doubt that the "Sarah" Frazier is referring to here is the tiny woman whom you have standing directly behind Frazier in your graphics, and that he was instead referring to "Prayer Woman," ... aka Sarah Stanton. 

Please realize that your attempt to pinpoint Sarah Stanton's location in Couch-Darnell relies mostly on Pauline Sander's account of where Stanton was standing before Couch-Darnell (in fact maybe up to five minutes before Wiegman started filming that scene) thereby creating the very real possibility that Sarah Stanton, (the only TSBD employee whose first name was "Sarah") changed her position during the intervening minutes, and became your so-called "Prayer Man" in Wiegman-Couch-Darnell.

I do wish you would re-post here your fascinating graphic in which you have isolated Frazier and "Prayer Man," so that Forum members could judge for themselves whether on not "Prayer Man" could realistically have been cursed with such long, unevenly long, and so-disproportionatley-long-compared-to-his-upper-body legs as was evidently required of him have in order to be able to stand like (that with one foot on the landing and the other foot on the top step) in your utterly fascinating graphic.

I do sincerely hope that it won't be too embarrassing for you to do so!

--  TG

PS  More to come later regarding your, (In My Humble Opinion) misinterpreted shadows ...

26 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Tommy,

First, I don't believe the two looked as much alike as you do. But if the CIA wanted the two to look alike as adults, obviously the best way of accomplishing that would be to pick two similar looking youths.

 

Sandy,

How much alike do you think they looked?  Just enough to fool people who had encountered "Lee" before the assassination into believing, after the assassination, that they'd encountered "Harvey"?

--  TG

Honest question: Did anyone encounter both of them (probably not together, of course)?

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

Pretty sure you don't want me to SHOULD all over you and an ongoing behavior which betrays an ongoing agenda which remains impossible for you to control....

The only truly off the wall, unsupported drek ever peddled with seriousness remains your thinly disguised attempt at forum ridicule with that pet theory in search of support....   

It takes special members to ridicule the work of others while contributing so little to furthering the cause.... Or, if having contributed in the past, how little respect is offered as opposed to how so very much is expected.

David,

You should realize that I only post things here that have been given to me by my Deep State Controllers.

"Say, what's this electrode at the back of my head?  I've never noticed it before!  And why does it get warm and start vibrating only when I sign into the JFK Assassination Debate forum? 

Hmmm.

Wait!  I think I'm getting a new secret message from Headquarters! ..."

--  TG

8 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

The same way my Korean ex-wife did... by being fully submersed in her second language at a young age. She immigrated from South Korea to America when she was 7 years old, and lived with her adoptive American family here.

She spoke near perfect English with no accent when I met her eleven years later.

 

(My apologies to Steve Thomas.)

Sandy,

Your girlfriend is probably just as smart as you are (if not smarter, right (lol)), so that would put her in the "genius" category, right?

*warning, dude: I'm gonna show her your response.

--  TG