Thomas Graves

Paul, He doesn't want to commit himself. He probably realizes that I can shoot him down either way. --Tommy There are several possible ways to argue the "Lovelady or not Lovelady" issue. Some are more rational than the others: Possibility number 1 ) It is Lovelady in the Martin and Hughes clips. 1 a) It is Lovelady and it was filmed on 11/22/63, up to one hour after the assassination. 1 b ) It is Lovelady and the clip was staged at an earlier date. 1 c) It is Lovelady and the clip was staged at a later date. Possibility number 2 ) It is not Lovelady but an innocent bystander. 2 a) It is not Lovelady but an innocent bystander who just happened to be in front of the TSBD shortly after the assassination and who happened to resemble Lovelady (especially the bald spot) and happened to be wearing a shirt identical to the one Lovelady said he had worn on 11/22/63 and in which he was later photographed (by Bob Jackson in 1971 and by Groden in 1978). Possibility number 3 ) It is not Lovelady but a paid actor. 3 a) It is not Lovelady but a paid actor in the Martin and Hughes clips, filmed shortly after the assassination on 11/22/63. 3 b ) It is not Lovelady but a paid actor in the Martin and Hughes clips, filmed not on 11/22/63, but at an earlier date. 3 c) It is not Lovelady but a paid actor in the Martin and Hughes clips, filmed not on 11/22/63, but at a later date. Possibility number 4 ) Well, it kinda is and it kinda ain't Lovelady in the the Martin and Hughes clips. 4 a) The Martin and Hughes clips were somehow photographically "altered" at a later date to make it appear that Lovelady had been wearing his long sleeved, mostly-red "plaid" shirt on 11/22/63. That's enough for now. I gonna take a break.... --Tommy

Jon, What is the meaning of is? Why don't you answer my questions? Too difficult? I know that you don't think that the guy (wearing the mostly-red "plaid" shirt in the Martin and Hughes clips) is Lovelady. I got that. It's apparent that you got some special Army Intelligence training in how to survive a "hostile interrogation" without "spilling the beans," and it's equally apparent that you think that I'm a "hostile interrogator." I think that's why you give such ridiculous answers, hoping that I will just get tired of dealing with you and "throw in the towel." --Tommy (PS I plan to start a new thread soon, entitled -- "What We Have Learned From Former Army Intelligence Officer Jon G. Tidd")

Jon Jon, I asked first. If he's an actor pretending to be Lovelady, why does he exhale cigarette smoke through his open mouth (and jut his chin out in the process), thereby distorting his face? To make himself look less like Lovelady? That doesn't make sense. If he's an actor, why would he want to look less like Lovelady? Wasn't the whole point of "staging" this scene in both the Martin and Hughes clips (implausible "overkill" in-and-of itself) an attempt to "fool" everyone into thinking that Lovelady was "captured" in the Martin and Hughes clips, and that he was wearing his long sleeved, mostly-red "plaid" shirt (not his red and white vertically-striped short sleeved shirt) -- and that all of this was done just to support the bad guy-perpetuated "lie" that "Doorman" in Altgens 6 wasn't Oswald, but Lovelady (in his long sleeved "plaid" shirt), instead? --Tommy

He knew enough about the cover-up plot to declare himself a patsy. And that's the thing -- Oswald is a study of the cover-up. And given the amount of work put into sheep-dipping Oswald as a Red Agent I'd have to say it's a study of the losers. The Yalies who put out the Oswald as Lone Nut frame were the winners. Or he could have just put 2 plus 2 together. Question: Did he say "I'm just a patsy" before or after he was told he had been charged with killing JFK at the Midnight Press Conference? --Tommy

Evidence, Evidence, Evidence. It all depends on what one considers "evidence," doesn't it. Let's face it -- there's a lack of "provable, verifiable evidence" in this case. Nearly every bit of "evidence" is contradicted by another piece of "evidence," rendering both impossible to "prove". If this case is going to ever be solved, I believe it will be by the accumulating of an overwhelming amount of (non-provable) circumstantial evidence. --Tommy

Jon G. Tidd, You seem to be suggesting that the bad guys either photographically altered both the Martin clip and the Hughes clip to make Lovelady appear in them, or that the scene was staged at a later date. Update: Taking your most recent post on the subject (#23, this thread) into consideration, do you think that the guy who at least resembled Lovelady and was wearing the mostly-red "plaid" shirt in front of the TSBD was wearing a shirt like Lovelady's by sheer coincidence, or do you think that this TSBD scene was staged at a later date with someone who at least resembled Lovelady but intentionally distorted his face by exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth (opening his mouth and jutting his chin out in the process)? Why would an actor so critical-to-the-staged-scene, the "center piece" if you will, intentionally distort his face during the brief time he was being filmed? To try to make himself resemble Billy Lovelady a little less? That's a contradiction which defeats the purpose, doesn't it. Why wear Lovelady's shirt then? Why stage the scene at all? LOL --Tommy updated and bumped for Jon G. Tidd Also: Updated Informal Poll results! "Abnormals" (2) -- Robert Mady, JON G. TIDD "Normals" (11) Tommy, Carmine, Vanessa, Paul B., Bob P., Gary, LARRY HANCOCK, Roger, Ray, Randy, Pat highlighted and bumped Doesn't anyone else have an opinion on this? Just eleven "normals" and two "abnormals"??? Don't be shy! --Tommy

Dear Mr. Jon G. Tidd, Please try to get it straight. The Lovelady character in the Martin clip doesn't have a jutting head. He juts his chin out while expelling smoke through his mouth. Both of which actions distorted his face. Question: Why in the world would the most important actor in the staged film clip intentionally distort his face like that? To make himself look less like Billy Lovelady? If so, why then even go to the trouble of staging the scene at all? If you can't answer that question, just say, "I can't answer that question." Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load --Tommy Mr. Jon G. Tidd's predicted answer: "The actor intentionally distorted his face (by jutting his chin out and exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth) so that we we would have a hard time telling if he was really Lovelady or just an actor who somewhat resembled Lovelady." LOL edited and bumped Also: If it's true, as you suggest in your last post, that Lovelady may have benefited financially from the assassination, and that he was "pliable," do you think that he might have participated in the staging of the Martin and Hughes clips? If so, do you think the clips were staged sometime on 11/22/63, or at earlier or a later date? It's interesting that Jon G. Tidd doesn't seem to want to answer the question -- "Why would the actor portraying Lovelady in the Martin clip intentionally distort his face by exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth and jutting his chin out?" --Tommy

Paul, I like your ideas as much as you like mine. --Tommy

Bob, Do you think Baker can be seen running towards the front steps of the TSBD in Darnell / Couch ? Or is that a different motorcycle policeman? If it is Baker, do you think he altered his course and entered the TSBD through another door? Or did he not enter the TSBD at all? --Tommy

Dear Mr. Jon G. Tidd, Please try to get it straight. The Lovelady character in the Martin clip doesn't have a jutting head. He juts his chin out while expelling smoke through his mouth. Both of which actions distorted his face. Question: Why in the world would the most important actor in the staged film clip intentionally distort his face like that? To make himself look less like Billy Lovelady? If so, why then even go to the trouble of staging the scene at all? If you can't answer that question, just say, "I can't answer that question." Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load --Tommy Mr. Jon G. Tidd's predicted answer: "The actor intentionally distorted his face (by jutting his chin out and exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth) so that we we would have a hard time telling if he was really Lovelady or just an actor who somewhat resembled Lovelady." LOL edited and bumped Also: If it's true, as you suggest in your last post, that Lovelady may have benefited financially from the assassination, and that he was "pliable," do you think that he might have participated in the staging of the Martin and Hughes clips? If so, do you think the clips were staged sometime on 11/22/63, or at earlier or a later date?

It's interesting that the seller says that the exterior color is "light green". What was the color of the "Rambler station wagon" Roger Craig saw "Oswald" get into? Green? White? --Tommy

Jon G. Tidd, You seem to be suggesting that the bad guys either photographically altered both the Martin clip and the Hughes clip to make Lovelady appear in them, or that the scene was staged at a later date. Update: Taking your most recent post on the subject (#23, this thread) into consideration, do you think that the guy who at least resembled Lovelady and was wearing the mostly-red "plaid" shirt in front of the TSBD was wearing a shirt like Lovelady's by sheer coincidence, or do you think that this TSBD scene was staged at a later date with someone who at least resembled Lovelady but intentionally distorted his face by exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth (opening his mouth and jutting his chin out in the process)? Why would an actor so critical-to-the-staged-scene, the "center piece" if you will, intentionally distort his face during the brief time he was being filmed? To try to make himself resemble Billy Lovelady a little less? That's a contradiction which defeats the purpose, doesn't it. Why wear Lovelady's shirt then? Why stage the scene at all? LOL --Tommy updated and bumped for Jon G. Tidd Also: Updated Informal Poll results! "Abnormals" (2) -- Robert Mady, JON G. TIDD "Normals" (11) Tommy, Carmine, Vanessa, Paul B., Bob P., Gary, LARRY HANCOCK, Roger, Ray, Randy, Pat highlighted and bumped

Dear Mr. Jon G. Tidd, Please try to get it straight. The Lovelady character in the Martin clip doesn't have a jutting head. He juts his chin out while expelling smoke through his mouth. Both of which actions distort his face. Question: Why in the world would the most important actor in the staged film clip intentionally distort his face like that? To make himself look less like Billy Lovelady? If so, why then even go to the trouble of staging the scene at all? If you can't answer that question, please just say, "I can't answer that question, Tommy." Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load --Tommy Mr. Jon G. Tidd's predicted answer: "The actor intentionally distorted his face (by jutting his chin out and exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth) so that we would have an even harder time realizing that he wasn't Lovelady."

Do you agree that the guy in the Martin clip is wearing a shirt just like Lovelady's (see below) ? Yes or No or "Can't Say"? Can you see the guy in the Martin clip expelling cigarette smoke through his mouth and jutting his chin out? Yes or No or "Can't Say" ? Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load --Tommy PS I'm sorry that you have a bald spot. I'm a senior citizen and I don't have a bald spot. Lots of men don't have a bald spot. In fact, more men don't have a bald spot than do have a bald spot. Maybe only Intelligence Agents and gun thieves have bald spots. edited and bumped "Yes" what? "Yes" to both questions?

Do you agree that the guy in the Martin clip is wearing a shirt just like Lovelady's (see below) ? Yes or No or "Can't Say"? Can you see the guy in the Martin clip expelling cigarette smoke through his mouth and jutting his chin out? Yes or No or "Can't Say" ? Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load --Tommy PS I'm sorry that you have a bald spot. I'm a senior citizen and I don't have a bald spot. Lots of men don't have a bald spot. In fact, more men don't have a bald spot than do have a bald spot. Maybe only Intelligence Agents and gun thieves have bald spots.

Dear Mr. Jon G. Tidd, I asked a Marine Corps Captain this very same question just last week as our vehicles were being worked on at the same shop. He said it all depended on what the recruit was doing before he signed up. If he was playing football, there wouldn't be much change. On the other hand if he was a couch potato, there would be a big change. Was Oswald playing high school football when he enlisted? Baling hay? Doing landscape labor? Working on the docks? Or was he performing such strenuous activities as model plane making and astronomy and amateur photography? He also said that they got an unlimited amount of "chow" while in boot camp. --Tommy

How much more time do I have to save them?

Thanks. It's 12:35 PM right now in California, 3:35 PM ET, I guess. By what time do I need to do this in order for them not to be forever lost? I've got to go run some errands right now. --Tommy

So how do I go about saving a post? Thanks, --Tommy

Jon G. Tidd, You seem to be suggesting that the bad guys either photographically altered both the Martin clip and the Hughes clip to make Lovelady appear in them, or that the scene was staged at a later date. Update: Taking your most recent post on the subject (#23, the "Informal Poll" thread) into consideration, do you think that the guy who at least resembled Lovelady and was wearing the mostly-red "plaid" shirt in front of the TSBD was wearing a shirt like Lovelady's by sheer coincidence, or do you think that this TSBD scene was staged at a later date with someone who at least resembled Lovelady but intentionally distorted his face by exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth (opening his mouth and jutting his chin out in the process)? Why would an actor so critical-to-the-staged-scene, the "center piece" if you will, intentionally distort his face during the brief time he was being filmed? To try to make himself resemble Billy Lovelady a little less? That's a contradiction which defeats the purpose, doesn't it. Why wear Lovelady's shirt then? Why stage the scene at all? Martin / Hughes film sync TSBD doorway Credit: Gerda Dunckel Give the Gif time to load LOL --Tommy moved here from the "Informal Poll -- Normal vs Abnormal" thread PS -- I think that might be Dallas Secret Service SAIC Forrest Sorrels wearing the fedora with the broad band in the upper left corners of both clips. When he turns his head I think you can get a glimpse of his glasses.

Because the DPD already knew what Oswald looked like and had decided, beforehand, to arrest him shortly after the assassination? Because Military Intelligence or CIA blew it by giving J. Herbert Sawyer an inaccurate, "marked-card" description of Oswald which was based on the original 1961 "marked card" FBI report which had been forwarded to CIA (while Oswald was in Russia) and incorporated into its computerized Registry in 1961? Because Oswald had been targeted as the patsy before the assassination and his true biometrics and age were already known to the DPD? (Just "guessing") --Tommy bumped

Jon G. Tidd. Yes, I had. Bluegill perch and crappie mostly. In the pond on my uncle's Indiana farm. I was around 14 years old and about six feet tall (I maxed out at 6'5" a couple of years later) and I towered over "The Snozz." He was getting off the train in Del Mar to go to the horse races there, and my mother and I were getting off there, too, because the taxi ride from Del Mar to La Jolla was a little shorter and more scenic than from downtown San Diego to La Jolla. --Tommy

Because the DPD already knew what Oswald looked like and had decided, beforehand, to arrest him shortly after the assassination? Because Military Intelligence or CIA blew it by giving J. Herbert Sawyer an inaccurate, "marked-card" description of Oswald which was based on the original 1961 "marked card" FBI report which had been forwarded to CIA (while Oswald was in Russia) and incorporated into the CIA's computerized Registry in 1961? Because Oswald had been targeted as the patsy before the assassination and his true biometrics and age were already known to the DPD? (Just "guessing") --Tommy

Jon G. Tidd, You seem to be suggesting that the bad guys either photographically altered both the Martin clip and the Hughes clip to make Lovelady appear in them, or that the scene was staged at a later date. Update: Taking your most recent post on the subject (#23, this thread) into consideration, do you think that the guy who at least resembled Lovelady and was wearing the mostly-red "plaid" shirt in front of the TSBD was wearing a shirt like Lovelady's by sheer coincidence, or do you think that this TSBD scene was staged at a later date with someone who at least resembled Lovelady but intentionally distorted his face by exhaling cigarette smoke through his mouth (opening his mouth and jutting his chin out in the process)? Why would an actor so critical-to-the-staged-scene, the "center piece" if you will, intentionally distort his face during the brief time he was being filmed? To try to make himself resemble Billy Lovelady a little less? That's a contradiction which defeats the purpose, doesn't it. Why wear Lovelady's shirt then? Why stage the scene at all? LOL --Tommy updated and bumped for Jon G. Tidd Also: Updated Informal Poll results! "Abnormals" (2) -- Robert Mady, JON G. TIDD "Normals" (11) Tommy, Carmine, Vanessa, Paul B., Bob P., Gary, LARRY HANCOCK, Roger, Ray, Randy, Pat

Thanks Pat, I meant to say Forrest Sorrels, but that's probably wrong, too. The guy I'm talking about in the Martin clip is wearing a fedora with a wide band and he appears (to me) to be wearing glasses, just like Forrest Sorrels. --Tommy