Thomas Graves

Why do you feel compelled to insist that Lovelady was wearing his short sleeved, vertically-striped shirt that day? How would it hurt your theory to admit that he was, instead, wearing his long sleeved, mostly red (and grey and black and white) "plaid" shirt? After all, all the photographic evidence from 11/22/63 indicates that he was wearing the latter. Couldn't he be wearing that mostly red, "plaid" shirt in the photograph you posted above? Couldn't the sunlight's being reflected off that wall they're walking next to (or something like that) have made his shirt to appear lighter in the film/photograph that it actually was? Isn't it possible that Lovelady's "plaid" shirt only appeared relatively light-colored compared to Shelley's dark suit, right next to it in the film/photo? Don't get all defensive on me now. --Tommy

My Devil's Advocate Question For Today: How do you know for a certainty that the two men labeled "Shelly" and "Lovelady" are indeed Shelley and Lovelady? Can you explain why you have come to that conclusion, based on the photographic image alone? The clothing? The hairlines? Their respective heights? Etc? --Tommy

Yeah, I quit drinking, rolling my own "Bugler gold" cigarettes, and playing Texas Hold 'Em three years ago myself. I've got Medi Cal and Medi Care which I don't want to jeopardize, otherwise I'd seriously consider relocating my camper van to BC. Hitchhiked through there from La Jolla to Homer, Alaska in 1973. I remember the town of Hope, BC, where my ride dropped me off after we'd crossed the US - Canada border. It's too hot for me here in San Diego, and the gold in our local mountains (The Cuyamacas and the Lagunas) is too fine for me. I'd like to find some nuggets if you know what I mean. Got me a drywasher, a cheap Bounty Hunter metal detector (with a special 4" coil), a pan, a mobile "ham" radio, etc. I'd have to get a connection to a satellite or something so I could still cause trouble on the JFK Assassination Debate forum. LOL --Tommy PS I think one reason the Mosin-Nagant 91/30's were so accurate was because they had such long barrels.

Robert, BTW, thanks for the photos. Bringin' back memories. Another thing we have in common is that I'm a gold prospector. --Tommy

Got a good lawyer? You will need one if Jon G. Tidd sues you. Go to my FB page, "Tom Graves (Tommy)" , to see my full face in the same photo which wasn't automatically re-sized / cropped on FB as it was here at the EF. So, Gaal, are you saying that I, Thomas Graves, am John M. Tidd or that I am Jon G. Tidd, or that all three of us are one and the same person (kinda like Harvey and Lee and Henry)? Or are you just trying to change the subject? Got a good lawyer? You will need one if I sue you. Just delete your posts and admit it, Gaal. You're a lousy, paranoid, knee-jerk-reaction, "researcher." --Tommy

Carmine, Get some sleep. --Tommy

John M. Tidd looks like me (Thomas Graves)?

Which soap rendering factory in Ukraine would you like to be sent to, Stevie Baby? --Tommy

Gaal, Got a good lawyer? You confused John M. Tidd with Jon G. Tidd. https://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/sais_review/v028/28.1tidd.html Way to go, Stevie Baby. --Tommy

Mr. Jon G. Tidd, Is this an interrogation? --or-- Are you playing "Socratic professor" here, trying to draw out the correct answers from your "students"? --or-- Or are you just lazy, hoping that we will provide you with the answers? --Tommy PS Why are you here? Never mind. Please try to answer the other questions, instead. bumped

Why don't you want to give us the link to the website where you got this information about a "John Tidd"? Don't you believe in sourcing articles and quotes you post? Maybe you've got the wrong guy and our Jon G. Tidd will sue you. --Tommy Gaal, Looks like you got John M. Tidd (not Jon G. Tidd) by mistake. https://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/sais_review/v028/28.1tidd.html Got a good lawyer? --Tommy

Why don't you want to give us the link to the website where you got this information about a "John Tidd"? Don't you believe in sourcing articles and quotes you post? Maybe you've got the wrong guy and our Jon G. Tidd will sue you. --Tommy

Better source it, Gaal. John or Jon? Same Tidd? (Jon G. Tidd) Where did you get this? Snowden? --Tommy PS All his EF "biography" says is: Born 19 November, 1945. Occupation: Tax lawyer BS Electrical Engineering, JD

Mr. Jon G. Tidd, Is this an interrogation? --or-- Are you playing "professor" here, trying to draw out the correct answers from your "students"? --or-- Or are you just lazy, hoping that we will provide you with the answers? --Tommy

bumped Welcome back, Lee. --Tommy

Yes, I know. Even though mine was a "garden variety" Mosin-Nagant 91/30 which cost me only $89 (on sale) at Big 5 Sporting Goods about ten years ago, it was, IMHO, pretty darn accurate. --Tommy

Dear Jon, Wow, that sure is specific and insightful. "A party that wanted JFK dead killed him." Wish I'd said that. That really narrows down the list of possible suspects! I was thinking that maybe a party that didn't want him dead killed him by mistake. "A party that benefited from JFK's death killed JFK." Another doozy. I was thinking that JFK was killed by an Odd Duck who had nothing whatsoever to gain from JFK's death. Or maybe it was just a "homosexual thrill killing," in which case the assassin would have been a QU33R Duck !!! LOL Shows you just how wrong a guy can be! Since "turn about is fair play," if I answer any questions from you in the future, I'll give you the most generalized answer I can. Just as though I'm an enemy spy being interrogated by a (former) Intelligence Agent. --Tommy edited and bumped

Robert, I believe mine stuck straight out to the side. --Tommy

Hi Paul Just to confuse things, what model of Carcano? While the M91/38 Carcano short rifle found, supposedly, on the 6th floor, might not have been the most accurate or well made weapon in the world, there are Carcano models that are extremely well built AND accurate. Here is one model that comes to mind: Pictured above is a 6.5mm Carcano M91/41 long rifle. This particular version was built for competition shooting, as evidenced by the double or "match" triggers. This rifle was so accurate, it was used by Italian teams in international shooting competitions, right into the 1960's. The M91/41 is a central part of the bizarre history of Second World War Italian infantry rifles. As you may know, the short rifle made its debut in 1938 as the M38, chambering an all new 7.35x51mm cartridge, which was, in fact, not a new cartridge at all. It was actually the old 6.5x52mm cartridge, with 1 mm trimmed off the case length and its cartridge neck opened up to accept the larger diameter bullet. Everything else about the 7.35mm (ie. bolt, receiver) was identical to the old 6.5mm rifles. This rifle was manufactured for a grand total of two years, 1938 and 1939, before production was abandoned and the 6.5x52mm cartridge was brought back. They did retain the short rifle design, and the 6.5mm and the 7.35mm short rifles cannot be told apart without close inspection of stampings. The 6.5mm short rifle, designated the M91/38, had an even shorter production life, and was only manufactured for one year, that year being 1940, although there was a tiny number of them made at one plant in early 1941. This may qualify as the shortest production run of any infantry rifle of the 20th Century, and one has to wonder just what was wrong with the M91/38 short rifles, to justify their relegation to the scrap heap. So, in 1941, in the middle of a war Italy was losing badly, an all new infantry weapon was introduced to Italian troops, the M91/41 long rifle. It had one very interesting feature that I would have considered, should I have been the one planning the assassination, that it shared with the M91/38 short rifle but with no other Carcano rifle. Up to 1938, Carcano rifles had been made with rifling grooves in their barrels in a style known as "progressive" or "gain" twist. Starting with the M38, and continuing with the M91/38 and M91/41, the riflings were made with a standard twist. The ratio of twist for both the M91/38 and M91/41 was 1:8.47, meaning that a bullet would complete one complete spin in every 8.47 inches of barrel length it travelled through. In the progressive twist models, no other model had exactly the same ratio of twist for its final twist. What this meant was a bullet could be fired from either model of rifle and, if only the rifling impressions on the bullets were examined, you would not be able to tell which model of rifle each bullet had been fired from. Can you see the potential for confusing investigators here? Except for the two triggers, it looks a lot like the 1942 Mosin-Nagant 91/30 I used to have. I'm no marksman, but I was able to put 30 rounds inside an 8" X 8" square at 100 yards with iron sights. It's total length was 48.5 inches and it was made in Izhevsk, Russia, after Stalin moved the factory to the Urals to be out of range of the German bombers, and it kicked like a mule. --Tommy

Mark, Exactly. "You're the cop. You figure it out." --Tommy

Dear Jon, Wow, that sure is specific and insightful. "A party that wanted JFK dead killed him." Wish I'd said that. That really narrows down the list of possible suspects! I was thinking that maybe a party that didn't want him dead killed him by mistake. "A party that benefited from JFK's death killed JFK." Another doozy. I was thinking that JFK was killed by an Odd Duck who had nothing whatsoever to gain from JFK's death. Or maybe it was just a "homosexual thrill killing," in which case the assassin would have been a QU33R Duck !!! LOL Shows you just how wrong a guy can be! Since "turn about is fair play," if I answer any questions from you in the future, I'll give you the most generalized answer I can. Just as though I'm an enemy spy being interrogated by a (former) Intelligence Agent. --Tommy

Mr. Tidd, If you picked today who killed JFK and why, whom would you pick? Thank you, --Tommy

You tell me, Jon. You're the former Intelligence Agent. I don't have a clue, and if I did, why should I tell you? So you could tear it down on this forum? Who wants to be corrected or trivialized in public by a former Intelligence Agent? Okay, Jon, I'll tell you. I think JFK was killed by someone who bore an uncanny resemblance to an Odd Duck who was "spotted" by the plotters about ten years before the assassination. LOL Respectfully, --Tommy edited and bumped already

You tell me, Jon. You're the former Intelligence Agent. I don't have a clue, and if I did, why should I tell you? So you could tear it down on this forum? Who wants to be corrected or trivialized in public by a former Intelligence Agent? I think JFK was killed by an Odd Duck who was "spotted" by the plotters about ten years before the assassination. LOL Respectfully, --Tommy

I believe it is very germane. In any murder case, the background of the victim and main suspect are of supreme importance. In this case, it leads not just to the frame, but to the real plotters of the assassination and some of the players in it. I agree that the FBI and CIA were pretty much snookered by the use of Oswald as the patsy. The party you refer to at the end is a highly placed insider with lots of intel connections. Most of the answers are not in the box we've been told we can play in. Most are outside that box. There were no shortage of potential false sponsors - and no shortage of some willing to push those false sponsors... and here I include both pro-Castroites and anti-Castro exiles among others, not least being the "mob". LBJ either knew what was happening and did nothing to stop it, or found out after, and quickly jumped on board the cover-up. His "millions will die" pleadings to Warren is the give-away... it was a line used to produce another cover-up in an earlier historical event... and this case is filled with such historical borrowings by the cover-up artists. I think parts of the CIA and FBI snookered the rest of both organizations, and made it look like they themselves had been snookered, too, by each other, and / or by the self-serving constraints of a top-secret "mole hunt". --Tommy Bumped