Thomas Graves

Paul, With all due respect, let's work backwards on this, shall we? Have you ever heard of Cozy Bear, Fancy Bear, Guccifer 2.0? Do you believe they were DNC or NSA insiders? An evil CIA plot, perhaps? George Soros in action? Or do you believe, as do seventeen U.S. intelligence agencies, that they were Russian FSB and GRU operatives? Regardless, do you think they helped pro-Putin (and anti-EU, anti-NATO) Donald Trump get elected, or do you think they (and Putin's legions of professional trolls in Saint Petersburg, and his bots) had nothing to do with it, and that it was just a case of lousy campaigning by that nasty woman, Hillary "Killery" Clinton? -- Tommy

Paul, How about their just wanting to B-R-I-N-G U-S D-O-W-N? That work for you? You know, not like a hit job followed by an immediate invasion or anything, but a hit job meant to give rise to oodles and gobs of debilitating, anti-Intelligence Community "tinfoil hat" conspiracy theories? A hit job that might even have been called off by Khrushchev, but carried out by a well-trained Lee Harvey Oswald, anyway? -- Tommy

Jim, With all due respect, are you referring to the George de Mohrenschildt whom CI/SIG's Edward Clare Petty suspected, based on some VENONA decrypts, was a long-term KGB "illegal"? THAT George de Mohrenschildt? -- Tommy

I hope John doesn't like "news" from RT, Drudge Report, and ZeroHedge, etc. -- Tommy https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

Sandy, With all due respect, do you realize how good your "Harvey's" spoken English was as regards syntax, grammar. and vocabulary? Better than most college students today, IMHO. He even uses gerunds correctly! -- Tommy

Sandy, With all due respect, are you going into numerology and code breaking now? The dude's historical name is Nikolai Leonov. Last time I checked, he was a member of that highly democratic institution known as the Russian parliament or Duma. You don't think he was KGB in 1963? -- Tommy

Sandy, Like, termites have plans? -- Tommy PS Does only the evil, evil, evil, evil CIA have long-range objectives?

David, First time I've heard of that cover name. I just now did a quick google search, but nothing came up. Maybe MFF? -- Tommy

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Jeffrey, Maybe it took a little longer than they expected... -- Tommy

Kirk, With all due respect, I'm laughing so hard I'm rolling around on the floor. (And I'm sure Vladimir Putin is jumping for joy). You aren't going full-on "Illuminati," are you? LOL! -- Tommy

David, Thanks! -- Tommy PS His real name is at the bottom.

Paul, How about to get revenge for the humiliation they experienced during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Or to use the assassination of JFK to spur the creation of a legion of bewildering conspiracy theories, mostly blaming the CIA and The Far Right, so that eventually virtually everything in the U.S. would be subject to paralyzing, divisive doubt, so that eventually no one would do any fact-checking anymore, and so that eventually a Russian mobbed-up, and therefore blackmail-able, "useful idiot" like Trump could be installed by someone like KGB-boy Vladimir Putin? -- Tommy

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I'm throwing this evolving idea "out there" for your consideation: Maybe Duran and Azcue collectively and intentionally described "the man who visited the Cuban Consulate" in such a way as to very strongly suggest to knowledgeable people that it was Nikolai Leonov. Why? Because they knew that Leonov was KGB (or at least that he was a Russian "diplomat") and that he did not resemble Lee Harvey Oswald height-wise (5' 7" versus 5' 9.5"), age-wise (30 versus 24 23), eye-color wise (blue versus hazel-grey, iirc) nor, especially, hair color-wise (blond versus light brown) nor facial-wise (very thin versus "normal"). "But, but, but .... Why would they do THAT, Tommy?" Well, maybe because by doing so, Duran and Azcue were cleverly trying to communicate to the authorities that the Russians were behind a virtual impersonation of Oswald, and that Oswald hadn't even been to the Cuban Consulate. And they might even have been pointing their fingers at Leonov, specifically, because maybe it was he who had somehow "encouraged" them to lie about Oswald, and had even provided them, at some point, with the mysterious "passport-sized" photos of LHO .... Thoughts? -- Tommy Or, if you prefer (as I suspect most Forum members will), the evil, evil CIA was behind the virtual impersonation of Oswald, and got the evil, evil DNS to force Duran and Azcue to say this (that the man was short, blond-haired, very thin-faced, etc), thinking that if researchers figured out LHO hadn't been to Mexico City, at least they would suspect that the the Ruskies had done it. Virtually impersonated Oswald, that is ...

Chris, Sounds as though whoever wrote that simply confused Mobutu of Zaire with Tom Mboya of Kenya. Angleton briefly talks about the assassination of Mboya starting at 2:07 in this video: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mboya -- Tommy

Mervyn, With all due respect, I believe the president of the Dallas County Bar Association offered to help him. https://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/obituaries/2010/04/27/H-Louis-Nichols-Dallas-3239 -- Tommy

"Even though it was in his handwriting and next to his dictionary and inside her house and not too terribly far from the kitchen, how in the world could she have known for sure, when she very sneakily copied it, that it was a draft of the letter he'd typed in front of her one day earlier and on her typewriter, Tommy?" LOL

Chris, So, all-in-all, given everything I've pointed out to you in my last four or five posts on this thread, I'd have to say that Ruth's story about how she thought the mysto paper was Oswald's final draft when she put it in the drawer sounds plausible to me. What's really disconcerting is that a couple of months before the assassination, CIA's tentative identification of Kostikov as being Department 13 hinged on Oleg Byrkin's being Department 13 at the U.N., which "identification," in turn, was based on information given to the FBI by someone who many years later turned out to be a loyal-to-Moscow triple agent -- Aleksy Kulak, aka "Fedora". -- Tommy P.S. I know that former KGB general (and head of the First Chief Directorate) Oleg Kalugin says Kulak/"Fedora" was a true informer to the FBI and CIA, but his saying that (and that Bagley's book is "trash" because "Nosenko was a true defector!") just tells me that Kalugin either isn't what he appears to be, or was himself fed disinfo by the Second Chief Directorate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(KGB_agent)

Chris, Are you denying the possibility that Ruth recognized the paper as being the same kind Oswald had tried to hide from her on the kitchen table, and that she recognized Oswald's handwriting "above the fold," and that she realized that, whatever it was, it was written in the English language (thereby eliminating Marina as the writer)? Oh yeah, and what about the dictionary? Don't you think she would have noticed it on the kitchen table while Oswald was writing / typing, and then when she saw it the next day next to the draft, it's being there would, combined with all the other stuff, above, indicate to her that "mysto paper" must be his final draft? ? -- Tommy

Chris, I was going to say that another way Ruthie could have recognized Oswald's handwriting is if she'd done some previous snooping around in his possessions, or if he'd shown her something he'd written. Regarding his alleged being at the Irving post office on Saturday November 2, did he send his changes of addresses in my mail, or did he physically turn them in at the P.O. on 11/02/63? -- Tommy I reiterate: Who other than Oswald, as far as Ruthie was concerned, could have left that mysto, English-language paper there? Marina?

On 1/23/07 William Kelly said: Steven Roy, The CIA did five different studies of Nosenko, not all with the same conclusion. An analysis of the five studies and their different approaches and conclusions was publshed in the CIA's inhouse magazine - Studies In Intelligence and contained in an anthology of some twenty or so articles that appeared there. The different studies went from regular debriefing to year long isolation and tourture, with the final analysis being the application of the total amount of damage done by the revelation of all he knew - x ballanced against z , what he says about the assassination of JFK, concluding he was a bonifide defector. The whole Angleton end of it played the joker card, and is still a major influence in JFK assassination research and still an active disinformation campaign - witness Russo, Mitrokin, etc. BK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Kelly, If you'll read Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book "Spy Wars," and his 2015 pdf flollow-up "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," you'll learn that the five(?) CIA studies (from 1967 on, iirc) to which you refer were intellectually dishonest, and were done by unqualified people "to rid the CIA of this incubus," as Helms so succinctly referred to The Nosenko Problem. Both are free to read on the internet. -- TG

Chris, Thanks for the timeline. Personally, I think Oswald's handwriting was so distinctively bad, that even if Ruthie had only just sneaked a peak at it while putting her child it the highchair (or whatever), that she could have recognized the "mysto paper" as having been written by the same awful hand. And besides, who else's could it logically have been? An unfinished letter (in English) by Marina to her local KGB handler? (LOL) -- Tommy PS Do you think the postmark says "NOV 2" or "NOV [1]2"? If the former, then how could the bad guys have been so careless as to be so far off, date-wise?

Bumped -- Tommy

I might be wrong, but did Abt try to make contact with Oswald, or was it the other way around? I believe that it was the latter. -- Tommy