Thomas Graves

edited and bumped with the following comment Dear "Deep State" James, Can you disprove anything I've pointed out about "Neck Scratcher"? In other words, can you prove that I'm wrong about his being David Sanchez Morales? Did I ever say for sure that Morales impersonated Oswald on the phone, or did I only suggest it as a possibility? -- Tommy

Dear James, You don't seem to realize that in order for one to believe in Harvey and Lee and the Two Marguerites, one must not only read the book, but be of a gullible, paranoiac, "We Live In A Deep State!" disposition, as well. Vladimir Putin loves it, because he knows that that kind of thinking (which he engenders and makes palatable to both the Alt Right and the Alt Left, through his xxxxx factory in Saint Petersburg, and by Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear through Gucccifer 2.0 and Assange) is tearing this country apart. How does it feel to know that you might be doing Putin's dirty work for him, unwittingly of course? -- Tommy PS Short memory eh, James? Doesn't my proving that "Larry Florer" really was Larry Florer, or my proving (by going to the La Jolla Library's History Room) that the guy whose car was photographed outside the Mexico City Soviet Embassy on 11/23/63 really was living on Fay avenue in La Jolla in 1963, and that David Ferrie had called a BANK in La Jolla in April, 1962, and my interviewing of retired ONI special agent Robert D. Steel, and my recent posting that there were ALPHA 66 meetings in La Jolla in 1963, and my going to the Brass Rail bar in the Hillcrest part of San Diego and finding out it had never been owned by Hungarians count for anything?

Kudos to you, Tracy! Notwithstanding two minor typos in the form of a missing comma in the sentence "Nothing was 'suspended', and a professor should know better." , and the minor boo-boo in the sentence, "However, Kudlaty apparently didn’t think anything sinister was going before speaking to Armstrong on since he never reported the alleged 'confiscation,'” you, sir, have written a decisive and definitive disputation of the Harvey-and-Lee-and-the-Two-Marguerites beliefs of the (soon to be non-tenured?) Professor and his Deep State-believing coreligionists. -- Tommy

"Dear James" Which Oswald do you think short, blond, very thin-faced KGB officer Nikolai Leonov was -- "Harvey" or "Lee"? You know, the guy near the Mexico City Soviet Embassy who was photographically captured by two cameras and labeled by the CIA as "LEON"? You have one of those two photos on your website, the one second from the left, below. -- Tommy PS Are you sure it was the Cuban Government that provided that CIA photo to the HSCA?

Dear Mike, I wouldn't have bumped this but for the unfortunate fact that you arrogantly used the phrase "nothing of importance." -- Tommy BTW, your "Hilarious Hargrove" never responded to that old post (the one about KGB officer Nikolai Leonov), either. So I hope you don't mind my bumping it, seein' as how it is my thread.

Here he is again in the second photo from the left. Both photos were taken by the CIA in Mexico City at 12:05 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 1963, one day after Oswald had been impersonated on the phone. edited a bit and bumped

Dear James, I don't "rad" it at all. -- Tommy

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Tracy, Please do not confuse Jim Hargrove with the facts. LOL -- Tommy

Depends on how far the building is from the outfielder. -- Tommy

"Dear James" 1 ) Could you please post here the two photos of "Russian-speaking Harvey" which John Pic was shown? Were they new photos at the time, or old ones? How recently had Pic been face-to-face with "Lee"? 2 ) Marguerite's two best friends didn't recognize "phony" Marguerite from face-to-face encounters they had with her, or from seeing her on TV, or from looking at some photographs? If photographs, were they old ones ones or new ones? How recently had they met face-to-face with the "real" Marguerite? -- Tommy PS You'd better but a big bandage on that wound Tracy gave you a few minutes ago. You're dripping blood all over the place.

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Tracy, That was more than just your average touché! You've drawn blood, and the "Harvey and Lee and the two Marguerites" aficionados are mortally wounded now. Slowly bleeding to death on the Education Forum. Shaking their heads and muttering, "Why the hell didn't I just stick with the relatively safe sport of bullfighting?" -- Tommy

Dear Paul, Let's just be grateful he didn't say "Lee Hecksher Oswald," shall we? -- Tommy

I don't mean to nitpick, but I think he said "Lee Oswald." -- Tommy

I agree. The eyebrows, for example, are a perfect match. -- Tommy

"Dear James" Why in the world did you label the two guys in the middle the way you did? If anything you should have called the skinny blond guy "Azcue's Blond Oswald" or LEON (KGB officer Nikolai Leonov), and the husky one to his right "Mexico City Mystery Man," or perhaps, KGB agent Yuri Moskalev. You do realize that these same two guys were photographed near the front entrance of the Soviet Embassy only eleven minutes apart on October 2, 1963, don't you? One day after someone impersonated "Lee Oswald" over the phone? -- Tommy Here's the guy the CIA labelled "LEON," as in Leonov

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Dear Paul, How do you think the impersonator would have responded if the Russian guy on the other end of the line had said "Yatskov," or "Nechiporenko," or "Leonov," instead? Do you think he would have said, "Nope, I think his name started with a 'K'"? -- Tommy

You're right, James. Morales had a rare skin disorder on the back of his neck, and was known to scratch that one particular spot for minutes at a time, in direct contravention of his dermatologist's explicit orders. -- Tommy

Dear Paul, You really do need to keep your facts straight. The October 1 impersonator did not ask to speak with Kostikov. He didn't even say that he had previously met with Kostikov. He told the Russian guy on the other end of the line that he couldn't remember the name of the Soviet Embassy official he had met with a few days earlier, and the Russian guy on the other end of the line volunteered that it might have been Kostikov. Oswald(?) : Hello, this is Lee Oswald speaking. I was at your place last Saturday and spoke to a Consul, and they said they'd send a telegram to Washington, so I wanted to find out if you have anything new? But I don't remember the name of that Consul. Other Party: Kostikov. He is dark hair or skin? Oswald(?) : Yes. My name is Oswald. Other Party: Just a minute, I'll find out . . . They say that they haven't received anything yet. Oswald(?): Have they done anything? Other Party: Yes, they say that a request has been sent out, but nothing has been received as yet. Oswald(?): And what . . . ? (Other Party hangs up.) -- Tommy

Dear James, I take it you don't like the idea of a four-year-long "Oswald Project" which fabricated and kinda merged "Harvey's" and "Lee's" childhoods, after "Harvey" had joined the Marines? Do you really prefer the longer-term "doppelganger project" in which the bad guys luckily chose two eight-year-old boys who grew up looking sufficiently alike be able to fool witnesses, after the assassination, that they had dealt with "Harvey" instead of that mysterious "Lee" (what did end up happening to him, anyway? -- Is he living with Jason Bourne and his girlfriend in Goa, India?) ? -- Tommy

"Dear James" To freshen your memory, we were talking about Hungarian "Harvey's" incredibly good English syntax, grammar, and vocabulary, not his Russian language skills. He spoke and wrote pretty darn good English for a (dyslexic?) boy whose "mother tongue" was Hungarian (a Central Asian-based, non-Indo-European language), and who, at a young age, learned the Indo-European but highly "inflected" (look it up) Russian language, and then somehow mastered the also Indo-European but not highly inflected English language! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflection#English Russian has six "cases" (look up that grammatical term), whereas English (which centuries ago was highly inflected) has only 2 1/2 "mishmashed" ones. That's why word order is important in English. "Active voice" (look up that grammatical term) uses classic Subject - Verb - Object word order; "Passive voice" uses Object - Verb - Subject word order (which is preferred by lawyers, btw - LOL). In a Slavic language like Russian, word order is not so important (except for emphasizing different words in the sentence); that's why Russian people who are learning English often utter sentences that seem "all mixed up" to us, word-order-wise. Two other differences to bear in mind are that English has something like 18 or 21 "tenses" (look it up), whereas Russian only has three or five (depending on how you define "tense"), and that English uses "articles" (look it up), i.e. "a" "an" and "the", whereas Slavic languages like Russian do not, which would explain why my Czech students made so many mistakes in trying to use them correctly while speaking English. (That's why whenever I hear someone having problems with the words "a" "an" and / or "the", I immediately suspect, especially if I can hear a Slavic accent, that they are from a Slavic country like Poland, the Czech Republic, or Russia, for example.) It's interesting to note that your Hungarian "Harvey" who had "learned Russian at an early age" didn't make mistakes regarding word order , tenses, or the use of the aforementioned "articles" when speaking or writing in English. Which leads me to believe that he was born in the U.S., and that English was his "mother tongue." -- Tommy PS It seems to me that your Precious Professor was full of high-falutin' "book-learning," but was woefully inexperienced with "hands on" learning. Like being raised in La Jolla, California (home of UCSD and the Salk Institute, etc), hitch-hiking to Alaska, driving a taxi cab for five years in San Diego and Scottsdale, Arizona, going to lawschool for one year -- and not flunking out! --, and teaching "conversational English" to Czech people for seven years, in ... the Czech Republic. Oh, yeah, and having to learn some Czech, myself, like "Another beer, please," and ... "Where's the restroom?" PPS "And blah-blah-blah," yourself, Kamarad.

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"Dear James" 1 ) No American's English is perfect, especially when communicating informally with a close American relative. “Sorry too (to) take so long to write but I thought sometime (thing) might have come up(,) but we’re still waiting.” My analysis: Two spelling mistakes and one missing punctuation mark. Big deal. 2 ) As regards your contention that "Harvey" didn't sound Southern enough during his radio debate, I would imagine that it was was because he was trying to sound educated to the radio audience, rather than like a good old Southern boy. Probably the same way he tried to sound when he gave his prepared speech to that seminary. 3 ) As regards your "point" that my arguments are "stupid" -- well, close but no cigar, Dear James. It would be more accurate to say that even though I'm stupid, my arguments are intuitively brilliant. Know why? Because when I was typing out those two letters, above, one of them had a word in it that Oswald actually spelled correctly and I got wrong (but didn't notice until I was proofreading what I'd typed and the "spellchecker" pointed it out. Given the fact that I'm pretty stupid, my making a spelling mistake should have been forseeable I mean foreseeable, huh? 4 ) As far as your precious YALE PROFESSOR is concerned, he was so far off on his "analysis," above, as to be suspect, imho. Let me put it to you this way -- he was so far off that I wouldn't be surprised if he was working the graveyard shift for the the YALE LOCK COMPANY, instead. -- Tommy