Gil Jesus

Navis was a bookstore owner who specialized in JFK assassination books. He claimed to have struck up a friendship with Lee Bowers before Bowers died. He also claimed to have received a letter from Bowers in which Bowers claimed to have seen a Dallas Policeman fire from behind the picket fence. When pressed to produce this letter, however, Navis could not. So his claim was pooh-poohed as just another publicity stunt.

Thanks, Steve. Talk about coincidence, that was right around the time that Tippit was shot.

According to Boone's affidavit, the "Mauser" was found at 1:22 pm. If both of those times are correct, doesn't sound like the same rifle to me.

Stu, you're assuming that only one rifle was found in the building and that three sheriffs deputies were all wrong in their description of it. But they were sure enough about what they saw that they filed sworn affidavits under oath and under penalty of perjury. I doubt I would do that unless I was absolutely sure of what I was attesting to. Also, the descriptions of the witnesses who saw the rifle in the window before and during the shooting DO NOT match the Depository rifle. Arnold Rowland's detailed description of the rifle he saw is especially convincing. How can all of these witnesses describe a rifle other than the Depository rifle and be wrong ?

BLUE DEATH : Were Dallas Police officers involved in the murder of President Kennedy ? By Gil Jesus (2021) (Author's Note: This is newer version of an old post of mine from 2007 ) There are many reasons to suspect that the Dallas Police were in some way involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. Not only were they responsible for the safety of the President, they were responsible for collecting and processing the evidence from the scene of the murder. They were also responsible for the safety of the accused assassin. When it was over, the President was dead, his assassin was dead and there remained questions regarding the evidence to this day, almost 60 years later that have not been answered. Could any major metropolitan law enforcement agency have been so inept, so careless and so unprofessional as to allow this tragedy of errors to occur, or was this a well-planned plot to remove suspicion from those responsible and direct it to a "patsy" who would never see his day in court ? Power on the Right Of all people, General Edwin Walker may have given us a clue to who was responsible for the mysterious deaths of witnesses after the assassination, when he told the Warren Commission, "You can anticipate that there are people that would like to shut up anybody who knows anything about this case. People right here in Dallas." (0) Who would know what witnesses had information that needed to be kept under wraps ? Where they lived or their contact info ? The ones who took their statements and filed the reports. Membership in right-wing organizations such as the John Birch Society or the Ku Klux Klan was a prerequisite for acceptance on the Dallas Police force. Jack Ruby hinted at right-wing involvement by attempting to direct Earl Warren towards the JBS. (1) Had the Commission looked at the JBS in Dallas, it would have led to, among others, General Walker, H.L.Hunt and members of the Dallas police. Ruby was also fearful to speak in Dallas. Consider this: The only ones Ruby wasn't safe from while he was in jail were the cops. A Dallas County Deputy Sheriff named Hiram Ingram stated that he had knowledge of a police conspiracy. He fell and broke his hip on April 1, 1968 and died of cancer three days later. (2) The Dallas police controlled security along the motorcade route, the manpower allotments, the crime scenes, the evidence, the media, the interrogation of the suspect, the release of all other suspects, the custody and safety of the prisoner, the prisoner's immediate family and all phases of the preliminary investigation. To say they did a poor job is a gross understatement. Motorcade Security In his testimony before the Warren Commission, Roy Kellerman, the agent on the White House detail who was the on-the-scene agent in charge of the Dallas trip, indicated the motorcade route was in the hands of Secret Service advance agent Winston Lawson and the Dallas Police. (3) Dallas Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels told the WC that the police officials agreed that the route taken was the best. (4) Chief Curry drove Sorrels and Lawson through the motorcade route up to Main and Houston then pointed and said that the highway was "over there." Because a large number of Dallas police who were on vacation or had the day off refused to work security for the President's visit, the police were forced to use reserve officers. The captain of the Dallas police reserves, Charles Arnett, told the Warren Commission, " if there was a threat of bodily harm (to the President), they (the reserves) were to report their concerns to the nearest "regular officer". (5) So if a reserve officer saw someone pull a pistol and point it at President Kennedy, he was under orders to run a couple of blocks and return with a regular officer. This was Dallas' idea of "maximum protection" for the President. Vacations and days off were not cancelled. Officers whose normal day off was that Friday refused to work overtime and thus kept their day off. For example, in the Homicide Division alone, 60% of the detectives were not available to work on the day of the assassination. This in the city that had roughed up Adlai Stevenson just a month before. (6) As a result of this burden, Chief Curry took to the airwaves to warn the citizens to be on their best behavior. There was only "token" police protection along the motorcade route. There were 178 officers, including reserves, on the parade route for an estimated 250,000 people. That boils down to one officer for every 1,404 potential assailants. In addition, none of the officers either in the motorcade or on its route, were ever told to be concerned about the estimated 20,000 open windows along the motorcade route. (7) On November 20th, two Dallas officers saw "mock target practice" going on at the picket fence atop the grassy knoll. They arrived in time to see the participants depart in haste and only wrote a report on the matter AFTER November 22nd. The report was buried by the FBI and only came to light after a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. (8) Marion Baker had been assigned to ride alongside the Presidential limousine, but was told by his sergeant five or ten minutes before leaving Love Field that no officers would be riding alongside the President's car. (9) Officer Bobby Hargis confirmed that "we were supposed to be beside the car". (10) Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission that Secret Service agent Winston Lawson cut the number of motorcycles from four on each side of the President's limousine to two on each side, then moved them back. (11) His testimony was supported by Captain Perdue W. Lawrence.(12) Officer Billy Joe Martin told the Commission that "they (Secret Service) instructed us that they didn't want anyone riding past the President's car and that we were to ride to the rear, to the rear of his car, about the rear bumper. (13) According to Martin, "they told us at Love Field right after Kennedy's plane landed...Well, while Kennedy was busy shaking hands with all the well-wishers at the airport, Johnson's Secret Service people came over to the motorcycle cops and gave us a bunch of instructions...They also ordered us into the damnedest escort formation I've ever seen. Ordinarily, you bracket the car with four motorcycles, one on each fender. But this time, they told the four of us assigned to the President's car there'd be no forward escorts. We were to stay well to the back and not let ourselves get ahead of the car's rear wheels under any circumstances. I'd never heard of a formation like that, much less ridden in one, but they said they wanted to let the crowds have an unrestricted view of the president. Well, I guess somebody got an 'unrestricted view' of him, all right." (14) Martin claimed that some of those instructions were that the four Presidential motorcycle officers were ordered that "under no circumstances were they to leave their positions regardless of what happened." (15) The re-deployment of the motorcycle escort to the rear of the rear wheels not only gave "everyone" an unrestricted view of the President, it made it easier for anybody to throw anything from an egg to a bomb at him. In a hostile city as Dallas, to configure the motorcade in the way it was done was more than incompetent. It was criminal. The redeployment of the motorcycle escort left Kennedy unprotected from the front and from the side. It allowed those close enough to him, the people on the curbs, to have an unrestricted and unobstructed opportunity to cause him physical harm. And although the Dallas police claimed that Lawson told them on the evening of the 21st that Kennedy didn't want any motorcycles alongside his car, Lawson was forced to admit under oath that he never heard Kennedy give that order. (16) The last-minute stripping of the President's protection by Lawson on the evening before his arrival is at the least, disturbing. It suggests that Lawson knew beforehand that shots were going to be fired and as a result, removed the police officers from the line of fire. He also removed the military man from the front seat of the limo on the morning of the assassination. The "man with the football", the nuclear codes, was removed from the front seat of the limo where he usually sat between the Secret Service agents and placed in a car further back in the motorcade, presumably to get him out of the line of fire. In Tampa, agents rode on the back of the limo despite the President's alleged aversion to having them there. In Dallas there were no agents on the rear of the car except for agent Clinton Hill, who got on and off of the rear bumper four times during the motorcade. If any of the agents in the White House detail believed that JFK didn't want anyone on the back bumper, they never told Agent Hill. The Press Vehicles Usually the President's motorcades were filmed from the front by cameramen riding on a flat bed truck in front of the President's limousine. Not in Dallas. In the "Big D" those were convertibles they were riding in and they were six or seven cars in BACK of the President. The remainder of the Press rode in two Busses at the END of the motorcade! The entire configuration of the motorcade was changed on the morning of the 22nd. Police Deficiencies Julia Ann Mercer gave a deposition claiming to have seen a rifle being unloaded from a truck at the base of the knoll on Elm St. on the morning of the assassination. In that deposition, she said that "there were three policemen standing talking near a motorcycle on the bridge just west of me" when the rifle was unloaded. (17) Dallas officers disregarded any orders to keep the overpasses clear. Sheriff Bill Decker ordered his men not to participate in the protection of the motorcade. Decker also displayed an unwillingness to transfer Oswald. (18) In a letter to Jean Hill, "JB" wrote: "I get the distinct feeling that the feds think somebody in the Dallas Police had something to do with the hit on Kennedy....so many Dallas cops knew Jack Ruby, the fact that somebody let him in to the basement right before he shot Oswald, the fact that some of the cops were heard cussing Kennedy for being a flaky liberal." (19) Certain witnesses were totally ignored. They didn't seal off the building right away (20) and as a result, some people who were in the building at the time of the shooting were allowed to leave. When they did finally seal off the building, those still inside were escorted to the County Records Building to give their statements in the office of the Dallas County Sheriff's Department. When this happened, the police had the building to themselves with only Roy Truly present. ( Note: this is when I believe the "gunsack" was made by police ) No impediments were placed in the way of fleeing assassins and although they claimed to have known that Oswald ( by name ) was missing from the Texas School Book Depository Building, no-all-points-bulletin was ever broadcast for him. Evidence was faked, altered or suppressed. Police officers perjured themselves in testimony. Ridiculously biased lineups were held at which witnesses, after seeing Oswald's picture on TV and in the newspapers were asked to identify him standing alongside police detectives, a police clerk, teenagers and an overweight Mexican. Photographic evidence and video evidence taken by witnesses was seized, never to be seen again. At Parkland Hospital, the police tried to enforce Texas criminal law that required the autopsy to be done by the civilian medical examiner of Dallas County, Dr. Earl Rose. There was shouting and shoving and in the end, they were forced to yield at gunpoint to the Secret Service and forfeited custody of the body to them. Was there a struggle for possession of the body because that was the law, or were there bullets in that body that both sides wanted ? In recent years, evidence has surfaced that the Dallas Police may have been involved in the assassination, if not directly, then at least as an enabler. There's the whole "badgeman" thing, the discovery by Gary Mack and Jack White of a figure in the Moorman photo of a man in a police uniform firing from behind the picket fence. And the claim of Al Navis that Lee Bowers once wrote him a letter saying that he saw a Dallas Policeman fire a rifle from the behind the picket fence. And then there's the account of Gordon Arnold and his encounter with a Dallas policeman who had dirty hands on the Grassy Knoll when no policeman was officially there. Whether these were actual policemen or killers dressed up as policemen, no one really knows. It was never investigated. And while there was a killer on the loose where was the Police Chief ? While his men wrestled an alleged cop-killer in the Texas Theater, Chief Jesse Curry drove Lyndon Johnson to the airport, then stayed on board Air Force 1 for a photo-op during the swearing-in ceremony. That's some great leadership. And despite telephone threats against the life of Oswald, the Dallas police took no supplemental precautions to ensure his safety. Once wounded, the hospital personnel administered no anesthesia to Oswald. NOTES (0) 11H 417, 419 (1) 5H 198; Marrs, Crossfire, p.1 (2) Penn Jones, Forgive My Grief III, p. 15 (3) 2H 111 (4) 7H 338 (5) 12H 132 (6) 24H 259 (7) King ex. 4, 20H454 (8) cited in Davis, Mafia Kingfish, pp. 175-176 (9) 3H 244 (10) Mark Oakes interview with Hargis 6-26-95 (11) 4H 171 (12) 7H 580-581 (13) 6H 293 (14) Jean Hill, Last Dissenting Witness, pp 112-114 (15) Newcomb & Adams, Murder from Within, P.33 (16) 4H 338 (17) 19H 483 (18) 9H 530 (19) Sloan and Hill, Last Dissenting Witness, p.75 (20) 23H 847, 916

I agree. Cliff, this case has nothing but distractions, or what you refer to as "rabbit holes". CE 399 is a stage prop. This wasn't a perfect crime. They made mistakes covering it up. One was that receipt for a "missile" that went from the SS to the FBI. I think years ago David Lifton gave the world evidence that the body was flown out of Dallas while AF-1 was delayed on the ground and ended up at Walter Reed prior to the Bethesda autopsy. They must have done a hack job digging those bullets out of the body because when it got to Bethesda, they couldn't tell which were the entrance wounds and which were the exit wounds. Just my two cents FWIW.

Good question Dave. I've never seen evidence that they would admit there was a problem except that the bolt was so rusted they had to operate it back and forth for almost 10 minutes to free it up. I don't know how it affected their speed, but even if it did they wouldn't have admitted it.

Excellent point Rick. A police sniper is patient. He knows he may only get one shot, especially in a hostage situation. But that doesn't mean he only loads one cartridge in the rifle. Neither does a military sniper. And as far as two different kinds of ammunition goes, you're right. It is evidence of two shooters. And if the bullets don't match the shells, that's evidence of tampering with the shells.

Thanks Steve. I believe this house at 3126 Harlandale played a major role in the assassination of JFK. General Walker, the Cubans, gunrunning "stolen" guns from Fort Hood, students from North Texas State University in Denton, Ruby, Oswald.....you can almost put the whole thing together right from these associations. The only questions I have are what relationship did James Hosty have with all these right-wing groups ? I know it was his job to keep track of them, but was he playing both sides of the street ? Was he watching them and at the same time withholding what he was learning ? Was he running Oswald ? Oswald definitely was trying to avoid him. What relationship did Hosty have with Bill Shelley and/or Roy Truly ? How were they connected with this group ? Truly turned the cops on to Oswald. Hosty told them he was a Communist. So many questions. What was going on there ?

Roger Craig claimed to have seen Oswald running down the hill next to the TSBD and get into a Rambler station wagon which then sped off down Elm street headed for Oak Cliff. His claim has seemed to be supported by other witnesses who observed the same thing. The witnesses who saw the driver described him as being Latin or dark-skinned. When Oswald was arrested, he was confronted with the fact that Craig saw him jump into a car and said, "that's Mrs. Paine's station wagon, don't involve her in this." ( or something to that effect ) Much has been said over the years about Mrs. Paine not owning a Rambler, that she owned a 55 Chevy wagon, thus implying that this was just another lie that Oswald told the authorities. I could never figure out why a Latin guy would be driving Ruth Paine's station wagon. So my question is this: Has anyone ever considered that Oswald was referring to another Mrs. Paine and not Ruth Paine ? Like maybe P-A-Y-N-E ? Because if he meant P-A-Y-N-E, this gets very interesting. You remember the guy who brought the two rifles into the TSBD two days before the assassination, Warren Caster, he testified that on the day of the assassination he was having lunch with Dr. Vernon V. Payne at the North Texas State University in Denton. Dr. Payne was the Chairman of the School of Business. This college was a hotbed for anti-Kennedy activity (students from this school were involved in the attack on Adlai Stevenson ) and at least one Latin student there was involved in a gun-running operation which trafficked stolen weapons from Fort Hood. These weapons were supposedly being stockpiled for a "second invasion of Cuba" the last week of November, 1963. Prior to the Bay of Pigs invasion, Castro was to be killed. I submit that prior to "the second invasion of Cuba", Kennedy was the target. I recently read an article on the "kennedysandking" website that claimed that the TSBD was the location where these stolen weapons were stored. If true, one can see how any gunman didn't have to take a rifle into that building or leave with one. But I digress. If anyone has any additional info on Payne or his wife please post it. Thanks.

I figure three possibilities: 1. Either someone was reloading this ammunition 2. someone else had a 6.5 rifle and this ammunition was in that rifle, or 3. the Depository rifle was fired BEFORE the assassination and these were the empty shells from that firing and CE 543 and 545 were loaded at different times as the last cartridge in the clip when fired. One more thing: I think I read some place that when the FBI interviewed Masen, he said that he had bought ten boxes of the copper-jacketed bullets, but he "couldn't remember" who he sold them to. It's amazing how guilt can effect the memory sometimes.

I remember hearing about that. Another valuable witness that has vanished into history.

The Shell Game by Gil Jesus (2021) (Author's note: This is a rewrite of a 2005 narrative that I did. It's been updated and edited for accuracy. ) INTRODUCTIONThe Warren Commission based its conclusion that three shots had been fired on the existence of the three shells found in the TSBD. (Commission Exhibits 543, 544 and 545) It reported that two of the cartridge cases had marks "produced by the chamber of Oswald's rifle", one which contained marks produced by the Carcano's magazine follower and the other had markings from the bolt of the Depository rifle (CE 139). Two cases had markings indicating that they had been loaded into a rifle at least twice. When the rifle was found, an unfired round was in the chamber, ejected when Capt. Fritz operated the bolt. This is an important detail when we examine evidence linking the rifle shells to the rifle.CE 543This cartridge (Commission Exhibit 543) had a dent on its lip which would have made it impossible for it to have contained a bullet prior to its being fired. Therefore, either one of two possibilities existed: either the shell received the dent prior to the shooting and was not connected to it (implying that it was planted at the scene -- evidence of a conspiracy) or the shell was in fact evidence and was dented somehow after its bullet had been spent. Faced with a mandate to dispel rumors of a conspiracy, the Commission at first assumed that this cartridge received its dent upon being ejected from the rifle and falling onto the floor. However, solid brass cartridges don't dent when they hit the floor, as any hunter will tell you. The FBI reported to the Commission that the dent was made during the firing sequence, WHILE THE BOLT WAS PULLED BACKWARD, after the shot had been fired. This seemed reasonable enough to the Commission to explain the existence of the dented lip, but on closer examination, the evidence does not support this conclusion. So where did the dent on the lip come from ? Did Oswald make the dent with a hammer after he fired the last shot ? The only sensible conclusion is that this shell was planted at the scene of the crime. And this may be the reason that the Dallas Police hesitated in sending this shell to the FBI for examination.The cartridge extractor and ejector markings of all the shells could not be matched to the Depository rifle. (CE 2968) https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/attachment/download/33 CE 543 did contain three sets of markings inconsistent with the markings produced by the Depository rifle, indicating that it had been loaded and ejected three times from a weapon other than CE 139. Secondly, CE 543 contained markings caused by the magazine follower of the Depository rifle. When the Carcano was tested by the FBI, it was found that the magazine follower marked only the last cartridge in the clip. The last cartridge in the clip of CE 139 when found on November 22nd was an unfired round. (CE 141)As previously mentioned, this cartridge remained in the possession of the Dallas Police until November 28th, five days after the other two shells had been turned over to the FBI for examination. It should be noted that a behind-the-scenes struggle for possession of the evidence existed between the DPD and the FBI. Capt. Fritz refused to release it, and Chief Curry backed him up. Only after Lyndon Johnson called Fritz and ordered him to do so ("You have your man, the investigation is over") did Chief Curry and Capt. Fritz finally agree to release it.Despite this agreement, the DPD did not give the FBI all of its evidence on November 23rd, withholding CE 543 and three of the four bullets removed from the body of Officer Tippit.As we shall see, this shell was not the only shell that contained marks from the Depository rifle's magazine follower. Nor was it the only shell that contained marks from a rifle other than CE 139.CE 544 & CE 545CE 544 had the markings of the firing chamber and from the firing pin of the CE 139 rifle, indicating that it had been fired by CE 139 at some point in time, and that it had been loaded into the firing chamber, fired and ejected through the bolt action. This is strong evidence that CE 544 contained a bullet that was fired from CE 139, although this not proof that the bullet was fired on November 22nd or for that matter, that it was Oswald who fired it. CE 544 had two sets of markings which were made from a rifle other than CE 139.CE 545 had the marking of the magazine follower, which marked only the last shell in the clip. So CE 545 had been loaded as the last shell in the clip and then unloaded by hand after the clip was removed. This had occurred some time prior to the assassination of JFK. CE 545 had two sets of markings which were made from a rifle other than CE 139.In other words, all three shells had been in another rifle and two of those shells had been the last shell in the clip of CE139. THE HUNT FOR RELOADSThe FBI interpreted the mystery markings on the shells as evidence that the shells held reloaded ammunition. So they canvassed the Dallas gunshops to find someone who was reloading copper jacketed ammo. Their search was unsuccessful, although they did find two gunshops which were selling reloads of "soft" ammunition, that is lead bullets without the metal jacket. One was the shop of John Thomas Masen and the other was the shop of Johnny Bringer. Both denied that they ever sold ammunition to Oswald, so the FBI dropped it. Why didn't the FBI ask them who was selling copper-jacketed ammo ? Where were they getting their brass from to load the reloads ? They were getting their used brass from somewhere. The FBI never even pursued it. There may have been a reason for that. This letter from the manufacturer, Winchester-Western, indicates that the production of the ammunition "immediately ceased after World War II and all rounds loaded became the property of our government or our allies". It goes on to say that, "this item was never offered for commercial or sporting purposes." https://jfkconspiracyforum.freeforums.net/attachment/download/34 In other words, you couldn't buy this ammunition. The only one who had it was the US Government.CONCLUSIONBoth CE 543 and CE 545 contained markings from the CE 139 magazine follower, which marked the last round in the clip. So both of these rounds were at some point the last round in the clip. We know that neither was the last shell in the clip when the rifle was found. So when were they the last shell ? Before or after the assassination ? Why would anyone physically remove these shells from their place in the bottom of the clip only to load them back in ? Why not just load cartridges on top of them ? Was this rifle, CE 139 fired before November 22, 1963 and that's when these shells were in the bottom of the clip ? The FBI never wanted to know.

I am aware of four people who warned JFK not to go to Dallas.1. Dallas resident Anne Brinkley ( wife of NBC newsman David Brinkley ) wrote a letter to Pierre Salinger, Kennedy's Press Secretary begging him not to let the President come to Dallas or someone was going to kill him. 2. Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas told Kennedy that Dallas was a dangerous place. "I wouldn't go there", he told JFK, " don't YOU go there."3. Dallas resident Stanley Marcus of the Neimann-Marcus chain felt so strongly about it that he flew to Washington for the sole purpose of warning JFK not to go to Dallas.4. UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had been attacked by a mob just a month earlier and warned the President to stay away from Dallas.So my question is this :How did all of these people know that Oswald was going to kill Kennedy ?

Talk about "Nut Country" Given before a very enthusiastic audience of over 5,000. A powerful call to evict the traitors from Washington. Includes detailed discussion of the betrayal of the anti-Communist Cubans during the Bay of Pigs invasion and the mysterious CIA radio station Radio Swan on Swan Island.Speech before the Dallas Indignation Committee; 1961, 62 minuteshttps://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1961/01/they-shall-not-go-unpunished/

Troy West was his name.

If Oswald had taken the paper to Irving on Thursday night and constructed the bag in the Paine's garage as the WC implied, he would have had to take the tape dispenser as well because the tape on the bag was dispensed through the dispenser. And THAT he could not have hidden from Frazier.

Sacking the "gunsack" By Gil Jesus ( 2021 ) "A handmade bag of wrapping paper and tape was found in the southeast corner of the sixth floor alongside the window from which the shots were fired." ( Warren Report, pg. 134 ) The Warren Commission concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald had constructed a paper gunsack from materials he obtained from the Texas School Book Depository and used that gunsack to bring his rifle into the building on the morning of November 22nd, 1963 with the intent of assassinating President John F. Kennedy. They came to that conclusion in spite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary. The visual The thing that strikes you right off the bat about this piece of evidence is the color. Most of it has been stained with a chemical using silver nitrate, but a small portion of it at the end is not. I would like to focus on this unstained part because the FBI claimed that they developed a left index finger print from one end of the bag and the right palm print at the other end of the bag using this chemical treatment. https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipONUSE1S3Cwo7c8CDt5LNQp31Ln9HYCGC7rDMlp So how did they develop the print at the untreated end ? Discovery on the 6th floor Let me start this fairy tale in the traditional sense, "Once Upon a Time there was a gunsack nobody saw in a place where it wasn't but was found by two different people." Commission Document 5, pg 128 indicates that the "gunsack" was found by Detective R.L. Studebaker in the southwest corner of the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository while dusting for fingerprints. But on the next page, the same document credits the discovery to Lt. J.C. Day, with TSBD Supervisor Roy Truly as a witness and states that "no one else viewed it."Somebody's not telling the truth here. As if that wasn't enough, a crime scene photograph of the corner where the "gunsack" was allegedly found (CE 729 ) shows no such thing. In fact, the Warren Commission had to outline where the bag was found. So if the Dallas Police had the presence of mind to photograph the shells under the window in position as found ( in situ ), why didn't they photograph the bag the same way ? In position as found ? Because it was never in that position and it was never found. Examination of the paper Following the assassination, James C. Cadigan, an FBI agent whose expertise was the examination of questionable documents, was asked to examine a brown paper bag that was allegedly found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, not far from the "sniper's nest". He also was asked to examine the tape on the bag. This bag would later become Commission Exhibit No. 142. In addition, he examined the samples of paper and tape that were taken from the mailroom of the TSBD by Dallas Police Lieutenant J.C. Day and Detective Studebaker and which Lt. Day gave to FBI agent Vincent Drain on the night of the assassination. This sample that Day took for comparison would become Commission Exhibit No. 677. It might be interesting to note that the paper used by the TSBD arrived on March 19, 1963 from the St. Regis Paper Mills of Jacksonville, Florida and that this shipment of paper was not completely used up until January of 1964. (Hearings, Vol. IV, p. 96) In other words, the paper that was in the building on November 22, 1963 and December 1st was from the same shipment. On December 1, 1963, the FBI took samples of the paper and tape from the TSBD mailroom and compared that sample (Exhibit # 364) to the paper gunsack and the sample taken on November 22nd. This is what they found: That the paper from gunsack matched the paper that Day said that he got from the TSBD shipping room. However, the FBI sample from the same TSBD shipping room 10 days later did not match either of the other two. (Hearings, Vol. IV, p. 94) Mr. DULLES. Do I understand correctly, though, you have testified that a sample taken 10 days later was different---or approximately 10 days later? Mr. CADIGAN. Yes. Mr. EISENBERG. Approximately 10 days. Mr. CADIGAN. Yes; this was a sample taken December 1. I could tell that it was different from this sample, 677, taken on the day of the assassination, and different from the bag, Exhibit 142. Armed with this information, the FBI started looking for a match for the paper and tape by checking places Oswald had worked in the past. They checked Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas and the William B. Reilly Company in New Orleans. ( 4 H 98 ) They also examined paper and tape that was in the home of Ruth Paine. They even went so far as to obtain paper and tape from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, where they alleged Oswald bought the rifle. For all their efforts, they were unable to find paper and tape that matched the paper and tape on the alleged gunsack. In fact, the ONLY paper and tape that matched the paper and tape found on the "gunsack" was the paper and tape that was in the shipping room of the Texas School Book Depository on the afternoon of November 22nd, 1963. In my opinion, taking into account that the crime scene photographs show no bag in the location where police said they found it and that who found it is questionable, this bag was made by the Dallas Police on the afternoon of the assassination in the shipping room of the Texas School Book Depository. Then they took a sample from the same rolls of paper and tape so it matched. Apparently, they didn't have the rifle present when they made the bag, so they ended up making it 2 inches too short. And the FBI found this out when they sent agents to make a replica bag on December 1st. They then tested the paper and tape on the replica and found out that it didn't match the bag or the sample taken by the DPD on November 22nd. The Dallas Police made this bag to connect the rifle to the building and thus Oswald. But what they didn't know was that they were using paper and tape that would connect it to the building on the afternoon of November 22nd TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHERS. The tape dispenser The TSBD had only one tape dispenser. FBI examined it and the tape. They found that the dispenser left unique marks on the tape as it went through. Because of this, they were able to identify the dispenser from the shipping room of the TSBD as the unit that dispensed the tape. There's no evidence that Oswald was ever working in the shipping room and there's no evidence that he took the dispenser home with him to construct the gunsack. Blanket fibers found inside the gunsack ? When Paul M. Stombaugh of the FBI Laboratory examined the paper bag, he found, on the inside, a single brown delustered viscose fiber and several light green cotton fibers. 'The blanket in which the rifle was stored was composed of brown and green cotton, viscose and woolen fibers'. The single brown viscose fiber found in the bag matched some of the brown viscose fibers from the blanket in all observable characteristics. The green cotton fibers found in the paper bag matched 'some of the green cotton fibers in the blanket "in all observable microscopic characteristics." Despite these matches, however, Stombaugh was unable to determine that the fibers which he found in the bag had come from the blanket, because other types of fibers present in the blanket were not found in the bag. The best he could come up with, because there were so few fibers in the bag, was that they could have come from the blanket. Or they could have been placed there. Oswald's fingerprint and palmprint found on bag Using a standard chemical method involving silver nitrates the FBI Laboratory developed a latent palmprint and latent fingerprint on the bag. (See app. X, p. 565.) . Sebastian F. Latona, supervisor of the FBI's Latent Fingerprint Section, identified these prints as the left index fingerprint and right palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald. The portion of the palm which was identified was the heel of the right palm, i.e., the area near the wrist, on the little finger side. These prints were examined independently by Ronald G. Wittmus of the FBI and by Arthur Mandella, a fingerprint expert with the New York City Police Department. Both concluded that the prints were the right palm and left index finger of Lee Oswald. Of course, to think anyone would carry a broken down rifle ( or ANY rifle, for that matter ) in this fashion is utter nonsense. Here is how he would have had to carry the gunsack if the prints on it are legit:So how did Oswald's prints get on the bag ? Well, either the story of his prints on the bag is a lie or they were forced on the bag by the Dallas Police during Oswald's "interrogation". I suggest that there were struggles in that interrogation room and they could have forced his hands on the bag. Before you start laughing at this theory, let me remind you that the police opted to NOT have a stenographer present nor to tape the interrogation. There was to be no evidence of what was going on in that room. And for anyone to think that any police department who had captured a suspect who they suspected of killing one of their own, would simply sit him down and ask questions is naive at best. Especially in the South in the 1960s. This guy was going to get an ass kicking, especially after the struggle in the Texas Theater. Make no mistake about it. As a footnote, it's been noted that the shirt he was wearing when he was arrested had no hole in the elbow. I believe that happened when they roughed him up during his interrogation. No other identifiable prints were found on the bag As if Oswald's shooting skills being better than the world's master riflemen wasn't enough, Oswald was able to fashion this homemade gunsack without leaving more than 1 fingerprint and a print of the heel of his right hand. This is another in a long list of Oswald's lifelong achievements and I'm surprised he isn't in the Guinness Book of World Records for all he accomplished. This is another of the Commission's lies and we know that because it is impossible to have constructed this piece of evidence with one's bare hands without leaving countless fingerprints. They simply lied about this to hide the fact that the Dallas Cops ( probably Studebaker's ) fingerprints were all over it. No one one could make this bag and not leave fingerprints. Not Oswald and not anyone else. Impossible. More evidence the "paper bag" was made on the afternoon of the assassination: it never contained a rifle. Evidence the "gunsack" never contained a rifle The FBI examined the "gunsack" to determine if it had carried the rifle. The examination was of the inside of the sack to see if there were marks or scratches in the paper caused by the rifle. The FBI expert on the subject was James Cadigan: Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Cadigan, did you notice when you looked at the bag whether there were, that is the bag found on the sixth floor, Exhibit 142 whether it had any bulges or unusual creases? Mr. CADIGAN. I was also requested at that time to examine the bag to determine if there were any significant markings or scratches or abrasions or anything by which it could be associated with the rifle, Commission Exhibit 139, that is, could I find any markings that I could tie to that rifle. Mr. EISENBEBG. Yes? Mr. CADIGAN. And I couldn’t find any such markings. (4 H 97) Cadigan added: There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument. (ibid.) Cadigan found no evidence that the "gunsack" had contained the rifle and while he testified that the absence of scratches was not proof that the rifle was not in the bag, he added the caveat that the rifle could have been wrapped in cloth. Which it certainly wasn't. So the rifle that was so sharp that it could pull fibers off of a blanket and so sharp that it could pull fibers off of a shirt that was in Oswald's dresser drawer at the time of the shooting, couldn't leave a scratch in paper. The rifle left no impression of itself, not a little hole, not even the tiniest little scratch on the bag. Since the rifle wasn't wrapped in anything, Cadigan's opinion simply stated was that this bag never contained a rifle. Conclusion I believe there's a lot of evidence here that points to this "gunsack" as having been constructed on the afternoon of the assassination. First, crime scene photographs prove that it wasn't where they said they found it. Second, two different officers said they found it. One claimed to have a witness and stated no one else saw it. Third, the type of prints taken from it are proof that Oswald never carried it. Fourth, there were not enough fibers to say they came from the blanket in the Paine garage. Fifth, there was no evidence that the rifle was ever inside it. Sixth, it was IMPOSSIBLE for anyone, Oswald or anyone else, to have constructed this bag without leaving fingerprints. Seventh, the paper and tape used to construct the bag matched the paper and tape that was on the shipping room table on the afternoon of November 22nd to the exclusion of all others.

You can cast reasonable doubt that if a shot was fired from the TSBD, it wasn't that rifle. That rifle was junk. Robert Frazier testified that the barrel was "roughened" due to corrosion and wear. His next words were an explanation of what happens when the barrel rusts and how one shot through that barrel removes all rust. He couldn't check the barrel for fouling because when he looked down the barrel he saw rust and he knew the rifle had not been fired in the previous 24 hours.

The "Smoking Gun" by Gil Jesus ( 2021 ) For nearly 60 years the public has been confused and purposely mislead by a systematic and continuous barrage of disinformation relating to the assassination of President Kennedy. This began with the Warren Commission, continued with the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and was continuously promoted with an endless stream of Oswald-did-it books and made-for-TV documentaries. Over the years numerous books were written about the life of Lee Harvey Oswald by his mother, his wife, and his brother--people who allegedly knew Oswald better than anyone. But these books in particular are filled with inaccuracies and were designed and promoted to fool and confuse the public about the life and background of Lee Harvey Oswald. 80% of the public believes that the assassination of President Kennedy was the result of a conspiracy and few believe that Oswald was the shooter. Many of these people have been hoping for a "smoking gun" to emerge that would solve the JFK mystery once and for all. The public's perception of a single "smoking gun" will probably never happen. But there is a "smoking gun" and there has always been a "smoking gun," right before our eyes, and for many years. This "smoking gun" does not have a magic bullet that will solve the JFK assassination with a single piece of evidence, a singular event, or a single witness. This "smoking gun" is more like a shotgun, with buckshot consisting of numerous unexplained, confusing, and misleading pieces of information that have never been properly or thoroughly investigated. By studying these very important details, and understanding their purpose and their meaning, you can piece this evidence together like a puzzle. What emerges is the proverbial "smoking gun." As the old saying goes, "the devil is in the details." Study these details, the minute details, again and again, and you most certainly learn and understand the subsequent coverup of the assassination. These "smoking guns" will not show us who was behind the assassination, but they will clearly show that the FBI deliberately manipulated crucial pieces of evidence and failed to conduct a thorough investigation. And they will show how the Warren Commission used FBI reports, testimony from FBI officials, and documentation acquired by the FBI in a blatant and deliberate attempt to "prove" that Oswald purchased and used the rifle to murder President Kennedy. They will show us the extent to which the Dallas Police went to frame an innocent man and how the FBI and Warren Commission covered it up. In the end you will know why Ruby killed Oswald: to prevent him from going to trial and exposing this fake evidence. Then the question becomes: if Oswald was guilty as charged, why would they have to fake the evidence ? One of the "smoking guns" in the assassination is, ironically, the rifle allegedly ordered and purchased thru the mail by Oswald. In this nine part series on the rifle, I've tried to expose the inconsistencies regarding this piece of "evidence". While there is so much more to this assassination story than I care go get into, my research has been over the years to examine the evidence against Oswald and it is there that I make a stand. Now, let's look at the details of the rifle carefully and find out how we were misled. In a normal investigation, you would produce as evidence only those things that support your charges. For example, in tracking the rifle one would produce only the documentation that includes the rifle or the carton it was in. But the Warren Commission produced shipping documents that did not include carton 3376, which included rifle C2766. As a result there is no record when carton number 3376 was removed from the Harborside Warehouse. It arrived at the Harborside on 10/25/60 and isn't seen again on record until it appears on Crescent Firearms invoice # 3178 dated 2/7/63. That invoice 3178 lists 10 cartons shipped to Klein's Sporting Goods, but only nine are actually checked off. The tenth, carton # 3376 is not checked off. The Commission produced 4 shipping documents showing 264 rifles were removed from Harborside but none of those documents listed the carton numbers that were taken. Without a reference to carton 3376, these documents are worthless as evidence and prove nothing. In addition, the FBI used an undated list of serial numbers to show carton 3376 contained a rifle bearing the serial number C2766. When tracking an object, an undated document is worthless as well. All of the rifles in the FBI's tracking are "38E". The 38E's were all 36" rifles. There is no evidence that any of these rifles was a 40" rifle. We now know of at least three 6.5 Mannlicher Carcanos with the serial number C2766. No one less than J. Edgar Hoover himself advised the Warren Commission that more than one rifle had the same serial number. As long as there was more than one rifle with the same serial number, the serial number as evidence becomes worthless as well. The money order in evidence was not stamped by any financial institution that handled it and never passed through the Federal Reserve System. The envelope containing the money order was mailed from a postal zone that was 3 zones away from the main post office and Oswald's place of employment at a time when Oswald was documented at work. Oswald must have left work, bought the money order, mailed it and returned to work unnoticed. But there is no evidence that Oswald left work to purchase and mail the money order. The FBI used a March 1963 monthly statement of a February 1963 Klein's deposit to "prove" that the money order was deposited by Klein's. But the VP of Klein's bank told the FBI that the "$21.45" item on the tape ( Waldman Exhibit 10 ) between the $15.08 and $14.36 items was an American Express Money Order. This is the same one the WC claimed was the "Hidell" postal money order. There is no evidence that this money order was ever actually deposited by Klein's. Part 3 of Oswald's Post Office Box application was destroyed in violation of Federal postal regulations. The FBI claimed to have checked the part 3 and no one other than Oswald was to receive mail at box 2915. This means that anything addressed to anyone other than Oswald, including "A.Hidell", would be returned to sender. There is no evidence that Oswald ever received the rifle. Postal forms ( delivery receipt, seller's statement ) required to be filled out for firearms sales were never filled out for the rifle sale. A "certificate of character" from a judge in the county where "Hidell" lived was also required for the purchase of the rifle. No such certificate exists. There were three different types of Mannllcher-Carcano rifles. There was a 42" Long Rifle, a 40.2" Short Rifle and a 36" Troop Special. The rifle "Hidell" allegedly ordered and the rifle they said was shipped was a 36" Troop Special. The rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was a 40.2" Short Rifle. There is no evidence that a 36" rifle was ordered and a 40" rifle was substituted in its stead. The WC experts comparing Oswald's handwriting used first and second generation COPIES, rather than original documents. The HSCA experts also used copies but explained the problems when not using originals. A document examiner's conclusion is correctly considered a professional opinion, not evidence. Without the original documents, there is no evidence to prove that Oswald's handwriting wasn't forged by a "cut and paste" method. In fact, the phony "Hidell" selective service card is an example of how much technology they had in this field. While we're on the subject of "cut and paste", let's look at the rifle in the "backyard photographs". If anything should give you pause on whether the "backyard photographs" are real or not, it's the sling mounts on the rifle. The sling mounts on the Depository rifle are not the same as the sling mounts on the rifle depicted in those photographs. Then there's the condition of the rifle itself. The FBI received the rifle the day after the assassination. They found that the barrel, firing pin and bolt of the Depository rifle had undisturbed rust, indicating that the rifle had not been fired in the recent past. They returned the rifle to Dallas. There is no evidence that the Depository Rifle was ever fired in Dealey Plaza. The mainstream media has historically been a co-conspirator in the ongoing character assassination of Oswald. For example, it's so-called "experts" viewed the partial fingerprints on the trigger guard and pieced them together to get a whole fingerprint. Then they matched the whole print to Oswald. But those of us who have done fingerprinting and examined fingerprints, we know that this is not the way it's done. You don't piece partials together. You examine each individual partial and compare it to the whole print. If you have 6 or more similarities, it's considered a match. Anything less is not a match. The more similarities, the stronger the case is for a match. It's like building a car using a door of a Dodge, the hood of a Chevy and the fender of a Ford and claiming it's a Cadillac. It's ridiculous. That's why when the FBI first got the rifle and examined the prints they said that there were no legible prints on the trigger guard. Not enough similarities to match Oswald's prints. Looking at all the evidence with regard to the rifle in detail, it's hard to imagine how any sane person would accept this garbage as evidence. It's harder to imagine that any prosecutor worth his salt would take this case forward. He'd be laughed out of court. Especially if he were reclaiming history. The rifle is only one of the "smoking guns" that tell us that Oswald was innocent. I could see them screwing one or two things up, but from the unfair police lineups, to the shirt fibers of a shirt Oswald wasn't wearing at the time of the shooting, to the paper gunsack that wasn't where they said it was, witness' statements being altered, witnesses threatened and intimidated, a magic bullet with no blood on it, piece after piece of evidence in this case proves that the whole thing was fake. The evidence itself IS the "smoking gun". If Oswald was as guilty as they said he was, why on earth would they go to such extremes ? That's why Ruby killed Oswald...to prevent him from going to trial and exposing this travesty of justice. And that's the story Ruby couldn't tell in Dallas. In the months ahead I'll be exposing some more of these "smoking guns" on this and other forums. The world needs to know the truth. Because there's only one truth and everything else is a lie.

I would think so. But i can't say for sure. There may be some on youtube or online for sale it would be interesting to check.

36 inch package with the scope mounted in house by Klein's. They claimed they never mounted scopes on the 40 inch. The ad says 40" with scope. It may have been a package, but not mounted. Buyer have your guy mount it. That's the way I read it.

EVIDENCE THAT THE SCOPE ON THE DEPOSITORY RIFLE WAS NOT MOUNTED BY KLEIN'S (Author's note: I apologize for not being able to post the photographs with this thread, but I'm limited to only 19.93kB ) As I've already shown in a previous segment, the ad that the Commission says Hidell/Oswald ordered his rifle from was for the 36 inch length MC that was offered with the scope. The Klein's employee who originated the idea of mounting a scope on the rifle was Mitchell Westra. He told the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) that during March 1963, Klein's only mounted the scope on the 36 inch MC. The man who actually mounted the scopes for Klein's was Bill Sharp, their in-house gunsmith. He confirmed to the HSCA what Westra told them: the March 1963 package deal with the scope was for the 36 inch MC ONLY. Confirmation that Klein's did not mount scopes on the 40" rifle came in the testimony of FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier, who told the Warren Commission that when the FBI ordered a duplicate rifle to the Depository rifle from Klein's, they had to tell them where to put the mount for the scope: Mr. FRAZIER. We contacted the firm, Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago, and asked them concerning this matter to provide us with a similar rifle mounted in the way in which they normally mount scopes of this type on these rifles, and forward the rifle to us for examination. In this connection, we did inform them that the scope should be in approximately this position on the frame of the weapon. Mr. EISENBERG. Pardon me, Mr. Frazier. When you say "this position," so that the record is clear could you-- Mr. FRAZIER. Oh, yes; in the position in which it now is, approximately three-eighths of an inch to the rear of the receiver ring. ( 3 H 396 ) The FBI had to tell Klein's where to mount the scope because Klein's normally did not mount scopes on these 40" rifles. FRIDAY THE FINALE: The Smoking Gun

Stone said something that was true. This murder changed how the government deals with leaders who want to make changes and the people who elect them. Bravo to Oliver Stone and Jim DiEugenio. I can't wait to see this presentation.

Maybe two different people were used to fake these photos, one right handed and the other left.