Cliff Varnell

I am outraged by the shoddy treatment of Peter Lemkin here, one of the most courageous

truth seekers I have known in the past 20+ years. Censorship of his thoughts signals intellectual

dishonesty of the those who control this forum, as well as a paucity of knowledge and intelligence.

This forum was initiated by John Simkin with hopes of making great progress in matters not

covered by mainstream media. It remained that way for a number of years, but has now become

a haven for malcontents banned at other forums. The inmates are now in charge of the nuthouse.

It is now a laughingstock.

When all truth seekers eventually abandon the sinking ship, who will be left for the naysayers and

namecallers to attack? Certainly they will not attack each other! They will have to find another

forum to wreck.

Jak

I agree with those who found Peter an inappropriate moderator.

But he's banished?

Bollocks!

Whatever offense he may have committed pales in comparison to the xxxx I've taken

around this joint for years without complaint (hi Craig) -- until now.

Tosh,

Do you recall what time it was when the Abort Team reassembled back at the plane?

Cliff not sure from my memory, but I think it was between 1 and 2pm. We waited for awhile for others but soon left after that. I can't remember for sure, however I think its on the record somewhere and has been posted on this forum a few years back... Perhaps Peter Lemkin might recall what I told him and Jim back in 1990.

Tosh, do you recall how soon you were aware of the Abort Team's attitude of disappointment?

Did you read their disappointment immediately, or did you gather than impression more slowly

during the flight back?

Tosh,

Do you recall what time it was when the Abort Team reassembled back at the plane?

Tom,

I find the Charles & DeMoh Show fascinating.

Every time I see a new post or article on the subject I'm always on alert for

possible heroin connections, as that is what I suspect the Russian and the

Haitian were up to.

Interesting that Czajkowski was a historian for Air America and his primary

Asian outpost was Laos.

Robert Livingston, M.D., who was a world authority on the human brain and an expert on wound ballistics, having supervised an emergency medical facility for injured Okinawans and Japanese prisoners of war during the Battle of Okinawa, told me that it was his conclusion that the bullet had fragmented, with part going down into the lung and the other upward, where it ruptured the tentorium.

Fragmented on what?

The trachea?

Did the tip of the lung cause the bullet to fragment?

The neck x-ray shows a clear front to back path with minor damage: bruised lung tip,

hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse process, and an airpocket. No bullet exit.

No round recovered.

Dr. Livinston is entitled to his opinions, he is not entitled to his own facts.

This is a very tough membrane that covers the cerebellum. He told me that, unless the tentorium had been ruptured, even the impact of two shots--one from behind, the other from in front--would not have been sufficient to disrupt the cerebellum. Since we have numerous, consistent report of cerebellum extruding from the wound, the tentorium had to have been ruptured.

There was a triangulation of fire for the head shots and no one missed.

Nothing in Livingston's analysis precludes three head shots. Because there was surgery to

the head pre-autopsy none of the head wound evidence is valid.

It was his opinion, therefore, that President Kennedy had been killed by the causal interaction of three shots: the shot to the throat, a fragment of which ruptured the tentroium, the shot to the back of his head (entering around the EOP), and the shot to his right temple, which was a frangible (or "exploding") bullet, which created shock waves through the brain that blew about half back and to the left with great force--which, of course, is inconsistent with the bulging blob to the right front seen in the Zapruder film. That was his take.

The amount of evidence he had to ignore in order to reach his throat wound conclusion

is impressive.

if it could get any more obvious I have no idea how

The critics don't know, but the little girl understands...

Rosemary Willis, a 10-year-old on 11/22, arguably the most important

witness in the case.

Did the critics eat their pork-n-beans?

They ate more chicken than any man's ever seen.

Hey hey...

"Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, 'and what is the use of a book,' thought Alice 'without pictures or conversation?'

So she was considering in her own mind (as well as she could, for the hot day made her feel very sleepy and stupid), whether the pleasure of making a daisy-chain would be worth the trouble of getting up and picking the daisies, when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her. "

L Carroll

if it could get any more obvious I have no idea how

The critics don't know, but the little girl understands...

Rosemary Willis, a 10-year-old on 11/22, arguably the most important

witness in the case.

(James H. Fetzer @ Feb 27 2010, 09:15 PM) *

Michael, Thanks for such a reasonable post. Jim Lewis does not have a lock on this kind of experiment, which could be performed repeatedly with junked cars, a high-velocity weapon, and a firing position of 200 yards. I cannot understand the incapacity to comprehend that (1) JFK has an entrance wound to his throat,

Always the place to start discussing the JFK assassination! But it isn't enough to point

out the obvious entrance in the throat; we must grasp the fact that the round did not

exit and no round was recovered.

(2) the trajectory from the south end of the Triple Underpass lines up perfectly;

It does? JFK was struck in the throat from the front circa Z190. At Z190 his

head was turned sharply to the right.

The round nicked the right side of his trachea, bruised the tip of his lung,

left a hairline fracture of his right T1 transverse process and an air pocket

overlaying C7 and T1.

This is inconsistent with a shot from the south knoll, to JFK's left.

It is consistent with a shot from Black Dog Man, who had "near

the region of his hands" a "very distinct straight-line feature."

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0006a.htm

Rosemary Willis described this individual as a "conspicuous" person

who managed to "disappear the next instant."

Willis 5 (Z202), taken by Phil Willis as a reflex action flinching from the

gunshot. BDM red box upper left corner.

Thanks to Don Roberdeau's analysis of the Zapruder film we can pinpoint

exactly when "the next instant" was -- right before Rosemary's swift

head-snap Z214-17.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394

Hmmm...conspicuous person with a distinct straight line feature near

the region of their hands who disappears about a second after JFK

was shot in the throat.

Hmmmm....if it could get any more obvious I have no idea how.

[quote

Thank you for your thoughts.

I realize that there is limited Hard evidence in the JFK case. The hardest evidence, to me, seems to be a fingerprint from the snipers nest, a picture of 3 tramps analysed by a respected forensic artist and the arrest of a man in the Dal-Tex building. Interesting that those pieces lead to thugs with ties to the Good Ole boys in Texas.

Malcolm (Mac) Wallace, was born in Mt Pleasant, TX in 1921. Accused and convicted murderer.

Charles Harrelson was born in Huntsville, Texas, in 1939. Accused and convicted murderer.

Charles Rogers was born in Texas in 1921. Served in Naval Intelligence. Accused of Murder.

Eugene Hale Brading. a known Mafia courier. in town to visit Texas oil billionaire HL Hunt.

And then there's David Atlee Phillips a/k/a Maurice Bishop CIA Oswald-handler, fingered by

his own family as a Dallas perp....out of Forth Worth, Texas.

The Dal-Tex building was owned by Clint Murchison, Sr. and H.L. Hunt. The cops

never searched it. It offered the best shooter position in the Plaza.

Perhaps they were really DPD or law enforcement and went toward where they thought shots were fired and then quickly corrected their movements to another location, or got cold feet and ran for protection.

Hmmm...Can't square that with Phil Willis getting angry with cops running from

the shooting positions.

I mean, how much suicidal bravery would have it required for average citizens

of Dallas to accuse guys dressed as cops of shooting Kennedy?

I was being a little "Devil's Advocate" there. If true that would prove conspiracy right? In Dallas in those days DPD could do no wrong. I know I was raised there in the forties, fifties. I went to juvenile hall when a Dallas cop caught me drinking out of a colored marked drinking fountain in a park on a hot August day. My dad had to come down and get me out. I was ten years old. It cost my father ten dollars to get me out. Sorry, I drifted off again.

That's why it makes sense to me that the shooters on the north knoll dressed

as cops -- who would have the guts to accuse a Dallas cop knowing full well

they wouldn't be believed?

And Jack White et al did a compelling study of Badgeman -- I chalk up the cop-disguised

shooter scenario as a very high likelihood.

Question: Also about the original flight plans back that changed and the mention of meeting-up with a former Eastern Pilot. Care to comment on that?

Answer: Yes. From what I remember the flight out of Dallas (no flight plan filed) was to originally fly back to Houston Texas where (I thought) I would go back to Florida on another flight and the DC-3 would be flown back to West Palm by an Eastern Airline pilot. I was told another flight out of Red Bird went to Wichita Falls, Texas near the AFB there.

Tosh, do you remember what time it was when the abort team reassembled

back at the plane?

Perhaps they were really DPD or law enforcement and went toward where they thought shots were fired and then quickly corrected their movements to another location, or got cold feet and ran for protection.

Hmmm...Can't square that with Phil Willis getting angry with cops running from

the shooting positions.

I mean, how much suicidal bravery would have it required for average citizens

of Dallas to accuse guys dressed as cops of shooting Kennedy?

If we are to speculate then lets speculate and argue till the next century on some of these thoughts. With all the possibilities established after years.., all the pros and cons and egos.. we are going to be here for a very very-- long long time. Tosh

Not me.

The more I look at the case the less of a mystery it becomes. Others report

the exact opposite experience studying the case, but that's probably because

they spend too much time studying the head wounds.

No, I've found that the witnesses tell us all we need to know, pretty much.

The witnesses, the Dealey Plaza films/photographs, and the properly prepared

contemporaneous documents answer all the key questions, as near as I can tell.

Especially this witness: Rosemary Willis.

From the HSCA report "Presence of Possible Gunman on Grassy Knoll"

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0006a.htm

Ms. Willis...gave no information on the direction or location of the shots, but stated

that her father became upset when the policemen in the area appeared to run away

from where he thought the shots came from; that is, they were running away from

the grassy knoll.

This is the typical nutteresque interpretation of Rosemary's comments, from

Wikipedia:

Rosemary was also documented in the HSCA report that her father, military veteran

Phillip Willis, became upset when the Dallas policemen, sheriffs, and detectives --who

first quickly ran onto the grassy knoll where he thought the shots came from-- then the

authorities ran away from the grassy knoll.

Bollocks!

Since when does any American -- much less a Texan like Phil Willis -- get angry

when the sheriff's posse rides out after the bad guys?

Seems to me like Rosemary and Phillip Willis saw guys dressed as cops immediately

leave their ambush positions.

What do you think, Tosh?

I believe Gator thought the man next to him was someway involved in the attempt on the President's life (Gator's POV) and stationed himself there as a possible person who only wanted to see the parade and to watch this persons movements.

Free Louis Witt!

The Umbrella Man takes a bad rap in my book. Here's Rosemary Willis to the HSCA:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0006a.htm

The Presence of Possible Gunman on the Grassy Knoll

Rosemary Willis...noticed two persons who looked "conspicuous." One was a man near

the curb holding an umbrella, who appeared to be more concerned with opening and closing

the umbrella than dropping to the ground like everyone else at the time of the shots. The

other was a person who was standing just behind the concrete wall down by the triple

underpass. That person appeared to "disappear the next instant."

Compare Rosemary's description of UM with Witt's description of his actions to

the HSCA:

"I think I went sort of maybe halfway up the grassy area (on the north side of Elm Street),

somewhere in that vicinity. I am pretty sure I sat down....(When the motorcade approached) I think I got up

and started fiddling with that umbrella trying to get it open, and at the same time I was walking forward,

walking toward the street....Whereas other people I understand saw the President shot and his movements;

I did not see this because of this thing (the umbrella) in front of me....My view of the car during that length

of time was blocked by the umbrella's being open."

Louis Witt has been accused of being a xxxx because he had his umbrella opened

as the limousine passed by.

But just because his umbrella was up in time to see JFK doesn't necessarily mean

he managed to locate JFK in time to see the President get hit in the throat. Witt wasn't

paying sufficient attention to JFK -- as per Rosemary Willis and Witt himself.

On another thread awhile back I commented on UM and DCM/Gator:

UM is a major rabbit hole, folks. DCM sat down next to him because DCM wasn't

sure if Witt was a civilian or a redundant signalman and was probably startled by

UM more than anything.

This isn't far from Tosh's view of the interaction between UM and DCM/Gator. After

reading Al Carrier's comments in Ron's article I've come around to Tosh's view on this.

Al Carrier, paraphrased by Ron Ecker: "[W]ould shooters need such a signaler?

Could not shooters more easily see for themselves, through their sights, whether more shots

were needed?"

Wouldn't the shooters have a spotter with binoculars alongside them, instead of a

signalman in the street?

Why would a signalman carry a radio that went unused during the shooting?

If UM and DCM were perps why would they stick around the crime scene?

In my view the actions of DCM/Gator are more consistent with what Tosh describes,

an abort-team member with a radio who latched on to the suspicious, "conspicuous"

(but innocuous) Louis Witt.

Thank You Cliff for taking the time to gather and post all the above. It is certainly food for thought and does seem to fit a common thread of the time.

You're welcome, Tosh. It's great to bounce this stuff to ya. There's more...Laos

was one end of the teeter-totter. The other end was Cuba...

I have been told many times that I, " flew the Attack Team in to assassinate the President". And I have been told in the manner that it was a FACT.. No it was speculation and opinion. I have ask why can't it be that a team was sent in by others in Washington that was not part of the group who wanted the President dead? I have ask many in the Pentagon and in MI about this and most all say they were aware of various people in government that hated the President and wanted him dead. Could it be that some of those launched an operation to kill the President and others in government tried to stop it at the very last minute?

Yes! But I'd speculate that the ones who tried to stop it only wanted to save it for

another day, and thus sought to "abort" the mission rather than expose it. If anything,

Oswald(s) was/were portable.

Here is a demonstration of the kind of pure power that can launch abort missions:

Max Hollands's The Assassination Tapes, pg 57:

At 6:55 p.m. Johnson has a ten minute meeting with Senator J. William Fulbright

and diplomat W. Averell Harriman to discuss possible foreign involvement in the

assassination, especially in light of the two-and-a-half-year sojourn of Lee Harvey

Oswald [in Russia]...Harriman, a U.S. ambassador to Moscow during WWII, is an

experienced interpreter of Soviet machinations and offers the president the

unanimous view of the U.S. government's top Kremlinologists. None of them

believe the Soviets have a hand in the assassination, despite the Oswald association.

Well, that certainly cleared that up -- dinnit?

JFK's body wasn't back in town a half hour before Harriman foreclosed

on any Soviet complicity in his murder -- in spite of a stream of

Oswald-as-Castro-agent "evidence" proliferating like an oil slick that

afternoon and evening.

How could Harriman responsibly rule out the Soviets unless he

actually knew who killed Kennedy?

We know that the Oswald-as-lone-nut "official story" emanated from

the White House Situation Room that afternoon:

From Vincent Salandria's "The Tale Told by Two Tapes":

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...art=#entry31073

(quote on)

In November of 1966, I read Theodore H. White's The Making of the President, 1964...

[O]n page 33 I read the following about the flight back to Washington, D.C. from Dallas:

On the flight the party learned that there was no conspiracy, learned of the

identity of Oswald and his arrest; and the President's mind turned to the

duties of consoling the stricken and guiding the quick.

...* The Situation Room of the White House first fingered Oswald as the

lone assassin when an innocent government, with so much evidence

in Dealey Plaza of conspiracy, would have been keeping all options open.

Therefore this premature birth of the single-assassin myth points to the

highest institutional structure of our warfare state as guilty of the crime

of killing Kennedy. Such a source does not take orders from the Mafia

nor from renegade elements. But such a source is routinely given to

using the Mafia and supposedly out-of-control renegade sources to do

its bidding.

* McGeorge Bundy was in charge of the Situation Room and was spending

that fateful afternoon receiving phone calls from President Johnson, who

was calling from Air Force One when the lone-assassin myth was

prematurely given birth. (Bishop, Jim, The Day Kennedy Was Shot,

New York & Funk Wagnalls, 1968), p. 154) McGeorge Bundy as the

quintessential WASP establishmentarian did not take his orders from the

Mafia and/or renegade elements.

(quote off)

Who did Bundy take orders from?

Joseph Trento, The Secret History of the CIA pgs 334-5:

Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York,

W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960,

President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate

“with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of

all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to [Pentagon aide

William R.] Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting

the president or the attorney general.”

The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security

team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments

secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor,

was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president.

He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the

White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.”

I'd speculate the blue-blood types who pushed the Oswald-lone-nut "official story"

the afternoon of 11/22/63 had a motive to keep Kennedy in power -- they were

already getting their way with him!

To wit: W. Averell Harriman was the architect of the overthrow of Diem.

Kennedy in his own words put Harriman at the front of "those in favor of the coup,"

the overthrow of the So. Vietnamese government and murder of Ngo Dinh Diem

and his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu on 11/1-2/63.

http://www.whitehousetapes.net/clips/1963_...nam_memoir.html

From Ira Wood's JFK Timeline:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono1.pdf

November 2, 1963.

(John Kenneth) Galbraith writes (W. Averell) Harriman, “The South Vietnam coup is another

feather in your cap. Do get me a list of all of the people who told us there was no alternative

to Diem.” A cautious Harriman tells his secretary, “File and don’t answer."

From David Talbot's Brothers, pg 217:

The Pentagon and CIA were taking secret steps to sabotage [JFK's Vietnam] troop

withdrawal plan. And even trusted advisors like Harriman, the Moscow-friendly

globe-trotting tycoon whom Kennedy thought he could rely on to broker a deal

on Vietnam, were brazenly undercutting his peace initiatives.

Harriman was conducting his own foreign policy in South East Asia. As Kennedy's

chief negotiator on the 1962 Geneva Accords he took a dovish approach and sought

total neutralization of Laos while the rest of the US foreign policy establishment

wanted to put in 60,000 US troops ("Ave's Cave" the hawks called it.)

But on Vietnam policy Harriman was a covert super-hawk.

Gareth Porter describes Harriman's machinations in detail in his great book,

The Perils of Dominance, in a section titled: The Hidden Struggle Over

Peace Diplomacy, pgs 153-64.

Debra Conway did a great presentation on this at the 2005 Lancer.

http://jfklancer.com/dallas05/ppt/conway/versions.ppt.htm

Here's a passage about Harriman's influence on SE Asia policy from an

article titled: "William Colby, the Hmong, and the CIA":

http://www.hmongnet.org/hmong-au/hmongcia.htm

(empahsis added)

American desire to adhere to the spirit of the [Laotian] Geneva Accords deemed it necessary

that the Hmong serve as a clandestine force which could harass the North Vietnamese without

being directly linked to the United States. The Hmong were prohibited from taking any offensive

actions as that could lead to an escalation in the war on the part of the North Vietnamese.

Increased fighting also had the potential to expose the American support of the Hmong and could

possibly lead to a complete annulment of the Geneva Accords. Colby - then CIA Deputy Director - was

instructed by Assistant Secretary W. Averell Harriman of the State Department to keep the effort in

Laos purely defensive in nature.

"'Okay, one hundred guns but no attacks, only for defense,' " Colby said of Harriman's orders.

Since Harriman gave orders to Lyndon Johnson, it shouldn't surprise us that

the Assistant Secretary of State gave orders to the deputy director of the CIA.

Why did Harriman personally seek a de-militarized Laos and a SVN

gov't friendly to American military ascendancy?

The former policy-- a low-level conflict in "neutral" Laos -- bucked the US foreign-policy/military

Establishment. The latter policy -- a covert sabotage of Kennedy's Vietnam peace

initiatives -- obviously bucked Kennedy.

Kernnedy wanted to get out of Vietnam. Harriman had his own agenda.

Maybe it had to do with those bright fields of Laotian opium poppy...

Anyway, its all speculations and perhaps will never be answered either way.

Got that right ...But this beats 99% of anything else discussed on the subject.

In which case it is likely that the contact man between the hit team and the blue-bloods

was none other than George H. W. Bush, who failed to get the correct details of the shooter

positions (or so I have the luxury of supposition).

Albeit a reasonable supposition. Quite.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/11/us/63-fb...ml?pagewanted=1

It was Yankees vs Cowboys in Dealey Plaza.

Bad day for the Yankees, eh, Tosh?

Tosh, I need to ask you a few questions and I hope you don't get angry because we like you on this forum. But there are things I wish to clear up.

What good is an assassination abort team that arrives minutes before the motorcade?

How were you going to find the shooters? How were you going to do that in that short time?

It sounds like a "half-assed" scheme to me.

Makes perfect sense to me considering the reasonable suspicion that the

faction of the US government most likely (in my view) to have ordered

the "abort team" was the same blue-blood group who ordered the cover-up.

In which case it is likely that the contact man between the hit team and the blue-bloods

was none other than George H. W. Bush, who failed to get the correct details of the shooter

positions (or so I have the luxury of supposition).

Bush sent bad info down the chain, it was a delicate operation because the blue-bloods

didn't want to expose the plot, only abort it and keep the assassination-plots as a

contingency plan.

Or so I'd reasonably speculate...fwiw...

I don't think you had ever been in Dealey Plaza before. In what way were you going to stop Kennedy (and Connally)'s execution?

If they'd been correctly placed on the north side of Elm around the picket fence

they could have stopped the head shot and throat shot.

I don't see how anyone stops the Dal-Tex back-shot/kill-shot. That building was owned

by HL Hunt and Clint Murchison, and it wasn't searched. That had to be the best shot

in the Plaza.

Other questions: Had you ever met Lee Harvey Oswald? Do you believe there were 2 Oswalds? Did you ever meet David Ferrie? Did you ever consider the possibility that you were flying the assassins themselves, with only minutes to spare? Something's not right. I hope you will answer these questions. I don't mean them in a mean-spirited way. I'm just not following your logic.

Kathy C

Tosh's account makes perfect sense to me, fwiw.

Please consider the attempts made to prevent JFK from going to Dallas. There was the

FBI teletype warning of "a revolutionary group" plotting to assassinate JFK in Dallas. There

had been plots scuttled or avoided in Chicago, Miami and Tampa in the weeks preceding

Dallas.

But most telling is this:

"We were getting all sorts of rumors that the President was going to be assassinated

in Dallas; there were no if's, and's, or but's about it."

That's a quote from Marty Underwood, interviewed by Vince Palamara.

Marty Underwood was the Democratic National Committee advance man in

Houston for Kennedy's trip to Texas.

Isn't it an interesting co-incidence that the town where rumors of Kennedy's

certain demise were the thickest is the same town where the local Republican

Party was run by none other than George H. W. Bush?

One view point might be a back throat shot

JFK was first struck in the throat circa Z190 and seized up paralyzed

by circa Z230.

He was looking hard to the right at Z190:

I plump for 3 head shots incl south-knoll/grassy knoll/west-TSBD6thfl... fwiw...

Excellent, Steve. But I feel the Assassination was helped the most not by tricky gadgets but by the limo stop. And they got him.

Kathleen C

The "tricky gadget" leads us to a Person of Interest.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwerbell.htm

I do not dispute the "soluble bullet" or "paralytic bullet" theories.

It's a bit more than a "theory," Jack. It was the preliminary conclusion

of the autopsists the night of the autopsy, before the cover-up completely

swept them up.

This preliminary conclusion by the prosectors is a matter of historical record.

From autopsy-attendee FBI SA Francis O'Neill's sworn affidavit for the HSCA:

(quote on)

Some discussion did occur concerning the disintegration of the bullet. A general

feeling existed that a soft-nosed bullet struck JFK. There was discussion concerning

the back wound that the bullet could have been a "plastic" type or an "Ice" [sic]

bullet, one which dissolves after contact.

(quote off)

From autopsy-attendee FBI SA James Sibert's sworn affidavit for the HSCA:

(quote on)

The doctors also discussed a possible deflection of the bullet in the body caused

by striking bone. Consideration was also given to a type of bullet which fragments

completely....Following discussion among the doctors relating to the back injury, I

left the autopsy room to call the FBI Laboratory and spoke with Agent Chuch [sic]

Killion. I asked if he could furnish any information regarding a type of bullet that

would almost completely fragmentize (sic).

(quote off)

This is not some pet theory spun off from the over-active imagination

of certain critics.

However, I do not believe there was a real Blackdogman.

Jack

What you, I, or anyone else for that matter believe about the assassination

is irrelevant.

Rosemary Willis described Black Dog Man as a "conspicuous" person who

happened to "disappear the next instant."

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0006a.htm

The HSCA analysis of Willis 5 identified a "very distinct straight-line feature" near the region

of BDM's hands.

The Z-film establishes Rosemary Willis' rapid head-snap (thank you Don Roberdeau!)

Z214-217.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394

This is all consistent with the testimony of Nellie Connally, Clint Hill, and Linda Willis

regarding JFK "grasping" or "clutching" his throat after the first strike, which of course

is consistent with what we see of JFK in the Z-film during that

time frame.

The neck x-ray shows a bruised lung tip, a hairline fracture of the right T1 transverse

process, and an air pocket. No exit, no bullet.

The Z-film shows JFK seizing up paralyzed in roughly two seconds, consistent with

known CIA testing.

You can believe what you want, Jack. The JFK assassination is a false mystery.

I have just reread A Deeper, Darker Truth by Donald Phillips which presents the work of Photonic expert Tom Wilson. In one chapter, Tom analysed an enlargement of Atlgens photograph #5. Tom Wilson's conclusion of the Dal-Tex second floor open window shows a man with a beard looking with his left eye through a device described as follows:

I believe it was an enlargement of Altgens 6 Wilson analyzed.

This is Altgens 5:

Altgens 6:

Altgens 6 corresponds to Z255. It's interesting that the shooter was still looking

through the device.

He hasn't fired yet, or fired in that instant.

Thank you, Jack. I have been able to find the phone number of the co-inventor , the CEO of Jet Energy, Inc and thought I might try call to learn of the devices history. Not sure he'll say much, but it worth a try.

Regards,

Steve

Interesting, and not the first time I've heard of bullets make of ice in Dallas - or of frozen mercury. The only minor problem is the date of the patent filing being 2001, but it could well have been used by the intelligence agencies or military prior and only recently filed for public patent. That you'd need to find out - if one can. I do, nonetheless, think it a very interesting find! Also, check for earlier similar patents.

This is not new, Peter. Hardly.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/New_Scans/flechette.txt

In 1975 the CIA performed a limited modified hang-out of this technology.

Most critics either laugh this off or use it to hang Louis Witt for treason and murder.

Rosemary Willis, along with the Willis 5 photo, indicts Black Dog Man as the first strike

(throat wound) shooter.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0006a.htm

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2394

Terrific work, Steve!

Humes, Boswell and Finck got it right the night of the autopsy: JFK was hit with

blood soluble rounds.

The Dal-Tex shot was the second shot. The first shot was from Black Dog Man

circa Z190 striking JFK in the throat with a paralytic.

The second shot was the kill shot, a toxin. They weren't aiming for JFK's head -- they

were aiming for his heart, missing a few inches to the right.

Close enough for government work.