Peter McGuire

http://americanrhetoric.com/speeches/tedso...8dnchopeful.htm "In this campaign, I will make no promises I cannot fulfill, pledge no spending we cannot afford, offer no posts to cronies you cannot trust, and propose no foreign commitment we should not keep. I will not shrink from opposing any party faction, any special interest group, or any major donor whose demands are contrary to the national interest. Nor will I shrink from calling myself a liberal, in the same sense that Franklin and Theodore Roosevelt, John and Robert Kennedy, and Harry Truman were liberals -- liberals who proved that government is not a necessary evil, but rather the best means of creating a healthier, more educated, and more prosperous America. " Great stuff from JFK's speechwriter Ted Sorenson.

This does not surprise me. If you read his non-SS writing , you will see this little weasel has always believed "Oswald did it" in that writing. I don't know about a limited hangout here, but I have seen this coming from day one. So unfortunate because what he has learned about what the SS did and didn't do stands. Judas , I mean Vince, how are those pieces of Gold? I mean silver, and thanks by the way for exposing the United States Secret Service of 1963 for what they did.

A viewer writes on Youtube: "The Acquila Clemmons interview says it all. Two guy including Oswald were involved in killing Tippit. But Acquila says the other guy did the killing, not Oswald. She then states she was threated to keep her mouth shut about it and was never called to testify. These two witnesses are describing two different guys. Im convinced that Malcom Wallace, a killer for LBJ, did the Book Depository shot with a Mouser rifle. His left little finger print was found there on cardboard. " http://youtube.com/watch?v=GjiOolyy_0I

Right on Mr. Kelly. This is another example of the double-speak we are supposed to believe. In this case Oswald did it but he was a loner. No. He was a low level intelligence operative who may have had something to do with it; and if the Lone Nutters insist he did the actual shooting, then there was a conspiracy and the killer ( according to the LN theory) was a government operative.

Relax folks- - the case is solved and we can all go home. http://youtube.com/watch?v=11Fl9ZVJ7B8 "I couldn't agree more with the people here who are saying that Hicks would have had alot to say about 9/11. He would have been so quick to spot the idiocy of the official version. He was so far ahead of his time in relation to so many of his observations about modern life. How anyone who actually has conducted any bit of outside reading, can believe the official version in relation to JFK AND 9/11 is such a sad indictment of what we as a race have become - 'You are free to do as I tell you'!!! " "He deserved death for being a funny comedian?? "

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In my e-mail discussion with Gary Mack last year he claimed that the observable drop of JFK's jacket in Dealey Plaza had no impact on the credibility of Posner's claim that the jacket (and shirt) were simultaneously elevated in the manner required by the single bullet theory. The position of the jacket had no impact on the position of the jacket, Gary? There is no use waiting for an answer from Mr. Mack or his proxies. Looking at this case has been amazing, to say the least for me , over the past few years. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, we continue to hear the same old tune--the bald faced lies that a third grader could see through. Simply amazing. Watch "No End in Sight" http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/no_end_in_sight.php and see why it is important to continue to oppose these people who lie to us.

Published in Athens Human Rights Festival, p. 8 (May 8 & 9, 1993). Oliver Stone's movie JFK has reawakened interest in the most traumatic political murder of our time--the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, on Nov. 22, 1963. That murder is still unsolved. The Warren Commission's conclusion that 24-year old Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, shot and killed President Kennedy from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was based on an inadequate and hurried investigation and never accepted by the American people, and is now completely rejected by almost all serious researchers of the assassination. The identity of the murderers of President Kennedy may never be known and the full truth of the assassination may never be uncovered. Over the years, however, there has been steady progress in the search for the truth about the murder of John F. Kennedy. Since the Warren Commission issued its final report in 1964, investigations of the assassination by governmental agencies as well as by private citizens have disclosed a number of important, documented facts unavailable to or overlooked by the Warren Commission. Many of these facts are downright odd. They seem as inexplicable as the assassination itself. Yet they help throw light on the violent death of our 35th president and thereby assist us to understand exactly what happened on Nov. 22, 1963, and why. The more the facts of the assassination are known, the greater the likelihood is that the mysteries surrounding America's crime of the century eventually will be cleared up. In order to contribute to the spread of knowledge about the slaying of President Kennedy, I am setting forth below 10 numbered paragraphs containing a small sampling of the numerous oddities concerning the Kennedy assassination. To dispel any doubts about the accuracy of my facts, I have included references to the reliable sources which confirm them. http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/...10oddities.html Never forget--the SBT is a non-starter. Move on!

What is with this mental instability thing for questioning the official line? http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=109403

It seems that Lancer it taking a politically correct position on this. I have wrote to them about the position they take without a a response from them. I never go to their site anymore and was quite frankly confused about the great write-up about the founder who never seemed to take a stand on what really happened. All work is for not if you do not come to the conclusion , without reservation , that the SBT never happened. It is a non-starter and as you say " FLAT OUT IMPOSSIBLE" period.

Thanks Dawn. I just ordered it; you convinced me to do it sooner than later. If you say it's a must read, I know I can count on that. And thanks to Peter for the heads-up that Kelin's book was available. The First Generation Critics as they've come to be known were a small but remarkable group of men and women. Gosh, that seems such a long time ago.... You are welcome. You can't keep your eye on everything and I sure learn a lot from you guys too. Amazon is an interesting place. Von Pein virtually lives there and will respond in minutes to a remark about one of his numerous reviews on Amazon about the Kennedy assassination. (Execution) The man even leaves his mark on paintings of Kennedy! 10 of 11 people found the following review helpful: At Last!, October 22, 2007 By Steven M. Martin (Golden, co USA) John Kelin's book, "Praise from a Future Generation," does what no other book on JFK's assassination has done before. For the first time, the story of those first brave few who dared challenge the official findings of the Warren Commission has been told. They were ordinary citizens: lawyers, housewives, reporters. Together, however, they managed to change they way an entire nation percieved those bloody days in November, 1963. Kelin's research is extraordinary, his storytelling equally skilled. Whether you see yourself as an expert on the Kennedy murder or just an interested novice, this book is a historical must! This unused bullet didn't kill anybody, nor was it fired from anybody.

Praise of a New Generation: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy and the First Generation Critics of the Warren Report (Hardcover) by John Kelin (Author) Amazon Review: November 23, 2007 By Nick Anez On November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. Several months later, the Warren Commission Report proclaimed that there was no conspiracy and that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. It is probable that this official document, designed to deliberately deceive the American people, would have succeeded in its objectives if not for the efforts of a small group of individuals who detected inconsistencies, improbabilities and unqualified lies in the report. These individuals eventually succeeded against impossible odds in exposing the most reprehensible hoax ever perpetuated upon the American public, a monumental deception that covered up the true facts about the murder of JFK. In this impeccably researched book, author John Kelin authenticates this first generation of critics and their unrelenting quest for justice. To discover the truth about the assassination, they waged an extraordinary battle against a gigantic bureacracy that was aided and abetted by the mass media. With courage and commitment, they battled powerful antagonists who had unlimited resources, all of which were used to ridicule and silence them. But they persevered and as a result of their groundbreaking efforts as well as those of their successors, the only people who still believe the Warren Report are those who are woefully ignorant of the facts that have been disclosed over the past four decades. But Mr. Kelin does more than record their indefatigable labors and the indisputable results of their investigations. He also delves into their personal lives, allowing readers to intimately know them and subsequently witness their human frailties along with their sacrifices. They emerge as fully three-dimensional people, average persons from different walks of life who shared an astonishing commitment to exposing the lies of the establishment. Mr. Kelin deserves credit for bringing long-overdue praise to these relatively unknown heroes, many of whom are no longer with us. Now, because of the author's equally admirable commitment to historical truth, they will forever be remembered. They live on in the present and future generations of critics who are determined to achieve justice for a slain president and to restore this nation's sense of honor. This is an important book that exposes the worst of America, as represented by the murderous conspirators, and the best of America, as represented by those noble critics whose endeavors symbolize profiles in courage. Future generations will praise not only these critics but Mr. Kelin as well. http://tinyurl.com/2mjut7 Documents show that Warren Commission member Congressman Gerald Ford pressed the panel to change its description of the wound and place it higher in Kennedy’s body. Ford wanted the wording changed to: “A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine.” The panel’s final version was: “A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine.” The arrow in the photograph below shows where the bullet had to pass through Kennedy in order to conform to the preposterous Single Bullet Theory, when the bullet actually entered Kennedy's back.

Thanks Don for your input. I am aware of some of the works you recommend and do believe there is a terrible smear campaign going on. I believe President Kennedy exercised great restraint when confronted with the military option and kept us out of war. The tapes of his performance during office show a lucid president performing his duties in office as good as anyone could expect. There is no reason to believe that he was an unfit president and should have been removed from office. But, there needs to be an excuse and this seems to be one that they intend to use.

Bill , that is my concern too. I think they are preparing the public since the truth will soon be known about Dealey Plaza. Then , they are going to need an excuse. The Military Industrial Complex one isn't going to hold.

Good quote , Bill. Prouty seemed to think that the "power source" was not only on the inside but much higher than the CIA. Now who could that be? When historians review the tapes of Kennedy in office they find a lucid president who , in my opinion saved us from WW3 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy's military advisors wanted him to attack Cuba and Cuba it was learned later had nuclear missles trained on the East Coast of the United States. Millions would have died. But Kennedy found another way, the embargo, and nuclear war was avoided. So , in my opinion, a case for an unfit president fails since Kennedy did an excellent job there and his restraint saved the world from nuclear war. However, what if this power source felt otherwise? During the first six months of his presidency, Kennedy's physicians "administered large doses of so many drugs that [Dr. Janet] Travell kept a `Medicine Administration Record'" [6b]. Many of the drugs Kennedy received affect thinking:cortisone [injected] Cortisol has profound psychological effects. At one extreme, "steroid psychosis" can result. At the other, a profound sensation of well-being can occur. In between, the effects are more difficult to characterize. cortisone [oral] lomotil For diarrhea. Contains anti-cholinergic compounds, which, in toxic doses, can make someone "mad as a hatter." paregoric For diarrhea. Contains opium. Mentation is probably unaffected if used in reasonable doses, but Kenndey was taking at least 3 medications for diarrhea, suggesting that doses were high. phenobarbital A classic "downer" testosterone Was Kennedy's "bull-like" libido a side effect of testosterone? Was his cholesterol level of 410? trasentine An anti-diarrhea medication. There is very little published about this drug. Side effects include giddiness and euphoria. Tuinal A mixture of secobarbital and amobarbital Kennedy used to help him sleep. Amobarbital is better known as Amytal, one of the more common "truth serum" drugs. amphetamines Post and Robins, writing in 1993, thought it was "highly suggestive" that Kennedy took amphetamines while President, but considered it unproven [16a]. The recent Atlantic article states definitively that Kennedy received injections of amphetamines and painkillers from "Dr. Feelgood," a.k.a. Max Jacobson [6b]. Kennedy dismissed concerns about the injections, saying, "I don't care if it's horse piss. It works." Jacobson's medical license was revoked in 1975. Previously, in 1969, all controlled substances in his possession were confiscated by the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs [16a]. It is thought that Kennedy was under the influence of amphetamines when he made his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech [16a]. To put things in a different light, if an officer in the U.S. Air Force were taking any one of these medications, he or she would not even be allowed to talk on the radio to aircraft as supervisor of flying. Kennedy, as commander-in-chief, was supervisor for the entire Air Force. Sources. Dallek, Robert. An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy 1917-1963. Boston: Little, Brown, 2003. ISBN 0-316-17238-3 @ Amazon http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g35.htm

Great. Now we can move on in this case and try to figure who the real shooters were, who was behind this conspiracy, and why JFK had to be killed. Now I have got a question: Governor Connelly was shot to pieces as he was hit three or four times by different bullets. Was this extremely poor marksmanship on the part of the assassins, or was the governor also a target?

Slack Tom. You're still calling it fact that Oswald was in the window on the east side of the TSBD on the 6th floor - yet there isn't one single 'fact' of any kind to support that as true - nothing at all. - lee Let's stop the nonsense once and for all; this bullet did not kill Kennedy. It wasn't fired by Oswald or anyone for that matter. Kennedy was hit in the back. The bullet intended to kill him was what the military calls a "short shot". Simply put, the bullet did not have sufficient power to kill its intended victim. Furthermore, no bullet went through the back of his neck and therefore, the SBT did not happen, so let's move on. The question that needs to be answered is why the Secret Service Agent's did NOTHING , once the shots rang out?

Well put, Bill. The inaction of the Secret Service during the shooting is there for us to see. The lack of preparation is well documented. What I would like to have answered is what DID the Secret Service do for Kennedy that day? What they did on other occasions is irrelevant.

Good point Bill. Otherwise we are stuck with endless speculation as to why Agents , as you can see in this picture who are obviously aware of the shots, did not move to protect the President. Or why Kellerman in the front passenger seat, as seen in this photo, or Clint Hill, who is also in this picture running immediately behind the president , didn't move until after the fatal shot. Hill can also been seen at times crouched on the rear of the presidential limousine. In this picture , it looks to my like the Queen Mary is right on top of the presidential limousine.

Nathaniel, I can only guess that the bandwidth limits were exceeded. Without being certain, it is likely the forum is permitted X amount of throughput per month, per contract, if this is exceeded then the excess typically has to be purchased. With the limit reached so close to a new month it may have been prudent to wait until the new months allocation. Else John S was not around to look into the problem. Gary's explanation is correct. Andy and myself have tried to persuade members to reduce the size of images posted, deleting early images, etc. but with no avail. Therefore, at the end of each month I have had to buy extra bandwidth. I thought by not doing this it might impose some discipline on members. If that amounts to a conspiracy, than that is what it was. Folks, start using Photobucket. It is easy to use. Then this will help with this problem and your photos will alway be there.

(And for the record: There is no mystery whatsoever regarding "how" JFK was killed. Our focus rightly should be on the "who" and "why" questions.) Charles Exactly Charles. Let's move on to the who and why already. I think we have been patient enough with the cognitively impaired. I just have one word for you folks: Photobucket Plus a question; anyone seen this document?

This was recently posted at http://eslcafe.com in response to the drawing of the path of the magic bullet. Is the height of the seats important to debunking the MBT. I would imagine he got his information at McAdams site.

Charles, in the photo I included in the post, or the video?