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17 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
Wiegman comes through with flying colors showing us the 2nd cameraman/film, his location
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TWO CAMERAMEN - TWO DIFFERENT FILMS - TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS
PROOF OF CONCEPT:
Besides the camera heights, a slight size difference of the foreground people(not including between the sprocket holes).
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or,
Imagine you're just to the
leftright and behind Shaneyfelt and cohort, as they film from the pedestal.
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its LOS(red lines) connection to the splices in the extant ZFilm at z133, z157 and z207.
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On 10/6/2021 at 9:33 AM, Chris Davidson said:
Which allows the removal of extra frames from an extant film or two, while allowing the limo to appear as if it is traveling a constant speed.
Wiegman comes through with flying colors showing us the 2nd cameraman/film, his location
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On 9/23/2021 at 9:53 AM, Chris Davidson said:
Webb determines the frame rate on Dec6, 1963.
Hoover document, a 33second zfilm on Jan 20, 1964.
33 x 16fps = 528 total frames
528 - 486 = 42 missing frames iteration
33 x 18.3 = 604 total frames
604 frames - 486 = 118 missing frames iteration(explain importance later)
Now that you know the method by which an 18.3fps original at certain spans becomes a 16fps version, just apply that to the total frame count of 604:
16/18.3 = .875 x 604 = 528.5 fames
604-528.5 = 75.5frames
75.5 - 42(see previous posting for that iteration) = 33.5frames
33.5frames = Myers increased speed of the Towner camera fps for his sync to work, which I have previously shown many times to be B.S. And, does not include the total missing Towner splice frames.
The WC/FBI knew the Z fps rate on Dec6 which is approx 1 1/2 months before Hoover's FBI letter.
They had a shooting sequence film that contained 33 x 18.3fps = 604frames approx
If you understand the 18.3/16fps conversion concept, you can move forward with more frame bracketing combos to arrive at the final destination.
Added on edit: I'm quite sure the Z frame rate was known well before Dec6, 1963. That's just the earliest documentation we have for it.
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21 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
Regardless of what it is ???, don't lose sight of the most important aspect.
The object in that frame, does not appear in any other publication, either film or magazine besides the original Life magazine published in Dec/1963.
This includes the SS/FBI copies, Groden copies,Oliver Stone(JFKfilm), MPI(supposedly the "Out of Camera" original), 35mm "Lost Bullet" and 3rd generation 6K "A Coup In Camelot" and many more.
Yet, that Life edition has it with/without the object.
There are now a very limited amount of choices to explain this.
Zero which are favorable to anti-alterationists.
My apologies to all.
I am wrong about the object in Life Magazine.
It is a printing hickey.
Looks like it was on the black plate/impression cylinder and eventually removed.
There was a choice for anti-alterationists and in this instance it is the correct explanation.
Here's a high-res enlargement of the images directly from both magazine versions if interested, the rosette CYMK pattern makes it readily apparent what the actual problem was.
Sorry about that.
Back to frame excisions.
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20 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
What total frame count did the WC use in their limo stop missing frames calculation?
Configured after the extant 313 shot:
z313-331 = 18 + 42 excised = 60
18/60frames = .3/1 ratio60frames/18frames = 3.3333/1 x 2.24mph = 7.4666mph
1 / 3.3333 = .3 =Keep1 remove 2.3333Whether or not they were going to remove the frames in a consistent pattern or not, the count in terms of frame bracketing was the same.
But, the consistent pattern was disqualified because of the stop itself.
Putting the above into an 18.3fps scenario just yields one more frame, hence my including a +1 (61-60)
61/18.3 = 3.333sec...
So, the average removal of frames(not in a consistent pattern) amounted to 2.33 from every 3.33 frames over a 61 frame span = 3.333seconds
2.33frames x 3.333 occurances(combo can vary) = 7.777frames removed = Bronson/Z mismatch sync.
And, if you didn't realize it by now:
18.3fps - 2.33fps = 16fps
What causes extra frame creation in the filming of a moving limo?
The slowing and stopping of said vehicle.
Which allows the removal of extra frames from an extant film or two, while allowing the limo to appear as if it is traveling a constant speed.
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On 9/17/2021 at 8:10 PM, Chris Davidson said:
Yet, the MPI version is touted as the original Zapruder film. They also say/state that specifically.
It wasn't on the 3rd generation National Archives edition scanned at 6K either.
Why?
Because none of these are original or close enough to the original.
I would encourage you to watch the MPI special below.
As stated in the program with the reproduction process covered in depth, there is absolutely no way the process would not have picked up the object, even though they claim the enlarged transparencies are created from the original Z "out of camera" film.
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Regardless of what it is ???, don't lose sight of the most important aspect.
The object in that frame, does not appear in any other publication, either film or magazine besides the original Life magazine published in Dec/1963.
This includes the SS/FBI copies, Groden copies,Oliver Stone(JFKfilm), MPI(supposedly the "Out of Camera" original), 35mm "Lost Bullet" and 3rd generation 6K "A Coup In Camelot" and many more.
Yet, that Life edition has it with/without the object.
There are now a very limited amount of choices to explain this.
Zero which are favorable to anti-alterationists.
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The WC took into account the speed of the limo prior to the excising.
Refer back to this posting:https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26525-unveiling-the-limo-stop/?do=findComment&comment=420270
When added to the backend extra distance of 11.1ft (see pyramid), and before the limo started speeding away after stopping, the distance is 18.3ft.
18.3ft/60frames = .305ft per frame
Breaking it down from extant z301-z331 = 30 frames/18.3ft = .61ft per frame = 7.59mph average
If you want to add the missing Z frames that would sync Bronson to Z over the 301-331 span, just add those 7.77 zframes previously posted to the equation above.
30 + 7.77 = 37.77/18.3ft = .4845ft per frame
Split that speed into TWO separate frame rates:
.305 + .18 = .485ft per frame total
You should be quite familiar with these two frame rates by now.
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What total frame count did the WC use in their limo stop missing frames calculation?
Configured after the extant 313 shot:
z313-331 = 18 + 42 excised = 60
18/60frames = .3/1 ratio60frames/18frames = 3.3333/1 x 2.24mph = 7.4666mph
1 / 3.3333 = .3 =Keep1 remove 2.3333Whether or not they were going to remove the frames in a consistent pattern or not, the count in terms of frame bracketing was the same.
But, the consistent pattern was disqualified because of the stop itself.
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1 hour ago, Chris Davidson said:
Work backwards from extant z352 to 11.1ft forward of the extant z313 shot.
The distance is 19.76ft.
19.76ft/41.2 frames = 5.97mph
5.97mph = 2.24 + 3.735mph- see CE884 combined speeds
zframe 331-352 = 21 frames
20.2+21 = 41.2 frames-
Every other frame removed or a composite of every other frame for that 21 frame span.
Between 41/42 frames should sound familiar if you've been following, because I just recently provided the WC testimony for you.
Fresh in your mind, now take what I provided in regards to Mark Tyler's frame x frame animation and you can readily see that an 11.1ft span forward of extant z313(see pyramid) added to his Wiegman span of where the limo stopped and the Wiegman/Z sync at extant z447, will give the speed difference of 3.735 mph which you can then refer back to CE884 data coinciding as part of the combined/composite speed from above.
Added on edit: Another example of what I refer to as "frame bracketing" for lack of a better description.
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27 minutes ago, John Butler said:
I can see how this works with the remaining film in the extant film. And, that's what you are trying to figure out is how many frames are missing from Z 133 to the end. Is there frames missing from Z 000 to Z 132?
My curiosity is how may frames did the Zapruder have in the original film. Zapruder said he did not stop filming. There is a film gap between Z 132 and Z 133. Z 133 does not seem to be a faded start up frame. The p. limo appears magically at Z 133 and the turn onto Elm is missed and what happened in front of the TSBD is also missing. So, frames are missing in this gap telling a different story. I estimated by crude methods 22 seconds. David Josephs and I am not sure if you agree estimated about 15 seconds for that gap. I am more comfortable using 15 seconds.
If one uses 18.3 fps, as many do, you come out with a higher number of frames.
33 seconds X 18.3 = 603.9 or 604 frames
15 seconds times 18.3 fps =274.5 or 275 frames.
604 frames plus 275 frames = 879 frames.
If there are frames missing from Z 000 to Z 132 then that could be added to the count.
Zapruder frames 879 - 604 frames at 33 seconds = 275 frames missing.
IMO, it doesn't matter whether it is 118 or 275 frames are missing. Either missing frame estimates indicate that considerable data is missing. Take as an example Z frame 157. That has several bad editing examples in it. They are replicated in later frames. This is something the editors wanted you to see. But, if there was one example that the Zapruder film editors didn't want to show such as a limo stop or extreme slow down? The results from either example is we get the wrong view and develop wrong conclusions about the film.
Right now, I'm only dealing with the time-span that resides within the Wiegman Dealy Plaza first 11 seconds footage.
I choose not to discuss the other missing parts of the extant films at this time.
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On 8/29/2021 at 9:05 AM, Chris Davidson said:
Work backwards from extant z352 to 11.1ft forward of the extant z313 shot.
The distance is 19.76ft.
19.76ft/41.2 frames = 5.97mph
5.97mph = 2.24 + 3.735mph- see CE884 combined speeds
zframe 331-352 = 21 frames
20.2+21 = 41.2 frames-
Every other frame removed or a composite of every other frame for that 21 frame span.
Between 41/42 frames should sound familiar if you've been following, because I just recently provided the WC testimony for you.
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7 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
Reconciling the 42 missing frames (+/- 1).
Besides the pyramid, we need to reference the CE884 data charts.
A brief reminder:
The pyramid was created piecing together individual elements supplied by government entities.
Same for the bogus CE884 data charts.
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On 8/29/2021 at 9:05 AM, Chris Davidson said:
Reconciling the 42 missing frames (+/- 1).
Besides the pyramid, we need to reference the CE884 data charts.
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Remember, the lamp-post was out near the curb back on Nov22,1963.
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Webb determines the frame rate on Dec6, 1963.
Hoover document, a 33second zfilm on Jan 20, 1964.
33 x 16fps = 528 total frames
528 - 486 = 42 missing frames iteration
33 x 18.3 = 604 total frames
604 frames - 486 = 118 missing frames iteration(explain importance later)
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On 9/18/2021 at 1:08 PM, Chris Davidson said:
btw,
If you want to know how to decipher it from the front end, use Myers: (+/- (1frame))
Wiegman 89 + 23.6(24/18.3)x18(313-331) = 112.6 - 79 (real Wiegman reaction) = 33.6 + Myers start at 246.4 = 280 + 7.77 missing(Bronson 3.8 + 3.97) = Wiegman start at 287.77
If you haven't figured out the missing Z frames yet in relationship to Wiegman's first 11 seconds of Dealy Plaza film, just take the difference between Myer's incorrect start at z246 and the equation above(+/- 1frame).
This should help you understand why the following is so important:
Mr. SHANEYFELT. The camera operates at a speed of 18.3 frames per second. So that in two and a quarter seconds it would run through about 42--41 to 42 frames.
Representative FORD. Then the firing of the rifle, repeat that again?
Mr. SHANEYFELT. As to the firing of the rifle we have been advised that the minimum time for getting off two successive well-aimed shots on the rifle is approximately two and a quarter seconds. That is the basis for using this 41 to 42 frames to establish two points in the film where two successive quick shots could have been fired.Hiding in plain sight!!!!
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Add Groden's version without the extant splices in it, to the list of non-flower frames.
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That's why I put the word "was" in bold text.
What are the odds that the frames beyond 313 are not in there?
Anyways, if you want examples of what is in there, magnify the thumbnails here:
And no, this website is not my source.
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The reason why figuring out the Wiegman/Bronson to Z sync's were so important.
Thanks and Credit to Tim Nicholson for the graphic.
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11 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:
I showed the Life edition that contains the flower frame. It is the earliest dated (12-14-1963) verifiable material I know of related to the extant zframe we are discussing.
No other source that I've seen contains the flower.
There are no sprocket holes included in the flower frame. If there were, I'm sure the obvious would be revealed.
I'm highly skeptical pertaining to this area.
Or,
You can seek out the remnants from the original curbline (red box between the sprocket hole area), rotate the frame that same 1.3° and run the original curb over the newly angled curbline to see how well they align. Quite nicely. imo
The MPI version will have the remnants at frames labeled # 333+334.
I only used one of the two for the following example.
Unveiling The Limo Stop
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
TWO CAMERAMEN - TWO DIFFERENT FILMS - TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS
PROOF OF CONCEPT:
The curb angle difference between the sprocket hole area and main frame = 1.3°