Myra Bronstein

Yes, he was set up by James McCord. Unless we're supposed to believe that it was McCord who was not very smart, indeed abysmally stupid. Ron, Do you have an opinion on what Watergate was essentially about?

No, I think that all participants on Hunt's level were smart enough and planned well enough ahead not to get themselves arrested at the scene like common tramps. Then, do you believe the third tramp was Chauncy Holt? ______________________ My-ra, Instead of trying to put words in Ron's mouth, why don't you just ask him who he thinks the third tramp was? Hmm? Yours, --Thomas ______________________ Thomas, Don't try to tell me how to word things. You should be focusing on composing your own posts so the research community can continue to benefit from such gems as these: "Bump" --May 1 2007 "Bump-a-ruskie" --May 1 2007 "bump-a roo...." May 1 2007 Ooo, I can hardly wait for your book.

It was also for sale to the public, for $500 or so. I remember seeing an ad for it, with a photo of Ford affixing his signature. It was the epitome of crassness, or like something out of The Onion or Mad Magazine. As for the title of this thread, I think Ford takes this shot from further down than the grave. You are so correct Ron. Excellent point.

No, I think that all participants on Hunt's level were smart enough and planned well enough ahead not to get themselves arrested at the scene like common tramps. Then, do you believe the third tramp was Chauncy Holt?

I know the photo and the figure you mean. It's a suspicious figure to say the least. So you don't think he was the third tramp Ron?

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stori...30/daily35.html Local publisher releases book by President Ford Nashville Business Journal - 5:32 PM CDT Thursday, May 3, 2007 FlatSigned Press, a Nashville publishing house and rare books distributor, has released a new book by the late President Gerald R. Ford: "A Presidential Legacy and The Warren Commission." In the publication, the former president speaks as the last surviving member of the legendary Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963. President Ford addresses the lingering questions and conspiracy theories surrounding the Kennedy assassination. He also provides an account of his own life and historical significance, as well as his views on modern politics. The book is available at bookstores nationwide. A limited number of leather-bound, numbered editions, autographed by President Ford, are available exclusively through the publisher.

(Link to video is here. I had to use explorer to view it.) http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=6468512 "Man captures President Kennedy on home movie by Maria Downey Thursday, May 4, 2007 ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- The Alaska Moving Image Preservation Association or has rooms full of historic films about Alaska. For a fee, it also transfers film to video or DVDs for clients, normally working home videos of family gatherings, or events. But recently those routine dubs turned extraordinary with the discovery of a film shot Nov. 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas. Michael Walsh works at AMPIA, spending his hours transferring memories from film to DVDs and tape. "98 Percent of that footage was of the family around Christmas trees out the front yard children's first steps," Walsh said. His days were fairly routine until just over a week ago. "It was remarkable and I can't imagine having another experience as an archivist," Walsh said. As he was transferring the Yeargan family's memories, footage of John F. Kennedy from that dark day in Dallas 43 years ago materialized. "Three minutes of it happens to be some of the Kennedy footage," Walsh said. I was thinking if I just saw what I think I saw; if it was actually real. I was sort of numb. And this running joke at AMPIA is every time I do a home movie transfer, "Did you get the grassy knoll? Did you get the Kennedy shot?'" The footage came from Bob Yeargan, 87, who took a break from work in Dallas to go see the president a few blocks away. "I had this radio so I could keep up with him and basically, I knew where he was at the time, so I was ready when he came by," Yeargan said. "I was just taking a picture of Kennedy passing by and I got what I wanted and I left. And that was it until I got in my car and heard what happened," Yeargan said. Back at his office, Yeargan was confronted by shock and confusion. He talked to one man who relayed his own account of the incident. "And so he was standing across the street where Kennedy was shot and he saw a piece of Kennedy's head fly off right at land his own feet so he said the man was dead right then," Yeargan said. Also on the video, the shot of the much talked about grassy knoll, where some say another shot may have been fired. But Yeargan's film was shot the day after. "They were going back over what happened exactly, everything. People were in shock, the whole city was in shock," Yeargan said. ..."

From what I've read so far, I think David Talbot's book "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years" is the most important book to address the assassination of JFK in years, mainly because it provides the propert approach, perspective, synopsis, deep background and overall big picture to the assassination that is necessary before resolving the crime. Discarding the Conspiracy Theorists vs. Lone Nut debate that has dominated the media, Talbot cuts a path that allows a third, independent force to enter the discussion, and the game, and make the political and legal moves necessary to determine the total truth, in our lifetime. Whether justice will follow is yet to be seen. But the Great Game isn't up until everyone is dead. ... BK Even the death of everyone involved will not negate the need for the truth about President Kennedy's murder. Determining and reporting the truth is a critical goal. Seeking and obtaining justice is another worthy goal, but a very separate one.

From what I've read so far, I think David Talbot's book "Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years" is the most important book to address the assassination of JFK in years, mainly because it provides the propert approach, perspective, synopsis, deep background and overall big picture to the assassination that is necessary before resolving the crime. Discarding the Conspiracy Theorists vs. Lone Nut debate that has dominated the media, Talbot cuts a path that allows a third, independent force to enter the discussion, and the game, and make the political and legal moves necessary to determine the total truth, in our lifetime. Whether justice will follow is yet to be seen. But the Great Game isn't up until everyone is dead. And that hasn't happened yet. Kiddoos to David Talbot for setting the stage for the next Act in the greatest political drama of our times. The best is yet to come. BK This is fantastic. A big thumbs up. I can't wait to read it, don't have a copy yet. BK, how much does Talbot focus on LBJ's complicity?

Count me in Larry. Ther word "incredible" springs to mind. Yes, so I take it back when I theorized that he lied via omission rather than commission. Saying he RSVP'd the assassination invitation with "unable to attend" is a whopper. So did he tell that whopper so his kids wouldn't hate him, or so the world wouldn't hate his kids, or so the world wouldn't hate him, or what?

I found this letter from Rob Anderson interesting: A magazine called The Spotlight - what we'd now call an alternative newsweekly - published in 1964 an interview with an anonymous female "operative" who had one hell of a story to tell. Her claim was the she, two other men and E. Howard Hunt arrived in Dallas early on the morning of November 22, 1963. On the way Hunt had told them they were one of three "shooter teams" who were going to "take down someone very important." When the team arrived at their hotel in Dallas to prepare, Hunt dropped the bomb: It was going to be the President. The woman freaked but showed no outward sign, lest she be killed. Not long afterwards she used her covert skills to slip away and into hiding. Hunt sued the magazine for libel and defamation of character. And he LOST, on both counts. Why this - absolute, incontrovertible proof of the conspiracy, in a court of law no less, three years before Garrison - has never been widely reported is simply mind-blowing. And the cheap shot at Garrison was silly. Much of what Bobby Kennedy suspected Garrison later proved in court. So how was he a fraud? This guy is mixed-up. This is a reference to Marita Lorenz and the lawsuit described in Plausible Denial. This lawsuit didn't heat up till many years after the shooting. The line about Garrison is also not quite right. Most everyone concluded Garrison was a bit of a fraud. He kept spouting about solving the crime and yet his description of the culprits kept changing. If Garrison was in the midst of the first investigation into the murder of the President and gradually learning that the entire gov't was conspiring to destroy him and his case then I think it would be more accurate to say that his list of suspects was evolving and expanding, rather than to dismiss him as a fraud. If you insist on labeling him a fraud then perhaps you could be specific about your charges. What did he say that was fraudulent?

James, you didn't tell us his name. Even if he wasn't the shooter we need the name, man. FWIW, I can't see how a US military sniper could be persuaded to kill his own President, regardless of which General or intelligence official told him to do it. It would need to be one who already harboured a pathological hatred for JFK. Corsican snipers still seem the most likely candidates, imo. Mark, If you have a spare couple of years , I suggest you look into Marc Krausse and his connections to Robert Emmett Johnson and Montreal. And Myra, the explosives aspect would have been a contingency plan. JFK was not going to survive that day come what may. ... James Thanks for the reply James. Are you basing your theory on information for which you can share a source, or just general knowledge of contingency planning for "Executive Action" scenarios?

What would the French explosives expert have done James?

This article has lots of details that are new to me. I now love Kevin Costner. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may20...conspirator.htm " Son Of JFK Conspirator Drops New Bombshell Revelations Costner was set to make documentary on Hunt's confession, before Miami mafia stepped in, E. Howard believed government had sabotaged his wife's plane Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, May 3, 2007 As the explosive revelation of E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession, in which the former CIA agent and Watergate conspirator admits that he was part of a CIA conspiracy to assassinate JFK, continues to rage across the Internet, the establishment media remains almost mute on what is undoubtedly one of the biggest stories of the decade. Saint John Hunt, E. Howard Hunt's oldest son, joined Alex Jones yesterday to drop new bombshells about his father's story. Click here to listen. ... E. Howard Hunt names numerous individuals with both direct and indirect CIA connections as having played a role in the assassination of Kennedy, while describing himself as a "bench warmer" in the plot. Saint John Hunt agreed that the use of this term indicates that Hunt was willing to play a larger role in the murder conspiracy had he been required, but was primarily used in an oversight role. Hunt alleges on the tape that then Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in the planning of the assassination and in the cover-up, stating that LBJ, "Had an almost maniacal urge to become president, he regarded JFK as an obstacle to achieving that." In the Alex Jones Show interview, Hunt reveals how Kevin Costner, star of the JFK movie, had shared a mutual friend with E. Howard Hunt and had subsequently visited Hunt in Miami in the interests of producing a documentary film based on Hunt's knowledge of the plot. "Kevin Costner flies down and is introduced to my father by this mutual friend and Kevin just blurted out, 'so who killed JFK'? My father's jaw dropped and he turned around and looked at his wife and said, 'what did he say'?" "So the whole thing just kind of blew up in its face and that was the end of that," said Hunt. Hunt said that Costner had become "somewhat of a conspiracy enthusiast" after having made the JFK movie and was very interested in starting a project based on E. Howard Hunt's revelations. "What my father devised was a code and a key to give Mr. Costner the relevant information without naming the names," said Hunt, "He listed out a chain of command and a timeline series of events and things that took place along with the most important players in the plot." Costner considered the information to be "dynamite stuff," but elements of the "Miami mafia" derailed the project and the documentary never got off the ground. Saint John Hunt also revealed for the first time that E. Howard Hunt thought that the Chicago plane crash that killed his wife in 1972 was not an accident. Investigators discovered at least $10,000 dollars in Dorothy Hunt's luggage, money that Saint John Hunt alleges was Nixon campaign funds used to payoff the families of the Watergate burglars to keep them quiet about the involvement of the Nixon White House in the Watergate break-in and cover-up. "Later on in his life at one of these bedside confessions....tears started welling up in his eyes and he said, 'you know Saint I was so deeply concerned that what they did to your mother they could have done to you children' and that caused the hair on my neck to stand up - that was the first disclosure from my father that he thought there was something else going on besides sheer pilot error," said Hunt. Eyewitnesses reported that the plane exploded above treetop level before it had even hit the runway. Hunt said that "at least 20-25 FBI members," as well as numerous DIA agents were at the scene of the crash within minutes before rescue personnel had even arrived, and that this fact was attested to in a letter sent by the head of the Chicago FBI to investigator Sherman Skolnick. Hunt cited numerous coincidences surrounding the aftermath of the crash, including Nixon's appointment of his henchman, Egil Krough, to the National Transportation Safety Board which investigates plane crashes, the very day after the incident. ... Asked why Hunt became a willing conspirator in the plot to murder JFK, Hunt responded,"Within intelligence circles, he felt that it was an imperative situation that President Kennedy not be allowed to serve in that office for any longer because there was a lot of crucial things coming down, there was the Vietnam war, there was also the anger and the threats Kennedy had made to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces." Hunt also said that his father eventually desired to become the director of the CIA and Kennedy was a direct obstacle to that goal. Hunt concluded by agreeing that his father's legacy was that of a patriotic American who was manipulated and twisted by people like LBJ and Nixon, later to be deserted and have his family torn apart by these same criminals. E. Howard Hunt finally redeemed himself shortly before his death by blowing the whistle on the JFK murder plot, but now there is a fresh attempt to bury this information on behalf of the compromised and cowardly establishment media, who have afforded this bombshell story almost no attention at all while lavishly devoting coverage to the mindlessness of Britney Spears' comeback and radio host Don Imus' off-hand comments. Once again the responsibility lies with alternative media and the Internet to make sure E. Howard Hunt's story is heard."

I'm guessing the Sixth Floor Museum is behind the first floor facade. ... Even the floor is a lie.

I'd love to brace myself Douglas. Do you really think Hunt's quasi-confession is that significant? Especially given that he still denied his own involvement, which is not credible. Why would he deny his own involvement from the grave? To protect his kids?

I typically don't believe anything a CIA type says since they're professional murderers and liars. But if I make an exception and believe anything Hunt said I'd believe that he made lies of omission rather than commission, and gave genuine names but withheld other guilty names like Dulles, Cabell, etc.

Myra: I totally agree. I have the book on order but it now won't arrive til next week. Seems to me Bobby and Garrison were both on the same trail. Of course I also think the LBJ stuff is true, that he was in on it. Dawn Definitely Dawn. LBJ's legal problems dictated the timing of the assassination. Without a doubt.

And the rag is giving as much space as possible to the subject, actually interviewing the reviewer of Bugliosi's tome: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200705u/kennedy-assassination "... Q>Leaving aside one’s ultimate reading of the assassination, it seems to me that there are a lot of coincidences and strange factors at play, a perfect storm of politics, crime, socioeconomics and psychology, both group and individual. What do you think about this? A>There are coincidences in the assassination for the same reason that there are coincidences in life. The vast, vast, vast majority of what may look like contradictions, ironies, mysteries—the vast majority of them are explicable. I think that is a real strength of Bugliosi’s book. Whatever you think of the scale of it, he does set out to provide factual explanations of things. You can’t explain everything, and if you could, something would be wrong. It would be too neat. But one of the things that I think is true about the real and conspiratorial mind is that when somebody’s really got it bad, and is a really heavy-duty conspiracy theorist, they tend to believe that the plot was hatched farther and farther back and farther and farther away from Dallas. They think you have to go all the way back to the 1940s, or that it has its real roots in something that took place over in Europe. And I think that’s a mark of the conspiracist inclination, to go ever farther away geographically and temporally." Is he on message or what?

I am curious about how much attention LBJ's role gets. It just can't, credibly, be denied.

Oh yeah, definitely check out Salon. Media/Author events here: http://www.salon.com/books/authors/talbot/about/events.html Monday May 7 CBS Early Show Leonard Lopate Show, WNYC AM/FM in New York Charlie Rose Show, PBS/TV -- check listings for local airtimes. Tuesday May 8 Fresh Air With Terry Gross, NPR -- check listings for local airtimes. Howie Carr Show, WRKO/AM in Boston, 4 to 5 p.m. Author appearance: Brookline Booksmith, 279 Harvard St., Brookline, Mass., 7 p.m. Wednesday May 9 Author appearance: Books & Books, 265 Aragon Ave., Coral Gables, Fla., 6:30 p.m. Thursday May 10 South Florida Today, NBC 6, WTVJ-TV in Miami, 10 to 10:30 a.m. Author appearance: Olsson's Books, 2111 Wilson Blvd., Arlington Va., 7 p.m. Monday May 14 Author appearance: Borders Books & Music, 10720 Preston Rd., Dallas, Texas, 7 p.m. Tuesday May 15 Extension 720 With Milt Rosenberg, WGN Radio 720 in Chicago, 9 to 11 p.m. Monday May 21 Tavis Smiley Show, PBS/TV -- check listings for local airtimes. Tuesday May 22 The Pete Wilson Show, KGO/AM 810, 3 to 4 p.m. Author appearance: Book Passage, 1 Ferry Building, San Francisco, Calif., 7 p.m. Wednesday, May 23 Author appearance: Cody's Books, 1730 Fourth Street, Berkeley, Calif., 7 p.m. Wednesday, May 30 Author appearance: Powell's Books, Cedar Hills Crossing, Beaverton, Ore., 7 p.m. Thursday, May 31 Author appearance: Elliott Bay Book Co., 101 S. Main St., Seattle, Wash., 7:30 p.m. Excerpt here: http://www.salon.com/books/authors/talbot/about/excerpt.html From Chapter 1.

"In 1967, Sheridan went to New Orleans to check into the Jim Garrison investigation, to see whether the flamboyant prosecutor really had cracked the JFK case. (Sheridan was working as an NBC news producer at the time, but he reported back to RFK, telling him that Garrison was a fraud.)" http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05...ers/index1.html Well that explains why Bobby and Sheridan wouldn't cooperate with Garrison. But why on earth would they think he was a fraud? I hope Talbot explains that in his book. They were flat out wrong. I wonder what Talbot thinks of Garrison and his investigation...

I knew Talbot wouldn't let us down. And between this, a major book by a high profile author, and Howard Hunt's "confessions" (in spite of the fact that he was a professional xxxx) there is quite a bit of material for Establishment boy Bugliosi to refute. Of course he'll get the red carpet media tour and all the sound bites on the "news." On edit: Ya all may want to stroll over to Salon to see Talbot's companion article and blog... http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05...ource=whitelist http://www.salon.com/books/authors/talbot/index.html Salon is a damn good site to have on board. They have a lot of credibility.

I wouldn't rule that out with the likes of Greer and Kellerman. FWIW I consider the Z-film totally unreliable. I think Time-Life had it for too long to trust it, and trying to make forensic sense of it can only cause confusion. Plus, as you noted Gil, it does not show the right rear of the head exploding as everyone at Parkland described, it shows the right front opening up like a trap door. I assume there were many alterations made for many reasons, and altering the head wound to match the altered autopsy photo is one reason. This film would never be admissible in court what with the fractured chain of possession. Almost nothing we have to work with would be admissible for the same reason. One thing that does confuse me about the Z-film though is that I've heard that Robert Groden got a first generation copy. Is that true? If so: why didn't we see it before Time-Life released it? And why don't we see different versions (one altered and one not)? When Groden showed it for the first time on TV on Geraldo, was it supposedly his own first generation copy or a Time-Life copy? Myra, On Groden's "Assassination Films II" DVD, there is a copy of the Z film with no splices, which Groden says was made before Time/Life damaged it. The difference is the 2 splices. chris Thank you Chris.

I wouldn't rule that out with the likes of Greer and Kellerman. FWIW I consider the Z-film totally unreliable. I think Time-Life had it for too long to trust it, and trying to make forensic sense of it can only cause confusion. Plus, as you noted Gil, it does not show the right rear of the head exploding as everyone at Parkland described, it shows the right front opening up like a trap door. I assume there were many alterations made for many reasons, and altering the head wound to match the altered autopsy photo is one reason. This film would never be admissible in court what with the fractured chain of possession. Almost nothing we have to work with would be admissible for the same reason. One thing that does confuse me about the Z-film though is that I've heard that Robert Groden got a first generation copy. Is that true? If so: why didn't we see it before Time-Life released it? And why don't we see different versions (one altered and one not)? When Groden showed it for the first time on TV on Geraldo, was it supposedly his own first generation copy or a Time-Life copy?