Duane Daman

Kevin ... I didn't get anything backwards .... According to Parkes , in some of their other articles besides this one , if Neil had stuck wih the original scheduled nap , they would have missed out on broadcasting the EVA because the moon would have been out of position... but because he decided to forego the original schedule , they were able to broadcast the EVA .... As it was , it allegedly took the astronots so long to suit up that they almost missed the broadcast anyway ... Of course little did they know , that it wouldn't have mattered what position the moon was in because the TV signal didn't come FROM the moon , but was instead, bounced OFF of the moon ... and in that case the position of the moon wouldn't have mattered in the least .. Steve ... If you were the first man to walk on the moon , wouldn't the entire experience be cemented in your memory forever ? .... Why would Neil now be claiming that they took their scheduled nap if they really hadn't ? ... He went into quite some detail about this nap in his book ... He said they went with the schedule but they were too excited to sleep ... I think he said that Buzz wanted to forego it , but as commader of the mission he decided to stick to the original plan ...He didn't "goof" ... he just didn't remember that another version of this story had already been floating around for years by Parkes ... I guess he and his ghost writers should have been paying more attention and done some research into the the original version of this particular nasa fairy tale .... Kevin ... I didn't copy this information off of a conspiracy site , I read the two chapters pertaining to the moon landing fantasy in Neil's book , in Barnes and Noble one afternoon ... The book is quite interesting , not only in the fact that Neil couldn't get his story straight after all these years , but also that the book , which I believe had thirty some odd chapters , only devoted two of those chapters to the alleged moon landing ... and they were short chapters at that ... Mostly repeating the alleged conversations between Neil and Buzz while not napping and waiting to go out onto the lunar surface and then during their alleged EVA on the moon . First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong the Hanson biography is the book where Neil made his "goof" .

No wonder I missed Lamson's opinion about the missing buggy tracks the first time around ... It's the same exact lame explanation as Kevin's is ... Do you boys all copy the same misinformation from Bad Astronomy , or do you find this stupidity on clavius also ? I don't know why the tracks are not there , as I was not on the moon set at the time , or taking the moon set photos . It could have been dropped in by a crane , like the LM's were ... Or the photographer in charge of placing the tracks in these particular photos , simply forgot to put them in the picture ... Or they could have been left out on purpose by one of the whistle blowers and quality control missed the fact that they were missing . It could be any of these reasons or possibly others ... but the bottom line is this ...The buggy tire tracks are NOT in these photos ... and no lame excuses or explanations that any of you manage to come with is going to change that fact .

Evan .... Thanks once again for your lenghty explanations but I have read all of this information before and I was just as unimpressed with it the first time I read it ... nasa can and does make extraordinary technical claims , and you can and do continue to post them here .... but as I have posted to you repeatedly now , without any OUTSIDE CORRORBORATION of these alleged technical claims and achievements , all we really have is nasa's word that they managed to sucessfully fly this technology to the moon six times without any serious or life threatening problems . Oh , and Bad Astronomy and clavius don't qualify as outside sources , as both web sites are directly connected to nasa with a particular agenda ... and we all know what that agenda is , don't we ? .. If you know of any outside sources , not connected with nasa in any respect , who are able to verify their Apollo technology and extraordinary claims of landing six manned missions on the moon , then please post it here .

Sorry straydog- That Parkes Observatory story was debunked years ago, personally by someone who was there - but I won't even bother to show you - I'm sure you'd just claim the person was lying - just as you accuse anyone who dosen't buy into your rantings. {edit to add} Sorry – trying to discuss this with a blank wall has inflected brain damage – the person I am speaking about was at Honeysuckle Creek, not Parkes. He does however, know the above story is as fake as everything else Duane posts about Apollo. Steve ... Regardless of your admitted brain damage , you might want to read the story of the Parkes Observatory , their proud connection with Apollo , and their claims of when the broadcast of the Apollo 11 EVA took place , before you decide to spread any more of your typical disinformation ... Not to mention your typical insults to me ... I am not the one posting false information here about Apollo ... I do believe that is the job of the Bad Astronomy boys . Here's the famous Parkes story which is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO ARMSTRONG'S STORY .... So is everyone at Parkes lying now becasue Neil changed the EVA timeline story ? ... Or did maybe Neil not realize that his story and theirs didn't quite match ? ....Oops again !!! ( did I spell it right this time Matt ? ) ............................................................................. Parkes and Apollo 11: receiving the moon walk In July 1969, the Parkes Observatory claimed a place in history, when they received television transmissions of man's first steps on the moon. The Moon walk CSIRO staff involved More information In 1968, the Director of the Parkes Observatory, John Bolton, insisted on a one-line contract with NASA: 'The [CSIRO] Radiophysics Division would agree to support the Apollo 11 mission.' At 12.56 pm on Monday 21 July 1969 Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST), one giant leap for mankind was taken. CSIRO’s Parkes radio telescope received television signals that allowed six hundred million people, one fifth of humanity at the time, to watch Neil Armstrong's first steps on the Moon. The Moon walk CSIRO’s Parkes radio telescope received television signals that allowed six hundred million people to watch Neil Armstrong's first steps on the Moon. A few hours earlier, at 6.17 am (AEST) on 21 July 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin landed their Lunar Module, Eagle, on the Moon at the Sea of Tranquillity. It was still some seven hours before the Moon would have risen high enough to be seen from Parkes. The schedule required the astronauts to rest before attempting the 'Moon walk' or extra vehicular activity (EVA), by which time the Moon would have been high overhead at Parkes. HOWEVER ARMSTRONG DEPARTED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN , OPTING FOR AN IMMEDIATE EVA INSTEAD . ( * A complete contradiction to his claims of their nap time in his recent autobiography ) To the astronomers at Parkes, it looked as though the EVA would be all over before the Moon rose over Parkes' horizon. However, it took the astronauts a long time for the astronauts to don their spacesuits and depressurise the lunar module cabin, so that when they left the module the Moon was just rising over Parkes. When it seemed that Parkes would get the signals after all, trouble suddenly loomed. While fully tipped over waiting for the Moon to rise, the telescope was struck by a series of severe, 110 km per hour gusts of wind, which made the control room shudder. The telescope was slammed back against its zenith axis gears, a dangerous situation that threatened the integrity of the telescope structure. Fortunately the winds abated and Buzz Aldrin activated the TV camera just as the Moon rose into the telescope's field of view. The Parkes radio telescope began tracking. Using a less sensitive 'off-axis' detector, Parkes was able to receive the TV pictures just as the lunar module's TV camera was switched on. Less than nine minutes later the Moon had risen into the field of view of the Parkes telescope's main detector. As Parkes was the largest telescope to receive television signals from the Moon, it captured more signal and produced better pictures than the receiver at Honeysuckle Creek near Canberra, which received some of the first ten minutes of the EVA. Therefore, Houston switched to Parkes and remained with those pictures for the rest of the 2½-hour broadcast. The weather remained bad at Parkes, with the telescope operating well outside safety limits for the entire duration of the EVA. Australian audiences witnessed the moon walk, and Armstrong's historic first step, 6.3 seconds before the rest of the world.The signals received by Parkes were sent to Sydney via specially installed microwave links. From there the TV signal was split. One signal went to the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) studios at Gore Hill for distribution to Australian television networks. The other went to Houston for inclusion in the international telecast, where a six second delay was introduced by NASA in case of an accident during the EVA. The international broadcast signal had to travel halfway around the world from Sydney to Houston via the INTELSAT geostationary communications satellite over the Pacific Ocean. This added a further 300 millisecond delay to the signal. Australian audiences therefore witnessed the EVA, and Armstrong's historic first step, 6.3 seconds before the rest of the world. CSIRO staff involved Unlike the fictitious portrayal in the film 'The Dish' there were many CSIRO staff involved, both at Parkes and elsewhere. Parkes staffer Neil 'Fox' Mason, who was seated at the control desk, guided the telescope without being allowed to turn around and see the incoming pictures on the TV monitor. It was essential for him to monitor the tracking of the telescope, in case the winds picked up again, threatening the signal reception. More information More details, including an extensive article on the support mission and video clips of the television broadcast, are available from On Eagle’s Wings: The Story of the Parkes Apollo 11 Support. http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps13j.html ......................................... So are you saying that has nasa now changed the Parkes story because of Neil's recent blunder ? Oops again !

* Double post .

"What is the point of discussing the last photo of yours if you're not willing to have a sensible discussion about the others? " Dave ...... For the simple reason that the other photos you posted as distraction tactics have NOTHING to do with the three photos I posted in high resolution , which show no tire tracks anywhere in the photo ... Not behind the buggy and not underneath the buggy between the front and rear tires . "I'm comfortable with my position and my position is well supported with evidence. Yours on the other hand is simply based on unsupported conjecture. " Lamson .... Your position is based on your bias concerning the Apollo Program and nasa , and not on any proper evidence ... There is absolutely no evidence of tire tracks in the three photos I posted ... Therefore your position is WRONG . On the other hand , my position is based on the EVIDENCE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH .... There are no tire tracks in the photos because there never were any tire tracks in these photos to begin with ... And the reason why there are no tracks is because the photos were STAGED ..... Kevin's and Dave's explanations as to why the photos don't show tire tracks are absurd .... Kevin claims they were either trampled over by bootprints or covered over by the astronots kicking up dust around the buggy ...and Dave claims they really are there because they can be seen in DIFFERENT photos ... I'm not sure what your claims are about these three photos because I don't remember you making any .... But then I don't pay much attention to your posts because of your constant insults directed to me ( calling me either ignornant , illerterate , or a crackpot ) so maybe I missed your 'evidence'. If you would like to post it again , I will pay more attention as to why you believe there are no tire tracks behind or underneath the buggy in these three photos .

Steve .... Oh but I do have critical thinking skills ... and those are what I use to determine that not only are the Apollo photos studio fakes but that the Apollo astronots are liars who are too dumb to get their stories straight . Speaking of them not getting their stories straight , did you know that the Parkes Observatory has a story about receiving the TV signal from the moon on the Apollo 11 mission that doesn't match that of the one who allegedly was the first one to walk on the moon ? Parkes claims that the only reason they were able to receive the TV pictures of the boys strolling on the moon during Apollo 11, was because Neil Armstrong luckily decided to forego their scheduled nap and go directly out onto the lunar surface . But Neil apparently didn't remember that story and changed it in his recent autobiography , by making the claim that even though he was anxious to get out onto the lunar surface , he wisely decided to take their scheduled two hours nap instead because they really needed it . Opppssss ... Talk about another nasa CLANGER !!! .... That one is a beaut !! ... Did Neil forget that the original Parkes story had him change plans and forego his nap ? ... Or maybe Neil didn't know that Parkes had already made up this different story about their EVA timeline ? Like I've always said .. if you want to expsose a lie , just go right to the source of that lie ... In this case , the liars themselves . Well, on this happy note I will leave you all to concoct some more lies on nasa's behalf ... It's been swell but I really do have more important things to do the rest of my day than spar with Bad Astronomy's brainwashed liars and fools . But I will be back with more lies from our Apollo 'heros' and more phony moon set photos containing anomalies that not even any of the game players here will be able to pretend to refute ..... Like bootprints covering up the imaginary , missing lunar buggy tire tracks .... Talk about beauts ! That one takes the cake !!!

The only ludricrous one here would be you lamson ... Being a professional photographer you should know that the Apollo photos are crude studio fakes ... Yet you continue to pretend that they were really taken on the moon . So what that makes you is either a CRACKPOT PHOTOGRAPHER or worse , a xxxx .... Or possibly both . Are you going to pretend to see tire tracks in the phony moon set photos too ? ... Or have you skipped trying to defend those silly looking photos because you know you can't ? .... Not without being made to look like the fools that Dave and Kevin are anyway .

Oh come Kevin , surley you can do better than this lame stuff . Radio signals have been bounced OFF of the moon long before nasa ever pretended to land men there .... Plus , there is no way to tell if a signal is coming FROM the moon or being bounced OFF of the moon .... So I guess that that little theory just went up in flames !

Do you mean your lame 'rebuttal' of the buggy tire tracks being covered up by bootprints ? ... No , I understand that perfectly ... Your reply to the phony trackless photos was just more nasa defender nonsense and you know it ... But if that's what you consider to be a reasonable explanation of why the tracks are not in those photos , then no wonder you believe the photos are real and that nasa really went to the moon !

Steve ... Listening in to the Apollo radio transmissions , which were heard when allegedly on their way to the moon , does not prove they were really on their way to the moon . None of the Apollo missions were visually tracked by anyone beyond LEO ... Not even Jodrell Bank, who had all the contracts to track all of nasa's missions before Apollo ( allegedly the most important ones ) did not track Apollo to the moon .. They were left out of the loop , without any good reason given by nasa ... And just because some ham operators picked up the staged conversations between Houston and the Apollo astronots , does not prove they ever landed on the moon either .

Steve ... If you refuse to see what is right before your eyes , then you are the one living in a fantasy ... You and the other nasa defenders who refuse to see the truth of nasa's fantasy of going to the moon . The photos have been proven to be fake by those who know ... and are not on nasa's payroll to lie for them , or blinded by their devotion to a lost cause . Your brainwashing on Bad Astronomy is what keeps you from seeing the truth ... Along with the rest of your clavius clone friends who post here ..

Of course you're not going to try to explain the missing tire tracks in the lunar buggy photos ... and the reason why you're not going to explain it is because you can't . ... That is unless you want to alter some more photos to back up your lies .

Jack .... Nothing nasa did concerning the Apollo Program made much sense ...and that's exactly why millions of people can see right through their scam . They made plenty of errors while pretending to land men on the moon ... The most glaring of all being the ridiculous moon set photographs . Did you know that in many foreign countries they teach in school that the Americans faked the moon landings ? ....How sad is that , that people in foreign countries are taught the truth about this and Americans are not ? No wonder nasa the Apollo astronots and now even this entire country is the laughing stock of the world ! None of the Apollo astronots can even get their stories straight about their stints on the way to the moon and while they were there . Alan Bean didn't remember seeing any flashes of light while traveling through the Van Allen belts but Gene Cernan did ... Then Al didn't remember hearing any rocket engine noise when he was landing the LM on the moon , but Gene remembered it as being very loud ... and these are only two small examples of how those nasa fly boys keep tripping themselves up over their moon story lies .

Nice try as usual lamson .... Blame me for nasa's photographic errors ... and then pretend that I'm a hypocrite for not admitting to being wrong when I'm NOT wrong . Then you post nonsense like this ... "What Dave did was stretch the shadow in the horizontal direction TO BRING THE SHADOWS SHAPE TO A MORE NORMAL SIZE, a size that was MASKED by the low viewing angle in the original photo." Now that is funny .... Tell me lamson .. During your winter down time with nothing to do , does nasa pay you by the hour , the post , or by the job ?

I have reposted the standard version because the high resolution version doesn't show the complete photo here ... This way everyone can click onto the larger picture and see for themselves that nasa forgot to put the tire tracks in this photo , among many showing the lunar buggys with no tracks .. I don't think even MID on the UM could talk sweet talk his way out of this one !

Then take another close look at this phony moon set photo .... It doesn't have any tire tracks in it either ... What the hell was nasa thinking posting these faked photos in high resolution on their Apollo Image Gallery for the whole world to see how fake they really are ? And what the hell are you thinking by attepting to defend these obviously faked photos ? You really do need a reality check Dave because your pro Apollo argument just keeps falling apart at the seams .... Especially with hoax evidence as obvious as this is . Can't even one of you lying nasa defenders even admit it when you are wrong about something ? ... Apparently not .

What would I accept as evidence of a track ??? .... How about a track ! Look at this high resoultion photo again ... There ARE NO TRACKS BEHIND THE REAR TIRES OR BETWEEN THE FRONT AND REAR TIRES ... and you wishing they were there or posting different photos , is not going to change the fact that they're not .

Dave ... I don't ALTER photos to disguise the anomalies , you do .... and if I wasn't interested in the truth , then I wouldn't be posting about how nasa faked the Apollo photography of alleged their manned missions to the moon .... That IS the truth , whether you choose to accept it or not . You tried to disguise the fact that the astronot's shadow is backwards and straight up by "stretching " the photo ... I have no idea how you did it , but you made the shadow conform to the position of the astronot , when it wasn't a match in the photo before you altered it .... That is being completely disingenuous . You also tried to disguise the anomalies in the three lunar buggy photos I posted by posting DIFFERENT photos ... Why do I have to keep repeating this to you ? ... It's obvious that you are the one with the reading and comprehension problem , not I .... and I am very tired of your games .

Sorry Kevin but if bootprints had covered up the tire tracks , the prints would still be there .... The fact that there are no tracks between the front and back tires is the real givaway ... and something which not even Dave can ALTER by stretching the image . Dave .... Even though you posted a DIFFERENT photo of the buggy , I still see no evidence of any tracks in the photo ... and even there were tracks , it is NOT the SAME photo , which clearly shows in high resolution that no tracks are in the photo and never were in the photo ... It's a staged , moon set photo and no amount of games or distration tactics is going to change that fact .

Stretching and bending shadows is to suit your purposes is dishonest .... Also posting DIFFERENT photos as distraction tactics to get away from the evidence of a clearly faked photo is dishonset also . But not enhancing the color or contrast to bring out certain details of the photo , no .. So of you're trying to drag Jack's studies into this , forget it ...because what he does is not the same thing that Dave does .... Jack tries to enhance the anomalies ... Dave tries to disguise them .

Completely up front with altering the photos ? .... Oh that is rich . Professional photographers , astronomers , physicists, scientists and regualar conspiracy researchers have somehow managed to have the courage to go up against the majority and mighty nasa , to expose their monumental lies about landing men on the moon , and you in your dishonesty , have the audacity to call them disingenuous ? People have been murdered for trying to expose the Apollo hoax ... and that reason alone is why most people , especially the professionals , have kept their mouths shut about this and their hoax evidence to themselves ..

Your ridiculous posts almost make my eyes bleed . The photos I posted clearly show that there are NO TIRE TRACKS behind the buggy ... You posted DIFFERENT photos as distraction tactics .. You also ALTERED the first photo I posted here by "stretching" it and bending the shadow to match the position of the astronot in that phony photo. Then you throw out the out the old "burden of proof" tactic about a different photo in hopes that it will distract even further from the issue here ... Which would be the clear evidence that the photos I posted could not possibly have been taken on the moon because if they had been , there would have been TIRE TRACKS BEHIND AND UNDERNEATH THE BUGGYS ! Showing a minute shadow change between two photos of a fake looking mountain backdrop does not equate to being proof that the Apollo photos were really taken on the moon . Why can't you just one time admit when you are wrong , instead of playing your typical games here ? .... By continuing this type of ridiculous 'rebuttal' , you not only look completely dishonest but also ruin your own credibility .

Steve .... Regardless of who's evidence you find more compelling , the bottom line still remains the same ... THE APOLLO PHOTOS ARE FAKE ! ... And this is even admitted to on web sites which are trying to convince everyone that nasa really did land men on the moon ... but just didn't want us to see the REAL APOLLO PHOTOS !

Nice try Kevin ... but I'm afraid this kind of silliness just won't fly this time with the three photos I posted on this thread .. Look at them again .... There are some bootprints in the photos but not that many and none completely covering the areas where the tire tracks should have been . Why can't you understand that that the Apollo photos are studio fakes ? .... Maybe because you believe it's your civic duty to lie for nasa also ?