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    THE PHONEY WORLD OF OSWALD ACCUSERS

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    HI ROBERT'; I REALIZE HOW YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE TWO MARGUERITES, LET ALONE TWO LHO'S I HAVE ADMITTED WHEN I FIRST CAME UPON JACK'S STUDIES I CERTAINLY HAD MY DOUBTS, BUT THE MORE I RESEARCHED AND CHECKED INTO SUCH, THERE REALLY WAS , IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION, OTHER THAN IF SOME OTHERS OUT THERE CAN EXPLAIN AND PROVE THE DIFFERENCES, NOT ONLY OF THE DIFFERENCES IN APPEARANCES, BUT ALSO IN HOW THEY COULD BOTH AT TIMES, BE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AT ONCE, THOUGH I HAVE READ OF MANY DOWNING JACK AND DISBELIEVING JOHN A'S WORK, THEY HAV OFFERED NOTHING ELSE IN REALITY IN THE WAY OF SUCH, I CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW ANYONE CAN BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE, THOUGH WITH LHO THERE HE IS IN THE MILITARY AND STATIONED IN DIFFERENT POSTS AT THE SAME TIMES AND ACCORDING TO MILITARY RECORDS..NOT WCS THANKS..TAKE CARE B :blink:

    Good summary of presentation by Ed Tatro

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    FBI FILES

    312 pages of FBI files dating from 1956 to 1966, covering Congressman Lyndon Johnson, Vice-President Lyndon Johnson, President Lyndon Johnson, and the Johnson Administration.

    Topics covered in the files include: Alleged voting irregularities in the Texas counties of Webb, Duval, Starr, Zapata and Jim Hogg. The Billy Sol Estes Affair. Billy Sol Estes was an associate and neighbor of Lyndon Johnson. Billy Sol Estes was convicted in 1962 of fraud against the federal government. Information covering the Johnson radio and television holdings. Allegations that Johnson demanded kickbacks from insurance salesman Don B. Reynolds after buying a policy from him. The alleged kickbacks included a $585 Magnavox stereo and $1,200 of advertising on a Johnson owned Austin televison station, KTBC. Details of a conversation between FBI director J. Edgar Hoover and President Johnson, about developments in the Kennedy Assassination investigation. A range of issues involving the protection of the president.

    Background checks on President Johnson Administration staff, including Pierre Salinger.

    http://www.paperlessarchives.com/lbjfbi.html

    Oswald's Russian Radio

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    jim been keeping my eyes open but all i have found was on a site, not much which you more than likely have already found..but ..for now take care...b

    The Commission staff and/or the FBI, which during 1964 had custody of Oswald's possessions on the list in Exhibit 2003, sent Oswald's portable receiver to the National Security Agency at Fort Meade for examination. On June 19, 1964, the agency solemnly reported in a letter signed by a general:

    The Russian "Tourist" portable radio was examined for cryptologic evidence. The radio appears to be a normal receiver and there is no evidence of its use for any other purpose.

    http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100wholho.html

    argosy magazine july 1975 cover

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    hi Dean; this came from the frog, i posted it as i thought others may be interested,i have never been 100% sure of whom is in the doorway from what is known in the documentation, lho did say he went out front with shelley, lovelady did say he was out front sitting on the step, i have in the past on rich's gone into both studies, but like i say. not positive of one nor tother, much like i find the tramps...arrrrgggh...nothing is in stone.... :blink::lol: take care there of all..thanks ..for now best b.. :)

    argosy magazine july 1975 cover

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    Anybody remember the Argosy Mag (July 1975) cover that purportedly shows LHO in the doorway of the book depository at the time JFK was shot??

    http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/bigstuff6439/EPSON003.jpg

    http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/bigstuff6439/EPSON004.jpg

    http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/bigstuff6439/EPSON005.jpg

    Clear photo of the Oswald double, who was not on the second floor.

    Frog

    Good summary of presentation by Ed Tatro

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    (betty windsor a good friend of madeleine's posted this information; in 2002 during a long thread , i shall say hastling and distorting madeleine's information somewhat B ), betty windsor.......thanks again betty...b

    Fri Jul-01-05 01:51 PMMember since May 30th 2002

    12 posts #32060, "RE: the madeleine brown story"

    In response to Reply # 7

    Have info on "5" people that were at "The Party".

    2 deceased, one died 2000, the other 2003.

    The 3 remaining have chosen NOT to be named at this

    time.

    Clint Sr. still traveled until his death, June 20,1969.

    Made frequent trips to Del Mar, Mexico and Dallas.

    Within days of his death, he went into Athens,

    3 times a Day.

    "The Party" was at the Keller Springs House, hosted

    by Clint Sr.

    1961 John D. and Clint Sr. traded houses. Clint Sr.

    and Ginny moved to the Audubon House in Dallas.

    The reason for the move: So Ginny would not have to

    drive so far for her Dallas activities.

    Clint Sr's office was on Mockinbird Lane in the mid 60's.

    This is also an interesting fact, Clint Sr. was treated for 13

    years by Dr. Ochsner and his clinic.

    Please "For God's Sake" give Madeleine Brown a Rest!!!!

    Betty

    Good summary of presentation by Ed Tatro

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    I finally found in a file, an article that was printed in the Figaro Magazine..

    ...though I have no date....

    It is an interview with Madeleine...she mentions about 50 years or so since

    she had met LBJ for the first time at the Adpolphus Hotel, I think this would

    make it around 96- 98..??

    I also have no idea, who typed it out for the web, so I cannot give them

    the credit for doing so..but thanks whomever...appreciated..

    JFK: Truth of a conspiracy

    Madeleine Brown is barely 23 when she falls for Lyndon Johnson’s

    charm. This Texan romance, filled with improvised meetings, unkept

    promises and quick but intense embrace, spanned more than two decades.

    But Madeleine was more than just one of the 36th president’s many

    conquests. In fact, on December 27, 1950, she gives birth to Steven:

    one more career secret for this ambitious politician. Johnson’s son

    died in 1990. Since, Madeleine Brown, liberated from her imposed

    discretion, decided to share her memories of her time spent with the

    president. Without anger or need for revenge, still deeply in love

    with her Lyndon but very aware of historical accuracy, she proves her

    relationship by presenting passionate love notes written by Johnson as

    well as the letter from a Texas lawyer confirming the continuing

    financial support for Steven’s education after Lyndon’s death.

    But a powerful man’s intimate portrait becomes a loaded

    testimonial when she refers to the relationship between LBJ and JFK

    and describes Johnson’s role in the November 1963 Kennedy

    Assassination.

    Madeleine Brown - It’s very moving for me to meet you here at the

    Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. It’s here that, about 50 years ago, I met

    Lyndon for the first time.

    Figaro Magazine - I imagine that this evening is forever engraved

    in you.

    MB - Oh yes I was 23 and still had my baby face. At the time I

    was working for the Glenn advertising agency a few steps away from the

    Adolphus. At the end of September 1948, Jesse Kallen, director of KTNC

    Radio in Austin, a close friend of Lyndon Johnson, invited me to a

    party given in honor of all those who had contributed to his electoral

    campaign. He was running for senator against Coke Stevenson.

    FM - It’s the ballot 13 election, right? The one that was rigged?

    MB - Yes that was the one. Ballot 13 gave Lyndon victory. It was

    rapidly noticed that even the dead had voted, but it was to late.

    Lyndon was already in Washington. It’s funny that Johnson made it to

    Washington thanks to election fraud.

    FM - So you met Lyndon that night for the first time?

    MB - Yes. When LBJ walked in the room it was so intense. He was

    so charismatic. The whole room gravitated towards him. I noticed him

    right away and I was seduced. He was a typical Texan-both feet on the

    ground, smiling, warm and terribly sexy. Jesse introduced us and I

    danced with Lyndon. It was so overwhelming to be in his arms. There

    was so much in the way we looked at each other. He invited me to

    another party at the Driskill Hotel in Austin.

    FM - Do you remember the date?

    MB - Of course. It was October 29, 1948. After two dances, he

    asked me to go up and wait for him in his suite. He met up with me an

    hour later and it’s that night that I became his mistress for the next

    21 years.

    FM - This illicit relationship with a married man must have been

    hard to deal with.

    MB - Our relationship was hidden, no one was to know. Jesse

    Kellan, one of the advertising firm’s clients, was our cover-up. At a

    moment’s notice, he would warn me of Lyndon’s arrival and of the hotel

    room number where I was to meet him. I waited there to share these

    short moments with the man I loved. I knew always that he would never

    be mine. But these moments are not only nostalgic - our meetings were

    essentially sexual. We both enjoyed it. He was a wonderful lover.

    FM - What was his reaction like when he found out that you were

    expecting a child?

    MB - He was worried. He was so terribly ambitious and wanted to

    accede to the country’s top position. He was afraid the Mafia or

    someone else would find out that he was the father of my child and

    that this would be used against him. He asked me to keep this a

    secret. Even my own parents could never find out. He promised me that

    he would give my child whatever he needed.

    FM - Steven was born on December 27, 1950. For 40 years you kept

    silent. Why do you choose to speak now?

    MB - Lyndon is no longer alive and I lost my son in 1990. The

    circumstances of his death, the rampant cancer, caused me to speak up.

    I had to talk of Dallas and the power of Texas on Washington politics.

    Lyndon was created by two millionaires from here, H.L.Hunt and Sid

    Murchinson.

    FM - You know them?

    MB - Yes. You know, in the 50’s and 60’s Dallas was a small city.

    You just had to be part of the right crowd. I was lucky enough to be

    at the right place at the right time. For example, I saw Hunt every

    morning. We parked our cars side by side in the lot.

    FM - What kind of man was he?

    MB - Sure of himself. He knew the power of money. He believed in

    Lyndon even if he was himself an ultraconservative. The funniest thing

    is that he didn’t look like a millionaire. People who didn’t know him

    thought he was this poor old man.

    FM - What did he think of Kennedy?

    MB - He hated him. After Lyndon’s defeat in 1960 at the

    democratic convention and the choice of JFK as candidate, he said that

    he had lost a battle but that he was going to win the war. A few days

    before JFK was to come to Dallas, Hunt put up posters against the

    president in his car. He was proud of that and was afraid of no one.

    FM - Did you also know Jack Ruby?

    MB - Like everyone else here. It was impossible not to know him.

    If you met him on the street and you didn’t know him, he would come up

    to you and give you his club card. Often after work we would meet

    friends there to play cards.

    FM - Did Hunt go to Ruby’s club?

    MB - Sometimes. Hunt was an avid poker player and Jack would set

    up these great games for him. At the time, Jack could organize

    anything as long as it was illegal. He was everywhere. He knew

    everyone in the Dallas Police Department. He too hated Kennedy.

    FM - Before November 22, 1963, did he speak of Kennedy’s visit to

    Dallas?

    MB - About 10 days before it was announced in the papers, Jack

    came to our table. He was proud to have a map of the President’s route

    through Dallas. All the while, we weren’t aware that Kennedy was even

    coming to Dallas. He was always the first to know everything.

    FM - What was your reaction when Ruby killed Oswald?

    MB - I thought right away that he was there because someone had

    asked him to and he had no choice but to do it.

    FM - Coming back to Lyndon Johnson. What was his reaction like

    when he was defeated in 1960?

    MB - He was so disappointed. He wanted so much to become

    president, not to mention that he hated the Kennedy’s with a passion.

    It was a terrible set back. Every time he spoke of John or of his

    brother Bobby it was with such vehemence, calling them Irish bastards

    and even worse! But honestly, the Kennedy’s made his life difficult

    and hated Lyndon just as much.

    FM - What was Lyndon like in 1963?

    MB - He was anxious, very worried. He was involved in all kinds

    of business and was convinced that Kennedy would not keep him on the

    presidential ticket in 1964. He was afraid everything would stop. I

    felt that every time we met, he could escape all that for a few hours.

    FM - You told me you saw Lyndon on November 21, 1963. Is that

    right?

    MB - Perfectly. It was a surprise. I was invited to a party at

    Murchison’s Dallas residence. The party was given in honor of Edgar

    Hoover, the FBI’s chief. Richard Nixon was there. John McCloy, a

    future member of the Warren Commission was there also. Lyndon arrived

    late. I didn’t even know he was there. He, Hunt and others immediately

    locked themselves in a room for a ten minute conference. When Lyndon

    came out he spotted me. He seemed so angry and had a dreadful look on

    his face. He came up to me and whispered: "After tomorrow, those damn

    Kennedy’s will never stand in my way again. That’s not a threat, it’s

    a promise". I’ve never forgotten that.

    FM - What was your reaction?

    MB - I didn’t really react. I couldn’t imagine that his words

    would ever ring true. Lyndon was extremely angry with JFK. It was just

    one more time. The next morning, four hours before the assassination,

    I spoke to Lyndon on the phone at the hotel where he stayed with

    Kennedy. He told me the same thing again and I told him we’d see each

    other again and I would make him forget whatever plagued him.

    FM - I hope you realize the impact of what you are implying.

    You’re implicating the vice-president in the crime of the century.

    MB - I don’t know if Lyndon was the instigator of this crime. It

    could be. All I know is what he told me on the 21st and repeated on

    the 22nd. About a month after, I had wanted to know for sure so I

    asked him if he was involved in the Kennedy murder. He got so angry

    that I regretted ever bringing it up. Then he told me (You know my

    friends - they killed him.) He was talking of those millionaires.

    FM - He didn’t say anything else?

    MB - No and I never brought it up again. But I would like to tell

    you this about Hunt. A few minutes after the assassination, he went to

    Washington to give Lyndon a hand. When he came back a little before

    Christmas, he was a totally different man. Like an incredible weight

    was lifted off his shoulders. One day, he told me, smiling, (We’ve won

    the war) I’m sure he was referring to Kennedy.

    End..

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