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    HARRY J. DEAN

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    ERNIE READ ""FROM AUTHOR'S NOTE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK, "" HIS MANUSCRIPT FOR HIS BOOK WAS SUBMITTED TO THE FBI IN JAN 2008, FOR PREPUBLICATION REVIEW, THE ONLY THAT THE FBI OBJECTED TO AND HE COMPLIED WITH WAS THAT HE COULD NOT NAME AGENTS BELOW THE LEVEL OF ASST.S.A I.C WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION OR WITHOUT SHOWING PROOF THAT THEY ARE DECEASED, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD, THE AGENTS, VIOLATED CRIMINAL LAWS AND THEIR OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, SO HE USED PSEUDONYMS, WHERE NEEDED... BUT THE REST INCLUDING THE QUOTED INFORMATION I POSTED ABOVE FROM PAGE 160 THAT YOU DOUBTED WAS THE ONLY OBJECTION FROM THE FBI MENTIONED ABOVE RE THE NOT NAMING AGENTS BELOW THE LEVEL OF ASAIC,WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THEM THE FBI FOR PREPUBLICATION REVIEW, THE FBI RULED ON THAT ABOUT THE AGENTS, NO OTHER OBJECTIONS,FROM THEM ARE MENTIONED, SO YES AS IT READS THEY MUST HAVE CLEARED IT FOR PUBLICATION AS IT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED..... :blink:

    BILL YES, ONE MORE TIME SWEARINGEN STATES ON PAGE 160, JAKE ""Does the FBI ALWAYS LIE ABOUT INFORMANTS ?" I EXPLAINED,( SWEARINGEN) YES, EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY IN COURT. OTHERWISE THE FBI WILL DENY THAT ANYONE IS AN INFORMANT FOR FEAR THAT OTHER INFORMANTS WILL BECOME SCARED THAT THEIR IDENTITY WILL BE REVEALED AND STOP GIVING INFORMATION TO THE FBI, THE FBI WILL LIE TO PROTECT AN INFORMANT EVEN IF IT MEANS INNOCENT MEN GO TO JAIL." I HAVE FINISHED THE BOOK BILL, I FOUND IT AN INTERESTING READ, AS FAR AS ANY MENTION OF ""FPCC in New York City the same week Oswald wrote to them?"" NO NOR ANY MENTION IN THE INDEX THAT I SEE.THERE IS VERY LITTLE ON THE FPFCC.BUT I WILL REREAD WHAT HERE IS.B

    HARRY J. DEAN

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    Bernice: what "lies" do you think the FBI told about their informants? How do you explain that informants who never testified in court were, nevertheless, acknowledged to be informants when the Bureau received inquiries about them? [i am of course referring to the period after they were discontinued as informants].

    Again, I feel like Alice In Wonderland. Do you want me to believe what I can see in dozens of actual FBI informant files (including many persons who never testified in court proceedings) or should I believe what you claim Swearingen wrote?

    Incidentally, in your judgment, was Swearingen in a position to know about Bureau-wide practices concerning informants? Or, do you think his knowledge was primarily limited to the Chicago field office?

    However, let's assume for sake of discussion that we take what Swearingen wrote as complete literal truth. Was he not referring to PUBLIC acknowledgements -- which might "scare" other informants?

    Obviously, that would not pertain to what I have been discussing here because I am referring to documentation in FBI files which was intended for internal use only -- not public disclosure.

    For example: many of my reports discuss information about FBI informants. The data I reveal has NEVER been previously known because it only existed in confidential memos that exist in FBI informant files and, often, I have been the first (and only) person to acquire those files. I have brought the attention of Birch Society officials to data which even they did not know about former FBI informants who later associated themselves with the JBS as speakers and writers!

    ERNIE IN M.WESLEY SWEARINGEN'S LATEST BOOK, PAGE 160, HE STATES; QUOTE "does the fbi always lie about Informants?? I EXPLAINED, YES, EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY IN COURT. OTHERWISE THE FBI WILL DENY THAT ANYONE IS AN INFORMANT FOR FEAR THAT OTHER INFORMANTS WILL BECOME SCARED THAT THEIR IDENTITY WILL BE REVEALED AND STOP GIVING INFORMATION TO THE FBI, THE FBI WILL LIE TO PROTECT AN INFORMANT EVEN IF IT MEANS INNOCENT MEN GO TO JAIL." B

    THAT WAS A QUICK NOTICE AND REPLY. :P WHAT I QUOTED PAGE 160 IS VERBATIM DO NOT TRY TO EVEN HINT OTHERWISE,EVER. QUOTE ERNIE or should I believe what you claim Swearingen wrote?

    I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO MR SWEARINGEN, I SHALL SEE THAT HE RECEIVES THEM,HE WAS IN THE FBI FOR 25 YEARS I KIND OF THINK HE JUST MIGHT KNOW A HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN YOU DO, THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENT COLLECTIONS.PLUS HIS MANUSCRIPT FOR HIS BOOK WAS SUBMITTED TO THE FBI IN JAN 2008, FOR PREPUBLICATION REVIEW, THE ONLY THAT THE FBI OBJECTED TO AND HE COMPLIED WITH WAS THAT HE COULD NOT NAME AGENTS BELOW THE LEVEL OF ASST.S.A I.C WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION OR WITHOUT SHOWING PROOF THAT THEY ARE DECEASED, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD, THE AGENTS, VIOLATED CRIMINAL LAWS AND THEIR OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, SO HE USED PSEUDONYMS, WHERE NEEDED... BUT THE REST INCLUDING THE QUOTED INFORMATION I POSTED ABOVE FROM PAGE 160 THAT YOU DOUBTED WAS CLEARED FOR PUBLICATION... :D .. THANKS... B EXCUSE CAPITALS THX THAT TIME OF DAY, WITH MY HANDS.. SORRY BOUT THAT..

    fotopic site

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    "He also had a great youtube video page hosted under the nick "Gambozia" YES HE HAS DONE SOME GREAT VIDEOS, RELEASING MUCH INFORMATION OUT TO ALL, THAT SOME MAY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO OTHERWISE ,FREELY SHARING IMO IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN, SO THAT THE RESEARCH CONTINUES TO CARRY ON.BUT STILL THERE ARE THOSE THAT SIT ON WHATEVER, THEIR OWN LITTLE PRIZE THINKING THEY ARE IMPORTANT AS THEY HAVE SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE DOES,AND THAT'S ALL THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING IS SITTING ON IT,AND DO..SHEESH... :blink:

    TA AND HOPE IT'S A GOOD UN. :) .B

    HARRY J. DEAN

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    ERNIE IN M.WESLEY SWEARINGEN'S LATEST BOOK, PAGE 160, HE STATES; QUOTE "does the fbi always lie about Informants?? I EXPLAINED, YES, EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY IN COURT. OTHERWISE THE FBI WILL DENY THAT ANYONE IS AN INFORMANT FOR FEAR THAT OTHER INFORMANTS WILL BECOME SCARED THAT THEIR IDENTITY WILL BE REVEALED AND STOP GIVING INFORMATION TO THE FBI, THE FBI WILL LIE TO PROTECT AN INFORMANT EVEN IF IT MEANS INNOCENT MEN GO TO JAIL." B

    Edward T. Haslam: Dr. Mary’s Monkey

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    Posted

    PETER ; QUTE "Speak now, or forever hold your opinion.'" HUH ?? NO WAY;;;WHO SAYS ?? PETER, I TAKE IT THIS IS ONLY YOUR OPINION, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, IT SURE AS HECK IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE NOR I DOUBT IS IT EVERYONE ELSES OPINION. ..

    YOU MUST BE KIDDING,AS NO ONE CAN TELL ANYONE THAT THEY MUST NOW SPEAK OR NEVER CAN, NO ONE CAN PULL THIS SORT OF CRAP AND GET AWAY WITH IT, RECALL FOS,FOR ALL AND EVERY MEMBER, THANK YOU..B

    :ph34r:

    fotopic site

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    hi robin, that was my word not his, i did see a few i thought i had not before on the site and also the cuban info appears to be more complete, but then again, i do not check on the photo sites with any regularity, nor all that often, so i could very well be off base you i imagine would know more so than i, take care b

    Hi B

    What was " UPDATED" on the site.

    ESCALANTE

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    David Josephs a question for you

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    CRAIG ""QUOTE""I'm more than happy to spend another 40 pages of the forums bandwidth battering you about the head until you are bloody with your own gross imcompetence and utter ignorance. I find it quite amusing to watch the late, great Cliff Varnell looking like a total fool.""

    MR.NASTY STRIKES AGAIN, AND HOW MANY UGLY PILLS DID YOU TAKE TODAY??? :blink:

    "No shots from sixth floor sniper's nest window" claim ...

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    SOME INFORMATION FROM ALLAN EAGLESHAM; FYI, http://www.manuscriptservice.com/SN/shots.htm

    “Robert Frazier’s tests of the rifle revealed that cartridges landed within a 47-inch circle, located at right angles to the ejection port, or 90 degrees from the line of sight, and at a distance of 80 inches from the ejection port [34]. After bouncing on the floor within this circle, momentum carried the cartridges from 8 inches up to 15 feet [35]. In view of the ranges in angle of ejection and in momentum from cartridge to cartridge, it is inconceivable that any three would have landed as observed by Tom Alyea. Captain Fritz may have compromised the putative crime scene because he did not want Alyea to record the unlikely cluster of cartridges.”

    34. 3H401.

    35. 3H402.

    A.

    Earl Cabell and the Disposal of JFK's Coffin

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/med_testimony/Lipsey_1-18-78/HSCA-Lipsey.htm

    Dr. DONALD THOMAS during his NID-2001 presentation, "Hear No Evil":

    The x-ray of the President's head taken at the autopsy revealed a metal fragment on the outside of the cranium located 10 cm dorsad of the occipital protuberance. The scalp wound in apposition to this piece of metal was described in the autopsy facing sheet (7 HSCA 253) as "ragged, slanting" with an arrow indicating an upward trajectory. Dr. RUSSELL FISHER, the chairman of the forensic pathology panel appointed by Attorney General RAMSEY CLARK to review the autopsy materials concluded that the piece of metal was, "...most likely a richochet fragment" (interview in Menninger pp. 64-66).

    I am not a forensic pathologist, but Dr. FISHER's expert diagnosis meshes well with the filmed evidence of the President's reaction, the accounts of the eyewitnesses, and explains the ragged nature of the scalp wound. Or, we may choose to rely on the HSCA Forensic Pathology panel's expertise on how this piece of metal came to be lodged on the outside of the President's skull. The Warren Commission's doctors elected not to report this piece of metal in their autopsy protocol. The forensic pathology panel met with the Chief Prosector, JAMES HUMES, and asked him about the fragment and scalp lesion. Transcripts of the panel's discussion elicited the following opinion from Dr. GEORGE LOQUVAM:

    COE: "The reason we are so interested in this, Dr. Humes, is because other pathologists have interpreted the..."

    LOQUVAM: "I don't think this belongs in the damn record."

    HUMES: "Well, it probably doesn't."

    LOQUVAM: "You guys are nuts. You guys are nuts writing this stuff. It doesn't belong in the damn record." (7HSCA255)

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    On July 25, 1964 former Carousel stripper Nancy Powell, aka Tammie True testified before the WC.

    She spoke of seeing a black hearse carrying the President leave Parkland Hospital.

    She wasn't alone on this Friday afternoon trip.

    She had a guy named Pete with her.

    15H418

    Mrs. POWELL. We didn't remain very long. We just stopped by there for a minute, and we left there and came downtown. No; we went to Parkland Hospital. We were there long enough, because we found he was in Parkland Hospital. And Pete and I went over to Parkland Hospital....

    15H420

    Mrs. POWELL. What I thought was his body. I mean, I didn't see in there, but I know it was a black hearse and the curtains were drawn, and they had a motorcade, so I know it must have been him.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you do?

    Mrs. POWELL Then I left.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you go?

    Mrs. POWELL. I went back to Fort Worth, because my grandmother was very, very fond of the President, and she was pretty old, and I knew she would be very upset.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you take your friend back with you?

    Mrs. POWELL. Yes.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his name?

    Mrs. POWELL. Pete.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his last name?

    Mrs. POWELL. If you hadn't asked me, I could have of told you. Devoire, D-e-v-o-i-r-e .

    Mr. GRIFFIN. You said he was from Tulsa?

    Mrs. POWELL. Yes.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. What does he do for a living?

    Mrs. POWELL. He is a bartender.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. What club was he working in?

    Mrs. POWELL. Well, he was working in Enid whenever he went to Mexico, and I don't know the name of it.

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    Dennis David has said many times. Navy Ambulance brings metal shipping casket!

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    THE BLACK HEARSE

    The black hearse is exactly what Bob Doran heard the reporter announcing on the radio as it pulled up to the opposite side the JFK casket would be loaded on. I am growing more positive that this is the casket that O'Connor saw after Dennis David and his crew brought it into the morgue well before Jackie Kennedy arrived. Here is some of what Bob has said in past correspondences ...

    " The "visual" image that I had developed in my brain of this radio report of the "Dead Secret Service Man," for some twenty-five years was exactly as I describe in this early posting. I had not even thought of this event, until about the late 1980s, when for the first time I saw a TV documentary on the Assassination. There, for the first time in twenty-five years, I saw the film coverage of the funeral home casket loading at Love Field.

    What I was seeing did not match the mental image that I had stored in my brain from hearing that original radio broadcast in Philadelphia at 3:15 PM, Nov. 22! I was preparing my box lunch to take to a local high school retraining program. I was twenty-six at the time, and I was enrolled in a Job Service (Federally funded) retraining program at a Technical School, in Fairless Hills, PA. I had to be there by 4:00 PM.

    When I first saw the historic film coverage, I couldn't accept what I was seeing. Everything was the wrong orientation! When I found that there was never a "Dead Secrete Service Man" event, I had become convince that the "lost" reporter was actually describing the loading of JFK's casket!

    But, it was on the wrong side of the aircraft! In my mind, I thought that the official JFK loading was on the right front of the aircraft, where the forward galley is located! I was shocked to see, for the first time, that it occurred at the aft galley door! I was very familiar with the Boeing 707 as I had worked with the original configuration aircraft, the Air Force version of the KC-135 aerial refueling tanker!

    Another anomaly, was the large number of vehicles and people around the JFK loading! In my "radio" mind. I could still see only one funeral hearse and four to six men dressed in black! That was when I decided that something was rotten in Denmark!

    Why would a local "radio reporter" make up such a broadcast that was put out on a national radio broadcasting network, as a breaking news event?

    But, there it is, a back hearse and a small number of men "struggling" with a "pink" colored "shipping casket" up a rollaway stairwell, at the right forward galley door! (Quotations are the exact wording that the reporter used.) He described that he was at Parkland Hospital when suddenly the LBJ caravan took off. He had gotten behind and became "lost" when he couldn't find the entrance to the tarmac at Love Field. He finally Air Force One, and he was "outside the fence" as he described what he saw. With 1960s technolgy, he would have had a "sound Man" with him, to patch his radio transmisson to the local station. They would have been using a radio phone set up, and someone had to handle this bulky operation, along with the reporter.

    Is it possible that the local radio reporter arrived before the Curry/LBJ group? He had been left behind at Parkland, but since he didn't enter the airport, he may have by accident, discovered the new location of Air Force One before the others?

    He may have actually seen the second casket being loaded before the JFK funeral caravan arrived? The Curry/LBJ people had a hard time in locating where the three Presidential aircraft had been moved to at Love Field. They weren't parked in the same place when JFK had landed at Love, earlier that morning.

    Soon after the Assassination, I dismissed the TV reports of a dead Secret Service agent, when it was revealed that none had been killed. I put the Dallas radio report out of my mind!

    It was another twenty-five plus years before I started my investigation into the Assassination. It was then that this radio report came back to haunt me! My "visual"

    memory of what I had stored in my brain, didn't fit the JFK casket loading! It was on the wrong side for one thing. It was another ten years before I posted my first recollection of the report on the then "new" JFKLancer forum! That's why this 2002 posting of mine is important.

    You may be absolutely correct about the TV report of a "Dead Secret Service Man" as being cover for the local radio report that accidentally went out on the national radio networks, as a "breaking news report" live from Dallas.

    The very last thing that the reporter said was, "Apparently, a Secret Service agent had been killed also," as to explain the anomaly that was describing live at 2:15 PM, Dallas time. This in itself wouldn't have started the TV report of a "Dead Secret Service Man," being report continuously for nearly the next three hours! A second report from this radio reporter, of the JFK funeral casket loading wouldn't have gone out on the air, as it was already being handled by those with the Curry/LBJ party.

    In 1993, at the thirty year anniversary, there was a release of all of the wire services new reports! I had a friend of mine, who worked for a major newspaper, check the AP wire services release, and he verified that at exactly 2:15 PM, the very first report of the "Dead Secret Service Man" report went on the wire service. Apparently, it came from the local Dallas radio reporters broadcast!

    I have never been able to verify this AP compilation release for the 30th Anniversary, in 1993. Perhaps someone on the forum may be able to find a copy of it. My newspaper friend said that it was many pages long, and apparently was never made available to the public!

    I do not believe that David Lifton knows or understands about this local live radio report, as he is thinking of the TV report! He probably doesn't know of origins of the TV release, which was probably orchestrated at a very high level of intelligence operation to cover this "accidental" sighting of the second casket loading. Bottom line, it was orchestrated right from the very beginning that they would steal the body from Dallas and perform a controlled autopsy at Walter Reed Hospital, in Washington. After all, John Edgar Hoover decreed it!" (end)

    Nancy Powell, witness at Parkland Hospital, WC testimony

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see President Johnson come out of the hospital?

    Mrs. POWELL. No; I didn't. I don't think he was seen, was he? Did they put him in a car with the curtains drawn? I know they kind of worried about him.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Was the entrance that you were standing by, the entrance that President Kennedy's body was taken into?

    Mrs. POWELL. No. See, I wasn't there when they took him in or anything, but I was standing here on this side. Now, this would be Harry Hines running north and south; right?

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.

    Mrs. POWELL. I was standing on the south side of the building, and I think the emergency is around here. There wasn't any way I could get close to the emergency, because it was just full of cars and people, so I came down here to Hines and pulled up over a curb and got upon the grass and parked down here. They brought the President from somewhere around here, because this is a curb and a street all through here like the front of this.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to have to stop you a minute, Nancy, because I want to make what you have been saying clear to the people that read the record.

    Mrs. POWELL. Okay.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me ask you at this point where you think the entrance was that you were looking at, the entrance that you were near?

    Mrs. POWELL. Right here.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. That is on the south side of the building?

    Mrs. POWELL. Yes, it is on the south side.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Also, you have drawn a line of some sort out of the north side of the building?

    Mrs. POWELL. Well, you told me to show you where I thought they brought him out.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. That is right. Now, would you make an arrow on that and then along the arrow that you have drawn, indicate the place from which you think President Kennedy's body was taken? Would you write something to the effect, "Place from which President Kennedy's body was taken"?

    Mrs. POWELL. But I didn't see it.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. But you have some idea. I am trying to get some idea in case you are not clear really on what entrance this is.

    Mrs. POWELL. I am clear on the entrance. I know it is the entrance on the south side, and I know that is where a lot of reporters and people were going in there.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. While you were standing there, at any time did you see Jack Ruby around?

    Mrs. POWELL. No. Do you want me to do this now? This is a curb.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. I think it is good enough to leave it the way it is, and I won't ask you to mark President Kennedy's route.

    Mrs. POWELL. I know where he came from, and it apparently must have been from here.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. The north side is what you are pointing to?

    Mrs. POWELL. I was standing here, and when they came out, they had him in a hearse.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. You saw the hearse come by?

    Mrs. POWELL. Yes. It came from around the end of the building like this, and they came down this way through here and down Harry Hines.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Mark some arrows on that line so that we know it is the route of the President.

    Mrs. POWELL. This is Harry Hines, and they went down this way.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me mark it for you so I will show you what I want. I am putting arrows along the route to indicate where it was, and I am going to mark this, "Route of President Kennedy's hearse."

    I am going to mark this piece of paper that we have been working with here as "Nancy Powell Deposition, July 25, 1964, Exhibit No. 1."

    How long did you remain out at Parkland Hospital?

    Mrs. POWELL. Till they brought his body by.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you do?

    Mrs. POWELL. What I thought was his body. I mean, I didn't see in there, but I know it was a black hearse and the curtains were drawn, and they had a motorcade, so I know it must have been him.

    Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you do?

    Mrs. POWELL Then I left.

    THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT AT LOVE FIELD

    The Secret Service agent who was guarding Air Force One at Love Field(Roger Warner) was pulled off his assignment there to go off and investigate a "suspect" who the Dallas Police

    were questioning. Why in the world would a Secret Service agent be pulled off his post at Love Field to get involved in a Dallas Police interrogation of an individual? And, it was at approximately the same time that Bob heard the radio report of the casket being loaded on to Air Force One. The Secret Service agent had to be out of the area while the shipping casket was being loaded on to Air Force One.

    How did they do it? They sent him on a wild goose chase by getting him involved with the questioning of Donald Wayne House.

    R.J.Smith

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    The shipping casket was taken aboard AF1 on the right front side of the aircraft. This is not that photo but shows, the site from that side.....

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    A SECRET SERVICEMAN AND A DALLAS POLICEMAN WERE SHOT TODAY SOME DISTANCE FROM WHERE PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED.

    The first Reuter newsflash to mention the dead Secret Service agent. This newsflash is timed at 2021 (that's 8.21pm GMT - 2.21pm CST).

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    David Lifton did deal to some extent in this work with the possibility that the body could have been brought back to Washington

    in another plane, but seemed to discount that possibility

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    As with its arrival at

    Bethesda in a black hearse, in a shipping casket, well prior to the arrival of the motorcade from Andrews supposedly carrying the body, with the body in a body bag, and in what appeared to be, at least in the case of the head and throat wounds, a totally different condition than when it was viewed at Parkland.

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    Air Force One bears tailfin no. 26000 and Air Force Two has 86970.... AF1 has blue trim, AF2 has red trim.

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    There were two WH photographers in Dallas that day, Cecil Stoughton and Tom Atkins…

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    Dear Mr. Morissette,

    Your question regarding a photograph was forwarded to my attention in the Audiovisual Archives of the John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library.

    I have not before seen the image that you attached from Corbis - it is not a part of the holdings here, as best as I can determine. It may be a part of the holdings of the Johnson Library, and you may wish to query them about this.

    There are images made from the front of Air Force One by Capt. Stoughton that document the President's body being borne on to Air Force One, and then Mrs. Kennedy and the rest of the group following. There are eleven b/w images in that series. That series is followed by the series of images that Capt. Stoughton made aboard Air Force One to document President Johnson swearing the Oath of Office.

    If I may be of other service, please do not hesitate to contact me.

    Sincerely,

    James B. Hill

    Audiovisual Archives

    John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library

    Columbia Point

    Boston, MA 02125-3398

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    The shipping casket would just as likely be seen being put aboard AF1 as aboard AF2. (According to Doran, that's just what happened, it was seen being put aboard AF1.) Likewise, it had to be taken off AF1 and therefore just as likely to be seen by someone. I believe Lifton wrote that a helicopter came alongside AF1 upon its arrival inDC and whisked away the body. The same thing could have been done with AF2, with the advantage that there wouldn't have been a bunch of people and TV cameras around when AF2 arrived, had it arrived earlier with the body. I don't know when AF2 in fact arrived, but it seems to me that's how it would have been planned. There also would have been no passengers to worry about on AF2.

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    In the NBC News "As it Happened" video, the reporters consistently referred to the body being helicoptered. They said it prior to and after AF1 landed at Andrews. A helicopter did land and taxied to the rear of AF1, where LBJ and and party got aboard after he made his "this is a sad time for all people" statement. The reporters, however, continued to say there was a helicopter at the other end of the airfield. If I recall, they also continued to say, even after the casket was put into the hearse, that a helicopter was going to transport the body...

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    According to Lifton AF2 passed AF1 in flight back to DC.

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    Wouldn't someone on AF2, such as the pilot, have known if the body or at least a shipping casket was on board? And in fact Col. Joe Sofet of AF2 told Lifton that the idea something was surreptitiously put on board was "bull." But what would one expect him to say? I might note that Joe Ayres, the chief steward of AF1, was "accidentally" shot to death a few years later.

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    Dr. Jenkins: "the wound with the exploded area of the scalp, as I interpreted it being exploded, I would interpret it being a wound of exit" (VI H p 151)

    "I really think part of the cerebellum, as I recognized it, was herniated from the wound." (VI H p 48)

    Dr. Baxter: "the right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table." (VI H p. 41)

    Dr. Perry: " I noted a large avulsive wound of the right parietal occipital area, in which both scalp and portions of skull were absent." (III H p. 372)

    Dr. McClelland also told JAMA on May 27, 1992 that, "the wound

    I observed did appear consistent with a shot from the front."

    (JAMA, May 27, 1992,v.267:2807 cited in "Trauma Room One by Cyril

    Wecht, Gary Aguilar, et al 2001, p 198)

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    26 doctors and nurses at Parkland and at least 5 people at Bethesda all placed the wound they observed in the same location...

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    From the ARRB depositions, this exchange (pp.26-30):

    Mr. Guinn: Dr. McClelland, where were you standing, first of all?

    Dr. McClelland: I was standing at the head of --Dr. Perry, as he said...So I was standing where I was looking down intently in the wound and really had nothing to do but that because I--it didn't take much attention to pull the retractor. And so I could clearly see what the wound looked like over a good period of time... And as I said in my testimony that this wound looked pretty much like everybody else has described it here. It was a very large wound and I would agree that it was at least seven or eight centimeters in diameter and was mostly really in the occipital part of the skull. And as I was looking at it, a fairly large portion of the cerebellum fell out of the skull...I mean, there was no doubt about it, and I was that far from it (indicating)...twelve to eighteen inches.

    Mr. Guinn: How long were you at the head of the table?

    Dr. McClelland: Oh, till they finished the tracheostomy. I don't know exactly how long that would be, but I guess, you know, it had to be a minimum of 5 minutes and probably somewhere between 5 and 10, but that's just a rough guess. But it was more than just a transient view of it. It was a concentrated view.

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    Aubrey Rike who assisted in placing JFK into the casket in Dallas said that when he placed his hand under JFK's head - there was nothing there. He said it was like holding a wet sponge - no skull bone was present for support.

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    Audrey Bell and Aubrey Rike in Harrison Livingstone's book,

    "High Treason 2." Nurse Bell did see the gaping hole in the back of JFK's head when a doctor showed it to her on page 317. Rike felt the emptiness of a hole in the back of JFK's head, when he placed his hand there.

    page 297.

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    In the MWKK series " Aubrey Rike describes the back of JFK's head when he placed his hand under it to help lift the body.

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    Audrey Bell's ARRB testimony.

    While at the table in trauma room one, she asked, "where's the wound?" DR. PERRY turned the President's head to the President's

    anatomical left so she could see a right rear posterior head wound, which she described as occipital in both her oral remarks, and in her drawings. (Audrey Bell ARRB Testimony, March 20, 1997 to Jeremy Gunn)..

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    Jenkins points out, back of the head wound to Perry, who in turn points it out to nurse Bell, Rike who felt it with his hand. The meticulous description of McClelland, who was at the head of the table and in a good position to view the wound.One more interesting witness. On p. 110 of JFK Conspiracy of Silence, Dr. Crenshaw, says at the time Kennedy's body was to be put into the casket:

    "Before I directed the body be moved, I turned down the sheet and took one long, last look at President Kennedy's head wound. I was the last doctor at Parkland to see it." Crenshaw was emphatic that the wound was occipital-parietal,and his drawing of location follows McClelland's closely.

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    Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, who jumped on the rear of the limousine, and got a close up look of the wound on the ride all the way to Parkland. Hill testified before the WC:

    Specter: "What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?"

    Hill: "The right rear portion of his head was missing."

    (WCH II p 141)

    Nurse Diana Bowron was one of the first emergency room personnel to arrive at the limo. She testified before the WC:

    Specter: "You saw the condition of his what?"

    Bowron: "The back of his head."

    Specter: "And what was that condition?"

    Bowron: "Well, it was very bad---you know."

    Specter: "How many holes did you see?"

    Bowron: "I just saw one large hole."

    (WCH VI p. 36)

    All consistent, from Dealey Plaza, to the parking lot of Parkland, to the trauma room of Parkland , to Bethesda, all of these medical personnel,and a secret service agent who had an observation of the wound that would be considered as very close, spread over thousands of miles,couldn't all be wrong......

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    Most if not all of the original

    testimony of those that saw the body of JFK before it left Parkland

    hospital is correct with respect to the size, location, and condition

    of the wound/wounds and the part of the brain that was exposed through the wound in the back, occipital-parietal regions to JFK's head and that those that saw the body when it first arrived at Bethesda merely saw a much larger wound that encompassed the one that was seen at Parkland. Therefore some of the extant autopsy photos and x-rays are either taken of a reconstruction of the head sometime during the autopys or embalming procedures OR were faked and farbicated after the fact or a combination of both. It matters little which is the case because both mean complicity of persons in the murder of JFK far beyond Oswald alone or Oswald and someone else working together in a simple conspiracy.

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    From Clint Hill, to the last, Robinson the mortician, both agreed the right-rear of Kennedy's head was blown off. What happened in the time between these sightings would appear to be the greatest crime, next to the assassination itself.

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    The WC deleted and classified Mrs. Kennedy's observance of the President's head wound from her WC testimony of June 5, 1964. (WCH vol V p 180).

    In 1972 in FOIA suit, her testimony was released, and what the WC didn't want the American public to read about JFk's head wound came to light.

    Mrs. Kennedy's WC testimony about her husband's head wound stated:

    Mrs. Kennedy: "I was trying to hold his hair on. But from the front there was nothing. I suppose there must have been, but from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on." ("The Killing Of A President," Robert Groden, p. 38)

    She was trying to hold the back of his head on..from the witness ( his wife) in the limo, sitting next to her husband,she was trying to put the rear of his head back together......trajedy..

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    Preparation of JFK for burial was done by

    Tom Robinson, who was an assistant for Gawler's Funeral Home,he

    had the task of preparing JFK for his casket. In an interview with

    Harrison Livingstone, he said the following:

    "A lot of scalp in the back was gone. We used a piece of rubber there, in the back."

    Livingstone: "Did you cover the missing area of scalp wilth a hairpiece?"

    Robinson: "No. We didn't have to. No one could see the hole on the pillow. No, no hairpiece was used. We didn't have to, because the part of the back of the head where scalp was missing was placed on the pillow, and no one could see it. There was a big hole in the pillow to take care of leakage, and that covered up the missing area."

    ("High Treason 2," Harrison Livingstone, p. 580)..

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    The break in the chain of evidence concerning the description of the rear head wound comes from the final autopsy draft:... after Humes has burned part of his original notes... Then follows by photographs and Xrays taken by those whom claim the existing images are not accurate and have been altered... To hide a large wound seen on 11/22/63, then the description of the rear head wound reverses back to the Dallas version when the body reaches J.F.K's mortician.

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    Humes writes that the large wound

    in the head was devoid of scalp and skull and extended somewhat into the occiptial region. When a descripition of the head wound is made that states the absense of scalp and skull, and also extends

    into the occiptial region, then certain autopsy photos and x-rays are negated that show the back of the head..

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    When the body bag was unzipped - O'Conner said there was nothing but an empty cavity. His job was to remove the brain, he knew what to expect. Siebert had said there was obvious surgery at the top of the skull... Perry was a genuius with the blade and this 3.5" gash was not the work of Dr. Perry.( Dr.Crenshaw to Dan Rather)..The trachea tube is inserted to fit snugly to prevent air from escaping. Perry said ... "I made an incision through the wound" to insert a tube and have the slit fit tightly back over the tube...So......there was a body switch and someone did remove the brain after the body left Parkland and before O'Conner opened the grey metal shipping casket long before Jacqueline showed up at Bethesda with the Bronze coffin.......

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    The Directive......

    Simply to destroy the scalp and skull in such a way

    as to eliminate any substantative evidence of a bullet entering

    from either the front or rear, and they succeeded.

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    The tears and fragments along with

    the disappearance of the Harper fragment it is reasoned that

    the tears represent the cutting of the scalp to gain access to the

    skull, similar to a regular autopsy procedure.

    The

    destruction of the skull on the top and right hand side of the head probably was made by the use of a

    hammer.....fitting Paul OConnor's description......to

    gain access to the cranial vault .....this is David Lifton's theory).... The pieces of skull that were brought to the autopsy room had been removed during the alteration and were an attempt to get Humes, Boswell, and Finck to agree on where the bullet entered and exited...Humes did state that it was only after these peices were brought to the autopsy room that they were able to finally determine the point of exit and entry. One was used to complete the entry wound in the occipital region of the skull. That is why the Harper fragment disappeared, because it had been determined by a competent pathologist that it was from the occiptial region. He being the only qualified person to ever see it.......There were 2 peices of skull from the occipital region and this of course was not acceptable.

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    Dennis David's statement that he and Bill Pitzer looking at the autopsy photos in Pitzer's office said they could only reach one conclusion , that the large hole in the rear of the head was an exit wound.

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    Bob Doran was listening to the radio when he heard a reporter describe a shipping casket being taken aboard of AF1. There was a period before leaving Parkland that this switch could and for all practical purposes did take place. That would certainly explain why not allowing Earl Rose to have the Bronze casket was of such importance. There was no need to take a spare shipping casket aboard AF1 either, unless it actually now contained the body that was going to end up at Bethesda 30 - 40 mintes before Jackie arrived with what she thought was her husbands casket.

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    The Third Decade," Vol. 6

    # 3, 1990, titled, "The Body Switch: A Parkland Scenario," by Jerry Rose. There is a description of how hospital administrator

    J.C. Price showed Secret Service agents a back exit to PARKLAND HOSPITAL.....

    (WCH 21 p.259) Price states that on two occasions, he showed this

    "tunnel exit" to agents. In the First, an unspecified agent asked if there were "another way that the President and Mrs. Kennedy could be taken out of the building." (WCH 21 p.259) Price showed the exit and, shortly thereafter, another agent asked for an alternate exit, this time for the departure of the Johnsons. (WCH 21 p 260) Secret Service agent Johns verified that he had contacted Price at the request of agent Youngblood. (WCH 18 p 775) After being shown this exit, Johns was surprised to find the Johnsons already gone when he returned.

    Jerry goes on to say that the "tunnel exit" was not used by President and Mrs. Kennedy (or at least Mrs. Kennedy), and that the

    "tunnel exit" may have been used to remove JFK's body for a clandestine trip to D.C.

    Could the tunnel,have been the exit taken by the shipping casket that Bob Doran heard on the radio, that was being loaded on to AF 1 on the afternoon of the 22nd...?

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    A brain could have been brought to the morgue after the body arrived......( Tippits ?)....see Doug Horne's work..

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    Where were

    the skull fragments found before they were brought to the morgue

    and exactly how did they get there. From the limo ?and returned from Dallas?. The limo, as with the body, was almost immedately removed from Dallas by the Federal government therefore any scenario of their discovery and transport to the autopsy room can be questioned.

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