Bernice Moore

B. you’re confusing me with Andy Walker. He told Peter in a PM (or e-mail) that multiple women complained about him. Peter who repeatedly insisted that private communications should not be posted without the author’s permission hypocritically post that PM on the DPF. Maggida and/or Jack repeated that info here. It was also Andy who received the retraction from the woman and posted it here. Peter also claimed to have received such a retraction. I think the retraction was made under duress (see above) While I agree his posts should be restored and his IP unblocked Peter should either remain banned or be allowed back under moderation. I lean towards the former but admit I’m biased. thank you len for the clarification, yes i was in error, as you say not you, then Andy...i shall go and make the corrections...b CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE....

PETER HAS SEEN THE THREAD AND HAS ASKED THAT THIS NOTE BE POSTED...THANKS... ''Unlike JSs inuendo, I never asked for my posts to be taken down, and have privately asked for them to be reinstated - not so much for me; but for history and the truth we all strive to achieve. It is like what was done in the USSR when someone had fallen from political 'grace' they'd be airbrushed out of the old photos. Don't airbrush/censor history of this forum and the history of JFK and many other important issues on which I posted....PLEASE! Peter Lemkin.

THANKS FOR THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. BARB....B

not to mention Tosh Plumlee... add a score more, who in frustration will simply decide that they have better things to do. We had a valuable and unique place here to share ideas. AGREED JOEL, AND MENTIONING TOSH, AND NOW PERHAPS HE HAS GONE AS HE DID STATE...HE WAS..I HAVE BEEN RECALLING ALL THE INFORMATION SHARED BETWEEN TOSH AND PETER, THAT HAD BEEN POSTED LIKE IN CONVERSATION, WITH EACH OTHER,THAT ONLY THEY SHARED, PLUS HIS KNOWLEDGE OF TOM WILSON'S IMPORTANT WORK AND HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTACT WITH TOM'S FAMILY, PLUS HIS INFORMATION POSTED RE WECHT MARRS SHAW, as well as others....ALL GONE DELIBERATELY DELETED WHY ??????! WHOMEVER DID SO DELETED HISTORY, THAT WE STRIVE SO HARD FOR, AND IS ALSO SO DIFFICULT TO COME BY...AND THAT UNLESS SAVED AND RETURNED TO THE FORUM IS LOST FOREVER, WHO DELETES HISTORY...??? NOW AS ANDY had posted in PETER'S long thread, the woman, and that was SINGLE not plural as ANDY had once posted BY MISTAKE, had sent him AN EMAIL THAT IT WAS ALL A MISUNDERSTANDING..NO EMAIL SEXUAL HARASSMENT EVER TOOK PLACE..NONE.EVER!!!!!!!!!!.....ANDY DID POST THAT INFORMATION BUT IT ALSO IS GONE NOW, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT POINT IS MADE VERY CLEAR SHE HAS TAKEN BACK ANY ACCUSATION SHE MADE AS A MISTAKE, AND SEEING THAT ANDY HAS CHOSEN NOT TO REPOST THAT INFO AS YET, I CHOOSE TO MAKE SURE IT HAS BEEN IN THIS THREAD....thanks b

THE JACK BRAZIL PHOTO BEHIND THE FENCE THE GARRISON AND PERHAPS MORE POSTED, I SCANNED FROM THE BOOK.''The Man on the Grassy Knoll'' SOME YEARS BACK, HERE IS THE PHOTO ALSO SAME SOURCE OF BRAZIL'S MAN WALKING OUT OF THE SEWER FROM WJERE HE BEGAN HIS JOURNEY THE NORTH DRAIN ENTRANCE........LEADING OUT TO THE TRINITY RIVER.... BTW THE BRAZIL EXPEDITION AND ALL WERE FILMED FOR LOCAL TV AS YOU WILL NOTE ABOVE IN THE STORY, AND PRESENTED ON THE LOCAL NEWS AT THE TIME... b excuse caps please.. ~ John R. Craig John R. Craig (Author) › (Author), Philip A. Rogers

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF JACK BRAZIL IS STILL ALIVE AND WHERE HE COULD BE CONTACTED...many thanks..b

my corrections on one did not either john...??? seems to be fine now it's tired TRYING TO POST THIS ..BELOW...B Jack Brazil & The Storm Sewer Systems : Dealey Plaza.. THIS INFORMATION IS THE COBINATION FROM TWO ARTICLES BY: Ray Evans..J.F.K Research, Texas..92-93 approximately.. He was born in New Orleans, La. and was placed into the boarding school system in 1941 from Bethlehem, St.Joseph’s, Infant Jesus, Fisher’s to Arbeaux’s till 1948. Lee Harvey and his two brothers, John Pic, and Robert Oswald were also in two of the boarding schools along with Jack and his brother Roy. Jack attended East Jefferson High School in N.Os (Metairie) La. As a junior in 1956, he was on the student council and participated in football and track, ran the anchor leg on his school’s gold medal championship 4AAAA mile relay team, and a leg on the gold medal 440 relay team with his brother as anchor, Jack also ran a leg on the silver medal 880 relay. In his senior year, he earned 24 scholarships to play football and run track. Selecting to attend the University of Florida, Gainesville in Fla. In 1956 while Jack was a junior at East Jefferson, Gordon Novel (Garrison-Deloreon-Watergate fame) was a senior. In 1968 the New Orleans grand jury subpoenaed Gordon Novel to testify in court regarding David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Arachia Smith as well as others. Novel leaving town immediately and D.A Jim Garrison could never extradite him from Columbus, Ohio. Morris Brownlee was in Gordon Novel’s graduating class (1956) and was also questioned by Garrison in the Kennedy probe; he was also the godson of David Ferrie. Ferrie dying shortly after he was indicted to appear before the N.Os Parish Grand Jury. Lawrence Solow also in the 57 graduating class , at the time of this information the 90’s was doing 25 years for bank robbery, was also questioned by Jim Garrison during his probe. Some researchers believe that Solow was the driver of the black limousine that was stopped in Ferris, Texas, ( a suburb of Dallas ) shortly after the assassination of J.F.K .Two high school students from Ferris High School witnessed this event seeing that there were three men in said limousine that had been stopped for speeding on Interstate 45, the driver presented Secret Service identification to the policeman and was allowed to leave without being ticketed.. In the 1959 graduating class of East Jefferson were Rancier Blaise Ehlinger and Billy Schremp, Ehlinger was also questioned by D.A.Garrison in the Kennedy probe, and was a partner of Gordon Novel in an electronics manufacturing firm. Billy Schremp was in Dallas at the time of the assassination. Brazil is the only person ( at this) to have questioned Schremp in the matter. Brazil graduated from East Jefferson with honors in 57 and then attended the Univ. of Florida at Gainesville in 58….There was also a freshman in Jack’s class by the name of Paul O’Connor, who was one of those on duty and received at the Bethesda morgue, the President’s body when it finally arrived the night of the assassination. The following year, Brazil played football for the University of Southwest Louisiana at Lafayette, leaving in 59….From 60 to 62, he was a military Policeman assigned to M.I. On the day of the assassination, of President Kennedy, Nov.22/63..Jack Brazil was in Chino Prison in California, doing time for burglary, forgery and safe cracking…He was serving, a 14 and 15 year sentence to run concurrently……It has been reported that Marvin Chauncey Holt was also in Chino Prison on the day of the assassination. Holt coming forward in 1991 claiming he was one of the tramps arrested in a RR side car, near the triple underpass shortly after the assignation. Jack Brazil was paroled, from Chino, on May 10.1965...…and disappeared from California, shortly afterwards.. Informants have claimed, they saw him in New Orleans with Novel, Solow, Brownlee, and Ehlinger in 1967.He did not surface again till the day Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated in Memphis, Tenn. Investigators have placed him in Memphis, the day before, the day of and the day after Dr.King’s death. Also reported as being in Los Angeles Cal. on the day of Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination.. Many researchers have stated that Brazil is a member of Western Intelligence located in Denver Co. with other locations in Memphis, New Orleans, Miami, St. Louis and Houston….Jack Brazil has denied these charges.. On February 22-23, 1992, a military type commando unit moved into the Dealey Plaza section of downtown Dallas, Texas, virtually unnoticed. The unit consisted of J.F.K researchers, one search and recovery team, Navy Seals, underground miners, intelligence officers, Special Forces members, and armed security guards. The unit was led by one Jack Brazil of Tyler, Texas. Their object was …… 1: To illustrate the fatal head shot that President J.F.Kennedy suffered originated from the right front instead of from the right rear, as originally and the W/C reported. 2: To establish that fact that the storm drain closest to the President measuring 48” x 40” x 38” could very well support or hide a would-be-assassin. 3: To escape Dealey Plaza via the underground drainage system. (Through the storm sewer, the storm drain, and the sanitary sewer, as all three systems are under Dealey Plaza. 4: To search for, and collect any material that would be associated with the assassination. Several Television affiliates, including CNN, aired the events. It was quite impressive. So, at 12.30 PM on Feb.22, 1992, exactly 339 months after the death of our President, a Firecracker was ignited from the storm sewer in Dealey Plaza. At that instant most of the spectators looked at the stockade fence. Some turned toward the TSBD, while others glanced over at the triple underpass. Not one bystander noticed the storm sewer. A possible assassin’s den to the right of front of President Kennedy.. As the report of the firecracker, the would-be-assassin began to crawl through the drainage system. Crawling 42 feet and reached a blockage consisting of bricks and debris. At this point it began to rain, so the ranger was retrieved before the water began to build up. The venture was postponed until the debris could be dislodged from the drainage system. The following morning the project resumed as planned. It took the ranger 4 minutes to crawl from the north side of Elm Street to the south side of Elm. It took 3 additional minutes to crawl from the north side of Main Street to the center of Main. The sewer system then changed direction ( west) and the remainder of the journey was easily accomplished. The ranger then traveled another 22 feet in the 24” system. The drainage system swelled, first to 30”, then to 39”. When the system reached Industrial Ave., it emptied into a 13 foot horseshoe. The ranger turned left and proceeded south nine hundred feet into a unction box. He veered right into a 9 foot drain, situated in a drainage that emptied into the Trinity River. This project was the result of 5 years of research connecting the black limousine that had been stopped by a police officer in Ferris, Texas and witnessed by two school students with the death of President Kennedy. The limousine was later confirmed to have been approximately 2, 440 feet from the motorcade at the time of the assassination. It is stated further that through years of research, the facts indicate that this limousine harbored the gunman and the escape route utilized, was through the storm sewer system. The team found a 44 Magnum, an ID card ( both were determined not to be related to the assassination ) a 10 inch switchblade knife with the inscriptions “ Rizzuto, Estileto, Milano”, and a portion of what appeared to be a sop-made silencer. Though the resuts were interesting, the conclusions were still pending. The ranger made the journey through the system in 54 minutes. In traffic, the limousine could travel from Industrial Road and Reunion to Interstate 45 in Ferris, Texas, in approximately 30 minutes. This would place the limo at a fixed point, leaving a grace period. A key factor in this enterprise was a statement by Senator Ralph Yarborough, a passenger in the Vice President’s car…..third in line in the motorcade…who said “ I smelled gunpowder”.. According to several math experts from East Texas, he states it would be impossible, for Senator Yarborough to smell gunpowder if the shots originated from the right rear, which was where the TSBD was locate. The smoke would also be impossible to derive from a nineteen-foot elevation , such as the stockade fence on the grassy knoll. It the wind was blowing at 13 mph due east, and the motorcade was traveling west, the on;y possible way the Senator could have smelled gunpowder would be for his open automobile to have driven directly through the gunsmoke. The opening today, (90’s) in the water inlet is 192 square inches. The opening in the water inlet in 1963 was 384 square inches. The reason for the reduction ( is the upgrading of the water inlet, to a smaller version, see photo ).. and the buildup of road material. Regardless of whether Jack Brazil is a good guy or a bad guy. The Brazil team in Tyler Texas, had traveled more miles, knocked on more doors, jumped on more airplanes, rented more cars, and uncovered as many facts as any research team pertaining to the assassination…

"The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <stahlp@ix.netcom.com> ]] The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK.............B http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58659498316845631#

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [[ posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk 11-22-96 by: Daeron <stahlp@ix.netcom.com> ]] "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------ The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'. The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for information every step of the way. There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who - through their investigations, research, released information - have shed light on the dark corners of this event/ The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques- the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his work seriously or at least tried to replicate it. He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery. However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head shot). This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in 1992, who found: a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade. the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23 minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making his way clear and free. The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime, with the perpetrators getting away scott free. After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the rear). His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake' material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there. Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes. i think A DEEPER DARKER TRUTH is the 6th part in the men WKK...http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/inde...Killed_Kennedy ..........B

INFORMATION FROM 2004 FROM DR,J.J.JOHN JOHNSON...b Just another coincidence that there is suspicion that a shot may have been fired from the sewer and that a diagram of the Dealey Plaza sewer system was found in an aprtment vacated by Sergio Arcacha Smith. Two days before the event, Rose Cheramie told State Police Lt. Fruge that the President would be assassinated. The men who threw Rose Cheramie out of a bar room and left her on a road where she was struck by a car were later identified by the bar owner Mac Manual as Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana, pimps who had hauled prostitutes from Florida to his place, actually Cuban exiles, and they were joined by a third man named John Paul Jennette. Smith had an office in the same building with Guy Banister and Lee Harvey Oswald at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. Lt. Fruge asked if the Assassinations Committee had found that diagrams of the sewer system in Dealey Plaza (from where gunmen were thought to have fired shots) were found in Sergio Smith's apartment, which had previously been rented by one of Jack Ruby's friends, a female bank teller. He thought Capt. Fritz might have mentioned this. John

YES PENN WENT DOWN INTO THEM MANY TIMES..SEE HIM AND JACK BRAZIL AS WELL BELOW..AND MR.MARSH AND PENN WITH ROBERT GRODEN...AND ONE OF GARRISONS MEN CLIMBING DOWN INTO THE NORTH SIDE ONE IN 67 AND BRAZIL INSHOOTING POSITION ON THE NORTH SIDE.. I HAVE BEEN GATHERING, TRYING TO ON THE SEWERS, DRAINS Of DEALEY WITHIN FOR SOME YEARS..i Have no reason really why ,BUT I DO THINK A SHOT FROM THOSE TWO AREAS SOUTH OR NORTH COULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.. somone once called me the SEWER lady lol on rich's forum as each time they came up for discussion, i was there like a shot... .AS FAR AS THE TUNNELS AS THEY ARE CALLED ARE CONCERNED UNDER DALLAS, THESE BELOW ARE ALL I HAVE..I DID AT ONE TIME MAKE CONTACT WITH A WOMAN WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY IN A TOURISTS BUILDING...ABOUT THE TUNNEL MAPS, etc..SHE DID GET BACK TO ME TELLING ME THEY DID HAVE A VERY OLD ONE ON FILE AN OLD MAP SHOWING THE AREA TUNNELS ETC CHANGES, I ASKED TO PURCHASE A COPY, MORE THAN WILLING TO PAY FOR ANY EXPENSES, THAT WAS IT AFTER SENDING SEVERAL MORE EMAILS AND RECEIVING NO FURTHER INFORMATION I FINALLY LET IT GO...BUT FROM A SITE THAT WAS ON THE WEB I DID GET THESE A FEW YEARS AGO, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT STILL EXISTS...EXCUSE CAPS PLEASE...b

I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT LEE HAS REFERRED TO THAT HE WAS TRYING TO RECALL......B Wed, 04 Jun 1997 15:42 Posted on alt.conspiracy.jfk By: ahimsa@altinet.net Early information. City workers had the sewer opened behind the tool shed today. It appears to be a standard sewer in that the round opening is the top of the bell. The sides are built with brick and had iron rungs for climbing down. The pipe at the bottom was covered with mud and debris but it appeared to be 12-15 feet deep and about 4 feet in diameter. Tom Bowden The Conspiracy Museum No link working now, not found.. ******* Some Information is found below at the Detroit Funk..link..re drain shot .. scroll down.. http://www.detroitfunk.com/2005/11/20-week/

JOHN JUDGE TO TREEFROG RE SEWER SHOT...b http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/sewerShot.html

jOHN I guess this is posted is in tosh's other thread, i believe i have in one of them, though i am not sure now, i have posted them so many times on the fs..in the past..it all does at times become somewhat of a muddle, as others some save and others do not... this shows where at one time back in 63 the south side sewer drain was placed approx.fwtaw..b

DEAN ; I have heard also from Peter he also stated he is cut off blocked.. it was suggested that he email john simkin, this is what he had to say about such...''I have written several emails to J.S., he is NOT answering'' as robert charles stated '' I do not know how this thing can be negotiated into a mutually agreeable resolution, but I do know that all parties had best make a good faith attempt to achieve same. The alternative is an unenviable one, in which barristers and solicitors with no personal skin in the game will be the only ones made happy, at the expense of those with the most skin in the game. Please, gentlemen, work this thing out, for your own sakes and that of the Forum that I fear will be sacrificed if you don’t.'' b..

thankyou Dean,this sketch was made by tosh i think 93ish he said...this along with all the others south knoll i believe I posted in Tosh's other thread for any wanting to know I have been lugging them around for years from one pc to another they come in useful at times when he's in town... the others are all ..re the shot from the south side sewer area.and south side....I just had a quick look i think they may be in this thread..i usually mark them Dean sometimes of course i slip,duh some i just know...stay well...btw send me what you have offered with thanks....i never refuse a photo... ...b

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your welcome cliff, i have such a difficult time on my lap or i should say my lap has with copying and enabling links now, that i pay close attention to them , though not by choice any longer..be well....b

CLIFF THE LINK TO YOUR SITE IS BROKEN...B

http://www.namebase.org/main3/Mark-Lane.html

http://crdl.usg.edu/people/l/lane_mark_1927/?Welcome mug shot...mark lane freedom rider arrested in jackson miss...photo below... and from 1966 in new york mark lane pointing out the dealey plaza area and one with with betrand russell b.

Videos in relation to Sabow...b......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBEFO6bMPPQ this darn link sorry just will not enable copy and paste in google...thanks... thank you tosh for all the further information much to read and listen to.take good care..best b..

Your wecme john...here again is the full cancellare if of any use....in your studies..b

thomas any chance this is it....b