Bernice Moore

Bernice, where it is circled is erroneous to me. To our left stand 2 men it seems. Also, there seems to be a man south and on the level of the top of the underpass. It's either a man or it's the top of the lamp pole. Kathy C PS KATHY THE CIRCLED INFO MEN ABOVE WAS DONE BY TOSH SOME YEARS AGO IN THE CROP OF THE CANCELLARE SO THERE YOU GO WHAT DO I KNOW NADA...B KATHY THE CIRCLED WHATEVER ARE NOT OF MY DOING TO ME IN FACT I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A LIMB I AM POSTING SOME OF WHAT HAS BEEN GATHERED DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS HOPEFULLY SOME MAY BRING FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT AS IT MAY POSSIBLY JAR SOME PEOPLES MEMORIES...AND PERK UP OTHERS THINKING CAPS..TO STEP IN WITH THEIR INFORMATION..SO MUCH HAS BEEN LOST OVER THE YEARS AS WEB SITES FALTERED OTHERS BOUGHT UP AND THE WORK DISAPPEARED SOME DELIBERATELY IMO...SO I TRIED TO GATHER AS MUCH AS I COULD RE THIS INFO HOPING SOME DAY IT MAY HELP BRING SOMETHING TO LIGHT ALONG WITH THE VERY THOROUGH AND GOOD WORK OF DOUG AND ALSO TOSH'S WHO HAS TRIED MANY TIMES TO GET HIS OUT FOR ALL.SO SAVE WHAT YOU CAN,IF INTERESTED EVENTUALLY IT IS GONE AND NEVER SEEN AGAIN THIS AREA HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO ME ONE OF SUCH... .B

THANKS KATHY...''Note: Each time this south knoll information comes up; the thread is turned back to the "Badgeman" and other north side of Plaza matters and those theories and doctored photos. Why is it so important not to really look into that area of the south side? Each time that area is brought up it is past by or diverted into something else not related. It was the same in 1964, and again in 1974, and again in 1978, 81, 91, and now 2006. It was the same with the FBI, Secret Service, Congressional and Senate investigators of many years ago. It seems to be very important to focus on the North side and by pass the South. Why? Is it perhaps that is the area that best confirms the fake story played by the government of where the shooters or assassins really were? Also note. I have put out a lot of information these past few years and months; most of it backed up with documentation and preponderance of evidence. None of that information is addressed directly. Each time it is moved away from and something else is put in place to investigate. What really happens is I get investigated and threated by federal sources, including IRS. I find this strange if we say we are truly looking at all available information in reference to who shot Kennedy. If we say we want the truth-- then should we not really look into this south area with a fine tooth comb?'' Tosh, MANY THANKS MANY FOR STEPPING BACK IN..I THINK MANY APPRECIATE YOU DOING SO FOR THE SAKE OF THE RESEARCH AGAIN TAKE CARE..B B

Bernice: I agree about Tosh I just do not want to lose focus on the thread I have going. That is why I opened a new thread to begin with. Plumlee is extremely important! I hope he will watch the you-tube presentation and see what a sniper would have viewed from the south side of the underpass with my video. I do want to get the questions I addressed in my long posting and I believe the dialog and responses will be important. Take care, Doug Bernice...Threads are ALL MUCKED UP on purpose by certain persons who are here not to enlighten but to obfuscate. I name no names. By their fruits ye shall know them. Jack YES JACK I KNOW OF THE MUCKERS CLUB AND THEIR ROTTEN FRUIT...THANKS KATHY FOR GOING TO THE TROUBLE Of ARRANGING A SEPARATE THREAD IMO THAT'S GREAT SO As the separate but similar in some areas of information can be perused.to see what gels and comes together.....b again excuse caps many thanks...

Bernice...that is CROFT, not Couch. IT IS SO ....DUH THANKS JACK...B

I must agree, your information re the south side shot imo is entirely a different subject in it's own in the area of tosh and his observations in being there that day etc.but are ..two separate fields but similar and relating to each other in a very important way... and we need it to come together but not if tosh leaves though he has always been very open and wanting such looked into and released so it could have been time for the researchers to have had both side in otherwards but not if his bag has been packed, imo tosh i cannot understand your doing so, in the past i have broken a thread with other info and have been asked the same to start a new thread, and have done so, so have many others so you could also. it's no big deal....if you do want all out there so it can possibley be worked on and connected..sorry to repeat myself but this kind of thing cheeses me off and it shows as a rule...take care all i shall too...best b.. a couple of others b..the second one if from tosh's approximate area...of view ...

imo doug and all that would be a great source if we could have threads of both tosh's info of a south side of elm thread and this one to continue..there has been much information being released and offered by doug in this thread am i now surprised it has been halted to some degree..no not in the least it really was going too well, seems that happens not faultng anyone but that does seem to happen often...please continue tosh if possible.and if you do want your information out there if not it cannot be looked into any further can it..??.tosh thanks for your information it is always of great interest to many others....why pack up your bags so quickly AND LEAVE STAY AND stART A NEW THREAD COPY AND PASTE all YOUR INFO AND TEACH THOSE WHO DO WANT TO ACCESS SUCH, or let them down, your call..best b..please excuse the caps and muddled typing..txs

there is an older thread the unknown witness where lee forman did some work on mudd you may be interested, he has him showing in couch.. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...;hl=mudd+forman b

Gary Mack needs to remember that without JFK there would be no JFK Act. Mind you, given what Doug Horne is saying, Gary probably wishes there were no JFK Act.nor would he have his job at the tsbm... b

CHRIS HERE IS THE NIX PERGOLAMAN.FWIW.I HAVE NOT FOUND THE THREAD SO FAR...EXCUSE CAPS THANKS THAT TIME OF NIGHT.IN NIX HE'S PERHAPS ON HIS WAY IN YOUR BELL HE'S THERE.....BEST B

thanks chris appreciated i almost mentioned your name again but thought i should not too often for all that comes up, but i shall now will mark it...it appears there may have been something serious to that old pergolman research, that thread may still be on here, i shall have a look many thanks again...b

I have been off the web since last friday, in trying to play catch up,and going through files, i have found this copy of a bell frame..david you poise some good thoughts why there is so little known and the why of charles actions that day all in relation to the zapruder film being taken , that immediate area also including in relation to the little known marilyn sitzman from the researchers the investigations and so on..one wonders why...jack this frame copy from bell i have found reminds me of the pergolaman in some ways...i must say i do not know where it came from sorry bout that if anyone recognizes it as their work please step up...whatever or whomever it is,or if anything...please have a go all,with your thoughts.someone is already in the pergola awaiting the others it would appear...if.....thanks b...

Sitzman's handbag is hanging on her arm. Jack

PERHAPS BECAUSE MARY SAID SHE WAS IN THE STREET BUT SHE WAS ONLY THERE ONLY TOOK THE PHOTO AND DID NOT STATE THIS JUST THE ONCE, BUT ACCORDING TO SOME WHAT SHE RECALLED DOES NOT COUNT...AND NEVER DID NOR HAS..I CALL THAT .DUH...b excuse caps please..

thanks robin another good clear frame, i agree marilyn sitzman's actions as seen within the films taken after do not coincide with what she stated she had done ..no matter how some may want to twist it, that simply no longer works...take care b thanks chris for showing up very appreciated to try to make sense within all this...best b..

thanks robin great clear Murray...problem another with Marilyn in her info nowhere ever have i come across her mentioning that she ever dropped by the first pergola...she says the two men followed her back to the office and she was scared she also says i believe she thought when she first spoke to them after running down the knoll and talking to them on the south side, that they were fbi....b ps todd yes it is the bell...ta

Perhaps i could add the FEINMAN REPORT TO MOCKINGBIRD...thanks..b

THE POSNER REPORT: A Study In Propaganda: One Hundred Errors in Gerald Posner's Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK by David Starks Copyright 1997, Imagi-Vision, Inc. http://www.assassinationweb.com/ecc.htm b

JACK POINT IT OUT WHICH AND I WILL SEE IF MARKED TA..B

jack here are two threads of chris davidsons the first may have the info i have not checked all the way through as yet but for now worth a look, b... wiegman in progress http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9116 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9277

Harry Holmes (looking through binoculars from the fifth floor of the Terminal Annex building, on the other side of Dealey Plaza, two blocks south of Elm Street), April 2, 1964: “I saw many people down on the ground, and I have one particular couple in mind hat I had watched on a bench, sitting on a park bench that the man had this woman down. I remember my impression at the time that he was trying to take a gun away from her, or something, and by that time I decided maybe there was a gun involved in it instead of firecrackers. He had her down on the ground. But then it later developed that he was trying to protect her from the shots. But then I didn’t know that at the time. And I did watch her as they got up.” [Warren Commission testimony: 7H291] b

ps the gifs are chris' that are posted...b

hi jack , well it was dixie that brought this thread back to life so i know she is interested . and really i have been watching for info on them for years and picking up what bits and typing out from books etc i have read or whatever wee gems may appear on the sites, because of the connection to marilyn that day and the peggy burney info to the contrary that she was with zapruder and filmed from the street......but there is very little there not much and only in the Livingstone book was anything new that came out in ages of which i was grateful if it is not out there or is known by say the dallas people and is not released for others by them then it is that continuing brick wall..i mention at times....many thanks for your input this thread turned out to be informative and a saver...best b..if i have doubled with any photos below that have been posted so far i will check and delete to save resources...take care all best ..two did not take so you must open them... Thanks, Bernice, for the Hester stuff. See attachment with questions. A little progress. I still think that WiegHester and ZapHesters are not the same couples, based on the dress Beatrice is wearing. Jack PS. I need to clarify "where is her husband?" by comparing this image to others. Obviously there is a black shape that is supposed to be him. I intended to rework that sentence. jack contact chris davidson seems to me that he did research on the black shape with some and came to the conclusion it was wiegman himself look in that direction the thread may be here on the f but is so i have no idea the title perhaps he will come along or and will find it...best b.. is this any help bell...

hi jack , well it was dixie that brought this thread back to life so i know she is interested . and really i have been watching for info on them for years and picking up what bits and typing out from books etc i have read or whatever wee gems may appear on the sites, because of the connection to marilyn that day and the peggy burney info to the contrary that she was with zapruder and filmed from the street......but there is very little there not much and only in the Livingstone book was anything new that came out in ages of which i was grateful if it is not out there or is known by say the dallas people and is not released for others by them then it is that continuing brick wall..i mention at times....many thanks for your input this thread turned out to be informative and a saver...best b..if i have doubled with any photos below that have been posted so far i will check and delete to save resources...take care all best ..two did not take so you must open them...

yes jack charles died in 67 from a heart attack post #32 when two researchers one Jaynes went to the town where she had moved to after remarrying they could not find her...that is about all i have other than the earlier info i posted...I think the 5'10" for Marilyn came from me from rich's in a post going by the info that beverly had told me...I am still looking for that to be sure of what exactly she said but the i think she said her height was 5.'8" and she always wore the highest of heels at least two inches then she mentioned seeing marilyn eye to eye when they met so that would make her approx 5'10 " well both of them .but it also appears in the photo i posted that marilyn has sandals on flats and bev did tell me she had on very high heels...which would then make her taller than bev if bev had not had the high heels on..2 inches taller possibly....for now..FWIW b..

thanks John i recall that thread conversation i have i believe yours a photo showing what you thought could be possible shot lines coming at the limo..from that specific area......it was always a possible site for a shooter...with quick access to a get away vehicle..and dpd pouring up behind into the area the motorcylists re sitzman i believe as well as zapruder definetly mentioned...and Bowers mentioning also how many dpd were there so quickly after...thanks b..